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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:38 PM Dec 2013

Hello there, DU! Ready for today’s art quiz? It’s “Another Back Story Challenge!”

Can you figure out the back story, some recent, connected with each one of these art treasures?

And please remember...cheating is not OK...

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Hello there, DU! Ready for today’s art quiz? It’s “Another Back Story Challenge!” (Original Post) CTyankee Dec 2013 OP
Damn. Another quiz that I am stumped by, panader0 Dec 2013 #1
Thank YOU! They are fun for me to put together! CTyankee Dec 2013 #2
Not me. I am never stumped. grantcart Dec 2013 #33
great answer! You have a good soul... CTyankee Dec 2013 #48
Don't know a single one, but I love to see them. broiles Dec 2013 #3
#3 - "Red Door District" by that Dutch Guy jberryhill Dec 2013 #4
Well, actually, I had a more recent example than that...altho you get points for that bit of history CTyankee Dec 2013 #5
I absolutely love this one Samantha Dec 2013 #56
I've seen #5 before, I think. longship Dec 2013 #6
Well, you might have. Do you go to art museums? CTyankee Dec 2013 #7
Been to DIA in Detroit, the Met, Frick, MOMA in NYC, the Huntington in CA. longship Dec 2013 #12
Wow! You are traveled, artwise! CTyankee Dec 2013 #16
Nope. The ones I mentioned are the ones I've been to. longship Dec 2013 #21
Fabulous! CTyankee Dec 2013 #24
Never been there. :( nt longship Dec 2013 #27
#1: Gustave Courbet, "Village Girl with Goat" pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #8
It is an interesting story...this guy Gurlitt was a real character...actually, I had read that CTyankee Dec 2013 #10
I just come here for the pretty pictures. Thank you. Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #9
More than pretty they are important and moving...I truly believe that art ennobles us... CTyankee Dec 2013 #11
I keeed I keeed! One of my favorite pastimes is going to museums and galleries.... Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #13
She LIKES museums? Wow, I am impressed. You raised her well! CTyankee Dec 2013 #17
She's 23 now and she loves them... Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #28
I don't blame her for feeling that way about the Mona Lisa... CTyankee Dec 2013 #41
Winged Victory is one of my favorites. It graced the cover of Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #54
#6: White House Mantel Clock with figure of Minerva by Thomire & Co., c. 1817 pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #14
Not recent. But how was it discovered? CTyankee Dec 2013 #15
President Monroe sent agents to France to replace furnishings destroyed by the British pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #32
Great history! You are leaving out one great discovery of this fabulous piece! CTyankee Dec 2013 #35
There you go again... pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #39
Yep. I am bad. CTyankee Dec 2013 #43
Okay, I'm stumped on that rediscovery pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #81
not the clock itself but the Bellange piertable. CTyankee Dec 2013 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #18
Beat me to it, although I would include all of the endless porn threads. Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #20
I think it's a Femen support painting and men might enjoy it so it's bad. The end. stevenleser Dec 2013 #22
I'm not sure what you are talking about...please explain more... CTyankee Dec 2013 #26
Sorry, private joke between me and Warren. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #30
trashing feminists is a full time job BainsBane Dec 2013 #60
Well, the Challenge is no place for it (not that any place is). CTyankee Dec 2013 #71
I agree, that's why we didn't do that. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #88
why are you keeping this up? CTyankee Dec 2013 #89
I'm guessing you dont really want me to respond, right? nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #99
You must be talking about what you do when you attack Femen. I agree, you should let up on it. nt stevenleser Dec 2013 #87
It's incredibly rude of you to disrupt this thread BainsBane Dec 2013 #94
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #100
No, not at all. CTyankee Dec 2013 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #25
well, the title belies that idea. But really, I'm so used to this mild nudity in art that this just CTyankee Dec 2013 #31
I remember seeing that at the train station gallery in Paris in my 20s and... aikoaiko Dec 2013 #78
If I did post that, I'd prolly get banned from DU forever... CTyankee Dec 2013 #84
No you wouldn't BainsBane Dec 2013 #97
Well, did you take a look at it? CTyankee Dec 2013 #102
Oh, yes BainsBane Dec 2013 #103
Courbet was clearly in love with Joanna when he did that. CTyankee Dec 2013 #105
I find the issue of the face interesting BainsBane Dec 2013 #106
No, I think he didn't want Whistler to know it was her. He did other nice work of her face. CTyankee Dec 2013 #109
Oh, so he himself displayed it without the face? BainsBane Dec 2013 #110
No, she modeled for him in other paintings...sorry, I didn't mean to be confusing... CTyankee Dec 2013 #111
but if you search google images BainsBane Dec 2013 #112
Really? I didn't know that...thanks...I'll do a search... CTyankee Dec 2013 #113
I see Franz Hals! elleng Dec 2013 #29
Not Hals but pretty close...just not the Netherlands in this case... CTyankee Dec 2013 #36
Will do so. elleng Dec 2013 #38
I wish the best for your daughter and the baby...what a tense time it must be for you! CTyankee Dec 2013 #42
Thanks, I'm fine. elleng Dec 2013 #44
good for you! I hope you'll post some of your photographs here! CTyankee Dec 2013 #46
I've posted a bunch in 'Photography' here, yank. elleng Dec 2013 #47
will do! CTyankee Dec 2013 #50
#4. 11 yr old Charles Gitnick wows Miami Art Basel with gun art. longship Dec 2013 #34
I absolutely love this story! Isn't he fabulous? His art is inspired and wonderful. CTyankee Dec 2013 #37
It is pretty damned good. longship Dec 2013 #40
He has a real aesthetic sense. Perhaps that is because he has a cultural advantage, but maybe CTyankee Dec 2013 #45
I am very happy that I could contribute this week. longship Dec 2013 #49
Hey, we all need something! CTyankee Dec 2013 #51
I really like that one BainsBane Dec 2013 #61
Is one Carravaggio? kentuck Dec 2013 #52
Do you mean #5? CTyankee Dec 2013 #53
#2: Fragonard Portrait of François-Henri d'Harcourt sells for $28 million For UNICEF pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #55
#5: Gerrit van Honthorst masterpiece seized by Nazis sells for record $3.4m pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #57
I was in that museum in Montreal in October. They had given "The Duet," spoilated from the Jewish CTyankee Dec 2013 #69
There's definitely a Dutch guy in there BainsBane Dec 2013 #58
I'll bet it's that renowned Dutch Master... pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #59
Oh yeah, it's a Dutch guy. #3 Iterate Dec 2013 #62
Nice call! pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #66
Brick by brick Iterate Dec 2013 #80
Could this be the back story? countryjake Dec 2013 #68
It is probably one of many back stories on this exquisite work! CTyankee Dec 2013 #72
I did find a cute little children's book... countryjake Dec 2013 #73
I have to get that book for my grandson! CTyankee Dec 2013 #74
Interesting article Iterate Dec 2013 #77
Number 5 is definitely by Bob Ross. edbermac Dec 2013 #63
Nobody's got #3 yet? longship Dec 2013 #64
Iterate got it as a Vermeer in #62 pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #65
Got it. It takes some time to enter a post from an iPhone. longship Dec 2013 #67
To get what I am driving at, consider this work as an inspiration for another famous piece just CTyankee Dec 2013 #70
#3 "The Little Street" backstories Iterate Dec 2013 #75
Yes! That's what I was driving at. CTyankee Dec 2013 #76
Clearly, he must have been. Iterate Dec 2013 #79
Is Rockwell condemning Vermeer or his own American iconography? CTyankee Dec 2013 #82
Well, one figure serenely attempts art and the other struggles with a tax deadline Iterate Dec 2013 #85
What I get out of it is order vs disorder Benton D Struckcheon Dec 2013 #86
I see what you mean! He is drawing a parallel between the tidiness of the Dutch street with CTyankee Dec 2013 #90
Actually I was commenting on the 2nd set of paintings, Benton D Struckcheon Dec 2013 #93
the more I read about art the more I see one artist copying another... CTyankee Dec 2013 #96
Very interesting parallel there too, Benton D Struckcheon Dec 2013 #114
Yep. I didn't make it up...I read it somewhere... CTyankee Dec 2013 #115
Ha! I'll take your word for it. You definitely know your stuff. n/t Benton D Struckcheon Dec 2013 #116
I didn't know that little factoid until about a month ago when I saw that painting CTyankee Dec 2013 #117
I'm going to venture a guess, that these are pieces from the recently discovered collection of... DrewFlorida Dec 2013 #91
See post #8 by Pinboy. You are right! CTyankee Dec 2013 #92
I stumbled upon this, and found it very interesting, thank you. DrewFlorida Dec 2013 #95
glad to have you here! We're a merry little band of art lovers (usually...we do get a few CTyankee Dec 2013 #98
I would say Andy Warhol, followed by Pablo Picasso. DrewFlorida Dec 2013 #101
that must pose a challenge to you...what a creative endeavor! CTyankee Dec 2013 #104
I have been in the business for 28 years, I'm well versed in frame design etc. DrewFlorida Dec 2013 #107
Dealing with the public in general is difficult and not for everybody, but I know what you are CTyankee Dec 2013 #108

panader0

(25,816 posts)
1. Damn. Another quiz that I am stumped by,
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:43 PM
Dec 2013

I like number three. Looking forward to being educated again. Thanks for these weekly lessons.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
33. Not me. I am never stumped.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:22 PM
Dec 2013


All of these works of art were completed by homo sapiens inhabiting the third planet in our solar system.


Its my standard answer and I am proud never to have gotten a single answer wrong.


Its not only the best I got, its the only thing I can come up with.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. #3 - "Red Door District" by that Dutch Guy
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:47 PM
Dec 2013

Many people do not know that Amsterdam's "Red Light District" pre-dates the invention of electric lighting, and hence at that time, red doors were used to signify houses of ill repute.

In this classic work by that Dutch Guy, we see a street prostitute cutting into the turf of the woman by the red door, while she dozes off after too many space brownies.

Two children are posted as lookouts, lest she awake.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
5. Well, actually, I had a more recent example than that...altho you get points for that bit of history
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 05:51 PM
Dec 2013

which I didn't know and never read about...interesting....esp. since this scene isn't of Amsterdam...you know that don't you?

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. I've seen #5 before, I think.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:28 PM
Dec 2013

Not in real life, probably in a book.

Regardless, I am stumped.

Love the Friday afternoon challenge, even though I'm usually always stumped.

Have an R&K.

longship

(40,416 posts)
12. Been to DIA in Detroit, the Met, Frick, MOMA in NYC, the Huntington in CA.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:00 PM
Dec 2013

I don't travel much and have never had a passport. At 65, I know that's shameful.

Oh! And the Wichita Art Museum, which is nice, albeit small. I was a good friend of the head curator and her husband, both good Democrats.

They're all in places I've lived.

longship

(40,416 posts)
21. Nope. The ones I mentioned are the ones I've been to.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:53 PM
Dec 2013

Oh! And a long time ago I went to the Nat'l Gallery in DC, but I was a pre-teen and went with my family on vacation, so I don't remember much of it. The Capital and White House tours linger to this day.

Much more recently was the Jefferson Building at the Library of Congress. Unforgettable!

The view as one first walks into the main hall (ones jaw drops):


Ceilings!


Art is everywhere. Here's (who else!) Minerva:


It's one of the best tours in DC. Certainly unforgettable and visually stunning.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
8. #1: Gustave Courbet, "Village Girl with Goat"
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:51 PM
Dec 2013

One of the 1,400 Nazi-looted artworks that were discovered in a Munich apartment.

Art Seized By Nazis Found In Munich Apartment
http://www.rferl.org/media/photogallery/art-munich-germany-nazis/25159885.html

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
10. It is an interesting story...this guy Gurlitt was a real character...actually, I had read that
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 06:59 PM
Dec 2013

the Courbet went out of sight in 1949...it's unclear what had happened int he interim between the end of the war...

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
13. I keeed I keeed! One of my favorite pastimes is going to museums and galleries....
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:05 PM
Dec 2013

I home schooled my daughter so we got to travel the world during off-seasons and no crowds in museums. Sheer joy.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
17. She LIKES museums? Wow, I am impressed. You raised her well!
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:35 PM
Dec 2013

I was in the National Gallery in London last May and was just overcome by the sheer volume of masterpieces there. I did the entire Sainsbury Wing and as much more as I could manage, what with my arthritic spine (which at the time I was in denial of). God, that was an amazing experience! I'm so glad I did my due diligence on that museum and reserved an entire day to do it. Incredible!

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
28. She's 23 now and she loves them...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:15 PM
Dec 2013

When she was 2 and a half, we camped in Europe for almost 3 months and she fell in love with art in cathedrals and museums. Statues were her favorite but her favorite museum was the Picasso Museum in Barcelona. She loved Picasso's art so much that she recognized his artwork in Paris's Centre Pompidou 2 weeks later.

Cute story, when we went to the Louvre, her dad was carrying her. We were mostly looking at statues and animal paintings. Whatever she wanted to see. Throughout the Louvre they've small - maybe 3"x5" inch black and white images posted about showing the way to their more famous artwork. So we kept seeing tiny black & white images of the Mona Lisa and my daughter's dad would say, "We're getting closer to the Mona Lisa!" When we arrived at the gallery, people were crowded around and her dad put her on his shoulders so she could see the painting. And she said, "I like the little ones better." ! So back to the statues we went!

I'd say that my most exciting art experience was the 11 days that we spent in Mexico City when my daughter was 12. Fabulous art everywhere. we could have stayed twice as long and still barely tap into the abundance of extra-ordinary art there.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
41. I don't blame her for feeling that way about the Mona Lisa...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:34 PM
Dec 2013

all the people crowded around a pretty small painting and it is intimidating. I had been to see it with my mother in the 1950s when Europe was pretty down and out. We flew over in propellered aircraft (KLM!). What a trip....

I really remembered Winged Victory at the Louvre more than anything...

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
54. Winged Victory is one of my favorites. It graced the cover of
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:06 PM
Dec 2013

my 9th grade world civ text book. Back then, a farm girl, I never imagined I'd see it in real life.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
14. #6: White House Mantel Clock with figure of Minerva by Thomire & Co., c. 1817
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 07:43 PM
Dec 2013

Formerly in the Blue Room, now on a table of the Entrance Hall as shown in photo.

But I haven't found a recent news connection for this.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
15. Not recent. But how was it discovered?
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 08:23 PM
Dec 2013

The back story was fabulous...

I realize that there were hints in the reflection of the portraits in the mirror...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
32. President Monroe sent agents to France to replace furnishings destroyed by the British
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:20 PM
Dec 2013
In 1814, the British burned the White House in retaliation for an American attack on the city of York in Ontario, Canada. It was rebuilt three years later by the architect James Hoban and, in 1817, President James Monroe refurbished the iconic building. One of the principal reception rooms at the White House is the Blue Room, which is one of only three oval rooms, the other two being the President’s famous Oval Office and the Red Room.

President Monroe decided to refurbish the Blue Room in French Empire style and so sent agents to France on what must have been one of the greatest shopping trips of the 19th century. They were looking for the very best, so it should come as no surprise that when selecting a suitable clock to sit in pride of place on the mantle above the fireplace, they chose a stunning gilded table clock by Louis Moinet, who had already made a clock for one of Monroe’s predecessors and fellow Founding Father, Thomas Jefferson, which accompanied the latter during his two White House terms of office.

The Louis Moinet clock purchased by Monroe strikes the hours and quarter hours and features Minerva – the Roman goddess of poetry, medicine, wisdom, commerce and crafts – reclining on a shield. The clock bears the names of both Louis Moinet and Pierre-Philippe Thomire, the acclaimed bronzier who collaborated with Moinet on many of his clocks. Thomire’s beautiful bas-relief engravings depicting military scenes decorate the sides of the case.

Today, only a handful of objects remain in the White House from this period, but among them is the Louis Moinet Minerva clock which became one of the favourite White House timepieces of 11th U.S. president, James K. Polk. And we are pleased to report that nearly 200 years after President Monroe bought the Louis Moinet Minerva clock, it is still sitting proudly in the Blue Room as he originally intended.

Indeed, President Harry S. Truman said during his time in the White House: “It is tragic what happened to the wonderful old pieces of furniture which were bought by the early Presidents. Except for the Blue Room suite there is not a single stick of that original furniture left and the two clocks to which I refer (one of which was the Minerva clock) along with a number of clocks in the various bedrooms, are the only early pieces that are left.”

http://www.louismoinet.com/blog-article.php?p=369


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
35. Great history! You are leaving out one great discovery of this fabulous piece!
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:24 PM
Dec 2013

Who rescued it from a White House warehouse all covered in a thick coat of radiator paint and had it restored to glory in the White House?

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
81. Okay, I'm stumped on that rediscovery
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:34 AM
Dec 2013

Nancy Reagan and her decorator found the Benjamin Franklin mantel clock in an Alexandria warehouse and had it cleaned and repaired and restored to the WH, but I can't find anything on the rediscovery of the Minerva clock covered in radiator paint.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
83. not the clock itself but the Bellange piertable.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:39 AM
Dec 2013

Jackie Kennedy pulled it out of a White House storeroom, one of many restorations of the mansion during JFK's brief presidency. I am now researching it further. She wrote a guidebook which I am guessing is out of print since my library doesn't know where a copy could be found, but they are looking...I think I've got the reference librarian pulling her hair out, kind of like what I do here with you guys...gotta keep in practice, ya know...

Response to CTyankee (Original post)

Response to Kingofalldems (Reply #19)

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
71. Well, the Challenge is no place for it (not that any place is).
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:19 AM
Dec 2013

I'd just as soon they take their stuff elsewhere and leave the art to people who really appreciate it.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
89. why are you keeping this up?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:40 PM
Dec 2013

This is just a nice little place where art lovers come on Friday afternoon to talk about and share experiences with art. The Challenge is a gentle place. I am not at all happy with what you have come here and done. In fact, I am very angry, even more so because you are persisting with it. Please leave us alone.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
94. It's incredibly rude of you to disrupt this thread
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:17 PM
Dec 2013

Taking your petty agenda here is disrespectful to CTYankee and the great effort she puts into these art challenges.

Response to BainsBane (Reply #94)

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
23. No, not at all.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:05 PM
Dec 2013

It is a different, and really serious, context. It's good, actually, and not at all related to the porn stuff here.

Art history research is an antidote for me from the wrangling at DU on any number of issues, many of which are not that important. Porn has a very serious side but this picture is really not involved with it. However, that said, I'd really like to know why the artist included a partially nude woman in a picture whose title has no relation to it at all...I imagine it is the time period and the culture therein....

Response to CTyankee (Reply #23)

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
31. well, the title belies that idea. But really, I'm so used to this mild nudity in art that this just
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:20 PM
Dec 2013

doesn't really get me all worked up...if you want some real hot stuff you can Google Courbet's "The Origin of the World." I won't show it on DU because some people will faint, but I think it's a good painting, despite being, er, kinda explicit...however, I guess the French aren't too concern since it is in the Musee d'Orsay...

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
78. I remember seeing that at the train station gallery in Paris in my 20s and...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:33 AM
Dec 2013

...Learning that impressionist art of that era was more than Lillies.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
84. If I did post that, I'd prolly get banned from DU forever...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:45 AM
Dec 2013

Maybe I'm just insensitive to some things, but I don't think it is so "bad."

You might be interested in knowing the back story on that painting. Courbet asked Whistler's girl friend to model for him and painted her with her mane of red hair, quite a beauty. Courbet and Whistler were very good friends together in Paris. But when Whistler saw that painting he was so furious he never spoke to Courbet again...he had no doubt it was her eventho you can't see her face...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
102. Well, did you take a look at it?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:57 PM
Dec 2013

It's very explicit but I find it beautiful.

I reference it only out of respect for some people's feelings. They might just be very uncomfortable with its frankness with its outright posting. It does hang in a world class museum (where there are schoolchildren going through all the time), but I am still hesitant.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
103. Oh, yes
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:59 PM
Dec 2013

That's the first thing I did. It's a lovely painting. I see why you are hesitant, but it is art, not photography. The human body is beautiful, and I love the message that woman is the origin of the world. I think DU can handle a painting from 1866.

I was going to post it but I noticed many versions have her face cut off. Why?

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
106. I find the issue of the face interesting
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:08 PM
Dec 2013

He painted a woman, but many of the images are of a body, without Joanna's head. Removing her face and head seems hostile to women, as though her personhood matters less than her reproductive organs.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
109. No, I think he didn't want Whistler to know it was her. He did other nice work of her face.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:18 PM
Dec 2013

Or maybe he just wanted to take her from Whistler...

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
110. Oh, so he himself displayed it without the face?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:19 PM
Dec 2013

To conceal her identity. Yet he painted another version with the face?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
111. No, she modeled for him in other paintings...sorry, I didn't mean to be confusing...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:23 PM
Dec 2013

but who knows...maybe he was incredibly foolhardy to think he could do that picture without some pretty scalding consequences from his "friend" Whistler...oy...

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
112. but if you search google images
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:24 PM
Dec 2013

You find two different versions of the painting, one that shows all of Joanna and one of just her torso.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
36. Not Hals but pretty close...just not the Netherlands in this case...
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:26 PM
Dec 2013

Baby on the way? Hooray! Keep me informed!!

elleng

(130,974 posts)
38. Will do so.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:32 PM
Dec 2013

Last night, thought might have to head north this morning at first light (don't want to do that drive in dark,) but something like false alarm. Now, hope he awaits passing of upcoming bad weather. Think I'll wait to drive until roads are clear, after expected weather.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
42. I wish the best for your daughter and the baby...what a tense time it must be for you!
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:36 PM
Dec 2013

Good luck and take care!

elleng

(130,974 posts)
44. Thanks, I'm fine.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:40 PM
Dec 2013

was happy to not have to drive this morning, as I saw swans on the creek! Took pics (one posted in Photography,) and after that, learned some things about my camera, like how to operate the ZOOM! Would have been nice to know about it this morning!

longship

(40,416 posts)
34. #4. 11 yr old Charles Gitnick wows Miami Art Basel with gun art.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:23 PM
Dec 2013
11-year-old Charles Gitnick wows Miami Art Basel with gun art

Charles Gitnick, 11, is showing and selling his “3-D gun art” this week at the satellite art event, the Red Dot Art Fair. Gitnick’s Jackson Pollock-inspired abstracts, which feature embedded plastic guns camouflaged by brightly colored paint, have sold over the past few years in L.A. and New York for anywhere from $100 to $2,500 apiece.

But the sixth-grader says it’s not the money that’s important to him, but the message -- that gun violence is terrifying to him and he wishes guns would remain in art galleries alone rather than on the streets.

He’s been approached this week by gallerists in Miami, New York and Los Angeles to develop upcoming shows, he says. The boy spoke by phone from Miami.

<more at link>


The dude's been making art since he was five years old!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
37. I absolutely love this story! Isn't he fabulous? His art is inspired and wonderful.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:27 PM
Dec 2013

Art Basel should be congratulated in honoring him in this way. He is terrific.

longship

(40,416 posts)
40. It is pretty damned good.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:33 PM
Dec 2013

An 11 year old expressionist who began at five years old. Pretty damned incredible.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
45. He has a real aesthetic sense. Perhaps that is because he has a cultural advantage, but maybe
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:42 PM
Dec 2013

not. I wonder. Was he taken to museums early in his life? It might be that besides his natural talent he had nurturing family members and a larger community that was supportive of the arts to encourage him further?

Who knows?

longship

(40,416 posts)
49. I am very happy that I could contribute this week.
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 09:53 PM
Dec 2013

It is that hope that brings me back.

Friday is art challenge day.

Sunday morning is LOLcats day... (Need LOLcats after Saturday night... )


pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
55. #2: Fragonard Portrait of François-Henri d'Harcourt sells for $28 million For UNICEF
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 10:39 PM
Dec 2013
Fragonard Fetches Auction Record $28 Million for Charity
5 December 2013 - by ArtfixDaily Staff

A major work by the 18th-century French artist Jean-Honoré Fragonard, The Portrait of François-Henri d’Harcourt, sold for £17,106,50. ($28 million) on Dec. 5 setting a world record price for the artist at auction. It is also the highest price for an Old Master painting sold at auction anywhere in the world this year.

Held at Bonhams in London, the sale offered up works from one of the largest private collections ever assembled in Europe. The Fragonard was among paintings and sculpture from the renowned collection of the German philanthropist, the late Dr Gustav Rau, which raised more than £19 million ($31 million) for charity.

The proceeds will be used to benefit the Foundation of the German Committee for UNICEF – for the children of the world.

The previous record for Fragonard was £5,300,000 for a painting sold in London in 1999.

Bonhams Director of Old Master Paintings, Andrew McKenzie, said, “The Portrait of François-Henri d’Harcourt is one of the paintings on which Fragonard’s reputation as an artistic genius rests. It is impossible to overstate its cultural and artistic significance. Handling this great painting for sale was a huge privilege and a landmark in the history of the art market.”

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http://www.artfixdaily.com/news_feed/2013/12/05/5859-fragonard-fetches-auction-record-28-million-for-charity


pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
57. #5: Gerrit van Honthorst masterpiece seized by Nazis sells for record $3.4m
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:11 PM
Dec 2013
Chris Michaud
Friday 07 June 2013 (Reuters)


A 17th century Dutch masterpiece that graced the collections of Catherine the Great's art adviser and Russia's Hermitage Museum before being seized by the Nazis sold for nearly $3.4 million (£2.18 million) at auction, a record for the artist Gerrit van Honthorst.

The Duet, which was confiscated by the Nazis from Jewish art collector Bruno Spiro and sold in 1969 to the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts, fetched $3,371,750 including commission at Christie's Old Master auction on Wednesday.

...


Executed at the height of Honthorst's career, the painting is among the finest examples of the kind of nocturnal revelry for which the Dutch artist is celebrated, Christie's said.

It depicts a theatrically clad man and woman standing together over an open book, singing by candlelight. The woman's exposed breast and revealing garb, as well as the Utrecht setting, suggest that she is a courtesan and the man her client.

The Duet belonged to the collection of Count Alexander Stroganov of St. Petersburg, Catherine the Great's art adviser, during the 19th century. It was eventually housed at the Hermitage Museum before being nationalized after the Russian Revolution. The Soviet regime auctioned it in 1931 in Berlin and Spiro bought it soon after.


http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/art/news/gerrit-van-honthorst-masterpiece-seized-by-nazis-sells-for-record-34m-8648924.html


CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
69. I was in that museum in Montreal in October. They had given "The Duet," spoilated from the Jewish
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:12 AM
Dec 2013

family to whom it had belonged, back to the graciously once the spoilation was discovered. The surviving family then sold it, which is where you pick up the story...

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
62. Oh yeah, it's a Dutch guy. #3
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:46 PM
Dec 2013

#3 is Delft, without a doubt, and that means Vermeer. Probably a safe bet given the signature. Haven't found the piece or back story yet.

ETA: It's called "The Little Street" Johannes Vermeer
(1657-1658) Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam

That would mean one of at least two back stories: one is the reopening of the museum, and the other a possible Acadamy Award nomination for the film "Tim’s Vermeer".

The details will have to wait - what am I doing up at this hour??? sleeep.

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
80. Brick by brick
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:59 AM
Dec 2013

They were all Dutch bricks. But Penn & Teller forgot to hide the signature, low left. After that it seemed somehow unfair to post it.

Prost!

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
68. Could this be the back story?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:57 AM
Dec 2013

Delft professor F.H. Kreuger's recent discovery that the painting "Little Street" is of an Almshouse which was directly in view from the back of Vermeer's childhood home on the Voldersgracht (one of the oldest canals in Delft).

I couldn't really find any article which discusses this "discovery", but it has long been thought that it was never meant to be a painting of any certain spot in Delft. Evidently, that is no longer true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User: Primasz/The_Little_Street_of_Vermeer_and_its_Location

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
72. It is probably one of many back stories on this exquisite work!
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:27 AM
Dec 2013

But "A Little Street" has also served as an inspiration to another artist recently back in the news. When I read about it, I smiled...you will be surprised when you find out who it is...

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
73. I did find a cute little children's book...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:37 AM
Dec 2013

that I might send to my nephews. It's called "The Hero of Little Street" by Gregory Rogers.



When a boy playing in the streets of London is attacked by bullies, he runs into the National Gallery to escape them. While near Jan van Eyck's The Arnolfini Marriage, a dog jumps out to play with the boy, and together they find themselves in the seventeenth-century Netherlands through Vermeer's The Little Street. Though this story's main action occurs as a result of interacting with paintings, no knowledge of fine art is required to enjoy the narrative. The main entertainment from this narrative is a result of the boy and dog interacting with the new places they visit, as the art and comics-style format lend themselves to easily allowing readers to feel the characters' joy and excitement. Furthermore, Rogers tells this story without any words, so the reader must closely look at the pictures in order to follow the story, and the pictures definitely allow for rereading. Horning agrees that this is a fun book for multiple audience, calling it "[a] superb, witty book that will appeal both to squirmy, clueless kids and educated art connoisseurs." This book should be appropriate for all audiences and could be a good introductions to the comics format. Found via Horn Book Magazine, reviewed by Kathleen T. Horning.


Okay, off to continue the search (I really love that painting, by the way).

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
77. Interesting article
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:17 AM
Dec 2013

I don't quite understand how anyone would think this was a composite or imagined place, because I see it as screaming specific time and place.

Now I have to think of what makes the difference between the two.

longship

(40,416 posts)
64. Nobody's got #3 yet?
Fri Dec 6, 2013, 11:53 PM
Dec 2013

There's an obtuse guess up thread, but I don't think the poster got it.

So what is #3?

I hate it when there's no closure on the Friday afternoon challenge. How late does on have to stay up on a Friday night to resolve the dischord?



on edit: I know. Like Charles Ives said to a patron sitting next to him at Boston Symphony Hall for a Bartok premier, "Be still; shut up and take your dissonances like a man."

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
70. To get what I am driving at, consider this work as an inspiration for another famous piece just
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:16 AM
Dec 2013

recently in the news...

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
75. #3 "The Little Street" backstories
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:56 AM
Dec 2013

This might be the one you were aiming at:

Rockwell classics at auction: $57.8M
http://www.timesargus.com/article/20131207/NEWS03/712079926

The third canvas, “Walking to Church,” sold for $3.2 million to Rick Lapham, a U.S. paintings dealer who said he had bought it for a client. Lapham was one of two bidders for the painting, from the April 4, 1953, cover of The Post.

Rockwell based its composition on a Vermeer painting, “The Little Street,” translating the scene to fit his idealized vision of an urban street scene, with family members in their Easter best, each clutching Bibles. He used a composite of buildings in Troy, N.Y., and a church steeple in Vermont, a state he lived in for about 15 years. The painting sold for $3.2 million with fees. It had been expected to fetch $3 million to $5 million.

Asked why there had not been more competition for the painting, Lapham replied, “It’s stylistically different,” referring to Rockwell’s translation of an old-master painting.




If I had to choose, I'd prefer the less constructed, less sentimental view.

There's also this bit of inspiration for new art, of a sort:

Can You Paint Like Johannes Vermeer, Too?
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/12/06/can-you-paint-like-johannes-vermeer-too.html

A brilliant documentary, directed by Teller of Penn & Teller fame, chronicles a 5-year quest to solve a 350-year-old mystery—and gets to the heart of what it means to be an artistic genius.
...

Those are the questions at the heart of the brilliant new documentary Tim’s Vermeer, which was released Friday in New York and was just shortlisted for an Academy Award. (It opens in L.A. on Dec. 13 and nationwide on Jan. 31.) Directed by Teller, the silent half of the legendary Penn & Teller magic team, Tim’s Vermeer tells the story of a tech geek named Tim Jenison who embarks on a quixotic 5-year-long quest to solve the 350-year-old mystery of how Vermeer achieved the unparalleled light effects that made him one of the most revered and unfathomable painters of all time—and to try to achieve the same effects himself, even though he doesn’t really know how to paint.

Experts have long theorized that the 17th century Dutch master relied on some sort of optical technology—a camera obscura, perhaps—to create his enigmatic yet photorealistic scenes of middle-class life because the unaided human eye is unable to register the shifts in light that he so meticulously reproduced on his canvases. In fact, British painter David Hockney wrote an entire book, Secret Knowledge: Rediscovering the Lost Techniques of the Old Masters, on the subject. But when Jenison, the founder of a groundbreaking visual imaging company called NewTek, began to tinker with the kind of devices Hockney describes in his book, he quickly discovered that they were relatively blunt instruments that could never help anyone capture the subtleties of color and tonality that define Vermeer’s work.


And I'm sure there are more, unknown, but I wouldn't have thought Norman Rockwell.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
76. Yes! That's what I was driving at.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:06 AM
Dec 2013

I think Rockwell was pretty interested in Vermeer. After I read the Times article I searched other Rockwell works and was intrigued by this:

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Now look at this:

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Iterate

(3,020 posts)
79. Clearly, he must have been.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:36 AM
Dec 2013

That's a nice find.

If Vermeer was early in the breakout from religious and royal iconography, then why would Rockwell try to overlay it with American icons? Propagandist, or ironic?

Just looking at those two, it's about as ironic (with a heap of condemnation) as you can get. Maybe Rockwell gets a new look.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
82. Is Rockwell condemning Vermeer or his own American iconography?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:35 AM
Dec 2013

Interesting question.

Have you ever read "Vermeer in Bosnia"? The author of this essay is making a different point. Here is a longish pdf of a thinkpiece on it and other interesting questions: http://www.nyu.edu/cas/ewp/bellottostand07.pdf

What I can say is that I feel a sense of peace and order in the mundane nature of Vermeer's street. Not the same with Vermeer's only other outdoor work, View of Delft, which brought Salvador Dali to his knees when he saw it at the Mauritshuis in the Hague (damn near had the same effect on me and later I read that he achieved that effect by mixing sand, and thus tiny granules of glass, in his paint to reflect the ambient light in which the viewer sees it! Charlatan!).

I think an historian would point to the changes in society, the invention of capitalism and the rising middle class, religious tolerance in the Netherlands all gave rise to the genre painting of the Dutch Golden Age of art. My visit to the Netherlands on a barge, docking in the small towns where these artists painted, was a transformative experience and I came as near to a meltdown as I ever had in front of one of Van Gogh's wheat fields with crows in Amsterdam. The culmination of all of the art and the whole ambience of the trip on the little barge was as good as any religious experience...Rockwell can't achieve that but he does express his era in his "dailyness" and (subjectively) his expression of American cultural hegemony in the late 40s and 50s....

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
85. Well, one figure serenely attempts art and the other struggles with a tax deadline
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:30 PM
Dec 2013

As an artist, Rockwell must have taken at least some note of the difference. Art vs. accountancy. He did it with some comedy, some self-deprecating comedy, and a sense that it was a culturally shared and comic occasion. If there wasn't an element of condemnation in it there would be no need for the lighthearted cover. In fact, it would have been out of place.

His character isn't heroic, so the metaphor of creating an American nation as art through taxes can be shot down. There is other art of the 1945 era that does reflect a heroic national self-image, but he's not encoding it into his piece. And Stalin was very unfunny.

So I'd say that at least he's presenting a critique of his own culture and iconography, but with a spoon of sugar. And I can see now that I can't be so dismissive of Rockwell in the future, as he might have set me up for an appreciation of Vermeer when I was young.

All of the above gets more complicated if we learn the costume of Vermeer's figure marks him as an idle wannabee.

Rereading "Vermeer in Bosnia". Now I wonder why there are no men in "The Little Streets" and the facades are in decline.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
86. What I get out of it is order vs disorder
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:25 PM
Dec 2013

The Vermeer is very ordered, which is my impression of how he painted. Rockwell seems to have deliberately put as much disorder into his as he could. You notice it right away.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
90. I see what you mean! He is drawing a parallel between the tidiness of the Dutch street with
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:51 PM
Dec 2013

the litter and neglect of the American urban street. Helluva statement if you consider Rockwell to be a promoter of all things American...

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
93. Actually I was commenting on the 2nd set of paintings,
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:04 PM
Dec 2013

where you pointed out that that one with the guy sitting doing his taxes or whatever is very similar to the Vermeer with the guy sitting and writing. Very evident when you look at those two, although you're right that the urban street scenes show it too.
I remember Pirsig (Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance) pointing out in one of his books - don't think it was the Zen one - that Americans are a much messier people than Europeans are. From the contrasts here it looks to me like Rockwell was pointing this out in his paintings. I'll have to also start looking at Rockwell more closely. Looks like there's a lot more in his stuff than first meets the eye.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
96. the more I read about art the more I see one artist copying another...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:36 PM
Dec 2013

esp. with poses. Here:

Seurat


and

Piero della Francesca

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
115. Yep. I didn't make it up...I read it somewhere...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:36 PM
Dec 2013

of course, Vermeer stole his window treatment of light comingi in from left to right on the canvas from Piero, didn't he?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
117. I didn't know that little factoid until about a month ago when I saw that painting
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 02:40 AM
Dec 2013

in Boston, where it is on loan to the MFA. It was an incredible coup for that museum! It is, and since the mid 1400s always has been, in the Galleria Nazionale delle Marche, the Ducal Palace in Urbino, Tuscany, which is about the only tourist attraction that town has! Th Italian government loaned it to the MFA and it will subsequently go to the Metropolitan Museum in NYC because both museums gave back important Italian works they had which turned out had been stolen. It's such a nice story. So now there is mucho back history stories on it coming out. I learn stuff every day about art provenance...

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
91. I'm going to venture a guess, that these are pieces from the recently discovered collection of...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:54 PM
Dec 2013

Cornelius Gurlitt,
A collection of stolen artworks missing from the Nazi era?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
92. See post #8 by Pinboy. You are right!
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:02 PM
Dec 2013

Fascinating stuff. It's amazing that there keeps on being discovered more stashes of such spoilations even to this day!

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
95. I stumbled upon this, and found it very interesting, thank you.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:23 PM
Dec 2013

I manage a fine art frame shop in Palm Beach, Florida.
This was very interesting and entertaining, thank you for posting this.
I'll keep my eyes open for more in the future.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
98. glad to have you here! We're a merry little band of art lovers (usually...we do get a few
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:51 PM
Dec 2013

disruptors).

Your work must be a joy! I'm curious, what artists works (or copies of works) do you get most often?

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
101. I would say Andy Warhol, followed by Pablo Picasso.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:56 PM
Dec 2013

We see lots of varied artworks, or all styles and periods.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
104. that must pose a challenge to you...what a creative endeavor!
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:00 PM
Dec 2013

The framing can "cost" a painting a lot of its meaning/beauty if not done properly with consideration of its period/subject, etc.

DrewFlorida

(1,096 posts)
107. I have been in the business for 28 years, I'm well versed in frame design etc.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:10 PM
Dec 2013

However, what does pose a challenge is having to deal with the 1% of the 1%, they want, what they want, when they want it. They tend to think the world revolves around them, although there are some refreshingly nice people amongst them.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
108. Dealing with the public in general is difficult and not for everybody, but I know what you are
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:14 PM
Dec 2013

saying. I was a Major Gifts Officer for a nonprofit here in CT and raised money in Greenwich. I know the
class of people and there is this air of entitlement among some. Not all, but some. And my colleagues who raised money among Yale alums had it even worse...as you can imagine...

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