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Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:20 PM Dec 2013

More men speaking in girls' 'dialect', study shows

More young men in California rise in pitch at the end of their sentences when talking, new research shows.
This process is known as "uptalk" or "valleygirl speak" and has in the past been associated with young females, typically from California or Australia.

The findings were presented at the Meeting of the Acoustical Society of America in California. "We found use of uptalk in all of our speakers, despite their diverse backgrounds in socioeconomic status, ethnicity, bilingualism and gender," said Amanda Ritchart, a linguist at the University of California who led the research. "We believe that uptalk is becoming more prevalent and systematic in its use for the younger generations in Southern California," she added.

People who speak uptalk are often misunderstood to be insecure, shallow or slightly dim, according to the team, who say this was not necessarily the case.

"One possibility is that this is an extension of a pitch pattern that we actually find in most varieties of English which is used when you're making a statement but you're [also] asking indirectly for the interlocutor to confirm if they are with you," Prof Arvaniti said. She added that "uptalk" had negative connotations which made men less likely to admit to using it, but what was clear was that it was spreading.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25232387




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More men speaking in girls' 'dialect', study shows (Original Post) Sunlei Dec 2013 OP
Oh ma god! treestar Dec 2013 #1
aka "inappropriate question intonation" unblock Dec 2013 #2
Why? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #35
fair point. this is simply the academic term i'm familiar with. unblock Dec 2013 #41
interesting term for it. Liberal_in_LA Dec 2013 #46
Watch any sitcom for examples nt. MrScorpio Dec 2013 #3
Merging of the genders is occurring on a cultural level. randome Dec 2013 #4
I'd prefer this merging to happen with uptalk being dropped by both genders, however. Silent3 Dec 2013 #6
Totally, dude. Totally. randome Dec 2013 #9
How would we survive a hundred thousand years if there's only one gender? TransitJohn Dec 2013 #27
Or we'll all be capable of being pregnant. randome Dec 2013 #28
Well, sexual reproduction is hundreds of millions of years old TransitJohn Dec 2013 #32
You may be right but we will probably crack the genetic code before too long. randome Dec 2013 #40
It makes the speaker sound like a dipshit Lex Dec 2013 #5
As a New Yorker I used to think all Southerners were stupid MattBaggins Dec 2013 #36
Southerners think the same of New Yorkers' accents. Lex Dec 2013 #47
I do because I raised girls. Iggo Dec 2013 #7
valley girl talk for all quinnox Dec 2013 #8
Something like this? backscatter712 Dec 2013 #43
Gag me with a spoon! pinboy3niner Dec 2013 #10
Like... randome Dec 2013 #17
It's now commonly used as an unspoken: "Are you following this?" HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #11
Oh no. HappyMe Dec 2013 #12
Watch 'Night of the Comet' for a good example of valley girl talk from the 80's. randome Dec 2013 #13
Awesome movie. n/t FSogol Dec 2013 #33
That's my favorite quotable movie. Iggo Dec 2013 #39
Listen to reporters on tv/radio...it's even there. They used to be the bastions CurtEastPoint Dec 2013 #14
It's denotes uncertainty in self and timidity. aikoaiko Dec 2013 #15
My thoughts exactly. n/t backscatter712 Dec 2013 #19
Yes. This. Lex Dec 2013 #20
You can't overcome your prejudices? MattBaggins Dec 2013 #37
Are you following me around or something? Lex Dec 2013 #48
So everyone in Australia is timid and unsure of themselves? wickerwoman Dec 2013 #21
To me, that statement says more about the listener than about the speaker Orrex Dec 2013 #25
Ah, how to sound like a bubblehead! backscatter712 Dec 2013 #16
I have noticed this as a generational thing Tom Ripley Dec 2013 #18
Heh... Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #22
I unconsciously do this. It's annoyING. Dash87 Dec 2013 #23
I find it quite appealing. sibelian Dec 2013 #24
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #26
It's a verbal Cavuto mark? backscatter712 Dec 2013 #29
Like Vicki Pollard or Lauren Cooper ? dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #30
I would never listen to someone who talked like that. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #31
Lake Bell did a hilarious rant about this... rucky Dec 2013 #34
More examples of uptalk... backscatter712 Dec 2013 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #42
It sounds a little whine libodem Dec 2013 #44
Unfortunate. It suggests a lack of self confidence that I would like to see young males have. badtoworse Dec 2013 #45
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. Merging of the genders is occurring on a cultural level.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:30 PM
Dec 2013

Gay rights becoming mainstream is a part of this, and the Neanderthals in our midst cannot stop it.

If we survive another hundred thousand years, we may only have one gender.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]TECT in the name of the Representative approves of this post.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
9. Totally, dude. Totally.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:36 PM
Dec 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
28. Or we'll all be capable of being pregnant.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:03 PM
Dec 2013

Evolution works in mysterious ways. Who knows what it has in store for us?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A ton of bricks, a ton of feathers. It's still gonna hurt.[/center][/font][hr]

TransitJohn

(6,932 posts)
32. Well, sexual reproduction is hundreds of millions of years old
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:44 PM
Dec 2013

I think we're pretty locked in there. Certainly for the blink of an eye that a hundred thousand years is.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
40. You may be right but we will probably crack the genetic code before too long.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 06:14 PM
Dec 2013

Maybe we'll someday live in John Varley's kind of world where people routinely go in for a few hours' nano-surgery when they get the impulse to change gender.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Rules are made to be broken. Including this one.[/center][/font][hr]

MattBaggins

(7,904 posts)
36. As a New Yorker I used to think all Southerners were stupid
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 05:02 PM
Dec 2013

then I realized it was my own stupid prejudices to the sound of their voices.

just saying

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. Like...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:49 PM
Dec 2013

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
11. It's now commonly used as an unspoken: "Are you following this?"
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:38 PM
Dec 2013

as well as "Do you believe this/me?"

IMO, both of these circumstances are useful parts of communication.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. Watch 'Night of the Comet' for a good example of valley girl talk from the 80's.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:41 PM
Dec 2013

It's a schlocky, enjoyable movie.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Treat your body like a machine. Your mind like a castle.[/center][/font][hr]

CurtEastPoint

(18,649 posts)
14. Listen to reporters on tv/radio...it's even there. They used to be the bastions
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:41 PM
Dec 2013

of proper English but not so much. The researchers says that unfairly and inaccurately, it makes the speakers sound dim. But it does. So dim.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
21. So everyone in Australia is timid and unsure of themselves?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:09 PM
Dec 2013

Upspeak is also called AQI for Austalian Questioning Intonation and it's one of the defining characteristics of the accent.

I certainly don't associate timidity with Australians or with their accent. I think that's conveyed much more by the volume you're speaking at and whether or not you make eye contact.

It's just another way of speaking (that happens to be really infectious). You don't even notice it after a while.

Orrex

(63,215 posts)
25. To me, that statement says more about the listener than about the speaker
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:30 PM
Dec 2013

It is every bit as wrong-headed as if you had asserted than an "urban" dialect sounds unintelligent.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
16. Ah, how to sound like a bubblehead!
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:46 PM
Dec 2013

Now you've done it - I'm adding uptalk to my impressions when I mock people!

I know, I'm a terrible person.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
24. I find it quite appealing.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 02:20 PM
Dec 2013

I don't really understand the majority reaction!

I do think it's a little grating when the implied inclusivity of it turns out to be a bit fake, though.

Response to Sunlei (Original post)

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
29. It's a verbal Cavuto mark?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:11 PM
Dec 2013

It uh, like is used at the end of sentences? So you can sound like totally popular and stuff? So all you need to do is add an pitch-rise to the end of your sentences? And you can be one of the cool kids?

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
38. More examples of uptalk...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 05:48 PM
Dec 2013


Wow. If you look into their eyes, you can see the backs of their skulls!

Here's an even worse example...

Response to Sunlei (Original post)

libodem

(19,288 posts)
44. It sounds a little whine
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:56 PM
Dec 2013

To my ears. Sometime I hear a slight, 'a', sound at the end of each word, it drags out the sound and adds to the plaintive quality of THOSE speakers.

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