Check in if you love Larry!

[NuclearDem]

Apparently I do, since I thought the NSA ruling was good.


So check in! Who's in charge of setting up the Larry Klayman ticker tape parade?

[spanone]

1. love the ruling....klayman is a wacko nut.

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Larry Klayman Tells Obama 'To Put The Quran Down' At Veterans Rally

check out the video, larry needs help

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/13/larry-klayman-obama-quran_n_4094589.html

[SidDithers]

2. Awwww...

struck a nerve, I guess?

Sid

[SomethingFishy]

3. LMAO in your dreams Sid...

The only "nerve" you have is equating anyone who dislikes the NSA's "Everyone is a criminal till we say otherwise" policy with right wing wack jobs who think that Obama needs to be overthrown in a coup.


Hey and while I have you here, can you do anything about those Nazi's you Canadians have unleashed on the border? I mean jesus you guys are paranoid up there. I just went through a border crossing in North Dakota and one of the guys I was with couldn't get in because he had an assault charge... in 1958! Is there something wrong with you? Does a 70 year old man with a 45 year old assault charge scare you so much that you can't let him into your country for a couple days? C'mon Sid grow a pair

[SidDithers]

8. Struck enough of a nerve that the OP decided to start a thread...

Sid

[SomethingFishy]

9. LOL.. you are nothing if not amusing Sid...

And about those border nazi's.....

[sabrina 1]

11. How about that ruling? Wasn't it great?

A victory for Democracy once it got into a regular court. Next will be all the law suits from Verizon Customers and we have a precedent now for the next hundreds of lawsuits that are about to be filed.

Struck a nerve for those apologists for the NSA's serious violations of the Constitution, I guess. They are resorting to silly distractions as usual. THAT nonsense got old a long long time ago.

I knew once we got it into a REAL court, not a Secret Court which has no place in a Democracy, the People would win.

[quinnox]

4. All I know is I'm hoping the same judge rules on the ACLU lawsuits

[tularetom]

5. Me!

Actually I sort of liked Moe better, but that isnt what you asked.

[politichew]

6. Lunatics like Larry Klayman should be monitored 24/7. nt

[sabrina 1]

12. What about the ruling? You don't like it?

[politichew]

14. Indifferent.

I don't trust Snowden.

I don't trust Greenwald.

I don't trust the NSA.

And Klayman I don't even consider to be a human being.

[sabrina 1]

17. I trust Greenwald and I trust Snowden. Know why? Because with all the smear campaigns against them,

in Greenwald's case we KNOW they were willing to pay for them, NO ONE has accused them of lying. All we get are what we saw in the HB Gary emails, attempts to 'find something' on Greenwald, 'does he have a wife, kids, anything we can use to discredit him' etc etc, distractions from the facts they are revealing. And guess what? It isn't working, they should save all that money they are paying to Security Contractors and Think tanks to come up with 'something, ANYTHING' to try to smear them with, people are savvy now to these tactics and are focusing on the facts.

And why, btw, do you trust the Right Wing, Bush appointed NSA morons but you don't trust those reporting FACTS? That seems odd.

So Klayman is the story here? Lol, not in the least and all the attempts to make him the story will fail just as all the smears against Snowden, Manning, Greenwald, Moore, and every other truth teller, have failed.

Here's how to discredit the messengers. DON'T COMMIT CRIMES when you are in positions of power, and then you will have nothing to hide, no reason to try to distract from the facts by pointing at the messengers.

And what do you think of the RULING today, you didn't say!
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[lpbk2713]

7. Loved him. Great guy.

[pinboy3niner]

10. I LOVE Larry!

And his brother Darryl and his other brother Darryl!

[Rex]

13. He is a POS 'birther', former chairman of Judical Watch and a Teabagger.

You can celebrate the man all you want to...no thanks, pass.

[NuclearDem]

16. Sarcasm on my part.

The guy's an ass, but the ruling was right. Some here just like to play guilt by association.

[sabrina 1]

18. Rex, the issue is the ruling, not the man. But of course the supporters of the 'security state' are

trying to distract from that most important ruling where the people have finally been represented, in a REAL COURT, not a Secret Court. And frankly it SHOULD have been a Democrat who filed the case. Don't blame Klayman for the lack of accountability for the massive violations of our rights, if there is no Democrat willing to take this matter to a real court and stop these Bush policies which should have been stopped years ago.

Not to mention that the NSA is still populated by Right Wing morons appointed by Bush, still pushing the policies we on the Left totally opposed back then.

I am thrilled with the ruling today, it is the first test of these policies in a 'not secret court' and has vindicated all the Civil Libertarians, all the Democrats who all along said that these policies were unconstitutional, because they ARE.

Frankly many people no longer care who brings these cases to court. Our rights have been egregiously violated for over a decade now. Where are the Democrats? Why didn't they file suit rather than leaving it to someone like Klayman? Wake me up when the Dems start challenging these Bush policies, so far I have not seen it.

[Rex]

20. Oh I can seperate the man from the ruling, just don't like the fact that it took

a racist, birther teabagger to do it!

[sabrina 1]

21. I agree. And I blame Democrats who were elected by us to stop these policies.

The not only have not even tried to stop them, they have condoned and defended them.

What people are missing in all of this though is the wonderful irony that it WAS a right winger who took the NSA to court where they could not lie, as they did to Congress. And even more interesting is that the NSA is filled with Right Wingers, Bush appointees and it was a Right Winger who defeated them.

In some ways maybe it is better that it was not a Democrat. If it had been, they would have had a field day slamming the ruling and calling Dems weak on security again.

Come to think of it credit has to go to several Republicans who could not support the crimes being committed by their party and did take action, Binney eg, to try to stop them at great expense to their own careers and lives. Comey is another and I know several more Republicans resigned their positions rather than go along with many of Bush's policies.

Since most Dems ALWAYS opposed these Bush policies, we needed to get more people on board to join us in that opposition. Klayman may have been just what was needed to get some of that support and when this country's Civil Rights are at stake, and we have waited more than a decade to get SOMEONE to do SOMETHING to stop them, I'm okay with whoever is the catalyst who gets the ball rolling. This isn't a partisan issue, it is a national issue.

[Rex]

23. Yes that is what has me really pissed off.

It should have been DEMOCRATS not a crazy Teabagger...very, very disappointed in our party right now sabrina1. Like you said, it HAD to happen from a national issue point of view.

Maybe you are right, it might be better that it was not one of our own, but you would think PROGRESSIVES would want to be at the head of this fight! NOT a birther!

Hopefully this will bear some fruit and force more open transparency.

Of course this is not any crazier than Repukes shutting down the govt over a policy written by the Heritage Foundation and endorsed by Mitt Romney!

[Zorra]

15. Classic Authoritarian Logic ~ If: You are pleased that NSA spying was ruled un-constitutional...

Then: You must love Larry Klayman.

(And are a dirty Snowden worshiping traitorous firebagging emotarian Klaymanite Paulistafarian)

[sabrina 1]

19. I know, it's kind of fun to watch them drag out that old tactic, AGAIN, and to see it fail so

spectacularly.

I am thrilled with the ruling. It's about time, and it's great to see this issue dragged out of the 'secret court' in the dungeon where all of Bush's anti-Constitutional policies got a rubber stamp.

The light of day got a very different result, and it is a victory for the people.

Sadly this should have been done years ago, by the Dems we elected to STOP these Bush policies, but the Dems didn't do so, Klayman stepped in and now we have a ruling. I'm still waiting for Democrats to start rescinding these Bush policies, AND waiting for them to FIRE all of Bush's Right Wing nutjobs in the NSA.

Have you noticed that the same people using Klayman as a distraction, have not once pointed out that the people he went after ARE RIGHT WING BUSH NUTJOBS.

Interesting, no?

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. I love trying to figure out which is right, and which is wrong...

Based on the threads started by a certain Democrat from Cali, and a response in one of those threads decrying the recs the thread announcing the decision against the NSA got, I've been wondering:

Were we wrong to rec a thread about a judge defending our Fourth Amendment rights because... Larry Klayman!

Or

Was the judge wrong in his decision because... Barack Obama!

I get so confused sometimes but it's so much fun trying to untangle the spaghetti!