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By GRETCHEN RUBIN
I love findingor inventingways to categorize people. I agree with philosopher Isaiah Berlin, who observed, Every classification throws light on something.
Ive devised several of these, and of the ones Ive come up with myself, my favorites are the Abstainer/Moderator distinction and the four Rubin Tendencies.
Because of this interest, I was intrigued to come across the Psychopathic Personality Inventory, a personality test for traits associated with psychopathy (link to actual quiz below).
I think that we can all agree that one thing that does not contribute to a happy life is a relationship with a psychopath. But what traits are associated with psychopaths?
more
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/12/06/how-to-spot-a-psychopath/
Simpler method: attend or watch any gathering of Republicans. Look at who is on stage.
Or watch the republicans on Meet the Press...
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)ConcernedCanuk
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Took me YEARS to discover the reasons behind her unusual behavior.
From your link:
The test seeks to measure:
Social influence a tendency to seem charming, persuasive
Fearlessness a tendency to embrace risk without fear or anxiety
Stress immunity stays cool in difficult circumstances
Machiavellian egocentricity a tendency to consider only personal needs
Rebellious nonconformity a tendency to neglect of social conventions and regulations
Blame externalization a tendency to assign blame for problems or obstacles to other people
Carefree lack of planning limited willingness to make future plans
Cold-heartedness no guilt or remorse
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She's got them all - and more, although it took me a while to define them.
I read, no - actually I STUDIED books and articles related to this personality disorder,
only after getting deeply entrapped in her life.
(I'm out now - well almost - she stalks me online - whatever for I'll never know)
Other habits that confused me, but later defined by my studies included:
Pathological lying: - she lies when the truth would suffice with no harm!
Stealing: - stole stuff off me right in front of my eyes! - claim "I gave it to her" - "She paid for it" and so on -
her BEST ONE?? - "Well - YOU weren't using it anyways"
Of my studies, the best, most comprehensive book I found that was written so a layman could comprehend:
http://www.amazon.com/Sociopath-Next-Door-Martha-Stout/dp/0767915828
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I think it is almost impossible to stay out of the clutches of a sociopath/psychopath unless one knows what the symptoms are.
Only reason I became knowledgeable was because I was already entrapped, desperate to get out.
Even with the knowledge, took me another 4 years to get "free" - like I said above - almost.
She's been like this her whole life, so - sadly, I don't expect to be totally free
until one of us dies.
(sigh)
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laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)Sorry you had to deal with a sociopath/psychopath. I know what that's like - I was married to one. I'm just glad now I understand the red flags so hopefully it doesn't happen again.
ConcernedCanuk
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Another one was
http://www.amazon.ca/Snakes-In-Suits-When-Psychopaths/dp/0061147893/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b
And - if you check the link at Amazon on any of those 3 books, the other 2 are listed below as well.
hmmm
CC
ps: once bit . . . . I don't think you'll get "caught" again - one never forgets "them" - never . . . (sigh)
Jazzgirl
(3,744 posts)She did all of what you outlined including lying when it wasn't necessary and stealing stuff in front of me, wearing it and saying I gave it to her! I started pulling away from her when I went to college but she always managed to show up. She would steal from all my other friends and try to make it look like I did it. It took me years to get away from her. She was able to poison the relationship between my mother and I. My Mom felt sorry for her and thought I should stay friends with her. She didn't understand how the woman lied, stole and cheated. She was very dangerous. I haven't talked to her in over 20 years now and don't plan to ever again.
On edit: I meant to reply to n2doc's original post. Sorry.
ConcernedCanuk
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you reminded me of another defining quality -
and "my" psycho did (and still does behind my back) what is known as "social poaching".
These people do NOT share -
they take your friends away, and can manage to convince your previous friend that YOU are the bad person.
The friends she targeted on (some whom I've known for decades) will no longer associate with me.
I learned the hard way, once she's got them in her clutches, no use trying to get them back.
Sad, but too true.
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)to ask them out to lunch, where she planned to put forth whatever her story was, try and gaslight me and alienate them from me. There was no lie too big or too small for that one to try and spread.
She called only the ones who would be useful to her, professionally or socially, and all but one saw through it and declined the invite. A few knew immediately there had to be a scheme involved, that she was trying to hurt me- even though they had no idea we'd just had a big rift. Good instincts.
I had never known that these people had disliked and distrusted her for years, I only lost one friend over it- totally worth it.
applegrove
(118,682 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)My ex and our son.
I did the same thing you did- read everything I could get my hands on, trying to understand, after it was already too late and I was stuck.
That was an excellent book. Wish I could rec this post.
womanofthehills
(8,718 posts)Martha Stout said when people asked her the best way to identify a sociopath she said they always play the pity game - oh poor me.
ConcernedCanuk
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"Lost " soul just HAD to escape the USA, used me to get into Canada -
Once she was settled in, all her promises "never happened".
I "misunderstood".
Sound familiar?
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Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)'Congress', or 'Wall Street'...
It's actually pretty easy to find them, they do tend to gather in specific places.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)They do really well in the business world.
There is a reason it's lonely at the top. Those guys/women are so awful that no one in their right mind wants anything to do with them.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)At some point we will either recognize what these people are and make provisions to prevent them from gaining power, or we will follow them into oblivion.
leftyladyfrommo
(18,868 posts)How the hell do you fight a giant corporation? They control everything. The people who control them have no morals. The bottom line is all that matters. And that all that money goes into the hands of the right people. And it sure ain't us little guys.
So scary.
Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)A feudal Lord or corporate monopoly, we can't fight them without gathering large numbers, because that all we've got on our side. That and the fact that they absolutely need us to exist while we don't need them at all.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)I'm in business school and it's understood in the business world that it's such a big problem that in some of my courses we've actually had a class or 2, along with a chapter in our textbooks on the subject of psychopath bosses in the workplace and how to deal with them. Scary stuff.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Common Myth: While many people believe that psychopathy is more prevalent among CEOs and Wall Street bankers, this is a myth not supported by any research. While on the surface it may seem that many of the symptoms and traits of psychopathy might lend themselves to positions of greater power, the two are not synonymous.
One of the problems is that psychopaths tend to be pretty quickly "outed" for their antisocial behaviors, because the charm is purely superficial and easily detected over time with greater exposure to the psychopath. - See more at: http://psychcentral.com/cgi-bin/psychopathy-quiz.cgi#sthash.V7zOtWda.dpuf
ConcernedCanuk
(13,509 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:49 AM - Edit history (1)
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Most people, including many in this thread take YEARS to discover their own "entrapment" of illusion of the psycho.
And then, YEARS to unravel and rebuild their life, sometimes never recovering.
My mother was a psycho - I didn't realize it until my late 50's;
Her "charm" had her (and my) friends convinced she was a wise, kind person - while when left alone with us kids she would browbeat, and physically beat us when neither our respective friends nor my father were present.
We were so terrified of her none of us EVER told our father what happened when he was not home, not even after we were out of the "nest", and he died at the age of 95 - never knowing.
Not until I was 15 did even ONE of my friends consider my "stories" had any validity, and that was only because he heard her go into a tirade over the phone I had set down to adk mother permission to go visit him. She did NOT know the phone was still off the hook, she thought I had hung up - which SHE promptly did (hung up the phone) - and of course, refused me permission to go out, giving me extra chores as her excuse.
Seeing as I was not aware of what I didn't know about socio/psychopaths until my working career was over, I considered many of my bosses to be assholes, jerks, unreasonable, mean, etc., and now realize many of them fit the psycho profile.
And they advanced quite quickly.
Psychos are mostly above average intelligence, and are survivors.
I've had ailments where one or more physicians failed to cure some of my ailments as they practiced their "expertise"; so a "professional" opinion don't mean much to me. (especially when I cured them myself by educating myself on my particular problem at the time.) Let me give you an elongated "ailment" I cured (not mine) in a mtter of weeks - while "doctors' had failed FOR 15 YEARS.
(On edit -continuing - hit post instead of preview)
Now this was back in the mid-80's before Google and all that, so this required a few library visits.
Problem - My girlfriend at the time suffered a regular suffrage from cold sores which led to strep throat, antibiotics were prescribed, strep throat gone, yeast infection followed - not a handy thing for sexually active people as we were then. She went through this "regimen" every year FOR 15 YEARS.
Long story short - in reading books, the main one that clued me in the right direction was called "The Yeast Connection". Probiotics to the rescue - specifically Acidophilus( a "friendly" bacteria - one already in the body, but not enough in many cases).
3 weeks later, all gone - and remained gone for the rest of our relationship - about 2 years.
Had occasion to bump into her 8 years later - still no return of her previous conditions. She did not take the "acid" (I nicknamed it for short) on a regular basis, but as soon as she felt a cold sore start (cold sore was the beginning of her previous "cycles" she would commence the acid - and the cycle was broken. No more strep, no more yeast infection.
I've achieved the same when my own doctors failed me - did it myself with research.
I've dealt with a psycho cop recently (happens to be a friend of "my" psycho girl - go figure) - and spent thousands of dollars to beat conspired charges - in fact, the Crown Attorney WITHDREW the charges - court never heard any of the so-called "evidence"; that cost me over $2500 - money I didn't have at the time of the made-up charges.
Without a timely unexpected inheritance, I was doomed to lose, but fortune smiled on me and I was able to hire one of the best criminal lawyers available. Still, it was a year of misery - never knowing . . . .
So "professional" does not impress me one little bit, in fact, it makes me leery when they postulate their "knowledge".
Psychos are out there, and they want YOU, your belongings, your friends - and your soul if they can manage it.
Beware the person that smiles all the time . . .
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Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)There are more than a few people that are so completely conditioned that they will go to any length to ignore anything that disturbs their internal system of rationalization. That 's one of the problems living in a world that is run by psychopaths and which rewards their 'values'.
But then, you know this having dealt with them yourself.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Well, that is a relief.
rucky
(35,211 posts)but tomorrow is another day
sorefeet
(1,241 posts)a psychopath?? I'm pretty sure my dad is one. He has seen a shrink for many years, would he tell him he was a psychopath?? My poor mom has lived a life of pure hell, his personal slave.
ConcernedCanuk
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They don't CARE!
And some just relish battling with shrinks - psychos are usually above average intelligence.
Most just love seeing how many people they can mess around with - sometimes for personal/social gain,
and/or just for the hell of it.
Whether or not a shrink would actually use the terminology of psychopath or sociopath to them I do not know.
But psychos are dangerous that's for sure.
"Mine" - no longer nearby nor in my "real" life, still messes around with my friends, both where I live and online.
(We used to live on the same property(not the same dwelling), now I'm miles away, but in the same town)
She's a nasty piece of work - well, they all are.
Ya know what REALLY ticks them off?
The ones that get away. . . . > > dat's me! -
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Bigmack
(8,020 posts)The Psychopath Test, by Jon Ronson. VERY well research and well written. Ms Bigmack
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)Viking12
(6,012 posts)or an R next to their name and state
Initech
(100,080 posts)AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Cruelty is acceptable with Republicans and thus is where the sociopaths hang out.
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darkangel218
(13,985 posts)So very familiar with the subject.
Advice to anyone encountering a psychopath: RUN AS FAR AS YOU CAN!! You can't change or heal them!!!
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)My father, my brother and a sister fit into that classification and I was hoodwinked into dating a couple as well. As soon as you encounter one and they make you do the first double take about something rude they have said or done, it's time to locate the door and start heading for it. Never look back.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)And ALWAYS blaming others for everything that goes wrong
Second is compulsive lying.
No, there is no cure for them. Just run and save yourselves.
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)is enough to test anyone's sanity because they are constantly campaigning to make you accept the blame or make others consider that you are to blame for everything they do or facilitate that is detrimental to you and others. And I'll leave it at that because all the other points have already been made!
JimboBillyBubbaBob
(1,389 posts)...earned a two. It seems I'm safe.
AZ Progressive
(3,411 posts)Seriously:
http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/12/06/how-to-spot-a-psychopath/
Social influence a tendency to seem charming, persuasive: Very Republican
Fearlessness a tendency to embrace risk without fear or anxiety: The gall that Republicans show in their plans and ideas.
Machiavellian egocentricity a tendency to consider only personal needs: VERY REPUBLICAN
Rebellious nonconformity a tendency to neglect of social conventions and regulations: Their HATE of regulation and government control, their disregard of being within the bounds of the law, and of ethics and morals.
Blame externalization a tendency to assign blame for problems or obstacles to other people: A HALLMARK of Modern Republicans
Cold-heartedness no guilt or remorse: VERY REPUBLICAN, Republicans hating the poor to get food stamps and other government help. They don't give a damn shit about people dying because they don't have health insurance and thus healthcare. On so many things they just have ZERO heart on.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Once you understand what they are about, then you can figure out how to deal with them, especially if they are in positions of authority over you.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)through charm and inclusion that it's easy to let them right in. At one point in my life I had a few of them in and out of my life. One woman, in particular, turned out to be dangerous and possessive. When I finally just shut the door on her, she went about trying to destroy my business and all of my friendships. This went on for years and I later discovered that she had done the same thing to her family, business partners and anyone else who came close enough. She had bilked enough money out of her family and the government to live without working. She used her free time to sue anything that moved. Bright, well educated and completely crazy. She finally moved out of state and found new people to torment.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)because of problems with subjectivity in the scoring of the Hare in adversarial settings. The average difference between experts for the prosecution and for the defense is about 10 points in some studies. The Hare is a rating scale, while the PPI-R is a self-report.
That said, both the Hare PCL-R and the PPI-R have one major defect: They were developed on people who got caught. I think, in fat, that they pick up on the traits of a certain class of street criminals, but don't identify more high-functioning psychopaths, who are better able to plan (and who avoid criminal records due to rich families & privilege, etc.).
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)then that c.50 % of Americans are pyschopaths given that your elections seem to be closely run events ?
A psychopath
Score: 0
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)...what?
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)as it is that little burrito stand of yours.
tsuki
(11,994 posts)pipi_k
(21,020 posts)If two or more psychopaths get together?
Do they all cancel each other out and become unpsychopathic?
Do they become even more psychopathic?
Or do they all explode in a gigantic fireball?
Cha
(297,294 posts)the last season of Dexter.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)I think thats good??
I just want to compare with other DU'ers.
I do think I'm a nice guy to others, I do have to be nicer to myself.
-90% Jimmy
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polly7
(20,582 posts)My grandmother told me I'm an empath when I was just a little girl. Had no idea what it meant a the time, but it's gotten me in plenty of trouble putting me last. I'm glad for the people who live a happy medium.
I am just now realizing that there is such a thing as too much empathy. I put myself and my needs last all of my life and ended up marrying a sociopath/person with narcissistic personality disorder. I was too young to realize that's what he was. I just felt sorry for him because, as was pointed out in another post, he sure could play the pity party. He did that his entire life. Took me a lot of reading and research to figure out that having him in my life was killing me little by little.
llmart
(15,540 posts)because everyone needs to know how to spot a sociopath/psychopath and not allow them into your life - EVER!
I don't care who they are. Do not allow them into your life. They will suck the life out of you and the joy from your life.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Egalitarian Thug
(12,448 posts)so it's not a surprise that the sickest minds are allowed the most power. Rational human beings cannot so what is required in a psychopathic society.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)of sociopath coupled with generosity and what I think was genuine remorse whenever he'd "lose it," which happened frequently. I suppose the labelers would probably say he had " borderline personality disorder." I'm just glad I don't have to deal with the drama anymore.
Ed. Having said that, I looked up the symptoms for BPD
Signs and symptoms of borderline personality disorder may include:
Impulsive and risky behavior, such as risky driving, unsafe sex, gambling sprees or illegal drug use
Awareness of destructive behavior, including self-injury, but sometimes feeling unable to change it
Wide mood swings
Short but intense episodes of anxiety or depression
Inappropriate anger and antagonistic behavior, sometimes escalating into physical fights
Difficulty controlling emotions or impulses
Suicidal behavior
Feeling misunderstood, neglected, alone, empty or hopeless
Fear of being alone
Feelings of self-hate and self-loathing
It all fits.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)because they are so aware of their problems but feel unable to change
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I haven't been around him at all for over 10 years, but our grown daughter sees him. She says as he's getting older, he's getting better which makes me happy. I couldn't live with him and his moods (and the physical outbursts) any longer, but I bear him no ill will. We parted as friends.
He was seriously physically and emotionally abused as a child, which probably explains a lot.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)that creates BPD and yes I do believe that age is one of the few factors that provides some relief
I know it's not an easily treated affliction but I believe if a person could be educated as to why they feel and react the way they do, that could help with them tremendously.....these folk are not evil
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War Horse
(931 posts)I don't think a couple of run-ins with the Law makes me a psychopath.
I greatly empathize with those above who describe their ex as such, though. My former brother in law fits the description, and my sister struggles daily with the after effects of their marriage. Not to mention the fact that he still manages to sabotage stuff for her, and even manages to garner sympathy from those who haven't seen through his mask yet.