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Every so often we talk about race here at DU and people say stuff like, "I don't pay attention to race" or "I wish people would stop focusing on race."
But this is actually a form of racism. The people doing it might be well meaning, but claiming to be colorblind and/or seeing that as an ideal aren't helping rid the country of racism at all.
A few articles to explain this:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/colorblind/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism
At its face value, colorblindness seems like a good thing really taking MLK seriously on his call to judge people on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. It focuses on commonalities between people, such as their shared humanity.
However, colorblindness alone is not sufficient to heal racial wounds on a national or personal level. It is only a half-measure that in the end operates as a form of racism.
Problems with the colorblind approach
Racism? Strong words, yes, but let's look the issue straight in its partially unseeing eye. In a colorblind society, White people, who are unlikely to experience disadvantages due to race, can effectively ignore racism in American life, justify the current social order, and feel more comfortable with their relatively privileged standing in society (Fryberg, 2010). Most minorities, however, who regularly encounter difficulties due to race, experience colorblind ideologies quite differently. Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives.
http://www.tolerance.org/magazine/number-36-fall-2009/feature/colorblindness-new-racism
Such incidents are examples of racial colorblindness the idea that ignoring or overlooking racial and ethnic differences promotes racial harmony.
Trainers and facilitators say colorblindness does just the opposite: folks who enjoy racial privilege are closing their eyes to the experiences of others.
It benefits me not to pay attention, says Benn, who is white. I never have to question whether or not my race is being held in question when I apply for a job. It benefits me not to question that (because) it makes it look like I got here on my own.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/55867/colorblindness-is-the-new-racism
We don't have a race problem, except that, of course, we do.
To dismiss the voices, experiences, and perspectives of black people with such callous disregard is not only itself racist, but is precisely the type of contextual erasure to which President Obama was speaking on Friday.
Look around; those who claim that race had nothing to do with the Zimmerman trial, that President Obama's remarks were "race-baiting," that racism is not a problem in the United States anymore, are almost always white. White people, who will probably never experience racial discrimination in America and are all too often the purveyors of that discrimination, feel all too comfortable declaring, over the overwhelmingly dissenting voices of people of color, that racism has ended. What a perfect encapsulation of white privilege and the entitlement that goes along with it.
"Colorblindness" sounds like a just and harmonious idea in theory, except that when put into practice, it discounts and erases the racial discrimination and oppression that people of color continually experience. It has become a tool to reify white supremacy and perpetuate the oppression of people of color by dismissing racial justice efforts and invalidating their experiences and perspectives. Martin Luther King, Jr. envisioned a day where people were judged on not on the color of their skin but on the content of their character, yes, but he also knew that we had to do the work to get to that point. Colorblindness cannot work in a society that has not truly reconciled the racism upon which our country was built. We are applying colorblindness as a bandage before we even attempt to cleanse our painfully deep racist wound.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)That seems to be the crux of it, from what I can tell. If an employer says "I don't see color," he is free to base his hiring decisions on his own reactions to people which might well give Whites an advantage. As for accepting and being interested in other people's life experiences - well everybody's life experience is different; we should listen to them all, I guess.
Bryant
Decaffeinated
(556 posts)Race doesn't matter.. except when it does and someone else gets to make that determination.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Can you explain it?
Titonwan
(785 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Somebody might murder you for walking in their neighborhood, and get away with it! But that's all right because you were a budding career criminal anyway...
Titonwan
(785 posts)... I'd like to see the major First Nation tribes be given back large portions of their stolen (by broken treaties) land and for the Black people (who trace their lineage back to slavery) to be recompensed for their troubled past. Whites got a huge head start, what with colonialism, genocide, disease, land rushes and the railroads.
"What remains certain is that Reconstruction failed, and that for blacks its failure was a disaster whose magnitude cannot be obscured by the genuine accomplishments that did ensue."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Era
I doubt either would fly but I also believe if there was more equality in wealth that the races would be less prone to fear and anger- components necessary for racism. Economic freedom should be a right (and not the right to sleep under a bridge or beg for bread).
Mojo Electro
(362 posts)Taking race into consideration - racist
Not taking race into consideration - racist
Got it.
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)You can't help yourself - it's part of human nature. But being mindful of your tendency towards taking race into consideration is a better solution than pretending like you aren't taking it into consideration.
Bryant
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Hiring someone because that person is white and you want a white person to be your employee = racist.
Denying the history of race and racism in this country also = racist.
I don't really understand your point though.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Response to gollygee (Reply #8)
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gollygee
(22,336 posts)and I particularly don't understand what you've said. I said specifically that people DO notice race, and that you can't control that. I assume you don't think judging people based on race is OK, right?
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)I give you credit for posting this. Good luck - a few of us have found that we've got some folks here at DU that really are extremely hostile to minorities - but they stand right on the line of TOS and there's nothing we can do about it. . . other than to make them miserable (for example) if they venture into certain groups. I.E. We can stand RIGHT on the line of TOS too and get away with just as much murder -
^and this is the only time I will post those words at DU. ^
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I've seen more racism here than sexism, and that is saying a lot. And it's gotten much worse since the Zimmerman trial and continues.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)Familiar with TOS. We had a member of the AA Group that got hidden by a jury right after the Martin verdict - I went and posted the exact same thing with a few tweaking of words and not even an alert. I have an advantage in that I'm founding member / admin/ mod status of an active board focused on women with a TOS that makes this one look like a joke. From having booted passive aggressive members over the years - I've perfected what I've learned from them.
A. A lot can be hidden in a hug.
B. Just avoid certain words.
So posting this to let you know -
I agree. And I'm not just letting it go. Except - the sexism has been outrageous too. That's an observation - not an attack on the community or any individuals - not even a call out.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)There are many more, but these are common.
A couple of colorblind ones in there.
JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Dash87
(3,220 posts)That isn't always true. It wouldn't make sense to call someone visiting from France, etc. "African American." It would be totally incorrect.
I couldn't tell if the author is saying they're synonyms or agreeing with me in this regard?
whopis01
(3,517 posts)I am not black. That is not an accurate description of me. My skin is a dark brown color, but it certainly is not black.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)"Is your hair real"? "Can I touch it"? "Is it big"? Who is it appropriate to say those things to?
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)M0rpheus
(885 posts)regarding racial issues/articles. Not worth the agita.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,834 posts)seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Racism is not created in a vacuum. It is learned from others. The world needs to stop teaching it and treat everyone fairly regardless of race or any other genetic trait.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)Education, the criminal justice system, etc. Just not noticing, or pretending not to see it, it isn't going to get rid of it. In fact, it will stay until people start noticing it more and calling it out more and more.
seveneyes
(4,631 posts)Everything that can be done, should be done than can prevent racism from being passed on or taught to the young and old.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)How many countries other than the USA have ever elected a member of a racial minority as head of state and/or government?
Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)One is treating people differently on account of their race, and the other is treating people differently on account of how they've been treated on account of their race by others.
Colourblindness is only a bad thing if you don't admit that other people aren't.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)I believe color and diversity should be celebrated and embraced. The term 'Colorblind' can be kind of a slippery slope to coin a phrase.
Whiteness is the default for everything-the invisible standard as it were.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)"Hey, enough with the game, let's spend some time celebrating your color!"
Because apparently by treating these folks the same as my white friends, I've been doing it all wrong.
ismnotwasm
(41,998 posts)Slow down.
If color isn't a personal issue with you and your friends--fine. "Treating them the same as your white friends" I'm assuming you mean by that that you don't care what color they are. You are however missing the point.
I think it's disingenuous to pretend that color doesn't matter. However, If it simply doesn't come up that's your business.
My friends of color and I always talk about racial issues because it's important, it's interesting and it brings things thing to light. We learn together. I have a black friend from the Deep South, his culture is different than mine as well as his experiences as a person of color
Tell you what. If you're white, are your experiences the same at, say a shopping mall the same as your black friends? Do you have the same proportion of relatives in prison, or have collage education in their backgrounds? Do your friends ever experience racism? How about home ownership? What proportion of white to color are your friends? How about your friends of color parents? Have they experienced racism? Do they talk about it? Why or why not? Are their culture backgrounds the same?
For instance I have a friend who just got married in a very intricate Cambodian service. It was beautiful and cool--definitely a cultural celebration. My Filipino friends have a different culture than mine as do my Ethiopian friends. Even second generation, there are differences to be explored and celebrated.
Behind the Aegis
(53,967 posts)IMO, most people use the "colorblind" excuse to 'demonstrate' they aren't racist.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)and really don't give a shit about any of their races, religions or ethnicity.
However, some earnest latte-sippers (who probably don't even know any members of minority groups) feel the need to pontificate about the evils of "white privilege" and how we should strive to avoid "colorblindness".
I think MLK got it right on this issue.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/martin-luther-king-dream-speech-misunderstand
http://s-usih.org/2013/08/martin-luther-king-and-colorblind-conservatism.html
You are also wrong about my coffee preferences and social group.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)so many take one (out of context) passage of one speech, ignoring the preceding and following body of work, and claim to "color-blindness" as the ideal.
What is worse is, when corrected, they disappear ... only to return with the same interpretation.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)and two of the sections I quoted even did.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)white-washing?
gollygee
(22,336 posts)perhaps deliberate misinterpretations, yes.
Number23
(24,544 posts)speeches.
These folks, who worship at the alter of the white washed MLK and work extremely hard at highlighting his non-civil rights work (his protestations of the Vietnam war, for instance. I've even seen some here go to great lengths to mention his work for the sanitation workers in Tennessee apparently oblivious to the fact that black folks are probably seriously disproportionately represented in sanitation fields TODAY, let alone 60 years ago) while overlooking, minimizing or flat out ignoring his civil rights work which is why we know his name. Which is why he won the Nobel Peace Prize. Which is why he was killed.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)MLK was killed because he protested the war and spoke of economic parity for oppressed white folks ... I read that here on DU, so it must be true.
BTW ... In under-grad, I wrote a paper arguing that: Racism was a symptom of a/the greater illness of classism. I argued that when Malcolm was calling the white man the devil ... he was given prime-time tv air-time; but after his return from Mecca and moved towards SOME white folks are devils, he was killed ... Martin was allowed to shut down DC with the march; but when he starting taking about poor white folks, he was shot ... Jesse formed the Rainbow Coalition - tagline: "We may have got here on different ships, but we are all in the same boat", he almost changed the dialogue; but in his next run ... his Rainbow Coalition language was nowhere to be heard.
The paper was well received by my "color-blind" professor.
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)I read the first two articles, and I learned something.
Bjorn Against
(12,041 posts)Nice right wing framing of the debate, but I don't think MLK would agree with your framing despite your effort to invoke his name.
CreekDog
(46,192 posts)as you are on most issues around here.
you're on a roll.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)just talking about differences all the time isn't exactly constructive. The all-too-common *literal* interpretation of "white privilege" theory hasn't exactly done much, either, in terms of U.S. race relations, at least.
While I think 99% of us will agree that we still have a ways to go before we can finally fully eliminate structural racism, it would certainly help if we continue to strive to accept our cultural differences, while also celebrating what we have in common.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)difference. Much like people who accuse gays of "flaunting their sexuality" when 99.9% do no such thing.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)K&R!
Everyone is advised to check this out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/11874524
gollygee
(22,336 posts)would be a great stand-alone OP
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)back in the 60s and more recently.
Puglover
(16,380 posts)She is a treasure.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)With that pointed out, however, it can also be said, that sadly, there *is* indeed a problem. There are indeed those people out there, many of them conservatives, who don't truly understand what MLK meant; many of these people are not racist and may not even be truly prejudiced. They merely lack the understanding of the context of his words. But, there's also some who do *actively* use such as an excuse to discount the real problems that People of Color do still face; and many of these people *are* bigots, whether outwardly or covertly.
I'm sure that many people will agree that there is a truly major, perhaps even polar, difference between the legitimate "focusing on one's character traits instead of their ethnicity" while also acknowledging the struggles that People of Color do continue to face, and using this belief as a tool to help better the situations of all of us) type of colorblindness, and the false "oh, there's no racism anymore because no Jim Crow, black President, etc." conservajerk B.S. agitprop.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)Racism consists, in no small part, of excuses for not doing so.
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)He said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."
He used that word specifically and intentionally. Because African Americans were, and still are sometimes, judged to be bad or criminals or inferior just because of the color of their skin. And other races and ethnicities are, too.
MLK never said he wanted culture and heritage to be erased as if it never existed. He never said "Poof, we are all white!" He said he wanted to see a day when people are judged by the content of their character. Judged to be good citizens or smart or worthy. And if they've truly done something bad, then judged according to that act but not because there is inherent wrongdoing in dark skin. Back then, many still believed that black skin was a curse from Biblical times.
He spoke specifically about this after bemoaning segregated worship. In his sermon, he talks about being one in Christ. That in Christ there is no Jew or gentile, etc., and I assume he meant to extrapolate that to no black and white. But that was for believers, not as a society. He was not speaking to culture or histiory or heritage. MLK obviously was a student of history. And the books of the Old Testament are are in large part a history of the Jewish people. Off misinterpreted, as in the curse of Ham.
"I understand that there are Christians among you who try to justify segregation on the basis of the Bible. They argue that the Negro is inferior by nature because of Noah's curse upon the children of Ham. Oh my friends, this is blasphemy. This is against everything that the Christian religion stands for. I must say to you as I have said to so many Christians before, that in Christ "there is neither Jew nor Gentile, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female, for we are all one in Christ Jesus." Moreover, I must reiterate the words that I uttered on Mars Hill: "God that made the world and all things therein . . . hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth."
IMO, people should never forget that MLK was first a minister then an activist. His public speeches were tinged with religious references but there was a marked difference between them and his sermons. In church he spoke of being one because it's all spiritual; there is no skin. In public he said people should be judged by the content of their character not by their skin because society's matters are earthly matters, in which there is history, context, culture to be learned, mourned and celebrated.
Shandris
(3,447 posts)Racism (as in, the real racism, not the recent attempt at relabeling its meaning which, interestingly enough, removes 'race' from consideration more often than not) is and can be a problem still. I don't think anyone can reasonably deny that.
HOWEVER, I reject the entire thought that says colorblindness is a bad thing. I think people may misunderstand what it means, or claim it falsely. This does not, however, make it any less true or desirable any more than someone falsely claiming to be honest means we should reconsider whether honesty is a desirable thing or not.
I could go on at length on this topic, but I won't. It's not needed. However, I will say this much: One postulated comment is that colorblindness cannot work in a society that has not 'truly' reconciled the racism upon which it was built. Can anyone define for me the moment when 'reconciliation' will have occurred? If not, then why are we establishing a set of victory conditions that cannot be reached?
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)because it is too big of a business for all parties involved.
Just more divide and conquer as far as I'm concerned.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)Unless everyone is treated equally no matyer what their race is.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)People keep responding to stuff with riddles.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)so it isn't such a riddle.
The issue is that "colorblindness" doesn't actually make people treat everyone the same. Everyone lives in our racist society. We all do, and we can't pretend we aren't in a racist society. It won't lead to people treating people equally unless we do a lot of work first - and it's work that requires us taking a really intense look at how much lack of equality there is in how people are treated.
We can't do the work as a society we need to do and pretend not to see color at the same time.
Number23
(24,544 posts)that a very loud, very clueless and incredibly ignorant and insensitive crew do here regularly. Even when told that there are practically no people of color that would have any interest in returning to those "Good Old Days," they could give less than a damn and still bray to return to the Glory Days when life was great for middle and lower class white people, regardless of education or skills, primarily because that "Good Life" was handed to them (whether they deserved it or not) on the backs of women and people of color.
The problems that black people fact today -- lower incomes, massive discrepancies in prison sentencing, institutionalized racism in employment, housing and opportunities, being the victims of hate crimes more than ANY other group -- are potentially crippling, but were even WORSE in the "Good Old Days". The last thing we want to hear are privileged and blissfully clueless whites who scream about the racism from their conservative pals while blithely unaware of the beams in their own eyes.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Have been since the 80s at least. They believe claiming to be 'colorblind' absolves them from guilt when they yank the rug out from people because of the color of their skin. Their ongoing election fraud is a good example of it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)life experience. there is nothing right about that. it makes us see wrong.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Nothing else matters.
redgreenandblue
(2,088 posts)Sometimes it seems it has gotten to a point where one needs a college degree to disentangle what is racist and what is not, and it is tiresome and elitist in a way.
Here is race in a nutshell: People are different. It is okay to ignore these differences, or to highlight them. We don't all have to be the same, nor do we all have to always get along or be "one big family". As long as you are not looking down on someone for who they are, you are fine.
boston bean
(36,223 posts)and pretend all is well. It doesn't move the ball forward. It's a cop out, imho.