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marmar

(77,081 posts)
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:34 PM Dec 2013

Walmart Is Not the Bargain You Might Think


Walmart Is Not the Bargain You Might Think

Saturday, 07 December 2013 00:00
By Maura Stephens, Truthout | Op-Ed


People flock to Walmart for perceived bargains and convenience. Here are some facts that might keep them from adding their hard-earned cash to the profits of a company that's squashing lives and worker rights worldwide.


Next time someone tells you they shop at Walmart because it's cheap or convenient, share this.

Despite 1,500 protests nationwide against Walmart, the world's biggest retailer claimed its most lucrative Black Friday ever in 2013. Our friends and neighbors flock there.

They do - even those who have seen mom-and-pop stores shut down when Walmart moved into town, who miss being able to pick up one or two items and be out of a store in 10 minutes, who personally know Walmart employees relying on food stamps and who have heard how much money the Walton family continues to accumulate.

Walmart is the poster child for how huge corporations have undermined people's ability to make a living. It does this by sending manufacturing abroad to countries where labor is cheap, at the same time paying its own employees less than a living wage, using other unfair labor practices in numerous locations in the United States, and undercutting locally owned enterprises right out of business. It harms Main Streets and local commerce centers across the country and further drives people to malls. .....................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/20440-walmart-is-not-the-bargain-you-might-think-it-is



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Walmart Is Not the Bargain You Might Think (Original Post) marmar Dec 2013 OP
I would close down all Walmart or revamp it Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2013 #1
I despise Walmart with every fiber of my being. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #2
Haven't been there in 2 years and mdbl Dec 2013 #3
Many, if not most here... 99Forever Dec 2013 #4
I go there for one reason and I'm not ashamed of it hobbit709 Dec 2013 #8
Considering that almost every retailer... 99Forever Dec 2013 #10
$9 as opposed tp $50, I've looked. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #13
"Looked" and ASKED for a price match... 99Forever Dec 2013 #15
It's easy to get on a moral high horse when you're not in a bad position. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #18
It's also quite easy to play victim... 99Forever Dec 2013 #19
That's kind of mean. HappyMe Dec 2013 #20
What's your excuse for... 99Forever Dec 2013 #21
lol! Please. HappyMe Dec 2013 #23
Pot... 99Forever Dec 2013 #24
Even you hobbit709 Dec 2013 #28
I neither work for Walmart nor ever shop there. 99Forever Dec 2013 #31
You're still posting on something made by oppressed labor in China. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #33
If standing with our fellow working Brothers and Sisters... 99Forever Dec 2013 #35
My response to being called that is as follows: hobbit709 Dec 2013 #36
Isn't that special? 99Forever Dec 2013 #38
Cut and paste. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #41
I'm funny... 99Forever Dec 2013 #42
I bet you're one of those people that bring great joy whenever they leave the room. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #43
How very original. 99Forever Dec 2013 #44
Just like you. At least I'm not 4 out of 5. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #45
Why can't the VA send more? We sure have plenty of money for war profiteers... polichick Dec 2013 #37
You tell me and we'll both know. hobbit709 Dec 2013 #39
Well, I'm glad you're getting those meds! Don't get the limit on test strips. polichick Dec 2013 #40
The Walmart brand? I have a friend who tried them and kept getting incorrect readings. progressoid Dec 2013 #47
The ones I use are consistently 15 points lower than the Accucheck meter hobbit709 Dec 2013 #48
I am sure you changed the poster's mind etherealtruth Dec 2013 #26
Hey, what the fuck, right? 99Forever Dec 2013 #27
LOL ... you are very funny! etherealtruth Dec 2013 #29
You think that how Walmart walks on their employees is funny? 99Forever Dec 2013 #32
No (LOL), I think your inability to communicate effectively and sanctimony is hysterical etherealtruth Dec 2013 #34
Sure the mom and pop stores cant compete but they also were not exactly paying top dollar themselves cstanleytech Dec 2013 #5
Walmart sets the bar. As the largest competitor, other smaller businesses have to trim costs Fla Dem Dec 2013 #22
I have not shopped in a Walmart in over a decade now. SheilaT Dec 2013 #6
I do the shopping in the family ellie Dec 2013 #7
It's the most convenient place for me to shop. CFLDem Dec 2013 #9
If you have a Kroger nearby, their prices rival Walmart. RebelOne Dec 2013 #11
I have publix CFLDem Dec 2013 #12
I shop at Kroger and Target etherealtruth Dec 2013 #25
That's my experience, too. Ralph's (what Kroger is called in SoCal) has incredible prices BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #30
The only time I ever shop at Stater Bros. is when the UFCW workers go on strike. Codeine Dec 2013 #46
+1000 eom BlueCaliDem Dec 2013 #49
Plus they sell shoddy goods on purpose vinny9698 Dec 2013 #14
du rec. xchrom Dec 2013 #16
Until Americans stop voting against themselves - at the polls and... polichick Dec 2013 #17
Cheap is always more expensive. Always has been, still hasn't changed. Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #50

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
3. Haven't been there in 2 years and
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:23 PM
Dec 2013

don't plan on ever going there again. Wal Mart business practices lowered the standard of living in America. They didn't save you or me enough money to justify that.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
4. Many, if not most here...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:28 PM
Dec 2013

.. are well aware of the kind of business practices that the 1%er Waltons use.

If you are still giving ANY business to Walmart or Sam's Club , you should be damned well ashamed of yourself.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
8. I go there for one reason and I'm not ashamed of it
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:46 PM
Dec 2013

Their brand of glucose test strips are $9 for a box of 50. The VA sends me a box of 50 Accucheck strips every three months. That's not enough even to test yourself once a day. No one else even comes close on that price. When you get $938/mo SS you buy what you can afford.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
10. Considering that almost every retailer...
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 11:59 PM
Dec 2013

... will do price matching, especially with documentation, perhaps you can relieve yourself of that "one reason" for feeding the beast that is killing this nation.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
13. $9 as opposed tp $50, I've looked.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 02:00 AM
Dec 2013

you can send me the $50 a month to be PC or you can keep quiet. At $938 a month income I will keep buying them.
I don't care what you or anyone else thinks.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
15. "Looked" and ASKED for a price match...
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:12 AM
Dec 2013

.. are two very different things. Almost every major retailer does price matching. Period.

And no, I won't "keep quiet," if someone is too lazy and self-centered to make the minimum effort to help their struggling fellow human beings I WILL say my piece. It's quite obvious you "don't care" what anyone thinks of you.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
18. It's easy to get on a moral high horse when you're not in a bad position.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:26 AM
Dec 2013

When you're scraping by you do what you have to do to survive. I learned that at a very early age.

I know who and what I am, that's why others' opinions of me mean nothing-especially yours.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
19. It's also quite easy to play victim...
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:31 AM
Dec 2013

... even when there's a way to not to be one.

Excuses, everybody has one.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
20. That's kind of mean.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:34 AM
Dec 2013

You really don't know jack about the other poster's circumstances.

What's your excuse for treating a diabetic like crap to make your precious point?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
21. What's your excuse for...
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:38 AM
Dec 2013

... not supporting a living wage and decent benefits for Walmart employees? You know nothing of their circumstances.

That's kind of mean.

HappyMe

(20,277 posts)
23. lol! Please.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:41 AM
Dec 2013

I support a living wage for everyone. How you got that out of what I said, I'll never know.

I worked at WalMart when I lived in WI. So.....

Are you going to answer my question?

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
31. I neither work for Walmart nor ever shop there.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:42 AM
Dec 2013

By doing so, I avoid being part of the problem. I also joined with Walmart employees in protest on Thanksgiving Day. If you have any suggestions as to what further I can personally do to be part of the solution, instead of part of the problem, speak up, I'm all ears.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
33. You're still posting on something made by oppressed labor in China.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:46 AM
Dec 2013

I don't pretend moral superiority at what I do.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
35. If standing with our fellow working Brothers and Sisters...
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:58 AM
Dec 2013

... for economic justice is what you consider "pretend(ing) moral superiority" then I'll proudly wear that label.

I much prefer that to being a sniveling, whimpering, sheeple.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
38. Isn't that special?
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 12:20 PM
Dec 2013

You've learned how to cut and paste and use emoticons as an insult as brutal as I might expect from an angry adolescent. Got any more terrible, gut wrenching digital slams I should be all askeeeeered of?

Good grief, how lame can you get?

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
41. Cut and paste.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 12:25 PM
Dec 2013

All you have to is go the smileys tab on the post screen.

the other poster was right-you ARE funny.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
44. How very original.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 12:36 PM
Dec 2013

Gonna start with the Peewee Herman quotes next?

Keep on supporting those Waltons, they just love people like you. Who gives a crap how many people get walked on in the process, as long as YOU get yours? Right?

polichick

(37,152 posts)
37. Why can't the VA send more? We sure have plenty of money for war profiteers...
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 12:12 PM
Dec 2013

So sad how low this country has sunk!

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
39. You tell me and we'll both know.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 12:23 PM
Dec 2013

As it is I get about $700 worth of meds a month for $0 so I can't complain too much

progressoid

(49,991 posts)
47. The Walmart brand? I have a friend who tried them and kept getting incorrect readings.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 04:23 PM
Dec 2013

Her doc told her that he had heard from other patients that they too had unreliable readings. I think she said they were too high.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
48. The ones I use are consistently 15 points lower than the Accucheck meter
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 05:34 PM
Dec 2013

Every time I cross checked them over the last 4 years. I use Reli-on Prime

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
26. I am sure you changed the poster's mind
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:54 AM
Dec 2013

People are often influenced by sanctimonious self important asses.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
27. Hey, what the fuck, right?
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:26 AM
Dec 2013

Who gives a shit if the largest retailer on the planet pays shit wages to their people and dumps a large portion of paying for their basic human needs on the general public, as long as YOU can get cheap Chinese junk and the Waltons can add a few hundred Billion$$$$$ to their pile, right?

After all, it is all about YOU.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
32. You think that how Walmart walks on their employees is funny?
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:45 AM
Dec 2013

And how they dump paying for the basic human needs of them is a joke?

That's pretty sad.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
34. No (LOL), I think your inability to communicate effectively and sanctimony is hysterical
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:50 AM
Dec 2013

I have no desire to discuss other issues as they are overshadowed by your inability to communicate in any productive manner.

Is your delivery an attempt to draw attention to yourself (vs an issue you claim to hold important)? Negative attention is attention.

Have a lovely day and thank you, again.

cstanleytech

(26,293 posts)
5. Sure the mom and pop stores cant compete but they also were not exactly paying top dollar themselves
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:33 PM
Dec 2013

either.
Perfect example where I am is the local IGA is the nearest store unless you want to travel 30 minutes to walmart and their prices are alot higher on many items that are cheaper at walmart and I know for a fact that they pay just as bad as walmart does so the problem isnt really walmart its that alot businesses in general just dont give a damn if their employees can earn enough to live on.

Fla Dem

(23,690 posts)
22. Walmart sets the bar. As the largest competitor, other smaller businesses have to trim costs
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:39 AM
Dec 2013

and raise prices to keep the doors open. Unfortunately people will go the extra 30 miles for the cheaper goods, so eventually the small stores close. That's the Walmart effect.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
6. I have not shopped in a Walmart in over a decade now.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:35 PM
Dec 2013

The quality had declined a lot, so I simply stopped going.

In recent years I've had the chance to do some small price-checking, and no surprise, what I checked was cheaper elsewhere.

ellie

(6,929 posts)
7. I do the shopping in the family
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 10:40 PM
Dec 2013

and WalMart is not cheaper than King Soopers generally. Cleaning supplies, for example, are pretty much the same price at both places and Target, too. I think their produce looks sketchy, as does Target's. King Soopers has the best produce. King Soopers has better sales and I like their house brands. Of course if WalMart is the only place to shop in town then you are at their mercy.

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
11. If you have a Kroger nearby, their prices rival Walmart.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 12:23 AM
Dec 2013

My local Kroger is almost around the corner from my house, and I would not shop anywhere else.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
12. I have publix
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 12:30 AM
Dec 2013

and their prices are noticeably higher. Plus I'm a very eclectic shopper and Walmart just has everything I need under one roof.

And as a bonus, I'm polluting less by shopping at one place instead of many.

I feel bad about the low wages, but that's my government's fault for not setting a higher minimum wage or forcing Walmart to pay for the welfare spending it induces.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
25. I shop at Kroger and Target
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:52 AM
Dec 2013

though I don't shop at Walmart ... my understanding is that the Kroger food prices are as low 9if not lower) than Walmart's and the shopping experience is far better.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
30. That's my experience, too. Ralph's (what Kroger is called in SoCal) has incredible prices
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 11:35 AM
Dec 2013

and sales, and they have an excellent produce section and selection that sells organic (dandelion for my tortoises) and European (kale, Belgium endive, etc.) produce at great prices! And I LOVE Ralph's own-brand roast beef. The best in the country! Plus the people there are so friendly that I know most of the cashiers by name and they know mine.

I rarely go to Target unless I need carpet cleaning fluid or Purex Crystals for the laundry, and I never go to WalMart. My husband hating the place helps. Plenty of $1 Stores and 99cent Stores not to have to ever go there where they try everything to keep you longer in the store as possible to purchase more.

There's also a State Bros close by, but their selection is mediocre and the people there are so freaking cranky all the time that it's no fun shopping there. Plus their fresh bakery doesn't offer the variety of fresh bread and baked goods that Ralph's does.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
46. The only time I ever shop at Stater Bros. is when the UFCW workers go on strike.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 01:36 PM
Dec 2013

Stater's makes the rather obvious decision to honor whatever contract is eventually agreed on by the rest of the companies, so they don't get struck and their business goes through the roof. Then as soon as the strike is over I'm back in my Ralph's and happy again. Stater's is great for traditional meat-and-potatoes family stuff, but we don't eat that way, so we need the wider selection that Ralph's carries.

vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
14. Plus they sell shoddy goods on purpose
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 09:30 AM
Dec 2013

It is called planned obsolescence. I buy tennis shoes from Wal Mart, at the end of three months the glued parts separate. When I was a teenager, a pair of sneakers would last until the soles wore out, not till the glue fell apart. I have yet to buy a pair of tennis shoes from any source where I had to replace them because I wore a hole in the sole.

polichick

(37,152 posts)
17. Until Americans stop voting against themselves - at the polls and...
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 10:20 AM
Dec 2013

with their dollars, not a lot will change.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
50. Cheap is always more expensive. Always has been, still hasn't changed.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 06:11 PM
Dec 2013

You've got people right here openly demonstrating their failure to understand even this simple lesson.

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