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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:26 AM Dec 2013

How to Spot a Psychopath

By GRETCHEN RUBIN
I love finding–or inventing–ways to categorize people. I agree with philosopher Isaiah Berlin, who observed, “Every classification throws light on something.”

I’ve devised several of these, and of the ones I’ve come up with myself, my favorites are the Abstainer/Moderator distinction and the four Rubin Tendencies.

Because of this interest, I was intrigued to come across the Psychopathic Personality Inventory, a personality test for traits associated with psychopathy (link to actual quiz below).

I think that we can all agree that one thing that does not contribute to a happy life is a relationship with a psychopath. But what traits are associated with psychopaths?

more

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/12/06/how-to-spot-a-psychopath/


Simpler method: attend or watch any gathering of Republicans. Look at who is on stage.

Or watch the republicans on Meet the Press...

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How to Spot a Psychopath (Original Post) n2doc Dec 2013 OP
mark for later Lil Missy Dec 2013 #1
I had the misfortune of having a sociopath in my life recently ConcernedCanuk Dec 2013 #2
Good book rec. "Without Conscience" By Robert Hare is a good one too. laundry_queen Dec 2013 #7
oh wow! - THAT was one of the books I read! (and studied) ConcernedCanuk Dec 2013 #10
I had a best friend like that in High School. Jazzgirl Dec 2013 #16
No apology needed - by the way ConcernedCanuk Dec 2013 #18
yep, when I ditched my psycho cousin, first thing she did was call all of my friends- bettyellen Dec 2013 #21
Glad you are free. Happened to me and I didn't know he existed. Very scary. applegrove Dec 2013 #20
I survived two of them LadyHawkAZ Dec 2013 #28
I bought this book because I had a sociopath next door womanofthehills Dec 2013 #37
That exactly how she "hooked" me - played the pity card ConcernedCanuk Dec 2013 #40
Turn on the TV. Open a financial section of magazine. Go to Google images and enter 'bankers', Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #3
Bankers! Mortgage Bankers. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2013 #4
The only people around them are others just like them. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #5
Right now we are following them into oblivion. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2013 #6
We've forgotten it, but citizen controlled government came about to do just that. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #13
Interesting point laundry_queen Dec 2013 #8
From the site: treestar Dec 2013 #41
"psychopaths tend to be pretty quickly "outed" - that's bullshit. ConcernedCanuk Dec 2013 #46
Of course it is. It flies in the face of the self-evident as well the research that has been done. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #50
Whenever the truth should hurt... Octafish Dec 2013 #9
Throw a dart at FR. rug Dec 2013 #11
Congratulations for not being a psychopath today! Luminous Animal Dec 2013 #12
That makes two of us rucky Dec 2013 #23
Do they know that they are sorefeet Dec 2013 #14
Yes they do, and proud of it. ConcernedCanuk Dec 2013 #32
EXCELLENT book on this Bigmack Dec 2013 #15
I scored an 11: Not a psychopath (Mom will be proud) Tom Ripley Dec 2013 #17
I usually look for the flag lapel pin Viking12 Dec 2013 #19
Fox News is on their TV 24/7. Initech Dec 2013 #22
Sociopathic Ideas are a part of the Right Wing / Modern Republican Party, there's where to start AZ Progressive Dec 2013 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #25
My ex was/is one. darkangel218 Dec 2013 #26
Have to agree 2naSalit Dec 2013 #53
The first sign is declining reponsability darkangel218 Dec 2013 #54
Growing up with them 2naSalit Dec 2013 #56
I took the quiz and... JimboBillyBubbaBob Dec 2013 #27
How to spot a psychopath sounds a lot like how to spot a Republican AZ Progressive Dec 2013 #29
Identifying those around you is half the battle. Cleita Dec 2013 #30
The problem with psychopaths is that they are so good at manipulating... Walk away Dec 2013 #31
I have sometimes used the Lilienfeld PPI-R for forensic evaluations Jackpine Radical Dec 2013 #33
Does it follow from that dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #34
Not pipi_k Dec 2013 #35
I usually figure the fridge full of human body parts is a giveaway Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #36
It's not so much that... Kurovski Dec 2013 #45
Hang out on Wall Street. Thick. tsuki Dec 2013 #38
So what happens pipi_k Dec 2013 #39
Funny.. I'm just watching Cha Dec 2013 #42
Scored a 2 90-percent Dec 2013 #43
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #47
A 2, for me. polly7 Dec 2013 #44
Me too. llmart Dec 2013 #48
rec'd..... llmart Dec 2013 #49
that pretty much covers most CEOs Skittles Dec 2013 #51
Our sick society offers the very highest rewards for the very worst of human behaviors, Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #52
My ex-husband was an interesting combination Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #55
I think they are the saddest people of all Skittles Dec 2013 #57
Exactly. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #58
I believe it's what happens to a child in the first five years Skittles Dec 2013 #59
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #60
I scored a 2. War Horse Dec 2013 #61
 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
2. I had the misfortune of having a sociopath in my life recently
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:33 AM
Dec 2013

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Took me YEARS to discover the reasons behind her unusual behavior.

From your link:

The test seeks to measure:

Social influence — a tendency to seem charming, persuasive

Fearlessness — a tendency to embrace risk without fear or anxiety

Stress immunity — stays cool in difficult circumstances

Machiavellian egocentricity — a tendency to consider only personal needs

Rebellious nonconformity — a tendency to neglect of social conventions and regulations

Blame externalization — a tendency to assign blame for problems or obstacles to other people

Carefree lack of planning — limited willingness to make future plans

Cold-heartedness — no guilt or remorse
__________________________________________________________________________

She's got them all - and more, although it took me a while to define them.

I read, no - actually I STUDIED books and articles related to this personality disorder,

only after getting deeply entrapped in her life.

(I'm out now - well almost - she stalks me online - whatever for I'll never know)

Other habits that confused me, but later defined by my studies included:

Pathological lying: - she lies when the truth would suffice with no harm!

Stealing: - stole stuff off me right in front of my eyes! - claim "I gave it to her" - "She paid for it" and so on -

her BEST ONE?? - "Well - YOU weren't using it anyways"

Of my studies, the best, most comprehensive book I found that was written so a layman could comprehend:



http://www.amazon.com/Sociopath-Next-Door-Martha-Stout/dp/0767915828
_____________________________________________________________________

I think it is almost impossible to stay out of the clutches of a sociopath/psychopath unless one knows what the symptoms are.

Only reason I became knowledgeable was because I was already entrapped, desperate to get out.

Even with the knowledge, took me another 4 years to get "free" - like I said above - almost.

She's been like this her whole life, so - sadly, I don't expect to be totally free

until one of us dies.

(sigh)


CC

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
7. Good book rec. "Without Conscience" By Robert Hare is a good one too.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:15 PM
Dec 2013

Sorry you had to deal with a sociopath/psychopath. I know what that's like - I was married to one. I'm just glad now I understand the red flags so hopefully it doesn't happen again.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
10. oh wow! - THAT was one of the books I read! (and studied)
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:31 PM
Dec 2013

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Another one was



http://www.amazon.ca/Snakes-In-Suits-When-Psychopaths/dp/0061147893/ref=pd_bxgy_b_img_b

And - if you check the link at Amazon on any of those 3 books, the other 2 are listed below as well.

hmmm

CC

ps: once bit . . . . I don't think you'll get "caught" again - one never forgets "them" - never . . . (sigh)

Jazzgirl

(3,744 posts)
16. I had a best friend like that in High School.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:51 PM
Dec 2013

She did all of what you outlined including lying when it wasn't necessary and stealing stuff in front of me, wearing it and saying I gave it to her! I started pulling away from her when I went to college but she always managed to show up. She would steal from all my other friends and try to make it look like I did it. It took me years to get away from her. She was able to poison the relationship between my mother and I. My Mom felt sorry for her and thought I should stay friends with her. She didn't understand how the woman lied, stole and cheated. She was very dangerous. I haven't talked to her in over 20 years now and don't plan to ever again.

On edit: I meant to reply to n2doc's original post. Sorry.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
18. No apology needed - by the way
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:07 PM
Dec 2013

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you reminded me of another defining quality -

and "my" psycho did (and still does behind my back) what is known as "social poaching".

These people do NOT share -

they take your friends away, and can manage to convince your previous friend that YOU are the bad person.

The friends she targeted on (some whom I've known for decades) will no longer associate with me.

I learned the hard way, once she's got them in her clutches, no use trying to get them back.

Sad, but too true.

CC

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
21. yep, when I ditched my psycho cousin, first thing she did was call all of my friends-
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:26 PM
Dec 2013

to ask them out to lunch, where she planned to put forth whatever her story was, try and gaslight me and alienate them from me. There was no lie too big or too small for that one to try and spread.
She called only the ones who would be useful to her, professionally or socially, and all but one saw through it and declined the invite. A few knew immediately there had to be a scheme involved, that she was trying to hurt me- even though they had no idea we'd just had a big rift. Good instincts.
I had never known that these people had disliked and distrusted her for years, I only lost one friend over it- totally worth it.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
28. I survived two of them
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:50 PM
Dec 2013

My ex and our son.

I did the same thing you did- read everything I could get my hands on, trying to understand, after it was already too late and I was stuck.

That was an excellent book. Wish I could rec this post.

womanofthehills

(8,718 posts)
37. I bought this book because I had a sociopath next door
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:31 PM
Dec 2013

Martha Stout said when people asked her the best way to identify a sociopath she said they always play the pity game - oh poor me.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
40. That exactly how she "hooked" me - played the pity card
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:54 PM
Dec 2013

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"Lost " soul just HAD to escape the USA, used me to get into Canada -

Once she was settled in, all her promises "never happened".

I "misunderstood".

Sound familiar?

CC

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
3. Turn on the TV. Open a financial section of magazine. Go to Google images and enter 'bankers',
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:42 AM
Dec 2013

'Congress', or 'Wall Street'...

It's actually pretty easy to find them, they do tend to gather in specific places.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
4. Bankers! Mortgage Bankers.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:53 AM
Dec 2013

They do really well in the business world.

There is a reason it's lonely at the top. Those guys/women are so awful that no one in their right mind wants anything to do with them.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
5. The only people around them are others just like them.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:00 PM
Dec 2013

At some point we will either recognize what these people are and make provisions to prevent them from gaining power, or we will follow them into oblivion.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
6. Right now we are following them into oblivion.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:05 PM
Dec 2013

How the hell do you fight a giant corporation? They control everything. The people who control them have no morals. The bottom line is all that matters. And that all that money goes into the hands of the right people. And it sure ain't us little guys.

So scary.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
13. We've forgotten it, but citizen controlled government came about to do just that.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:56 PM
Dec 2013

A feudal Lord or corporate monopoly, we can't fight them without gathering large numbers, because that all we've got on our side. That and the fact that they absolutely need us to exist while we don't need them at all.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
8. Interesting point
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 12:17 PM
Dec 2013

I'm in business school and it's understood in the business world that it's such a big problem that in some of my courses we've actually had a class or 2, along with a chapter in our textbooks on the subject of psychopath bosses in the workplace and how to deal with them. Scary stuff.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
41. From the site:
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 06:44 AM
Dec 2013

Common Myth: While many people believe that psychopathy is more prevalent among CEOs and Wall Street bankers, this is a myth not supported by any research. While on the surface it may seem that many of the symptoms and traits of psychopathy might lend themselves to positions of greater power, the two are not synonymous.

One of the problems is that psychopaths tend to be pretty quickly "outed" for their antisocial behaviors, because the charm is purely superficial and easily detected over time with greater exposure to the psychopath. - See more at: http://psychcentral.com/cgi-bin/psychopathy-quiz.cgi#sthash.V7zOtWda.dpuf

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
46. "psychopaths tend to be pretty quickly "outed" - that's bullshit.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:01 AM
Dec 2013

Last edited Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:49 AM - Edit history (1)

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Most people, including many in this thread take YEARS to discover their own "entrapment" of illusion of the psycho.

And then, YEARS to unravel and rebuild their life, sometimes never recovering.

My mother was a psycho - I didn't realize it until my late 50's;

Her "charm" had her (and my) friends convinced she was a wise, kind person - while when left alone with us kids she would browbeat, and physically beat us when neither our respective friends nor my father were present.

We were so terrified of her none of us EVER told our father what happened when he was not home, not even after we were out of the "nest", and he died at the age of 95 - never knowing.

Not until I was 15 did even ONE of my friends consider my "stories" had any validity, and that was only because he heard her go into a tirade over the phone I had set down to adk mother permission to go visit him. She did NOT know the phone was still off the hook, she thought I had hung up - which SHE promptly did (hung up the phone) - and of course, refused me permission to go out, giving me extra chores as her excuse.

Seeing as I was not aware of what I didn't know about socio/psychopaths until my working career was over, I considered many of my bosses to be assholes, jerks, unreasonable, mean, etc., and now realize many of them fit the psycho profile.

And they advanced quite quickly.

Psychos are mostly above average intelligence, and are survivors.

I've had ailments where one or more physicians failed to cure some of my ailments as they practiced their "expertise"; so a "professional" opinion don't mean much to me. (especially when I cured them myself by educating myself on my particular problem at the time.) Let me give you an elongated "ailment" I cured (not mine) in a mtter of weeks - while "doctors' had failed FOR 15 YEARS.

(On edit -continuing - hit post instead of preview)

Now this was back in the mid-80's before Google and all that, so this required a few library visits.

Problem - My girlfriend at the time suffered a regular suffrage from cold sores which led to strep throat, antibiotics were prescribed, strep throat gone, yeast infection followed - not a handy thing for sexually active people as we were then. She went through this "regimen" every year FOR 15 YEARS.

Long story short - in reading books, the main one that clued me in the right direction was called "The Yeast Connection". Probiotics to the rescue - specifically Acidophilus( a "friendly" bacteria - one already in the body, but not enough in many cases).

3 weeks later, all gone - and remained gone for the rest of our relationship - about 2 years.

Had occasion to bump into her 8 years later - still no return of her previous conditions. She did not take the "acid" (I nicknamed it for short) on a regular basis, but as soon as she felt a cold sore start (cold sore was the beginning of her previous "cycles&quot she would commence the acid - and the cycle was broken. No more strep, no more yeast infection.

I've achieved the same when my own doctors failed me - did it myself with research.

I've dealt with a psycho cop recently (happens to be a friend of "my" psycho girl - go figure) - and spent thousands of dollars to beat conspired charges - in fact, the Crown Attorney WITHDREW the charges - court never heard any of the so-called "evidence"; that cost me over $2500 - money I didn't have at the time of the made-up charges.

Without a timely unexpected inheritance, I was doomed to lose, but fortune smiled on me and I was able to hire one of the best criminal lawyers available. Still, it was a year of misery - never knowing . . . .

So "professional" does not impress me one little bit, in fact, it makes me leery when they postulate their "knowledge".

Psychos are out there, and they want YOU, your belongings, your friends - and your soul if they can manage it.

Beware the person that smiles all the time . . .

CC

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
50. Of course it is. It flies in the face of the self-evident as well the research that has been done.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 01:54 PM
Dec 2013

There are more than a few people that are so completely conditioned that they will go to any length to ignore anything that disturbs their internal system of rationalization. That 's one of the problems living in a world that is run by psychopaths and which rewards their 'values'.

But then, you know this having dealt with them yourself.

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
14. Do they know that they are
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:08 PM
Dec 2013

a psychopath?? I'm pretty sure my dad is one. He has seen a shrink for many years, would he tell him he was a psychopath?? My poor mom has lived a life of pure hell, his personal slave.

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
32. Yes they do, and proud of it.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:24 PM
Dec 2013

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They don't CARE!

And some just relish battling with shrinks - psychos are usually above average intelligence.

Most just love seeing how many people they can mess around with - sometimes for personal/social gain,

and/or just for the hell of it.

Whether or not a shrink would actually use the terminology of psychopath or sociopath to them I do not know.

But psychos are dangerous that's for sure.

"Mine" - no longer nearby nor in my "real" life, still messes around with my friends, both where I live and online.

(We used to live on the same property(not the same dwelling), now I'm miles away, but in the same town)

She's a nasty piece of work - well, they all are.

Ya know what REALLY ticks them off?

The ones that get away. . . . > > dat's me! -



CC

 

Bigmack

(8,020 posts)
15. EXCELLENT book on this
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:47 PM
Dec 2013

The Psychopath Test, by Jon Ronson. VERY well research and well written. Ms Bigmack

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
24. Sociopathic Ideas are a part of the Right Wing / Modern Republican Party, there's where to start
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:35 PM
Dec 2013

Cruelty is acceptable with Republicans and thus is where the sociopaths hang out.

Response to n2doc (Original post)

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
26. My ex was/is one.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:43 PM
Dec 2013

So very familiar with the subject.

Advice to anyone encountering a psychopath: RUN AS FAR AS YOU CAN!! You can't change or heal them!!!

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
53. Have to agree
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:39 PM
Dec 2013

My father, my brother and a sister fit into that classification and I was hoodwinked into dating a couple as well. As soon as you encounter one and they make you do the first double take about something rude they have said or done, it's time to locate the door and start heading for it. Never look back.

 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
54. The first sign is declining reponsability
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:44 PM
Dec 2013

And ALWAYS blaming others for everything that goes wrong

Second is compulsive lying.

No, there is no cure for them. Just run and save yourselves.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
56. Growing up with them
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:50 PM
Dec 2013

is enough to test anyone's sanity because they are constantly campaigning to make you accept the blame or make others consider that you are to blame for everything they do or facilitate that is detrimental to you and others. And I'll leave it at that because all the other points have already been made!

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
29. How to spot a psychopath sounds a lot like how to spot a Republican
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:56 PM
Dec 2013

Seriously:

http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/12/06/how-to-spot-a-psychopath/

Social influence — a tendency to seem charming, persuasive: Very Republican

Fearlessness — a tendency to embrace risk without fear or anxiety: The gall that Republicans show in their plans and ideas.

Machiavellian egocentricity — a tendency to consider only personal needs: VERY REPUBLICAN

Rebellious nonconformity — a tendency to neglect of social conventions and regulations: Their HATE of regulation and government control, their disregard of being within the bounds of the law, and of ethics and morals.

Blame externalization — a tendency to assign blame for problems or obstacles to other people: A HALLMARK of Modern Republicans

Cold-heartedness — no guilt or remorse: VERY REPUBLICAN, Republicans hating the poor to get food stamps and other government help. They don't give a damn shit about people dying because they don't have health insurance and thus healthcare. On so many things they just have ZERO heart on.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
30. Identifying those around you is half the battle.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:56 PM
Dec 2013

Once you understand what they are about, then you can figure out how to deal with them, especially if they are in positions of authority over you.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
31. The problem with psychopaths is that they are so good at manipulating...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:23 PM
Dec 2013

through charm and inclusion that it's easy to let them right in. At one point in my life I had a few of them in and out of my life. One woman, in particular, turned out to be dangerous and possessive. When I finally just shut the door on her, she went about trying to destroy my business and all of my friendships. This went on for years and I later discovered that she had done the same thing to her family, business partners and anyone else who came close enough. She had bilked enough money out of her family and the government to live without working. She used her free time to sue anything that moved. Bright, well educated and completely crazy. She finally moved out of state and found new people to torment.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
33. I have sometimes used the Lilienfeld PPI-R for forensic evaluations
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:34 PM
Dec 2013

because of problems with subjectivity in the scoring of the Hare in adversarial settings. The average difference between experts for the prosecution and for the defense is about 10 points in some studies. The Hare is a rating scale, while the PPI-R is a self-report.

That said, both the Hare PCL-R and the PPI-R have one major defect: They were developed on people who got caught. I think, in fat, that they pick up on the traits of a certain class of street criminals, but don't identify more high-functioning psychopaths, who are better able to plan (and who avoid criminal records due to rich families & privilege, etc.).

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
34. Does it follow from that
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:41 PM
Dec 2013

then that c.50 % of Americans are pyschopaths given that your elections seem to be closely run events ?

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
39. So what happens
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:45 PM
Dec 2013

If two or more psychopaths get together?


Do they all cancel each other out and become unpsychopathic?


Do they become even more psychopathic?


Or do they all explode in a gigantic fireball?

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
43. Scored a 2
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 08:31 AM
Dec 2013

I think thats good??

I just want to compare with other DU'ers.

I do think I'm a nice guy to others, I do have to be nicer to myself.

-90% Jimmy

Response to 90-percent (Reply #43)

polly7

(20,582 posts)
44. A 2, for me.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 08:40 AM
Dec 2013

My grandmother told me I'm an empath when I was just a little girl. Had no idea what it meant a the time, but it's gotten me in plenty of trouble putting me last. I'm glad for the people who live a happy medium.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
48. Me too.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:15 AM
Dec 2013

I am just now realizing that there is such a thing as too much empathy. I put myself and my needs last all of my life and ended up marrying a sociopath/person with narcissistic personality disorder. I was too young to realize that's what he was. I just felt sorry for him because, as was pointed out in another post, he sure could play the pity party. He did that his entire life. Took me a lot of reading and research to figure out that having him in my life was killing me little by little.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
49. rec'd.....
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:16 AM
Dec 2013

because everyone needs to know how to spot a sociopath/psychopath and not allow them into your life - EVER!

I don't care who they are. Do not allow them into your life. They will suck the life out of you and the joy from your life.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
52. Our sick society offers the very highest rewards for the very worst of human behaviors,
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 03:09 PM
Dec 2013

so it's not a surprise that the sickest minds are allowed the most power. Rational human beings cannot so what is required in a psychopathic society.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
55. My ex-husband was an interesting combination
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:45 PM
Dec 2013

of sociopath coupled with generosity and what I think was genuine remorse whenever he'd "lose it," which happened frequently. I suppose the labelers would probably say he had " borderline personality disorder." I'm just glad I don't have to deal with the drama anymore.


Ed. Having said that, I looked up the symptoms for BPD

Signs and symptoms of borderline personality disorder may include:

Impulsive and risky behavior, such as risky driving, unsafe sex, gambling sprees or illegal drug use
Awareness of destructive behavior, including self-injury, but sometimes feeling unable to change it
Wide mood swings
Short but intense episodes of anxiety or depression
Inappropriate anger and antagonistic behavior, sometimes escalating into physical fights
Difficulty controlling emotions or impulses
Suicidal behavior
Feeling misunderstood, neglected, alone, empty or hopeless
Fear of being alone
Feelings of self-hate and self-loathing


It all fits.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
57. I think they are the saddest people of all
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 05:19 PM
Dec 2013

because they are so aware of their problems but feel unable to change

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
58. Exactly.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 05:34 PM
Dec 2013

I haven't been around him at all for over 10 years, but our grown daughter sees him. She says as he's getting older, he's getting better which makes me happy. I couldn't live with him and his moods (and the physical outbursts) any longer, but I bear him no ill will. We parted as friends.

He was seriously physically and emotionally abused as a child, which probably explains a lot.

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
59. I believe it's what happens to a child in the first five years
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 05:41 PM
Dec 2013

that creates BPD and yes I do believe that age is one of the few factors that provides some relief

I know it's not an easily treated affliction but I believe if a person could be educated as to why they feel and react the way they do, that could help with them tremendously.....these folk are not evil

Response to n2doc (Original post)

War Horse

(931 posts)
61. I scored a 2.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 05:58 PM
Dec 2013

I don't think a couple of run-ins with the Law makes me a psychopath.

I greatly empathize with those above who describe their ex as such, though. My former brother in law fits the description, and my sister struggles daily with the after effects of their marriage. Not to mention the fact that he still manages to sabotage stuff for her, and even manages to garner sympathy from those who haven't seen through his mask yet.

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