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While 2013 will be remembered for the work of hundreds in advancing marriage equality, it will also be remembered for the example of one man.
BY Lucas Grindley
December 16 2013 2:23 PM ET
PERSON OF THE YEAR: POPE FRANCIS
When deciding who was the single most influential person of 2013 on the lives of LGBT people, there are obvious choices. At least, they seem so at first.
While Edie Windsor, for example, is among the list of finalists, she is not Person of the Year. Windsor is a hero to LGBT Americans for taking the final punch in the fight against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, and section 3 is no more. When she stepped out from the Supreme Court hearing, applause erupted. At the Out 100 awards, where she was given an award for Lifetime Achievement, chants of "Edie! Edie!" greeted her on stage. On the magazine's November cover, she beamed while holding a white dove a symbol.
But even Windsor herself is a powerful symbol for the many others behind the scenes. Also at the Supreme Court that day, for example, were the four plaintiffs in the related Proposition 8 case from California, and they should be lauded. Or, any of their lawyers. There's the straight team of David Boies and Ted Olson, who frequently became the public champions for marriage equality's advance through the justice system via television interviews and in news reports. Then there's attorney Roberta Kaplan, one of us, who eloquently refuted Chief Justice John Roberts when he suggested times have changed and LGBT people are no longer an oppressed minority.
It doesn't stop there. A handful of other cases could have gone to the Supreme Court this year and weren't chosen. There are plaintiffs and lawyers in all of those. They come from states ranging from Michigan to Massachusetts. Oftentimes backing the cases are the resources of LGBT rights organizations such as Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders or Lambda Legal, or more mainstream allies such as the American Civil Liberties Union. Hundreds of people work at those organizations and have been fighting the Defense of Marriage Act in court for years. Take, for example, Gill v. Office of Personnel Management, which was first filed in 2009 and originally represented 19 people.
http://www.advocate.com/year-review/2013/12/16/advocates-person-year-pope-francis
el_bryanto
(11,804 posts)they haven't received a lot of comment - the first one was largely in favor of the decision and the second was largely negative. Wonder which way this will go.
I kind of think they might have jumped the gun, but I can see their reasoning.
Bryant
rug
(82,333 posts)Behind the Aegis
(53,961 posts)For a GLBT magazine to nominate that man for "Person of the Year," is a fucking joke. Were there no deserving gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, or REAL allies to nominate?!
To clarify, a REAL ally is NOT someone who gives lip service; s/he is a person who stands WITH the GLBT community: s/he is unafraid to call out homophobia and heterosexism; s/he doesn't condescend to us by talking about "how good we have it now"; s/he doesn't try to 'distract' from our cause/movement by attacking our community; and s/he is not threatened by our sexual orientation!
TeeYiYi
(8,028 posts)TYY
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,330 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I would not support an LGBT or women's magazine naming him person of the year. He has a long way to go before he deserves that.
The economic statements he made are very important in the fight for economic fairness, but as you said, he has a long way to go before he can be considered an ally of women or the LGBT community. I think he will get there, but he isn't close yet.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Pope Francis is no ally to the LGBT community.
From HuffPo:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-gay-marriage-anti_n_2869221.html
Yes. I've posted that excerpt many times, but how many times do I have to post it before it sinks in?
rug
(82,333 posts)Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)The Advocate has fallen victim to the Pope's PR team, just like everyone else here.
rug
(82,333 posts)The choice was based on what happened since.
Nevertheless, I'm sure the Advocate's editorial team is shamed by your remarks.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)What matters is what he did in the last nine months.
I'm sure The Advocate will take to heart the comments its faithful readers have left in the comments section of the article. Let me point out a few to you:
When this guy says, "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?" he didn't say, suggest or even hint that the RCC accepts gay people. If we 'seek the Lord with good will' we are expected to confess our sin of homosexuality and to put it away by either changing or ignoring who we were created to be.
I think The Advocate may well be at the end of its usefulness to the gay community. I'm pretty sure its at the end of its usefulness to me.
Person of the Year for the LGBT community in 2013 is hands-down Edie Windsor. Not this papal numbskull.
Those are three of the four top-rated comments to the article.
Hmmmm.
rug
(82,333 posts)Don't forget to post the Yahoo comments while you're at it.
Why don't you just read the article. Then cite what you disagree with.
I understand it's easier to throw The Advocate under the bus after 46 years since this decision doesn't serve your antitheist agenda.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Your comment. It's like I'm reading Yahoo.
rug
(82,333 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)Why do you think they picked Francis but never picked Bush?
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)He got rid of a key homophobic Bishop in the US Church, but he has a very long way to go to earn this kind of honor, it seems to me.