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BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 08:24 PM Dec 2013

Think humans are way smarter than other animals? Not so fast, Einstein!

Does your pet open the refrigerator door or hide its medicine? Now there is a scientific study that shows that animals are just as smart as human, only in different ways.

"For millennia, all kinds of authorities -- from religion to eminent scholars -- have been repeating the same idea ad nauseam, that humans are exceptional by virtue that they are the smartest in the animal kingdom," the book's co-author Dr. Arthur Saniotis, a visiting research fellow with the university's School of Medical Sciences, said in a written statement. "However, science tells us that animals can have cognitive faculties that are superior to human beings."

Not to mention, ongoing research on intelligence and primate brain evolution backs the idea that humans aren't the cleverest creatures on Earth, co-author Dr. Maciej Henneberg, a professor also at the School of Medical Sciences, told The Huffington Post in an email.

The researchers said the belief in the superiority of that human intelligence can be traced back around 10,000 years to the Agricultural Revolution, when humans began domesticating animals. The idea was reinforced with the advent of organized religion, which emphasized human beings' superiority over other creatures.

"The belief of human cognitive superiority became entrenched in human philosophy and sciences," Saniotis said in the statement. "Even Aristotle, probably the most influential of all thinkers, argued that humans were superior to other animals due to our exclusive ability to reason."


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/human-intelligence-animals_n_4400395.html
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Think humans are way smarter than other animals? Not so fast, Einstein! (Original Post) BainsBane Dec 2013 OP
If my cat had thumbs he would be a bigger terrorist than he already is. Cleita Dec 2013 #1
terrorist is a good way to describe cats BainsBane Dec 2013 #2
Not all of us feel thatway! I am a bit sad when my kittens grow up. catbyte Dec 2013 #7
Cat lovers make cats sound like terrible creatures. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #3
My poor fella has been in the vets being treated for pancreatitis the last four days. Cleita Dec 2013 #4
Cleita, I'm sorry that your Tomkitty is sick Trailrider1951 Dec 2013 #9
Thanks. They have a new method now and he seems okay with it. Cleita Dec 2013 #10
Wow, meds in a gel, now that's convenient! Trailrider1951 Dec 2013 #13
no, they vary a lot BainsBane Dec 2013 #5
They haven't convinced an entire species. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #6
Yes, Robin Williams said dogs have family. Cats have staff. Cleita Dec 2013 #17
Well,...you should see what I read about zombies. ..nt TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #11
Zombies aren't pets. ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #12
They're not?... TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #14
Ha! You proved me wrong. I bet they're not house broken though. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #16
on the plus side BainsBane Dec 2013 #19
They'll eat all your live cats. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #22
Of course...and why not?... TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #24
Probably not...but they're kinda' cute... TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #25
Funny. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2013 #29
My cat opens both cabinet doors and drawers. LWolf Dec 2013 #18
Oh my that's funny. It seems she has figured out how to do it Cleita Dec 2013 #23
That's one way of putting it, lol. LWolf Dec 2013 #37
We had to padlock our refrigerator door because the dog could open it! dorkzilla Dec 2013 #32
. LWolf Dec 2013 #38
I really should tell him to post it on YouTube dorkzilla Dec 2013 #40
You made me laugh out loud. Beacool Dec 2013 #28
I watched two people with cellphones wander right out into the street in front of cars today..... marmar Dec 2013 #8
I've seen that behavior with cats, deer and even squirrels. Cleita Dec 2013 #20
That's an everyday occurrence here on campus. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #31
I really don't like the "*-er than" comparisons. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #15
That actually is the argument of the researchers BainsBane Dec 2013 #21
My dog is not that smart. Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #26
Who goes to work to buy the dog food? BainsBane Dec 2013 #27
One way to look at it might be that rrneck Dec 2013 #30
We are destroying the natural World and our future along with it. another_liberal Dec 2013 #33
It all depends on what your interpretation of 'intelligence' is. Kablooie Dec 2013 #34
That's essentially what the study shows BainsBane Dec 2013 #35
Case in point BainsBane Dec 2013 #36
This is complete bullshit muriel_volestrangler Dec 2013 #39
Animals are good at being animals. Even better than humans. tritsofme Dec 2013 #41

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
1. If my cat had thumbs he would be a bigger terrorist than he already is.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 08:30 PM
Dec 2013

He knows how to open doors and cabinets. He just can't do it because he doesn't have hands.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
2. terrorist is a good way to describe cats
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 08:33 PM
Dec 2013

Kittens in particular. My theory is nature made them the cutest creatures on earth to avoid their extinction. Why else would anyone tolerate them? Cats definitely get better with age.

As for dogs, their absence of thumbs gives me my primary purpose in life: Official door opener and closer.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
3. Cat lovers make cats sound like terrible creatures.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 08:45 PM
Dec 2013

Just terrible. Almost everything I read about cats is just frustrating and awful.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
4. My poor fella has been in the vets being treated for pancreatitis the last four days.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 08:50 PM
Dec 2013

One of the technicians called me up to tell me what a good boy he's been and he hasn't had one of his bi-polar episodes this time where he tries to kill her when she pills him. OMG! I never thought of his crazy attack fits as being bi-polar, but he is a handful when he's in that zone.

Trailrider1951

(3,414 posts)
9. Cleita, I'm sorry that your Tomkitty is sick
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:34 PM
Dec 2013

Mine is getting over a bout with a URI that I thought would finish him off. His doc gave me some rather large pills to give him, and there was no way this cat would hold still for the dry pill down the throat thing. So I (with the vet's OK) pulverized that pill between a couple of sheets of aluminum foil with a tack hammer and added it to about 1/3 can of Fancy Feast, flaked fish and shrimp. Mix well. He gobbled it up and begged for more. There was no muss, no fuss, and Harry got much better within a few days. I hope your kitty gets better, and will tolerate any meds the vet gives him.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
10. Thanks. They have a new method now and he seems okay with it.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:39 PM
Dec 2013

They put the medication in a gel and you apply it inside his ear with one hand while the other hand gives him a treat. It works! He just needed IVs which I couldn't give him. They tell me he will come home tomorrow. Glad your Harry is on the mend as well.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
5. no, they vary a lot
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 08:50 PM
Dec 2013

Kittens are hell on wheels, but some cats are quite mellow.

I have long held that cats are the most highly evolved species on the planet. They have convinced an entire species to feed and care for them while expecting no work in return.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
18. My cat opens both cabinet doors and drawers.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:54 PM
Dec 2013

Nothing is safe, and you never know when she'll spring out of a cabinet at your feet as you walk by. I often arrive home to find items that WERE in drawers scattered around the room.

I'm in the long process of installing child-safety latches onto every damned cabinet door and drawer in the place.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
23. Oh my that's funny. It seems she has figured out how to do it
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:58 PM
Dec 2013

without thumbs. She seems like quite the personality.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
37. That's one way of putting it, lol.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 09:24 AM
Dec 2013

When I brought her home, a tiny scrap of a thing that fit in one palm, the last of a litter rescued from a dead feral mom, I gave her a cute little name. Within a few months, an epithet was added to the beginning of that name, so that it better fits her. She's the highest energy, fiercest, most intense cat I've ever had, and I've had many cats over the course of my life.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
32. We had to padlock our refrigerator door because the dog could open it!
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:57 PM
Dec 2013

My ex-husband has the videos of him doing it or else I'd post it. Dog was hellueasy to train because he was so food-centric, but the other side of the coin was the fridge trick.

Very happy my current doggies and their feline overlords haven't figured that out.

marmar

(77,084 posts)
8. I watched two people with cellphones wander right out into the street in front of cars today.....
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:27 PM
Dec 2013

...... and I watched a dog look both ways cautiously before crossing. ...... Sometimes I wonder too.


Cleita

(75,480 posts)
20. I've seen that behavior with cats, deer and even squirrels.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:55 PM
Dec 2013

Armadillos never got the message though.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
31. That's an everyday occurrence here on campus.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:51 PM
Dec 2013

Many of the young kids will cross the street glued to their cell phones, not paying any attention to potential cars coming.

It's a miracle that they all survive.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
15. I really don't like the "*-er than" comparisons.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:50 PM
Dec 2013

Different forms of life evolved and continue to evolve to better survive their particular environment. Every life form is going to be better or worse at something than another.

BECAUSE THIS IS DU AND I'LL START AN ARGUMENT OVER ANYTHING

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
21. That actually is the argument of the researchers
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 09:57 PM
Dec 2013

That there are different kinds of intelligence and that humans value reasoning, but many other forms of intelligence are every bit as useful to survival, which is the goal for every species.

Whales and dolphins have language, of course, and even individual names, according to the article.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
30. One way to look at it might be that
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 10:44 PM
Dec 2013

the success of the human species will be told as the growth - and collapse - of a too virulent virus or as a species that was able to adapt to the changes that we ourselves have wrought.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
33. We are destroying the natural World and our future along with it.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 11:01 PM
Dec 2013

I was taught that, "Intelligence is the ability to survive."

If that is true, we aren't smarter than anything else.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
34. It all depends on what your interpretation of 'intelligence' is.
Mon Dec 16, 2013, 11:14 PM
Dec 2013

I'm sure an animal would consider much of what we do that has no bearing on their own life as useless nonsense.
It all relates to context.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
35. That's essentially what the study shows
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 12:28 AM
Dec 2013

That we as humans have valued reason above all other kinds of intelligence, but there are others at which animals are at least as strong.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,322 posts)
39. This is complete bullshit
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 09:59 AM
Dec 2013

We are here, typing an argument about this, when our argument is typical evidence for humans being smarter than any other animal. We can understand the argument. That is what 'intelligence' is - understanding. They talk about gibbons having 20 different sounds to communicate with. We have more than 20 sounds (consonant and vowel sounds) in a typical language, and we can combine them to have thousands of words, and effectively unlimited sentences.

This did not start with the emergence of agriculture, either. Humans were organising complex hunts, controlling fire, and producing art long before that. They can come up with examples of some species doing one thing well - often just at the level a toddler can do something, sometimes better than that - but humans are good at all kinds of things involving intelligence.

This is just click bait from the University of Adelaide, and the Huffington Post. But that, again, shows their intelligence - they've worked out that people will click on, and spread, counter-intuitive claims. Especially if it gives people a chance to boast how smart their cat is.

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