Sea World dissed by Joan Jett.

[Baitball Blogger]

Joan Jett to SeaWorld: Stop playing 'I Love Rock 'n' Roll'

The list of musicians protesting SeaWorld Orlando practices continues to grow. PETA says that rocker Joan Jett sent a letter to SeaWorld president Jim Atchison asking that her hit "I Love Rock 'n' Roll" be removed from the theme park's "Shamu Rocks" killer-whale show.

The recent "Blackfish" documentary, which is critical of the park's treament of orca whales, played a role her request.

"I'm among the millions who saw 'Blackfish' and am sickened that my music was blasted without my permission at sound-sensitive marine mammals," the letter says.

Jett calls for the park to release the animals to coastal sanctuaries. "This move would show that your company is truly family-friendly," the letter says.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/travel/blogs/theme-park-rangers/os-joan-jett-seaworld-shamu-20131209,0,767816.post

[Aerows]

1. Joan Jett always has

and always will kick ass and be a beautiful human being.

[zappaman]

4. Plus 100! N/t

[1000words]

10. Had a crush on her as a teen.

Her "Do You Want to Touch Me?" video made quite an impression.

[Aerows]

12. You and me both

My first thought was "Oh, Hell yes."

[Ichingcarpenter]

14. Joan Jett and Debbie Harry.....

who couldn't get the hots for them

[Aerows]

15. Joan Jett was just amazing

but "I'd turn down Debbie Harry" said no nubile lesbian, ever.

[Tikki]

54. Joanie, Debbie, David (Buster) and Joey….

Amazing photo…

Tikki I miss Joey…

[Jamastiene]

97. My first major celeb crush was Debbie Harry,

when I was 9 years old.

A couple years later, and throughout my teen years, it was Joan Jett. She's really a nice person and her band and road crew were very nice too. She actually reads fan letters and oh, did I pour my heart out to her when I was being bullied in school. Next thing I knew, any Joan Jett concert I went to, either she, or her road crew, made sure I was safe from the crowds when they got rowdy. I was just a kid going to see Joan Jett play in 21 and older bars. They were my "safe" place to look forward to when I wasn't in school being beat up and stuffed in lockers.

Luckily, my aunt begged and pleaded with the first club manager to let me in. I was 16 years old and the bar was 21 and older. I met her the first time there and she talked to me about what I had written her. She is amazing to sit down and talk to.

After that, at every other concert I went to of hers, the band and/or the road crew took me in and the club managers didn't question the band about a kid hanging out with them, lol. Even with the bullying in school, those turned out to be the best years of my life, ever. I had a "safe" place to go. Those are the greatest memories ever.

[Scootaloo]

80. I still have one

No reason to abandon a good thing, i figure!

[CFLDem]

2. So did she donate her profits yet? nt

Serious question. Otherwise it's just the same hot gas that PETA cultists spew.

[HangOnKids]

6. Do you know that nt means no thread?

But you added a comment, one that probably would have been better left at nt.

[CFLDem]

30. Ya it was originally an nt comment

but I felt the need to expand and forgot to remove the nt.

[el_bryanto]

7. You are saying PETA are hypocrites? I'm not a big fan of PETA

but i've always thought their problems were the other direction - too zealous rather than being phonies.

Bryant

[Orrex]

8. They're big fans of animal slaughter

Though they call it "euthanization of shelter animals."

Also, their exploitation of shapely young women strikes some as odd.

[el_bryanto]

11. Exploitation of shapely young women, you say?

But yes - i hadn't thought about that - although I think they don't see that as hypocritical. They are opposed to pets in general, I think.

Bryant

[Aerows]

16. Exploitation of shapely young women?

You think Joan Jett ever was exploited because of her "shapely figure" and not her raw talent?

Joan Jett has in the past supported PETA, but she backs off when they go off the rails like they usually do. A seal clubbing venture in a video game called WoW to highlight how killing is cultural? In a video game? http://apatheticlemming.blogspot.com/2009/04/peta-protests-on-world-of-warcraft-i-am.html

PETA isn't a Democratic organization.

Supporting the growing of organic vegetables and helping others in your area learn about growing gardens isn't a purely Democratic goal, either, it's a goal of everyone that recognizes ecology. Neither is supporting your local animal shelter D-R-I or anything else.

PETA is a woo organization that euthanizes animals that were previously pets because they do not believe that people should have pets. Membership has dropped in droves because of their attitude.

[Ichingcarpenter]

17. I think PETA is a disinformation organization

and has been for some time infiltrated by ones that want to discredit animal rights issues.

[Aerows]

19. Nutbaggery on that scale

isn't an accident.

[SomethingFishy]

20. While I almost fully agree with you, I like to think that Joan Jett avoided

most of the exploitation.. Hell the only time I have ever seen her "shapely figure" was in the Do You Wanna Touch Me video and I bet she was bitching up a storm about having to do a shoot without her leather on

[Aerows]

21. I bet so :)

She's always been wonderfully independent and does her own thing. I think some in this thread are showing that they have affiliations because they seek out "terrorist groups" to discredit anything associated with such groups. PETA is one of the best known for for "environmental terrorism". Except that isn't what PETA does - they are a PR campaign to make environmental concerns seem like nuttery.

Environmental terrorists, of course, are really people that have farms that aren't corporate owned, grow organic, and protest when Monsanto sues their neighbor when Monsanto seeds get into their crops, then claims it was intentional.

PETA is a fabricated group of nuts wanting to foment nuts so that legitimate environmental concerns are dismissed as PETA type bullshit.

[zappaman]

22. I just finished reading a book about The Runaways.

Once, she was coerced into wearing a bikini for a photo shoot.
It was the first and last time she ever let herself get talked into something she did not want to do...
Joan rocks!

[Bucky]

46. I just googled "Joan Jett bikini" and found one coerced and several non-coerced pictures

...because internet

[el_bryanto]

25. I was responding to the post above. nt

[Aerows]

28. Okay. n/t

[flvegan]

82. Back that accusation up, Orrex.

They're big fans of animal slaughter. Be specific.

And if you choose to make it about anyone who has to put shelter animals down, back up how they are also big fans. Be very specific. I'm watching.

[Decaffeinated]

83. My favorite is the PETA VP who is diabetic and an insulin user...

A product developed directly via animal testing...

She said that her life was worth it so that she could keep on keeping on...

http://www.humanewatch.org/person/mary_beth_sweetland/

Found it... ""[My medicine] still contains some animal products — and I have no qualms about it…. I don’t see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals.”

[flvegan]

89. So you back the Center for Consumer Freedom, then?

Rick Berman your buddy, eh?

You promoted it, so own it.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. Have you donated your profits?

[jberryhill]

26. It's unlikely that she owns rights to the recordings anyway

The likelihood of a commercial operation on the scale of Sea World using recorded material without having obtained a license from the actual owner, is about nil.

It happens from time to time in, say, political campaigns. But this is like trying to kick people out of a house you already sold.

[Aerows]

29. More like speaking up and protesting

when the house you built was sold and bought by people that turned it into a meth lab. And she is absolutely right to speak up about it.

[joeybee12]

31. She's not profiting off animal abuse...SeaWorld is...I fail to see the comparison...nt

[CFLDem]

32. No but if she still owns her work

she profited off of SeaWorld using it.

[Aerows]

34. If she sold it and they turned it into

an anthem for cruelty, she still has the right to speak up about it, and she should. When you sell something, and someone makes a mockery of what you sold, are you not allowed to say so?

Here, have a copy of the 1st Amendment. It also allows people to agree with a person protesting stupidity, cruelty and harm.

[Bucky]

44. I'm not sure that's the case. I imagine it's more like radio stations playing a song.

Singers don't get royalties off radio stations playing their songs. I don't think MTV paid royalties either. There was a Supreme Court case about this in the early 20th Century, and the decision at the time helped local radio stations survive the threats from then much-larger record companies. There are special rules for television shows using a song or performing a tune, but those are reproduction rights that were negotiated by writers' unions.

[CFLDem]

51. Interesting.

Thanks for the insight.

[Spirochete]

106. Does she own it?

She didn't write it - she just covered it.

She may own the rights now, but she's not the original creator.

[G_j]

71. the song is her property nt

[LanternWaste]

92. Have you researched the answer...?

Have you researched the answer...? Lest we're compelled to think the question is less serious and merely editorial.

[CFLDem]

99. If she did there's no news of it yet. nt

[polichick]

3. If people would stop visiting these marine mammal torture chambers...

they'd go out of business.

k&r

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. India made them illegal last year

The Indian Ministry of Environment and Forests’ decision to ban dolphin captivity within India has been making waves around the world. The unprecedented decision is particularly significant because it reflects an increasing global understanding that dolphins deserve better protections based on who – rather than what – they are.

The decision, outlined in a circular released by the Central Zoo Authority, states that because dolphins are by nature “highly intelligent and sensitive,” they ought to be seen as “nonhuman persons” and should have “their own specific rights.” It says that it is “morally unacceptable to keep them captive for entertainment purposes.”

http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/elist/eListRead/what_indias_decision_to_ban_dolphin_captivity_means/

[polichick]

13. Awesome! Wish we were as civilized - but it's always about profits here.

[zappaman]

18. That is so great!

Thanks for posting this...I had no idea!

[MoonRiver]

35. They will stop visiting them when the truth comes out about rgw vicious cruelty

takes place in them. I am grateful to CNN and all the musicians who are bringing this to the public's awareness.

[Orrex]

9. A fire?!? At Sea Parks?!?

[seveneyes]

24. PETA, Joan Jett and leather

I wonder if Joan Jett still partakes in the leather?

[HangOnKids]

37. It is very sad

I can tell you are trying hard.

[Iggo]

53. She also profits from her songs, I hear.

[Aerows]

56. I sincerely hope she does

No need to ruin dreams.

Seriously.

Really?

[seveneyes]

57. As do I

I just recall PETA having issues with it in the past.

[Aerows]

58. She also disassociated herself with PETA

So I hope she wears leather pants, sports a blond crew cut and sings her heart out while ever and where ever she goes.

I love Joan Jett and always have.

[seveneyes]

60. Same here

Sadly, I sold off all my LPs back when I needed money and her albums were in with them.

[Aerows]

61. Didn't that go off

like a ???? in a ??????.

[Jamastiene]

93. There was a fire in the storage building where my entire collection

of autographed Joan Jett albums were store. Everything around those albums burned, but those autographed albums did not burn. I have not tried to play them, because I am sure the heat messed up the vinyl, but I have all of them on cassette, from when cassettes were popular, and now on CD. Up until Up Your Alley, all of my Joan Jet albums were signed, one album per concert I went to until they were all signed. After that, she started signing club posters and set lists for me. I went to see her so much when I was a teenager (in 21 and old bars, no less) that I lost count of how many times I had seen her. I miss being able to go to her concerts, because she is way better live than on the records. Most bands are the opposite and suck live compared to their recordings.

I'm so glad those albums did not burn though. I was sure they did, until I went and looked. Sure enough, everything around them including the outsides of the box they were in, had burned. The box they were in was singed, but packed to tightly to let enough air in to burn the records inside, apparently. At least that was the theory I was given.

[JimboBillyBubbaBob]

27. Her support is great.

More movement in the correct direction (didn't want to say right).

[MoonRiver]

33. Awesome!

These celebs need to keep up the pressure on evil incarnate Sea World! FREE THE SLAVES!!

[Beringia]

36. The more negative publicity for SeaWorld the better

However does she own the rights?


"SeaWorld spokesman Nick Gollattscheck confirmed that the letter was received. "Ms. Jett's music is not currently part of any show, although it was played as walk-in music for the 'Shamu Rocks' nighttime show at SeaWorld Orlando and was fully licensed for us to use," he said."

[Bucky]

41. I imagine it's similar to radio stations, which also don't have pay singers to play their songs.

A Scotus case back in the 20s decided this issue.

[Beringia]

50. thanks

[Decaffeinated]

38. Oh no! A senior citizen who was relevant in the most minor of ways 30 years ago is cross!

Tsk tsk.. I'm sure they'll change things.

[Bucky]

40. I don't think you quite *get* this website

Being liberal is about being right, not being popular.

[Decaffeinated]

42. I thought it was about affecting change...

Drugged out has beens writing strongly worded letters don't really get much done. I'll bet you a dollar those whales are in their tanks tomorrow.

[Aerows]

43. Interesting

perspective you have there. You commented on this "strongly worded letter". What does that make you?

[MoonRiver]

47. Bingo!

[Decaffeinated]

49. Another random voice on the internet...

The difference is that I'm honest enough to admit it and don't have delusions of grandeur...

[Aerows]

55. Nice to see you chiming in later on down the thread n/t

[Bucky]

48. I can take an aspirin for the headache. I'm not sure you can pop a pill for the stupid.

1. Joan Jett is not a "drugged out has been"
2. A public statement calling out a company for inhumane treatment of animals is not "writing a strongly worded letter"
3. Getting things to change within a 24 hour period is not the standard for speaking out on public issues
4. Your idea that a respected celebrity speaking out has nothing to do with "affecting change" is absurd
5. Your cynical argument that only easily achieved progress is worth speaking out for is very much a demonstration that you do not get the culture of this website.


But I encourage you to stick around and do a little changing yourself.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

88. She was a national convention delegate for Howard Dean

If you're going to be pugnacious, you might want to educate yourself about the subject at hand, so that you don't look like you look now, for example. 'Drugged out senior citizen'--I think Starboi may need a second look at those caffeine levels.

[Captain Stern]

101. She does what she can.

You be sure and tell Sea World to stop using your music too.

[Decaffeinated]

103. My heart breaks...

Maybe she could team up with the DIVO "Whip It" guys and really get things done.

[1000words]

45. Speaking of relevance:

I'm sure your album will go platinum any day now ...

[Aerows]

59. There are a few that

like to down play the popularity of people that don't leap on their authoritarian bandwagon. If Joan Jett ever leapt on anyone's bandwagon without giving it her signature and individuality, let me know.

I'm pretty sure that Tori Amos made a record of Christmas songs, but if you can mistake them as being pro-Santa Clause, pro-commercialism and pro-Christianity, I welcome you to make such arguments.

[CreekDog]

79. well that poster is going for a record

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024141976

[Nevernose]

64. And which songs of yours is Seaworld playing? n/t

[Major Hogwash]

73. She's only 53 years old. Women are like fine wine, they get better with age.

At least, that's been my observation.
Joan is no where near to being a senior citizen in any case.

Yet, there are a lot of senior citizens who are living alone, or who are shut-ins, that would appreciate a visit once in awhile from a younger person.
Especially at this time of year.

[CreekDog]

74. well that explains why you said it's easier for black people than white people...

I'm a white person who grew up with significant disadvantages, however if I were black...

My circumstances would have been even more difficult to overcome, overall.
143 (94%)

My circumstances would have been no different to overcome, overall.
6 (4%)

My circumstances would have been easier to overcome, overall.
3 (2%)
... Decaffeinated ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024141976

[NYC_SKP]

76. Not to defend the indefensible, my brother, but is this reply of yours why you posted the poll?

I want to think differently, but I've observed a strange and consistent tendency and ability to collect and repost facts and data and past postings of other members.

There's a word for that, but I like you too much to use it.

I'm forever fascinated by your motivation.

We are so similar yet butt heads often.

Every curious, and glad you're at DU!

[CreekDog]

77. because if I mention that in a poll up today in GD, that they posted something...

something as odious as what they've posted in this thread...

that somehow i'm the one who has the defective character?

you know what actually matters? whether or not you run this place yet. you don't.

let me know if that changes.

[NYC_SKP]

78. Even if that changed, you would still be here.

I can only think of one member, ever, who I was happy to see no longer allowed to participate.

I am fascinated by the few who seem to want to see me gone. One of them has themselves left, apparently. Make that two.

You would be missed if you ever were no longer a member here. I don't expect the feeling to be mutual, but I wish it was.

E Pluribus Unum, and all that.

[Skip Intro]

85. But you post flat out lies against other DUers, CreekDog.

Why do you do that? That's not some innocent and admirable quality, it's fucking lying. Why do you do it?

[CreekDog]

86. Yes Mr. Skip Intro or is it Mr. "I like Cjeekdgg"?

oh yeah, that's right. that alert message was written using your account, but by your "friend".

got it.

what were you saying again?

[Skip Intro]

87. I was asking why you post flat out lies against other DUers.

[CreekDog]

102. I was asking about why you posted on OP against me then self alerted it...

pretending to be someone else. then claiming it was your "friend" who sent the alert.

and I asked my question a year ago, so my question comes first.

[Skip Intro]

105. CreekDog lies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4156060

[CreekDog]

107. again, what about your self-alert which you won't deny but won't acknowledge

it's well known around here.

anyone who responds to you with "cjeekdgg" is onto you because "cjeekdgg" is how my name was spelled in the alert sent from your account --an alert you denied writing, but we all saw it since it was sent to the hosts' group as an off-topic alert.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2147105

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3964826

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2798530

[Decaffeinated]

81. Thank you...

It pleases me greatly to know that you are taking that deep and well thought out poll seriously...

Cheers...

[CreekDog]

84. I'd say my poll questions are better thought out than your answer

[Baitball Blogger]

100. Oh, I didn't need to see that.

[Jamastiene]

94. Welcome to immediate ignore.

Enjoy your stay.

[Bucky]

39. Ironically, if they comply, it'll be because they give a damn about their reputation

[CFLDem]

52. Well anyways

The Shamu Rocks show was excellent. Much better than their corny One Ocean show.

In fact I'm headed there this weekend for their Christmas celebration.

[MoonRiver]

62. I really hope you forgot the sarcasm smilie.

If not, well then enjoy your blood sport freak.

[CFLDem]

63. Funny

Only thing I've seen there are super talented whales, eco-friendly messages for the children, and injured manatees/ sea turtles recuperating to be released in the wild.

Nope not a single drop of blood to be found...

[MoonRiver]

65. Do you know how they "train" the orca to do tricks for the audience?

This is how they do it:

Trainers don't have to do anything because the older, more knowledgeable orca slaves "teach" the young uns the ropes.

Newly kidnapped young orcas, who of course are severely traumatized after being ripped from their families, don't just voluntarily start performing. So, the punishment for refusing to perform is that the entire group of orcas at Sea World is denied food. The older ones know what's going on. They know they will not get food if the new orcas don't perform. So they turn on the younger ones, biting and attacking them until the young ones get the message and, you got it, start jumping up and down for you cretins in the audience. I hope you are so proud to be sponsoring this barbaric BLOOD SPORT. The CNN documentary goes into great detail about this process. Scars from attacks are on quite visible on the slaves bodies. I'm sure those babies bled plenty before they were forced into compliance. Happy?

[CFLDem]

66. Extremely

So much so I'm renewing my annual membership like I do every year.

Contributing to the health of the worlds oceans just makes me feel good, ya know?

Sry but I don't fall for the PETA storyline and yellow journalism.

[MoonRiver]

67. My comments are based on a CNN special. Nothing to do with PETA.

I feel pity for you.

[Beringia]

69. Thanks for rebutting this person

Combating animal abuse can be arduous with so many either apathetic or outright cruel human beings. Intelligent, social, giant creatures in a pool, doing tricks and dying young, so appalling.

[MoonRiver]

75. Yes, it is appalling and sickening.

And there are so many stupid people who care nothing about the suffering of their sentient orca and dolphin slave "entertainers." Same horrors go on against elephants in circuses. But the ignoramuses only care about getting a laugh.

[Beaverhausen]

70. you need to watch the documentary called "Blackfish"

there is soooooooooooooooo much you don't understand about Orcas and how they are abused by SeaWorld.

http://blackfishmovie.com/

[CreekDog]

72. so it's not harmful unless there's blood?

wow. does that apply to parenting too?

tell us about the eco friendly messages of making dolphins and whales perform for their food in front of loud, cheering audiences?

sounds more like eco-ploitation.

[HuckleB]

68. It her right. And I doubt Sea World is some perfect entity.

After seeing the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade South Dakota float, which was completely focused on tourism, I can't see why the ranchers were up in arms about her being on it, however.

Alas, I couldn't figure out which band member she was on the float she was moved to...

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

90. On a completely superficial note, she looks amazing at 55

[Jamastiene]

95. I love the way her hair is in that picture. nt

[Jamastiene]

91. Good.

I'm glad to know she is doing this.

[stevenleser]

96. Always loved Joan Jett. Still have many of her songs on my iPhone. Saw her in concert twice.

[Jamastiene]

98. I practically followed her in the summer of 1988 and saw her numerous times then.

She used to play multiple shows here in NC in bars and clubs when she was on tour back then. She's tops in my book, the best.

She has a new album out called Unvarnished. I got it and have been listening to it almost nonstop since I got it.

[napkinz]

104. listen up KISS

*KEEP UP THE PRESSURE - ENCOURAGE KISS TO REMOVE THEIR MUSIC FROM ALL SEAWORLD SHOWS*

Gene Simmons: @genesimmons
KISS: @KISSOnline
McGhee Entertainment: @McGheeEnt, [phone]


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