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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBitcoin lawsuit shakes the industry.
My advice? Don't get bit.
http://www.inc.com/eric-markowitz/a-bitcoin-lawsuit-shakes-the-industry.html?cid=ps01902money
Mt.Gox, the Tokyo-based exhange that currently handles about three-fourths of all Bitcoin trades in the world, is suing the Seattle-based Bitcoin exchange CoinLab for about $5.3 million.
Last February, the two companies announced a partnership--CoinLab would become Mt.Gox's exclusive North American agent. The deal made sense, largely because Mt.Gox couldn't serve the American market efficiently. But by May 2013, things had gone awry. CoinLab claimed Mt. Gox breached the contract. "Defendants have breached the exclusivity provisions of the Agreement by directly servicing customers in the United States and Canada since the Agreement took effect," CoinLab alleged. The exchange announed it was suing Mt.Gox for $75 million.
While that case is still pending, Mt.Gox released its countersuit earlier this week. In it, Mt.Gox argues that when the partnership was dissolved in May, CoinLab was sitting on about $12 million of its customers' money. There are 12 counterclaims in total, but the most urgent is this: Mt.Gox says that CoinLab handed over about half of the money it received from Mt.Gox customers, but is still squatting on some $5.3 million.
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Regardless of the result, the turmoil between the two exchanges is likely a roadblock to major Bitcoin adoption. In the short term, the severed partnership has essentially made it more expensive for customers to withdraw money from their Mt.Gox accounts. But the longer-term effects of the litigation will likely hit the public's perception of Bitcoin. In other words, if Bitcoin exchanges like Mt.Gox and CoinLab can't assure the public that they'll even be operational in the next year, is it really likely that large numbers of businesses--not to mention average Americans--will consider using the crypto-currency?
TeamPooka
(24,229 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)The Dutch couldn't even eat them when the market crashed.
Of course, BitCoins don't even exist except in the arguably murky world of Internet and mathematics.
tridim
(45,358 posts)Which can be worth exactly nothing at any time for any reason.
Typical of all pyramid schemes.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)It seems to me this is like a guy walking up to me on the street with a Juicyfruit wrapper and saying "This is going to become a new currency. Buy it from me".
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)"Why do bitcoins have value?
Bitcoins have value because they are useful as a form of money. Bitcoin has the characteristics of money (durability, portability, fungibility, scarcity, divisibility, and recognizability) based on the properties of mathematics rather than relying on physical properties (like gold and silver) or trust in central authorities (like fiat currencies). In short, Bitcoin is backed by mathematics. With these attributes, all that is required for a form of money to hold value is trust and adoption. In the case of Bitcoin, this can be measured by its growing base of users, merchants, and startups. As with all currency, bitcoin's value comes only and directly from people willing to accept them as payment."
Well, isn't that special.... I'm sure some schemers will make money with this but in the end it's a valueless currency, it seems to me.
I'm going to sell my stocks and precious metals and buy some math!
SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)"With these attributes, all that is required for a form of money to hold value is trust and adoption."
"Trust us" is their backing.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)willing to accept them as payment."
Translation: the more people who are duped into buying them, the more they'll be worth."
dionysus
(26,467 posts)it's akin to the fools who rush to buy gold...
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)of the Federal Reserve by setting up their own monetary system based on nothing.
Good luck with that.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)But at least there are actual uses for gold, other than as money.
With bit coins, there is nothing.
grahamhgreen
(15,741 posts)Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Rothschilds NWO Aliens (your choice) and feel that our money is backed by "nothing" have no problem with a currency invented by person or group of people unknown who control a large fraction of it, and can literally disappear from existence with the push of a button or be rendered worthless by mistake.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)IDemo
(16,926 posts)in "The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT:
Um listen, if we could, er, for a moment move on to the subject of fiscal policy -
FORD:
Fiscal Policy?!
MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT:
Yes.
FORD:
How can you have money if none of you actually produce anything? It doesnt grow on trees you know!
MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT:
You know If you would allow me to continue!
CAPTAIN:
Yes let him to continue.
MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT:
Since we decided a few weeks ago to adopt leaves as legal tender, we have, of course all become immensely rich.
FORD:
No really? Really?
CROWD MEMBERS:
Yes, very good move
MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT:
But, we have also run into a small inflation problem on account of the high level of leaf availability. Which means that I gather the current going rate has something like three major deciduous forests buying one ships peanut. So, um, in order to obviate this problem and effectively revalue the leaf, we are about to embark on an extensive defoliation campaign, and um, burn down all the forests. I think thats a sensible move dont you?
MARKETING GIRL:
That makes economic sense.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)SomethingFishy
(4,876 posts)And people wonder why satire is hard to identify these days..
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Bought my Bitcoins back when they were trading just under $2, and I was doing some purchases of a certain skunky herb from a certain silky road. When police pressure started to make SR risky, I went elsewhere and forgot about them.
When the price started to escalate, I sold my remaining bitcoins (which I'd paid around $50 for) for a couple grand. I thought I did pretty well until the price KEPT escalating. If I'd held them, I could have sold them for nearly $30,000 at the peak. Still, I'm not going to complain about "only" turning $50 into a couple thousand...I did pretty well overall.
I like the concept behind bitcoin, but it's clearly vulnerable to speculation and wild swings in value. It's not something I'd put any real amount of money in.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)except that the overhead won't be paying into state school funds or whatever.
And you did win!
Xithras
(16,191 posts)When I bought it a few years ago, it was already known to experience wild fluctuations in value. It could be worth $1 one day, $2 the next, and 50 cents the day after that. When I bought, I was more worried about what I would probably lose than what I could make. My only real goal was to buy some pot and hash oil before the value plunged again.
The fact that the price shot through the roof shocked me as much as it did anyone else. Of course, it's also a bit depressing to realize that I bought and used many hundreds of dollars worth of Bitcoins before I decided that Silk Road was getting too risky, and I spent most of those Bitcoins on pot. If you look at the potential value of those Bitcoins, and the amount of pot I got from them, even my stingiest pinners cost me hundreds of dollars. If I'd banked those Bitcoins instead of buying pot, I'd have turned a six figure profit.
Ah well. I should have bought AAPL too. Hindsight is 20/20
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Amazon, etc.
bobclark86
(1,415 posts)Money is only worth something because we all agree it is.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)since it can be used to make things we need (like dental crowns) or want.
Bit coins are nothing.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)You like betting? You like taking big or little chances for a buck? Do it. It's entertainment not economics. But don't put anything into it you can't afford to lose.
And it's not based on mathematics, it's more like arithmetic.