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gollygee

(22,336 posts)
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 09:55 AM Dec 2013

"Colorblind" racism

Every so often we talk about race here at DU and people say stuff like, "I don't pay attention to race" or "I wish people would stop focusing on race."

But this is actually a form of racism. The people doing it might be well meaning, but claiming to be colorblind and/or seeing that as an ideal aren't helping rid the country of racism at all.

A few articles to explain this:

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/colorblind/201112/colorblind-ideology-is-form-racism


At its face value, colorblindness seems like a good thing — really taking MLK seriously on his call to judge people on the content of their character rather than the color of their skin. It focuses on commonalities between people, such as their shared humanity.

However, colorblindness alone is not sufficient to heal racial wounds on a national or personal level. It is only a half-measure that in the end operates as a form of racism.

Problems with the colorblind approach

Racism? Strong words, yes, but let's look the issue straight in its partially unseeing eye. In a colorblind society, White people, who are unlikely to experience disadvantages due to race, can effectively ignore racism in American life, justify the current social order, and feel more comfortable with their relatively privileged standing in society (Fryberg, 2010). Most minorities, however, who regularly encounter difficulties due to race, experience colorblind ideologies quite differently. Colorblindness creates a society that denies their negative racial experiences, rejects their cultural heritage, and invalidates their unique perspectives.


http://www.tolerance.org/magazine/number-36-fall-2009/feature/colorblindness-new-racism

Such incidents are examples of racial “colorblindness” — the idea that ignoring or overlooking racial and ethnic differences promotes racial harmony.

Trainers and facilitators say colorblindness does just the opposite: folks who enjoy racial privilege are closing their eyes to the experiences of others.

“It benefits me not to pay attention,” says Benn, who is white. “I never have to question whether or not my race is being held in question when I apply for a job. It benefits me not to question that (because) it makes it look like I got here on my own.”


http://www.policymic.com/articles/55867/colorblindness-is-the-new-racism

We don't have a race problem, except that, of course, we do.

To dismiss the voices, experiences, and perspectives of black people with such callous disregard is not only itself racist, but is precisely the type of contextual erasure to which President Obama was speaking on Friday.

Look around; those who claim that race had nothing to do with the Zimmerman trial, that President Obama's remarks were "race-baiting," that racism is not a problem in the United States anymore, are almost always white. White people, who will probably never experience racial discrimination in America and are all too often the purveyors of that discrimination, feel all too comfortable declaring, over the overwhelmingly dissenting voices of people of color, that racism has ended. What a perfect encapsulation of white privilege and the entitlement that goes along with it.

"Colorblindness" sounds like a just and harmonious idea in theory, except that when put into practice, it discounts and erases the racial discrimination and oppression that people of color continually experience. It has become a tool to reify white supremacy and perpetuate the oppression of people of color by dismissing racial justice efforts and invalidating their experiences and perspectives. Martin Luther King, Jr. envisioned a day where people were judged on not on the color of their skin but on the content of their character, yes, but he also knew that we had to do the work to get to that point. Colorblindness cannot work in a society that has not truly reconciled the racism upon which our country was built. We are applying colorblindness as a bandage before we even attempt to cleanse our painfully deep racist wound.


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"Colorblind" racism (Original Post) gollygee Dec 2013 OP
I think this might be stronger if it just argued for continuing Affirmative Action el_bryanto Dec 2013 #1
Sounds like trying to have it both ways... Decaffeinated Dec 2013 #2
I don't understand what you're trying to say here gollygee Dec 2013 #4
Very good article, btw (n/t) Titonwan Dec 2013 #5
Yeah, being a white dude really sucks, doesn't it? nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #64
In a perfect world... Titonwan Dec 2013 #3
So.... Mojo Electro Dec 2013 #6
I think the point is that you are always taking race into consideration el_bryanto Dec 2013 #7
Huh? gollygee Dec 2013 #8
There is none nt ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #12
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #28
No, I really don't understand gollygee Dec 2013 #29
gollygee JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #9
It's been ugly gollygee Dec 2013 #10
Just get really JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #11
14 Things You Should Not Say To Black People ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #13
Ugh gollygee Dec 2013 #14
Love you! JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #15
.. ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #19
Re: "African American" as a synonym for "black" Dash87 Dec 2013 #40
I personally dislike the term "Black". whopis01 Dec 2013 #60
Most of those are things you shouldn't say to *anyone*. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #52
I read some of the comments on there and about threw up. ScreamingMeemie Dec 2013 #58
You'd do yourself a great favor by avoiding comment sections... M0rpheus Dec 2013 #61
map of the world’s most and least racially tolerant countries seveneyes Dec 2013 #16
I'm curious as to why you thought that was relevant to this thread. n/t gollygee Dec 2013 #18
+1 JustAnotherGen Dec 2013 #21
Education seveneyes Dec 2013 #22
It is also built into our institutions gollygee Dec 2013 #23
It should always be called out and corrected if possible seveneyes Dec 2013 #26
Not surprising. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #41
I think the author is confusing two completely different things. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #17
Well ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #25
Exactly ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #32
So how exactly do I go about this with my nonwhite friends? Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #44
Whoa ismnotwasm Dec 2013 #46
Nice post. Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #20
Some people have friends and coworkers of several races Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #24
You completely misunderstand MLK then gollygee Dec 2013 #27
You beat me to it ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #33
I think every one of the articles mentioned misinterpretations of the MLK statement gollygee Dec 2013 #35
Misinterpretations? Or, ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #37
Well gollygee Dec 2013 #38
Yep. Want to throw GD into a tailspin of confusion? Post some of MLK's FIERCELY pro-black Number23 Dec 2013 #57
Nooo ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #59
Thanks for posting those links. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #71
Latte sippers vs people with black friends? Bjorn Against Dec 2013 #30
if you think that MLK didn't believe that white priviledge existed, you are as mistaken on this... CreekDog Dec 2013 #34
There may be some truth to this, sadly. AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #48
"Talking about differences" is only a problem for people who dislike, and are uncomfortable with, nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #65
Excellent article. MrScorpio Dec 2013 #31
That article gollygee Dec 2013 #36
As soon as I get back to my desktop, I'll post it in GD. nt MrScorpio Dec 2013 #39
Google Jane Elliott. Puglover Dec 2013 #42
I've seen videos of her doing her thing gollygee Dec 2013 #43
Here is a more recent interview. Puglover Dec 2013 #45
Well, while Colorblindness in of itself is not actually racist(in most cases)..... AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #47
The thing is, "treating people like human beings regardless of race" *should* be the default. nomorenomore08 Dec 2013 #66
That I agree with 100%, without a doubt. nt AverageJoe90 Dec 2013 #70
I think colorblindness misinterprets MLK's meaning. DevonRex Dec 2013 #49
I reject this entire line of thought. Shandris Dec 2013 #50
Racism will never go away in this country CFLDem Dec 2013 #51
ytou can't have true equality Niceguy1 Dec 2013 #53
What does this mean? gollygee Dec 2013 #54
OK I see you've edited it gollygee Dec 2013 #55
K&R Another "perfect encapsulation of white privilege" is the loud pining for the Good Old Days Number23 Dec 2013 #56
This is a term I usually hear from Republicans AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #62
i use to do that. i thought it was right and ok. then i realized that in doing that i took away seabeyond Dec 2013 #63
People are either nice or not nice. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #67
The Inception-style meta-brainfuckery that are discussions of race in the United States... redgreenandblue Dec 2013 #68
It is a simplistic view that allows one to not examine the plights of others boston bean Dec 2013 #69

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. I think this might be stronger if it just argued for continuing Affirmative Action
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 10:19 AM
Dec 2013

That seems to be the crux of it, from what I can tell. If an employer says "I don't see color," he is free to base his hiring decisions on his own reactions to people which might well give Whites an advantage. As for accepting and being interested in other people's life experiences - well everybody's life experience is different; we should listen to them all, I guess.

Bryant

 

Decaffeinated

(556 posts)
2. Sounds like trying to have it both ways...
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 10:26 AM
Dec 2013

Race doesn't matter.. except when it does and someone else gets to make that determination.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
64. Yeah, being a white dude really sucks, doesn't it?
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 07:41 AM
Dec 2013

Somebody might murder you for walking in their neighborhood, and get away with it! But that's all right because you were a budding career criminal anyway...

Titonwan

(785 posts)
3. In a perfect world...
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 10:27 AM
Dec 2013
"Colorblindness cannot work in a society that has not truly reconciled the racism upon which our country was built."
... I'd like to see the major First Nation tribes be given back large portions of their stolen (by broken treaties) land and for the Black people (who trace their lineage back to slavery) to be recompensed for their troubled past. Whites got a huge head start, what with colonialism, genocide, disease, land rushes and the railroads.

"What remains certain is that Reconstruction failed, and that for blacks its failure was a disaster whose magnitude cannot be obscured by the genuine accomplishments that did ensue."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reconstruction_Era
I doubt either would fly but I also believe if there was more equality in wealth that the races would be less prone to fear and anger- components necessary for racism. Economic freedom should be a right (and not the right to sleep under a bridge or beg for bread).

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
7. I think the point is that you are always taking race into consideration
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 10:40 AM
Dec 2013

You can't help yourself - it's part of human nature. But being mindful of your tendency towards taking race into consideration is a better solution than pretending like you aren't taking it into consideration.

Bryant

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
8. Huh?
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 10:41 AM
Dec 2013

Hiring someone because that person is white and you want a white person to be your employee = racist.

Denying the history of race and racism in this country also = racist.

I don't really understand your point though.

Response to gollygee (Reply #8)

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
29. No, I really don't understand
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:51 PM
Dec 2013

and I particularly don't understand what you've said. I said specifically that people DO notice race, and that you can't control that. I assume you don't think judging people based on race is OK, right?

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
9. gollygee
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 02:41 PM
Dec 2013

I give you credit for posting this. Good luck - a few of us have found that we've got some folks here at DU that really are extremely hostile to minorities - but they stand right on the line of TOS and there's nothing we can do about it. . . other than to make them miserable (for example) if they venture into certain groups. I.E. We can stand RIGHT on the line of TOS too and get away with just as much murder -

^and this is the only time I will post those words at DU. ^

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
10. It's been ugly
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 02:44 PM
Dec 2013

I've seen more racism here than sexism, and that is saying a lot. And it's gotten much worse since the Zimmerman trial and continues.

JustAnotherGen

(31,834 posts)
11. Just get really
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 02:52 PM
Dec 2013

Familiar with TOS. We had a member of the AA Group that got hidden by a jury right after the Martin verdict - I went and posted the exact same thing with a few tweaking of words and not even an alert. I have an advantage in that I'm founding member / admin/ mod status of an active board focused on women with a TOS that makes this one look like a joke. From having booted passive aggressive members over the years - I've perfected what I've learned from them.

A. A lot can be hidden in a hug.
B. Just avoid certain words.


So posting this to let you know -

I agree. And I'm not just letting it go. Except - the sexism has been outrageous too. That's an observation - not an attack on the community or any individuals - not even a call out.

Dash87

(3,220 posts)
40. Re: "African American" as a synonym for "black"
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:38 PM
Dec 2013

That isn't always true. It wouldn't make sense to call someone visiting from France, etc. "African American." It would be totally incorrect.

I couldn't tell if the author is saying they're synonyms or agreeing with me in this regard?

whopis01

(3,517 posts)
60. I personally dislike the term "Black".
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 11:58 PM
Dec 2013

I am not black. That is not an accurate description of me. My skin is a dark brown color, but it certainly is not black.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
52. Most of those are things you shouldn't say to *anyone*.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 06:45 PM
Dec 2013

"Is your hair real"? "Can I touch it"? "Is it big"? Who is it appropriate to say those things to?

M0rpheus

(885 posts)
61. You'd do yourself a great favor by avoiding comment sections...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 01:11 AM
Dec 2013

regarding racial issues/articles. Not worth the agita.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
22. Education
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:34 PM
Dec 2013

Racism is not created in a vacuum. It is learned from others. The world needs to stop teaching it and treat everyone fairly regardless of race or any other genetic trait.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
23. It is also built into our institutions
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:36 PM
Dec 2013

Education, the criminal justice system, etc. Just not noticing, or pretending not to see it, it isn't going to get rid of it. In fact, it will stay until people start noticing it more and calling it out more and more.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
26. It should always be called out and corrected if possible
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:39 PM
Dec 2013

Everything that can be done, should be done than can prevent racism from being passed on or taught to the young and old.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
41. Not surprising.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:41 PM
Dec 2013

How many countries other than the USA have ever elected a member of a racial minority as head of state and/or government?

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
17. I think the author is confusing two completely different things.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:10 PM
Dec 2013

One is treating people differently on account of their race, and the other is treating people differently on account of how they've been treated on account of their race by others.

Colourblindness is only a bad thing if you don't admit that other people aren't.

ismnotwasm

(41,998 posts)
25. Well
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:39 PM
Dec 2013

I believe color and diversity should be celebrated and embraced. The term 'Colorblind' can be kind of a slippery slope to coin a phrase.

Whiteness is the default for everything-the invisible standard as it were.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
44. So how exactly do I go about this with my nonwhite friends?
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:50 PM
Dec 2013

"Hey, enough with the game, let's spend some time celebrating your color!"

Because apparently by treating these folks the same as my white friends, I've been doing it all wrong.

ismnotwasm

(41,998 posts)
46. Whoa
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:17 PM
Dec 2013

Slow down.

If color isn't a personal issue with you and your friends--fine. "Treating them the same as your white friends" I'm assuming you mean by that that you don't care what color they are. You are however missing the point.

I think it's disingenuous to pretend that color doesn't matter. However, If it simply doesn't come up that's your business.

My friends of color and I always talk about racial issues because it's important, it's interesting and it brings things thing to light. We learn together. I have a black friend from the Deep South, his culture is different than mine as well as his experiences as a person of color

Tell you what. If you're white, are your experiences the same at, say a shopping mall the same as your black friends? Do you have the same proportion of relatives in prison, or have collage education in their backgrounds? Do your friends ever experience racism? How about home ownership? What proportion of white to color are your friends? How about your friends of color parents? Have they experienced racism? Do they talk about it? Why or why not? Are their culture backgrounds the same?

For instance I have a friend who just got married in a very intricate Cambodian service. It was beautiful and cool--definitely a cultural celebration. My Filipino friends have a different culture than mine as do my Ethiopian friends. Even second generation, there are differences to be explored and celebrated.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
24. Some people have friends and coworkers of several races
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 03:37 PM
Dec 2013

and really don't give a shit about any of their races, religions or ethnicity.

However, some earnest latte-sippers (who probably don't even know any members of minority groups) feel the need to pontificate about the evils of "white privilege" and how we should strive to avoid "colorblindness".

I think MLK got it right on this issue.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
33. You beat me to it ...
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:13 PM
Dec 2013

so many take one (out of context) passage of one speech, ignoring the preceding and following body of work, and claim to "color-blindness" as the ideal.

What is worse is, when corrected, they disappear ... only to return with the same interpretation.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
35. I think every one of the articles mentioned misinterpretations of the MLK statement
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:25 PM
Dec 2013

and two of the sections I quoted even did.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
57. Yep. Want to throw GD into a tailspin of confusion? Post some of MLK's FIERCELY pro-black
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 08:27 PM
Dec 2013

speeches.

These folks, who worship at the alter of the white washed MLK and work extremely hard at highlighting his non-civil rights work (his protestations of the Vietnam war, for instance. I've even seen some here go to great lengths to mention his work for the sanitation workers in Tennessee apparently oblivious to the fact that black folks are probably seriously disproportionately represented in sanitation fields TODAY, let alone 60 years ago) while overlooking, minimizing or flat out ignoring his civil rights work which is why we know his name. Which is why he won the Nobel Peace Prize. Which is why he was killed.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
59. Nooo ...
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 09:36 PM
Dec 2013

MLK was killed because he protested the war and spoke of economic parity for oppressed white folks ... I read that here on DU, so it must be true.

BTW ... In under-grad, I wrote a paper arguing that: Racism was a symptom of a/the greater illness of classism. I argued that when Malcolm was calling the white man the devil ... he was given prime-time tv air-time; but after his return from Mecca and moved towards SOME white folks are devils, he was killed ... Martin was allowed to shut down DC with the march; but when he starting taking about poor white folks, he was shot ... Jesse formed the Rainbow Coalition - tagline: "We may have got here on different ships, but we are all in the same boat", he almost changed the dialogue; but in his next run ... his Rainbow Coalition language was nowhere to be heard.

The paper was well received by my "color-blind" professor.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
30. Latte sippers vs people with black friends?
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:02 PM
Dec 2013

Nice right wing framing of the debate, but I don't think MLK would agree with your framing despite your effort to invoke his name.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
34. if you think that MLK didn't believe that white priviledge existed, you are as mistaken on this...
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 04:25 PM
Dec 2013

as you are on most issues around here.

you're on a roll.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
48. There may be some truth to this, sadly.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:38 PM
Dec 2013

just talking about differences all the time isn't exactly constructive. The all-too-common *literal* interpretation of "white privilege" theory hasn't exactly done much, either, in terms of U.S. race relations, at least.

While I think 99% of us will agree that we still have a ways to go before we can finally fully eliminate structural racism, it would certainly help if we continue to strive to accept our cultural differences, while also celebrating what we have in common.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
65. "Talking about differences" is only a problem for people who dislike, and are uncomfortable with,
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 08:55 AM
Dec 2013

difference. Much like people who accuse gays of "flaunting their sexuality" when 99.9% do no such thing.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
47. Well, while Colorblindness in of itself is not actually racist(in most cases).....
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:31 PM
Dec 2013

With that pointed out, however, it can also be said, that sadly, there *is* indeed a problem. There are indeed those people out there, many of them conservatives, who don't truly understand what MLK meant; many of these people are not racist and may not even be truly prejudiced. They merely lack the understanding of the context of his words. But, there's also some who do *actively* use such as an excuse to discount the real problems that People of Color do still face; and many of these people *are* bigots, whether outwardly or covertly.

I'm sure that many people will agree that there is a truly major, perhaps even polar, difference between the legitimate "focusing on one's character traits instead of their ethnicity&quot while also acknowledging the struggles that People of Color do continue to face, and using this belief as a tool to help better the situations of all of us) type of colorblindness, and the false "oh, there's no racism anymore because no Jim Crow, black President, etc." conservajerk B.S. agitprop.

nomorenomore08

(13,324 posts)
66. The thing is, "treating people like human beings regardless of race" *should* be the default.
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:01 AM
Dec 2013

Racism consists, in no small part, of excuses for not doing so.

DevonRex

(22,541 posts)
49. I think colorblindness misinterprets MLK's meaning.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:43 PM
Dec 2013

He said "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

He used that word specifically and intentionally. Because African Americans were, and still are sometimes, judged to be bad or criminals or inferior just because of the color of their skin. And other races and ethnicities are, too.

MLK never said he wanted culture and heritage to be erased as if it never existed. He never said "Poof, we are all white!" He said he wanted to see a day when people are judged by the content of their character. Judged to be good citizens or smart or worthy. And if they've truly done something bad, then judged according to that act but not because there is inherent wrongdoing in dark skin. Back then, many still believed that black skin was a curse from Biblical times.

He spoke specifically about this after bemoaning segregated worship. In his sermon, he talks about being one in Christ. That in Christ there is no Jew or gentile, etc., and I assume he meant to extrapolate that to no black and white. But that was for believers, not as a society. He was not speaking to culture or histiory or heritage. MLK obviously was a student of history. And the books of the Old Testament are are in large part a history of the Jewish people. Off misinterpreted, as in the curse of Ham.

"I understand that there are Christians among you who try to justify segregation on the basis of the Bible. They argue that the Negro is inferior by nature because of Noah's curse upon the children of Ham. Oh my friends, this is blasphemy. This is against everything that the Christian religion stands for. I must say to you as I have said to so many Christians before, that in Christ "there is neither Jew nor Gentile, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female, for we are all one in Christ Jesus." Moreover, I must reiterate the words that I uttered on Mars Hill: "God that made the world and all things therein . . . hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth."

IMO, people should never forget that MLK was first a minister then an activist. His public speeches were tinged with religious references but there was a marked difference between them and his sermons. In church he spoke of being one because it's all spiritual; there is no skin. In public he said people should be judged by the content of their character not by their skin because society's matters are earthly matters, in which there is history, context, culture to be learned, mourned and celebrated.

 

Shandris

(3,447 posts)
50. I reject this entire line of thought.
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 05:59 PM
Dec 2013

Racism (as in, the real racism, not the recent attempt at relabeling its meaning which, interestingly enough, removes 'race' from consideration more often than not) is and can be a problem still. I don't think anyone can reasonably deny that.

HOWEVER, I reject the entire thought that says colorblindness is a bad thing. I think people may misunderstand what it means, or claim it falsely. This does not, however, make it any less true or desirable any more than someone falsely claiming to be honest means we should reconsider whether honesty is a desirable thing or not.

I could go on at length on this topic, but I won't. It's not needed. However, I will say this much: One postulated comment is that colorblindness cannot work in a society that has not 'truly' reconciled the racism upon which it was built. Can anyone define for me the moment when 'reconciliation' will have occurred? If not, then why are we establishing a set of victory conditions that cannot be reached?

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
51. Racism will never go away in this country
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 06:14 PM
Dec 2013

because it is too big of a business for all parties involved.

Just more divide and conquer as far as I'm concerned.

gollygee

(22,336 posts)
55. OK I see you've edited it
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 07:41 PM
Dec 2013

so it isn't such a riddle.

The issue is that "colorblindness" doesn't actually make people treat everyone the same. Everyone lives in our racist society. We all do, and we can't pretend we aren't in a racist society. It won't lead to people treating people equally unless we do a lot of work first - and it's work that requires us taking a really intense look at how much lack of equality there is in how people are treated.

We can't do the work as a society we need to do and pretend not to see color at the same time.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
56. K&R Another "perfect encapsulation of white privilege" is the loud pining for the Good Old Days
Thu Dec 12, 2013, 08:17 PM
Dec 2013

that a very loud, very clueless and incredibly ignorant and insensitive crew do here regularly. Even when told that there are practically no people of color that would have any interest in returning to those "Good Old Days," they could give less than a damn and still bray to return to the Glory Days when life was great for middle and lower class white people, regardless of education or skills, primarily because that "Good Life" was handed to them (whether they deserved it or not) on the backs of women and people of color.

The problems that black people fact today -- lower incomes, massive discrepancies in prison sentencing, institutionalized racism in employment, housing and opportunities, being the victims of hate crimes more than ANY other group -- are potentially crippling, but were even WORSE in the "Good Old Days". The last thing we want to hear are privileged and blissfully clueless whites who scream about the racism from their conservative pals while blithely unaware of the beams in their own eyes.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
62. This is a term I usually hear from Republicans
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 01:35 AM
Dec 2013

Have been since the 80s at least. They believe claiming to be 'colorblind' absolves them from guilt when they yank the rug out from people because of the color of their skin. Their ongoing election fraud is a good example of it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
63. i use to do that. i thought it was right and ok. then i realized that in doing that i took away
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 01:37 AM
Dec 2013

life experience. there is nothing right about that. it makes us see wrong.

redgreenandblue

(2,088 posts)
68. The Inception-style meta-brainfuckery that are discussions of race in the United States...
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:07 AM
Dec 2013

Sometimes it seems it has gotten to a point where one needs a college degree to disentangle what is racist and what is not, and it is tiresome and elitist in a way.

Here is race in a nutshell: People are different. It is okay to ignore these differences, or to highlight them. We don't all have to be the same, nor do we all have to always get along or be "one big family". As long as you are not looking down on someone for who they are, you are fine.

boston bean

(36,223 posts)
69. It is a simplistic view that allows one to not examine the plights of others
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 09:12 AM
Dec 2013

and pretend all is well. It doesn't move the ball forward. It's a cop out, imho.

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