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rug

(82,333 posts)
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 05:55 PM Dec 2013

The Advocate's Person of the Year: Pope Francis

While 2013 will be remembered for the work of hundreds in advancing marriage equality, it will also be remembered for the example of one man.



BY Lucas Grindley
December 16 2013 2:23 PM ET

PERSON OF THE YEAR: POPE FRANCIS

When deciding who was the single most influential person of 2013 on the lives of LGBT people, there are obvious choices. At least, they seem so at first.

While Edie Windsor, for example, is among the list of finalists, she is not Person of the Year. Windsor is a hero to LGBT Americans for taking the final punch in the fight against the discriminatory Defense of Marriage Act, and section 3 is no more. When she stepped out from the Supreme Court hearing, applause erupted. At the Out 100 awards, where she was given an award for Lifetime Achievement, chants of "Edie! Edie!" greeted her on stage. On the magazine's November cover, she beamed while holding a white dove — a symbol.

But even Windsor herself is a powerful symbol for the many others behind the scenes. Also at the Supreme Court that day, for example, were the four plaintiffs in the related Proposition 8 case from California, and they should be lauded. Or, any of their lawyers. There's the straight team of David Boies and Ted Olson, who frequently became the public champions for marriage equality's advance through the justice system via television interviews and in news reports. Then there's attorney Roberta Kaplan, one of us, who eloquently refuted Chief Justice John Roberts when he suggested times have changed and LGBT people are no longer an oppressed minority.

It doesn't stop there. A handful of other cases could have gone to the Supreme Court this year and weren't chosen. There are plaintiffs and lawyers in all of those. They come from states ranging from Michigan to Massachusetts. Oftentimes backing the cases are the resources of LGBT rights organizations such as Gay and Lesbian Advocates and Defenders or Lambda Legal, or more mainstream allies such as the American Civil Liberties Union. Hundreds of people work at those organizations and have been fighting the Defense of Marriage Act in court — for years. Take, for example, Gill v. Office of Personnel Management, which was first filed in 2009 and originally represented 19 people.

http://www.advocate.com/year-review/2013/12/16/advocates-person-year-pope-francis

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The Advocate's Person of the Year: Pope Francis (Original Post) rug Dec 2013 OP
This is the third posting of this that i've seen - el_bryanto Dec 2013 #1
Sorry, I just saw it. I didn't see it on the first page of GD. rug Dec 2013 #6
And that's a damn dirty shame! Behind the Aegis Dec 2013 #2
+1. ..nt TeeYiYi Dec 2013 #3
+1000 Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #4
+1000 Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2013 #13
I agree with you even as I am a Pope Francis fan so far. I expect and demand more and stevenleser Dec 2013 #15
I deeply disappointed in The Advocate. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #5
I give more credence to The Advocate than to the Huffington Post. rug Dec 2013 #7
Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make the truth go away. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #8
Neither does posting 9 month old articles. rug Dec 2013 #9
Yeah, let's just forget the first 76 years of Francis's life. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #10
LOL, the comments! OMG! rug Dec 2013 #11
Hahaha. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #12
Somehere in this subthread you will find a yahoo. rug Dec 2013 #14
WTF is up with the pope fanclub here? Why not a George Bush fanclub and be done with it. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #16
Do you think The Advocate is part of the Pope's fan club? rug Dec 2013 #17
Excellent question. But the Advocate picking the Pope is like PETA selecting Col Sanders. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #19
This isn't going to go over well BainsBane Dec 2013 #18
Nor should it. This is disgusting. It's like Ms Magazine picking Rush as their man of the year. nt Demo_Chris Dec 2013 #20
It seems premature at best BainsBane Dec 2013 #22
Never, ever underestimate a finely honed PR campaign 1000words Dec 2013 #21

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
1. This is the third posting of this that i've seen -
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:00 PM
Dec 2013

they haven't received a lot of comment - the first one was largely in favor of the decision and the second was largely negative. Wonder which way this will go.

I kind of think they might have jumped the gun, but I can see their reasoning.

Bryant

Behind the Aegis

(53,961 posts)
2. And that's a damn dirty shame!
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:00 PM
Dec 2013

For a GLBT magazine to nominate that man for "Person of the Year," is a fucking joke. Were there no deserving gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender, or REAL allies to nominate?!

To clarify, a REAL ally is NOT someone who gives lip service; s/he is a person who stands WITH the GLBT community: s/he is unafraid to call out homophobia and heterosexism; s/he doesn't condescend to us by talking about "how good we have it now"; s/he doesn't try to 'distract' from our cause/movement by attacking our community; and s/he is not threatened by our sexual orientation!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
15. I agree with you even as I am a Pope Francis fan so far. I expect and demand more and
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 08:42 PM
Dec 2013

I would not support an LGBT or women's magazine naming him person of the year. He has a long way to go before he deserves that.

The economic statements he made are very important in the fight for economic fairness, but as you said, he has a long way to go before he can be considered an ally of women or the LGBT community. I think he will get there, but he isn't close yet.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
5. I deeply disappointed in The Advocate.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:07 PM
Dec 2013

Pope Francis is no ally to the LGBT community.

From HuffPo:

Pope Francis is a conservative who is anti-gay marriage and anti-gay adoption. He has described same-sex marriage as the work of the devil and a “destructive attack on God’s plan.” He has also said that gay adoption is a form of discrimination against children.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/13/pope-francis-gay-marriage-anti_n_2869221.html

Yes. I've posted that excerpt many times, but how many times do I have to post it before it sinks in?

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
8. Sticking your head in the sand doesn't make the truth go away.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:42 PM
Dec 2013

The Advocate has fallen victim to the Pope's PR team, just like everyone else here.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
9. Neither does posting 9 month old articles.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:45 PM
Dec 2013

The choice was based on what happened since.

Nevertheless, I'm sure the Advocate's editorial team is shamed by your remarks.

 

Vashta Nerada

(3,922 posts)
10. Yeah, let's just forget the first 76 years of Francis's life.
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 06:51 PM
Dec 2013

What matters is what he did in the last nine months.



I'm sure The Advocate will take to heart the comments its faithful readers have left in the comments section of the article. Let me point out a few to you:

What a bunch of BS! It was ignorant of Time to name him 'Man of the Year'. It is unconscionable for The Advocate to do so!

When this guy says, "If someone is gay and seeks the Lord with good will, who am I to judge?" he didn't say, suggest or even hint that the RCC accepts gay people. If we 'seek the Lord with good will' we are expected to confess our sin of homosexuality and to put it away by either changing or ignoring who we were created to be.

I think The Advocate may well be at the end of its usefulness to the gay community. I'm pretty sure its at the end of its usefulness to me.


The man says a couple of vague comments about our community, changes not one of its teachings and now he's person of the year? Are you fucking kidding me? My how easily we forget all the horrible things this man said about us before he became Pope. Teachers are still routinely fired for being gay and the catholic church is still front and center in actively denying us our civil rughts everywhere in the world that they can - and THIS is the person you choose as Person of the Year??? I hate to say this but The Advocate has become a disgrace and I feel embarassed and ashamed for them. The tortured logic of the this article only speaks to the truly desparate for acceptance mindset of its writers. What a sad end to a once great magazine.


Is the Advocate run by a bunch of Catholics?

Person of the Year for the LGBT community in 2013 is hands-down Edie Windsor. Not this papal numbskull.


Those are three of the four top-rated comments to the article.

Hmmmm.
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
11. LOL, the comments! OMG!
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 07:56 PM
Dec 2013

Don't forget to post the Yahoo comments while you're at it.

Why don't you just read the article. Then cite what you disagree with.

I understand it's easier to throw The Advocate under the bus after 46 years since this decision doesn't serve your antitheist agenda.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
17. Do you think The Advocate is part of the Pope's fan club?
Tue Dec 17, 2013, 09:56 PM
Dec 2013

Why do you think they picked Francis but never picked Bush?

 

Demo_Chris

(6,234 posts)
20. Nor should it. This is disgusting. It's like Ms Magazine picking Rush as their man of the year. nt
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 12:42 AM
Dec 2013

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
22. It seems premature at best
Wed Dec 18, 2013, 01:10 AM
Dec 2013

He got rid of a key homophobic Bishop in the US Church, but he has a very long way to go to earn this kind of honor, it seems to me.

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