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Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:12 PM Dec 2013

A trend I'm noticing with some white people.

Apparently this is twice this has happened to me since I've been back to North Carolina. For those of you who don't know, I'm part black, part White, and part Indian but when people look at me they see the black part of me. Now, Last week i went to the doctor's office with my grandmother. While there, there was this white lady who acted terrified to be around me. Mind you I'm partially blind so unless I'm looking right dead at you, I'm not going to pay attention to what you're doing.

But my grandmother was paying attention and she mentioned to me that this woman was acting like I was going to hurt her or something. Now, I have a bad back so I couldn't fight anyone if I wanted to. My question is why are white people so dang afraid all the time? Its the 21st century. You think they would be used to it, but should I start becoming concerned for my safety? We all know how some white people feel about black people but with me being partially blind I'm wondering if I'm over reacting to this or should I just trust that nothing will happen to me.

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A trend I'm noticing with some white people. (Original Post) Coolest Ranger Dec 2013 OP
I'm so sorry you had to go through that, CR. darkangel218 Dec 2013 #1
Brainwashing malaise Dec 2013 #2
Add to that that most of them know they live entitled lives. Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #6
41% of the nation's poor are white. I don't know how entitled they should feel. Comrade Grumpy Dec 2013 #24
True. Except racism is an age-old means of making poor whites feel artificially better about nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #54
Depends on age and location probably LittleBlue Dec 2013 #3
+1 JimDandy Dec 2013 #5
well said. nt DesertFlower Dec 2013 #44
well phil89 Dec 2013 #4
Probably comes from a lifetime of being a victim of discrimination. Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #7
sounds irrational phil89 Dec 2013 #25
Are you saying that you need convincing that racial discrimination Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #36
Not just fear tazkcmo Dec 2013 #53
I don't think our young friend of 24 years is a fan of history... Baitball Blogger Dec 2013 #58
What would you know? You said that it's easier to be black than white CreekDog Dec 2013 #110
Trolling? redstatebluegirl Dec 2013 #8
I think you're right nt mimi85 Dec 2013 #65
That's what I smelled right away. Pisces Dec 2013 #99
White people in North Carolina aren't like white people in a normal state. nt valerief Dec 2013 #9
horseshit... ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2013 #21
I'm from Georgia, and what they posted is true except more widespread in south than NC. Hoyt Dec 2013 #52
Typical. cordelia Dec 2013 #70
yes... typical of assholes to bash southern states ProdigalJunkMail Dec 2013 #95
I met an older couple from NC on a city bus in Seattle AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #94
maybe he thought you were from evil Washington DC grasswire Dec 2013 #102
I don't know. I have relatives in North Carolina who were normal before they moved there. Tigress DEM Dec 2013 #104
Could you please define what you mean by normal??? CherokeeDem Dec 2013 #27
Not mostly Republican elected officials. nt valerief Dec 2013 #47
Really???? CherokeeDem Dec 2013 #50
More folk here in NC voted Dem than Repub in the November 2012 election: struggle4progress Dec 2013 #60
Then I stand corrected. I just hate Republicans. nt valerief Dec 2013 #64
And about half of NC feels that way too right now struggle4progress Dec 2013 #66
I'm a proud member of the half that is sick and tired of Republicans gerrymandering Jamastiene Dec 2013 #121
Other than my relatives, I've met a lot of sane & rational people while on vacay in NC. Tigress DEM Dec 2013 #106
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #39
I have to argue that one Scootaloo Dec 2013 #51
Really? And you base this on what, exactly? ladyVet Dec 2013 #101
Republicans ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #10
Culture typically lags behind current social realities by many decades, because people struggle4progress Dec 2013 #11
Excellent post. Thanks. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #32
+2 nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #55
Well stated. Thank you. ancianita Dec 2013 #75
In addition, there are some people who can't stand avebury Dec 2013 #86
They're racist RainDog Dec 2013 #12
+1 darkangel218 Dec 2013 #13
Some have not LWolf Dec 2013 #14
Yes it's real, and yes it's weird, but I don't think that it should make you paranoid too. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #15
People like that live in their own little world newfie11 Dec 2013 #16
It ain't a trend--it's an educational thing. MADem Dec 2013 #17
This is so cute. mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #31
That lighthearted little musical digs deep into racism. MADem Dec 2013 #49
You MADem mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #88
You are most welcome! nt MADem Dec 2013 #90
I think I see your problem. A problem that I carried for a long time myself. Glassunion Dec 2013 #18
Appropos of that, I work in an Squinch Dec 2013 #45
Fox has them scared of black people NightWatcher Dec 2013 #19
"Hey, M-F'er, where's my iced tea?" TransitJohn Dec 2013 #20
Too many Americans are too afraid of too many things. It's making us crazy. n/t Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #22
Not to mention the "MORE GUNZ EVERYWHERE" rhetoric. It's downright pathological, really. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #57
They're afraid because they watch Faux News notadmblnd Dec 2013 #23
Fox News. Turbineguy Dec 2013 #26
The woman wasn't scared of you harming her, she was scared of minorities getting healthcare. LOL okaawhatever Dec 2013 #28
If thats all you have gotten then count yourself lucky. mstinamotorcity2 Dec 2013 #29
Some white people live in a bubble that is so cut off from reality Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #30
Great thread. Enlightening. k&r for exposure. n/t Laelth Dec 2013 #33
A lot of white people were convinced gollygee Dec 2013 #34
Thanks for the reassurances everyone Coolest Ranger Dec 2013 #35
They have also been told recently that poor minorities will now have healthcare too VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #37
In her mind ... JoePhilly Dec 2013 #38
This reminds me of Burma Jones on the streetcar in 'A Confederacy of Dunces' REP Dec 2013 #40
Some people are racist AND ninnies at the same time Lydia Leftcoast Dec 2013 #41
No more to the story? Boom Sound 416 Dec 2013 #42
I remember years ago driving across Northern California and Nevada with my African-American friend Douglas Carpenter Dec 2013 #43
...ironically bad Christmas sweaters? Warren DeMontague Dec 2013 #46
She probably saw your skittles and hoodie. FSogol Dec 2013 #48
Her daddy and mommy made her afraid Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #56
I don't know why white people are so afraid. PDittie Dec 2013 #59
Only black people commit crimes HipChick Dec 2013 #61
A lifetime of training. Iggo Dec 2013 #62
um...you're overreacting Adam-Bomb Dec 2013 #63
I don't think it should be thought of as specific to NC gollygee Dec 2013 #82
Twice is a trend now? flvegan Dec 2013 #67
it's happened more than twice, but he is partially blind so didn't notice it JI7 Dec 2013 #72
Hang on a minute. Could you be a little more specific, please? Skip Intro Dec 2013 #68
LOL Skip. Hi!!! Cali_Democrat Dec 2013 #80
what is this "all white people" bullshit? she said "some" and I "don't doubt" you actually knew that bettyellen Dec 2013 #98
Bullshit. From the OP: Skip Intro Dec 2013 #113
I need to show you the subject line? where it says SOME? Seriously Skip, spare us your outrage . bettyellen Dec 2013 #115
You know... Skip Intro Dec 2013 #118
when some= all, you will have a point to make. but today, not so much. bettyellen Dec 2013 #119
The OP and thread disprove your posts. Skip Intro Dec 2013 #120
heh SammyWinstonJack Dec 2013 #108
you're a passionate critic of racism CreekDog Dec 2013 #116
Could just be a case of seeing what you expect... Decaffeinated Dec 2013 #69
it's not a trend , ask other black guys about this JI7 Dec 2013 #71
Wow...just wow KentuckyWoman Dec 2013 #73
Ok troll i will play along Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #81
You must have missed the word "some" gollygee Dec 2013 #83
Not Post - THREAD KentuckyWoman Dec 2013 #87
"Don't trust whitey" posts? gollygee Dec 2013 #96
Pretty crazy, aiin't it? Skip Intro Dec 2013 #92
I've had this theory for quite a while... MrMickeysMom Dec 2013 #74
Shows like "Cops" are doing the deed, I'm afraid Warpy Dec 2013 #76
On "Cops", the shirtless white guy is always the scariest one. n/t rucky Dec 2013 #84
Really spinbaby Dec 2013 #100
And in real life, it's the guy in the 3 piece suit, tailored to fit perfectly Warpy Dec 2013 #103
I am getting nervous just reading this.... geckosfeet Dec 2013 #77
You're scared because a person is scared of another person who, Skip Intro Dec 2013 #79
heh. SammyWinstonJack Dec 2013 #109
This thread is insane. Skip Intro Dec 2013 #114
Depends on the situation I guess. Calista241 Dec 2013 #78
I have to admitt that White people in the US seem to be afraid of everything UCmeNdc Dec 2013 #85
What's a "government minority"? WorseBeforeBetter Dec 2013 #97
I haven't notice this at all. Yo_Mama Dec 2013 #89
Depends on where in NC you are, quite frankly. Butterbean Dec 2013 #91
I'm in a very non-liberal rural area, and I'm not seeing stuff like this. ladyVet Dec 2013 #107
Where I work and where my friend's mom lives Butterbean Dec 2013 #112
I don't notice it so much here in Baltimore. Vattel Dec 2013 #93
I think it's just what you are used to. I grew up in a racially mixed.... Walk away Dec 2013 #105
This message was self-deleted by its author Soundman Dec 2013 #111
Sounds more like paranoia on your part. lightcameron Dec 2013 #117
I'm white and grew up in a town that was 99.9% white OwnedByCats Dec 2013 #122
Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #123
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
1. I'm so sorry you had to go through that, CR.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:15 PM
Dec 2013

I get bigoted against for having an accent.

You can't let them get you down. They don't represent what United States stands for.



Baitball Blogger

(46,732 posts)
6. Add to that that most of them know they live entitled lives.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:30 PM
Dec 2013

Hence the term, "Living like a white man." So part of that fear comes from guilt, IMHO.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
54. True. Except racism is an age-old means of making poor whites feel artificially better about
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:01 PM
Dec 2013

themselves and their shitty lives. Basically something along the lines of, "At least I ain't a colored."

 

LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
3. Depends on age and location probably
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:20 PM
Dec 2013

With younger whites in a more liberal area, I doubt you'd have elicited so much as a glance.

Sorry she made you feel that way, I just hope you don't think we all do that. Aside from the racist issue, it's utterly bizarre someone would think another person would be dangerous while escorting their grandmother.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
4. well
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:24 PM
Dec 2013

" she mentioned to me that this woman was acting like I was going to hurt her or something. "

Sounds like she had some biases of her own there. What was this based on?

Baitball Blogger

(46,732 posts)
36. Are you saying that you need convincing that racial discrimination
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 06:30 PM
Dec 2013

exists in this country and that many conservative, white Americans (especially Southerns) are raised to fear Black Americans?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
52. I'm from Georgia, and what they posted is true except more widespread in south than NC.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:59 PM
Dec 2013

You gonna tell me that you haven't met a lot of scared bigots in the south? And no, I don't think it is exclusive to south. But there are more ignorant yahoos there.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
94. I met an older couple from NC on a city bus in Seattle
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 02:40 PM
Dec 2013

They were up towards the front of the bus talking to the driver and myself. They said they were in Seattle on vacation from NC. They expressed shocked that 'strangers' would talk to them. They said where they come from people don't talk to 'strangers'. They were really floored by it. They had never experienced it before.

I was in NC once. We were at a gas station in some small town. After fueling up I pulled off to the side to get my map out and check where we were. After about three minutes, the lady who ran the gas station/store came out and asked us what the heck we were still doing there. She was angry. "Um, I'm looking at my map?"

Another time on the same trip we were at another gas station, filling up my friends car. Some blowhard noticed our Washington license plates and got angry. "Go back to Washington" he angrily yelled at me. I ignored him but he kept yelling xenophobic taunts at me. Finally I had enough and walked over to his truck, which he had just gotten into. I asked him if he had some sort of problem with me. I noticed that the other folks at the station were watching stoically, and when I looked at them, their eyes would shy away. They were scared of something, what I don't know. IT was weird.

Of course we met many nice people too, but they sure fear 'strangers' for some unknown reason.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
102. maybe he thought you were from evil Washington DC
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:29 PM
Dec 2013

Too stupid to know the difference between Washington state and D.C.?

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
104. I don't know. I have relatives in North Carolina who were normal before they moved there.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:40 PM
Dec 2013

Something, probably in the Churches is being pushed heavily. I mean they believe that gangs of black people are just going out looking to beat up whites, but I don't know where they would be getting that from exactly.

Fox News? Local hate radio? KKK? Not sure, but there is a lot more being pushed at my relatives in NC than I see in other areas. I'm constantly having to tell them stuff they post on Face Book is simply NOT true.

One of my cousins is actually married to an African, from Africa. Lived there for some time, but still comes out with crazy shit on poor blacks and immigrants that is racist and ignorant. It's this blame the victim, make people who want food stamps go take drug tests and everything. Like being poor is evil or something - even though most of my relatives are poor, but since they go to church, help others when they can and aren't black themselves then it doesn't apply the same way.

It's just really twisted.

struggle4progress

(118,292 posts)
60. More folk here in NC voted Dem than Repub in the November 2012 election:
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:37 PM
Dec 2013

but that doesn't show up in the Congressional delegation or in our state's General Assembly because of the gerrymandering after 2010

Before that, in recent years it had always been close to a 50/50 split

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
121. I'm a proud member of the half that is sick and tired of Republicans gerrymandering
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:34 AM
Dec 2013

and destroying any progress Democrats make in NC. I'm from NC. I don't "fear" strangers or yell xenophobic crap at anyone. There are some who do, but those people aren't exactly right to begin with even to the other half of us here inside the state.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
106. Other than my relatives, I've met a lot of sane & rational people while on vacay in NC.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:46 PM
Dec 2013

There ARE more DEMs everywhere. I think that those who are drinking the koolaid and voting rethug are just so noisy and obnoxious that they get more attention.

Course Gerrymandering really helps the thugs cause too. CHEAT MUCH? Sigh.

Still when we turn out like we did for Obama, we can't be defeated. You can't gerrymander a fricken landslide. It just proves out to be the real thing that won't BE STOPPED.

Response to valerief (Reply #9)

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
51. I have to argue that one
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:44 PM
Dec 2013

Not as a defense for North Carolina, but because i've seen the same trend pretty much everywhere.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
101. Really? And you base this on what, exactly?
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:28 PM
Dec 2013

As a white person born and raised in the South, I'm a bit pissed off at attitudes like this.

To the OP: I'm very sorry you had to feel this way. Not all white people are afraid. I'm not. I even live in North Carolina!

Funny thing happened one day a couple of years ago, while I was waiting on my sister to get through a PT session. I was sitting in the waiting area, watching two women in their 70s chat like the old friends. One was white, the other black.

They had a nice talk about their lives, their therapy, their doctors, and so on. I thought how wonderful it was that they could do this now, something that wouldn't have been likely when they were young women.

Does prejudice still exist? Sure. And it's not just in the South. Open your eyes and look around. It's everywhere, in all classes and ethnic permutations. It's sadly part of the human condition.

ismnotwasm

(41,989 posts)
10. Republicans
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:40 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:23 PM - Edit history (1)

A Black president, more and more strong Black community leaders, a slowly but surely rising Black middle class have brought forth racist bullshit and stereotypes from the cracks and holes white people keep it in when our privilege isn't being challenged.

Well it's being challenged it in a big way.

I don't think it's you.

struggle4progress

(118,292 posts)
11. Culture typically lags behind current social realities by many decades, because people
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:08 PM
Dec 2013

often absorb the attitudes of their parents and grandparents in childhood, and that colors their own views in their youth and young adult years when most attitudes get locked into place

The notion that differently-colored people are savage violent criminals was part-and-parcel of a culture that stole land from the Original Peoples here and imported blacks as slaves. It was used as an ideological justification for the land-theft and slavery. It reproduced itself by converting feelings of fear and guilt (resulting from the cruelties of that land-theft and slavery) into a projection of such cruelties onto the victims of the cruelty

Since these views simultaneously served to justify exploitation and to salve the consciences of the exploiters, they were extraordinary resilient, and as the forms of oppression modified with the time, the views could be adopted to justify new versions of oppression: thus, when slavery was abolished, it was replaced by chain-gang labor, which imprisoned the underclass for petty offenses (such as vagrancy), and then hired them out as labor to monied interests. But nobody was going to say, out loud in public, We make ou money by imprisoning the underclass for petty offenses (such as vagrancy), and then hiring them out as labor to monied interests

The past (said Faulkner) is never dead. It's not even past. The Civil War seems a long time ago to me, but my father remembers Civil War veterans marching in the parades of his childhood. Another man I knew, who died only a few years back, was mostly raised by a woman who had been born in slavery and remembered sometime of life in the antebellum South. Chain-gang labor, as an economic system, survived in America until the beginning of WWII, and there are many people still alive who were indoctrinated into the Jim Crow mythologies that supported such exploitation. An old woman I knew, ten years gone now, confessed once that in her heart and in her mind she knew there was nothing wrong with interracial marriage but that because of her childhood upbringing, she still experienced an emotional jolt whenever she saw an interracial couple: it had been drummed into her, year after year, by everyone she knew in her early life, that interracial love was vile and an abomination, and while she worked at telling herself, again and again, that she had been taught nonsense, it was still hard work to eliminate her conditioned reaction

ancianita

(36,066 posts)
75. Well stated. Thank you.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 01:30 AM
Dec 2013


Having lived among such people in the South for twenty years, I believe that many there would make similar admissions if they felt safe enough to. It takes some courage to step out of a comfortable blanket of false teachings about civil war culture, racial superiority and white privilege.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
86. In addition, there are some people who can't stand
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 09:18 AM
Dec 2013

the reality that it is only a matter of time before the whites join the ranks of the minority. Those are the people who will fight that kicking and screaming all the way. Perhaps they feel that they (or their descendents) will be treated as they have treated others?

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
12. They're racist
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:12 PM
Dec 2013

My stepmother's mother was from the city that started the KKK up again in the 20th c. in the south. I never really liked my stepmom or her family, but mostly I just tried to go along and get along until I didn't have to be around them.

anyway, when her mother got ill, she had to go to the hosp. and, there, she freaked out about the black nurses who were caring for her. she was afraid of them and would hide from them.

I see it like a form of mental illness.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
15. Yes it's real, and yes it's weird, but I don't think that it should make you paranoid too.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:15 PM
Dec 2013

The weird thing about the popular perception that we're in more danger each year, is the fact that it's 180° from the truth.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
16. People like that live in their own little world
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:21 PM
Dec 2013

They feed off others just like themselves.
What a waste to not enjoy other customs, nationalities. There is so much lost that could be enjoyable.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. That lighthearted little musical digs deep into racism.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 08:23 PM
Dec 2013

Between the "Wash That Man Right Outta My Hair" and the "Nothing like a Dame" there's an important lesson on what used to be called "tolerance" (unfortunately, too many people nowadays think that word just means "put up with"--they don't appreciate the other meanings).

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
18. I think I see your problem. A problem that I carried for a long time myself.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:39 PM
Dec 2013

You think you're seeing a trend in some white people. I saw it that way as well.

I used to see crap like that and think exactly the same way. I was upset one day at a similar circumstance and vented on my girl that night. She called me silly. That guy is a dick, but your focusing on the negative. How many other white people there could give two shits what color your skin is?

She made me think about it and she was right. I had a bad experience with one person. And one person does not the whole make. This happened to you twice. Two whole times. How many white people have you encountered in NC? If it's less than two, then I'd say you have a point. My guess is you've encountered far more than two.

Next time you go out pay attention to those who are indifferent, like you're just some other schmuk on the bus. Pay attention to those who say "hi", "excuse me", or just "please and thank you". How many folks are not afraid to make contact when giving or receiving change at the store, or ask for directions.

I'll wage that the indifferent, or those who have no issue with interacting with you, far outweighs those who are afraid or won't. That my friend is where the trend is and every passing day it gets better.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
45. Appropos of that, I work in an
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:41 PM
Dec 2013

African American community, and I am white. One day I was late coming back from lunch and kind of anxious about getting back. I was walking fast, and I guess I was a little jumpy at the cross-walk waiting for the light to turn so I could get back to work, and this guy comes up from behind me and says to me, "Don't worry, I'm not going to hurt you."

He was thinking that my edginess was because of his being near me. But I hadn't even noticed him, and if I had, I certainly wouldn't have concluded that he was going to hurt me.

It made me wonder who said what to him in the past.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
19. Fox has them scared of black people
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:43 PM
Dec 2013

I haven't seen so much fear in the hearts of white people in a long time. Now the "knockout game" has them convinced that some gang is going to just jump out of nowhere and punch them out.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
57. Not to mention the "MORE GUNZ EVERYWHERE" rhetoric. It's downright pathological, really.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:15 PM
Dec 2013

Mind you, I really have nothing against gun ownership in itself. But the fact that the proportion of gun-owning Americans has declined, while the per capita number of firearms has increased, seems to suggest something not so nice - paranoia or worse - about a segment of the populace.

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
28. The woman wasn't scared of you harming her, she was scared of minorities getting healthcare. LOL
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 05:30 PM
Dec 2013

Okay, that was terrible I know, but in all fairness I was born in North Carolina and lived there for a number of years so I can crack on North Carolinians. (Dad was Air Force, went back in high school).

The right wing media does propagate the notion that minorities will harm whites given the chance. Next time just smile and say hello. People fear the unknown, mostly out of ignorance. I think the folks who constantly gin up the fear are scared to death whites and blacks will get to know one another and realize we have much more in common than we previously thought.

mstinamotorcity2

(1,451 posts)
29. If thats all you have gotten then count yourself lucky.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 05:40 PM
Dec 2013

Some of our pink friends just don't understand. Its okay. Since the rise of a false generic so called tea party republicans. Who are merely nothing but the Money Arm of the right wing. They are doing the bidding of people they can never please. People who have enticed them into voting against their own self interest. You have some Dems who follow the same meme. This branch of the party has more money than they know what to do with. They purchase think tanks and lobbying firms and whole economic departments at colleges, Supreme court Justices and their spouses, to get the point across that rich people should stay rich. And they will use race, class, gender, and ignorance to get their point across. Those that are based in fact don't give a rats ass what color you are. When you take the high road in those type settings, it shows valor and responsibility. I have found the best way to handle it is to not be what they expect. Tell Grandma time to get headphones or a book to pass the time while waiting to be serviced at appointments. Believe it or not I take repug reading material just to see the looks.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
30. Some white people live in a bubble that is so cut off from reality
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 05:41 PM
Dec 2013

They're fed racist propaganda from Faux Newz, Drudge and Limbaugh. They hardly know any black people personally.

As a poster mentioned up thread, violent crime has been going down, but these people have been brainwashed to live in fear of blacks, Mexicans, Muslims etc....

Many cower in fear and clutch their guns as they go to bed at night.

It's really very pathetic. The whole world is laughing at them.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
34. A lot of white people were convinced
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 06:10 PM
Dec 2013

that a skinny kid minding his own business carrying Skittles was a thug who went around killing people with concrete and overpowered a large man trained in martial arts.

And now several unrelated incidents of unprovoked violence have been intentionally linked and given a name ("The Knockout Game) with similar incidents by white people not discussed, to again paint young African American men quite generally as thugs who run around killing people they don't know or think anything of.

So yeah, now all young African American men are considered suspect at all times. It is unfair and a real shame - and I mean "shame" not as in "it's kind of sad" but as in the sense that it is something our country should be ashamed of.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
37. They have also been told recently that poor minorities will now have healthcare too
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 06:41 PM
Dec 2013

and will be clogging up her poor doctors practice and she will have to wait on long lines to get her "blood pressure pills" and she probably never noticed people of color in the office before now!

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
38. In her mind ...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 06:44 PM
Dec 2013

... she avoids you so that she won't get hurt.

Then, when she does not get hurt, she attributes that to her actions, not yours.

It works like an obsessive-compulsive behavior disorder.

The person performs a specific behavior to prevent a very unlikely event. The behavior does nothing to prevent the rare event, but in their mind, it works.

The bad thing did not happen. Which reinforces the behavior.

REP

(21,691 posts)
40. This reminds me of Burma Jones on the streetcar in 'A Confederacy of Dunces'
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 06:54 PM
Dec 2013

Jones, of course,,was just minding his own business when he noticed an older white woman clutching her purse and recoiling in fear from him. The inner monologue Toole wrote for Jones is both hilarious and sad.

A Confederacy of Dunces was written in 1963. It's a shame, but somehow not surprising, that this still happens though I am hopeful that those two people were a very small percentage of the white people you've encountered ... despite all evidence, I still believe most people aren't totally bad

Lydia Leftcoast

(48,217 posts)
41. Some people are racist AND ninnies at the same time
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:00 PM
Dec 2013

The first time I encountered it was during grad school, when I and two friends rented an upper duplex in a racially mixed neighborhood. One summer evening, we invited a bunch of friends over for dinner, and I found one of them in the library and started walking back to the house with him.

There was an African-American family living a couple of doors before our duplex, and as we approached, we could see the father and son of that family washing their car in the driveway.

My friend stopped short. "Shouldn't we walk on the other side of the street?"

I didn't get what he was saying at first, and I said, "Why?"

"You know," he said, "and gestured with his head.

"Those are my neighbors, silly."

But he actually looked scared as we walked past the driveway, as if the father and approximately twelve-year-old son were going to come after us with knives.

Later, I told someone else about this, and he asked, "Where is the guy from?"

I named the town.

"White flight suburb," he said. "Big time."

Years later, while living in Portland, I had a personals date with a guy from the far-southwest suburbs. He wanted me to come to his suburb, but I was living without a car, and he lived beyond the reach of Tri-Met, so he came to downtown Portland.

We met in a coffee shop and discussed which restaurant to go to. The restaurant was along the MAX (light rail) line, and as we were walking, he suddenly stopped. "Let's cross the street," he said nervously. Again, that head gesture.

I looked up ahead, and there were a group of black teenagers waiting at the MAX stop. By choice, I've lived in cities as much as possible, so I had enough street smarts to know that these were just

"You can cross the street if you want, but the restaurant is on this side," and I walked on ahead.

I had already decided that I didn't like this particular date (he had the flattest affect I've ever seen, not in an Asperger's way, but in his own unique way) , but that really clinched it.

So those were my two major adventures with racist ninnies.

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
43. I remember years ago driving across Northern California and Nevada with my African-American friend
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:04 PM
Dec 2013

Eugene - Now, Eugene was not a very threatening looking person - at least as far as I could imagine. In fact he was slightly effete and perhaps some might even say "mildly effeminate." But still when we would stop in little towns to buy some stuff or eat or even take a brief look of some tourist sights - I quickly noticed a fair number of people would acts nervous and even a little bit scared. But Eugene seemed to have been used to it and barely noticed. After a couple days of this - it really, really started to get on my nerves and blurted out how fed up I was with all these ignorant hicks and hillbillies. Eugene was amazingly understanding, and answered back to me, "Not everyone can live in some upscale multi-cultural neighborhood of some major city somewhere, you know. A lot of these people want to be good people. Sometimes I think a lot of this racism stuff is just one big - enormous misunderstanding." Well maybe, some of it is.

PDittie

(8,322 posts)
59. I don't know why white people are so afraid.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:22 PM
Dec 2013

Speaking as a lily white guy raised in the South, this state of mind is perplexing to me also.

The only thing I can ascribe it to is ignorance. This circumstance is barely less dangerous than malicious intent, unfortunately. Travel safely and with full awareness as to your situation. I am sorry you must do so, but it is the world in which we live.

Adam-Bomb

(90 posts)
63. um...you're overreacting
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:47 PM
Dec 2013

I live in the middle of NC; raised but not born here.

I, and most of the folks around here, black and white, have been
around each other our whole lives and get along just fine. We
went to the same schools, work the same jobs, and have pretty much
the same upbringing. Nobody is scared of anyone's color and we resent
the HELL out of being lectured by outsider's who REALLY should look at
the race relations in their own Northern s**tholes before they make baseless
accusations about other regions.

Are there bad eggs? Dern right; watch the news and read the paper. There
are bad people of every race, gender and age out there, EVERYWHERE.

Everyday people down here are invariably kind and polite to each other; I see
it every single day, everywhere I go.

Sorry for the mini rant; this is a sore point of mine (and a lot of other Southerners, too).

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
82. I don't think it should be thought of as specific to NC
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 08:47 AM
Dec 2013

I'm in Michigan and there is lots of racism here as well. It absolutely isn't just an issue in the south.

flvegan

(64,408 posts)
67. Twice is a trend now?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:55 PM
Dec 2013

You've given a chronology of once. A white woman, allegedly. Based on your grandmother's reaction. Not yours. So maybe, not what you're noticing, but what you've been told once. Maybe twice.

Care to try again?

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
68. Hang on a minute. Could you be a little more specific, please?
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:58 PM
Dec 2013

I really don't want to wade into this, and you might see why in a few, but I can't help myself because there's now a thread about how racist and scared white people are, based on an extremely vague second-hand description of a perceived incident.

I don't doubt your sincerity, but you provided very few details.

How did the other woman act? What did she do? Did she say something? Was it your grandmother's impression that the woman acted scared? How did she act scared?

And why do you extrapolate that to ask why all white people are scared? Scared of what?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
98. what is this "all white people" bullshit? she said "some" and I "don't doubt" you actually knew that
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:17 PM
Dec 2013

when you posted this nonsense.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
113. Bullshit. From the OP:
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:56 PM
Dec 2013

"My question is why are white people so dang afraid all the time?"

Show me the word, "some."

And my reply referenced the thread, which contains posts that do call all white people racist, and scared, and ...?

Wtf?

Btw, the OP hasn't bothered to respond to ANY posts in this thread.

You've been had.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
118. You know...
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 03:38 PM
Dec 2013

Seeing people contort themselves into pretzles to try to spin the glaringly obvious into something it is not reminds me of how a child who wishes to continue to play outside might argue that it isn't raining, all the while wiping the raindrops from his face.

Want to malign an entire race of people? Here, have this extremely vague account of a second hand impression of a perceived undefined action of a stranger, and knock yourself out. Don't let reality or logic or common sense intrude.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
120. The OP and thread disprove your posts.
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 11:03 PM
Dec 2013

It's right there in black and white. Despite the example I gave from the OP which does NOT say "some," and the clear broad-brush statements that fill this thread, despite the fact that it is all right there, clear as day, you think you can spin that reality into something other than what it is.

Sorry, bettyellen, that might have worked yesterday, and it might work tomorrow, but today, not so much.

 

Decaffeinated

(556 posts)
69. Could just be a case of seeing what you expect...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:17 PM
Dec 2013

And in any case, a few people don't speak for an entire ethnicity...

KentuckyWoman

(6,685 posts)
73. Wow...just wow
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 01:28 AM
Dec 2013

A whole thread of what's wrong with all the whities. One sitting in a doctor's office acts a little goofy so naturally this means all the whities in America are afraid of black dudes.

14 recs. WOW

Notafraidtoo

(402 posts)
81. Ok troll i will play along
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 07:56 AM
Dec 2013

You have poor reading comprehension because this post doesn't say that, so either one you are a conservative seeing what you want to see or two just a racist.

Even if what you said was being said here ( and it isn't) let me teach you a little about white privilege and i will do it in such a way even you can understand it.

Imagine you are apart of the best basketball team in the country lets call them Team A, your team has been in the top 20 for a generation, you get all the recruits, you have the best record for the past 40 years, all the great coaches want to work with you, you have all the advantages.

Then imagine a team that has had a losing record for a generation lets call them Team B most people have never even heard of this team, the school is small, they get few alumni donations and no decent players or coaches want to play for them due to lack of exposure and low income chances.

Team B gets a chance to play team A and before the game during a local press conference because lets face it this would not be a important game to anyone but team B some member's of this team starting calling team A chumps and weak and that they were losers, do you think Team A would take that serious? do you think they would be offended?.

Now if the opposite happened Team A starting calling team B chumps and losers saying they were going to kill them wouldn't you think that cruel? and unnecessary considering the spread would likely be 30 points, of coarse team A is going to kill team B.


Moral of the story even if what you said was true and its not, you are like Team A being upset at Team B, very foolish and unaware.




KentuckyWoman

(6,685 posts)
87. Not Post - THREAD
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 09:19 AM
Dec 2013

It is surreal to me that we can simultaneously be having a celebration of the life and work of Mr. Nelson Mandela and then have a THREAD like this with numerous "don't trust whitey" posts that go unchallenged.

Yes some whites are racists. I'd even say most whites tend to at least be prejudiced even when they don't feel superior to other racial groups.

Yes racism is still institutionalized in this country and must be changed. Too many whites who aren't racist are selfish though. They sit by and take the privileges of being white while letting too much crap in this society slide by that hurts everyone else.

The original post may have attempted to open that discussion. The thread was utterly failing to do so and quite frankly I'm surprised that many broad brush posts were left unchallenged by long time DUer members. I'm a noob - noobs can't go up against a whole blessed thread without being labelled a troll. I'd rather take the abuse than leave a thread that could be useful sit there and wallow in "don't trust whitey" posts.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
96. "Don't trust whitey" posts?
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 02:53 PM
Dec 2013

Are you serious? I see nothing even remotely like that.

If people have generalized, it would be more like "white people . . . " instead of "some white people . . ." but it would have nothing to do with trusting white people or not.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
92. Pretty crazy, aiin't it?
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 02:26 PM
Dec 2013

Some don't need fact or logic or reality, they're primed and ready to call an entire race of people racist and scared, among other things, at the drop of a hat, seemingly oblivious to their own hypocrisy.

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
74. I've had this theory for quite a while...
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 01:29 AM
Dec 2013

… People truly fear what they do not understand. They can't connect with someone who doesn't look like them if they have never been introduced to the world by their own parents and extended family.

Warpy

(111,270 posts)
76. Shows like "Cops" are doing the deed, I'm afraid
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 01:44 AM
Dec 2013

because their black bad guys vastly outnumber the white bad guys.

It's a shame that so many people are afraid for no reason.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
100. Really
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:24 PM
Dec 2013

Drunken shirtless rednecks are far more dangerous than the average black man. As an old white lady, I must admit to sometimes being scared of men when I'm out and about, but whether or not they frighten me has to do with their dress and mannerisms rather than their color.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
79. You're scared because a person is scared of another person who,
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 03:29 AM
Dec 2013

Last edited Sun Dec 8, 2013, 02:42 PM - Edit history (1)

according to another person, might be scared of her?

Yeah, that's pretty scary.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
114. This thread is insane.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:59 PM
Dec 2013

What the hell are people talking about?

"white people are racist!"

"white people are bla bla bla."

Imagine, just try to visualize, what would happen if a poster posted the very same OP, but with the races reversed. Oh, the hypocrisy here sometimes...

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
78. Depends on the situation I guess.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 03:09 AM
Dec 2013

If a big, aggressive or belligerent dude with a Mike Tyson tat on his face sat down and gave me the evil eye, I'd be scared too.


In nearly any other case, everyone gets a glance, then I'm back to the whatever app on my phone is currently holding my interest.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
85. I have to admitt that White people in the US seem to be afraid of everything
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 09:11 AM
Dec 2013

They have just about lost all reasoning ability because of their total loss of being secure. The average white person seems to be afraid of government minorities etc. It is to a point that you cannot even hold a reasonable conversation with them.

Butterbean

(1,014 posts)
91. Depends on where in NC you are, quite frankly.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:44 AM
Dec 2013

I'm in the "blue bubble" of Durham/Chapel Hill, so I tend to not see that so much. Although I definitely hear about how horrible/awful/scary/crime-ridden Durham is all the time from outsiders, which of course is code for "OMG LOTS OF SCARY MINORITIES LIVE THERE." If you step outside to other areas of the state that aren't so...um.....liberally inclined...you're gonna encounter attitudes like that, unfortunately.

One of my best friend's mother is so afraid of any minority it's just ridiculous. She lives in one of the outlying rural areas. She is just to-the-bone terrified of all minorities and convinced they are all out to get her. It's ridiculous, and it's absolutely ingrained in her tiny little brain and unchangeable at this point unfortunately.

I don't know how it feels to be in your body and to have experienced what you've experienced. I'm very sorry that happened to you, but please know that all of NC isn't like that, really and truly.

ladyVet

(1,587 posts)
107. I'm in a very non-liberal rural area, and I'm not seeing stuff like this.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:50 PM
Dec 2013

Lots of "minorities" around, in fact whites are probably outnumbered here in the boonies.

Butterbean

(1,014 posts)
112. Where I work and where my friend's mom lives
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 08:45 PM
Dec 2013

I see this attitude a lot. The Obama bashing is quite hearty also. Obama has been literally called the anti-Christ by quite a few people around me. It gets interesting, to say the least.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
93. I don't notice it so much here in Baltimore.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 02:36 PM
Dec 2013

Racism is common in Baltimore, but I just don't see a lot of fear of the sort you are talking about. I have seen more of that in less diverse cities.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
105. I think it's just what you are used to. I grew up in a racially mixed....
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:43 PM
Dec 2013

town over 50 years ago and the difference in the way people look barely registers with me. The large Black population was middle and upper middle class just like the Whites so it was mostly a cultural and style thing. We didn't have much of a racial divide but it was a very liberal town.

It's just a matter of time before people get over it. The straggler's kids are already color blind.

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lightcameron

(224 posts)
117. Sounds more like paranoia on your part.
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 11:45 AM
Dec 2013

Maybe justified, maybe not, but you might want to also consider how you and your grandmother viewed that lady. Perception is a two-way street.

OwnedByCats

(805 posts)
122. I'm white and grew up in a town that was 99.9% white
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:49 AM
Dec 2013

Only 2 African Americans in my entire school. I don't fear them, even though I didn't grow up around them. I guess that's because I was never taught to be afraid of them. I had no examples around me of fear. So I'm guessing that in other parts of the country, depending on one's family influences, there is fear. Why I don't know - ignorance I guess. Maybe some had a bad experience with an African American. However I've always been a believer that it's not the color, but content of character. If a white person was sneaking around my property, I'd be just as scared as I would be if they were black. If someone is a bad person, color makes no difference to me. Good and bad people in every race.

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