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I was wrong about Global Warming, it's freezin here (Original Post) itsrobert Dec 2013 OP
It's balmy here...back into double digits, I was over-dressed for getting "the tree" HereSince1628 Dec 2013 #1
Shame on you for believing in science! murielm99 Dec 2013 #2
Hey neighbor, the two conures are getting under covers nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #3
Ah, but it's NOT freezing in Alaska. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #4
Which is the same thing. Igel Dec 2013 #6
Funny you would say Perth. Blue_In_AK Dec 2013 #8
Arctic Oscillation. Igel Dec 2013 #5
85 in Central Florida mcar Dec 2013 #7

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
1. It's balmy here...back into double digits, I was over-dressed for getting "the tree"
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:38 PM
Dec 2013

It was right near zero when I put out the garbage after breakfast, so I got out my arctic down parka...bad choice for tree-whacking.

I ended up having to leave it unzipped and unbuttoned to keep from sweating.




murielm99

(30,745 posts)
2. Shame on you for believing in science!
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 03:55 PM
Dec 2013

It was about 12 degrees here when I woke up. Now it is 19. Brrrr!

Igel

(35,320 posts)
6. Which is the same thing.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:58 PM
Dec 2013

Rather like saying, "The Sun's rising in Perth, Australia." Rather implies that the Sun's setting in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
8. Funny you would say Perth.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 05:20 PM
Dec 2013

My son-in-law is from there and he and the family are over there visiting for a couple of months. As a matter of fact, the sun is just rising over there. It's clear and 63 degrees. Sounds nice.

Igel

(35,320 posts)
5. Arctic Oscillation.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 04:54 PM
Dec 2013

It was centered more west for a while. Everybody got used to warmer winters--and said that it's westward shift was a sign of global warming. That was probably not a useful statement--sort of post-hoc reasoning there based on lack of information.

This is historically not uncommon. Texas citrus was periodically nixed by freezes--it's why citrus production moved to California and TX stopped being a citrus co-capital with Florida.

We tend to have short-term memories and tend to be very, very conservative when it comes to weather. It used to snow enough where I grew up that one year when my father could cut the grass on Xmas it shocked everybody. Usually we'd be out sledding a bunch of times every winter. Friends would routinely go skating on some ponds in the woods. Thirty years later after a rare snowstorm my mother could declare that it never used to snow there--it seldom froze more than a day or two--and everybody would nod in agreement, the implication of my battered sled hanging in the garage notwithstanding.


NOAA doesn't include AO in its projections ... yet. Mostly because it's hard to predict. The group that says it found a way of predicting it scored in the last few years with predictions far more accurate than NOAA's, but this year waffled--there were two important predictors that until this year were always in agreement but this year gave different predictions.

The AO's history was still being reconstructed based on proxies when I read up on it years ago. It wasn't recognized until a few decades ago and not considered a big deal until more recently--when it shifted east again. It's likely responsible for the cold spell we had in the winters in the 1940s into the '60s s and the warmer winter weather we had in the '70s through the '90s. Everybody wants to interpret it as part of the immediate global climate change threat, just as they want to do the same with the return of drier conditions to the American SW after a prolonged wet spell and as they wanted to do with ENSO and hurricane intensity. As soon as a regular, recurring pattern is self-servingly interpreted to be part a unidirectional change instead of something superimposed on the unidirectional change it bodes poorly for PR.

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