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Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 09:40 PM Dec 2013

Examples of controversial gentrification from your city.

Gentrification of neighbourhoods is one area where I think we on the left are often divided. On the one hand those who are the "gentrifiers" are often at the forefront of the liberal movement. Gay and lesbian communities and artists colonies for example. But quite often the process of gentrification displace the poor, minorities and those in need. It may be seen as an effort to boost an ailing local economy and revitalize an otherwise dead part of the inner city, but the long term effects are often the creation of an upper class neighbourhood at the expense of the poor, the loss of low income housing and social services in the area.

Here in Vancouver this has been slowly happening to the infamous down town east side. I'm sure anyone who knows much about Vancouver knows we have one of the more famous "skid row" districts in north america. A roughly 4 - 6 square block area of the city with probably some of the densest concentrations of people with drug addictions, mental health issues, homelessness, prostitution and more in north america. Well in recent years there has been a push to gentrify some of the periphery of this area. Some of it was well meaning, for example the old "Woodwards" building was replaced with a tall building that was a unique mix of low income housing and more traditional middle class apartments. The idea was to try to consciously integrate the poor with the middle to lower middle class to help to try to reduce the stigmatism associated with the neighbourhood. Several other apartment complexes have gone up in the area since, I believe some of these also have tried to integrate low income housing into the mix. But along with the success of these projects have come trendy bars, restaurants and other similar stores. The straw that broke the camels back so to speak for many was the opening of an up scale restaurant called "Pidgin" across from the famous "Pigeon Park", thus a play on words. Pigeon park has long had one of the worst reputations in the city as a place for crime and drug deals.



The opening of such an up scale restaurant right across the street, and particularly in conjunction with the name, struck many local residents as a particularly distasteful slap in the face. As a result this past year saw endless angry protests outsides the restaurant. The owners and those who work there were even threatened and customers were publicly shamed. Ironically this has served to only boost the popularity of the establishment. However this is only one in a string of such upscale places that have opened in recent years among the local bankrupt and boarded up businesses. It's become quite a contentious issue in recent years with protests like this one becoming more common.



What examples of controversial gentrification do you have from your city?

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Examples of controversial gentrification from your city. (Original Post) Locut0s Dec 2013 OP
You need that Da Vinci coroner guy murielm99 Dec 2013 #1
Lol, despite being set here in Vancouver... Locut0s Dec 2013 #8
I've always liked the show. murielm99 Dec 2013 #9
The ridiculously expensive fake suspension bridge... malokvale77 Dec 2013 #2
All social issues aside, as a lover of architecture... Locut0s Dec 2013 #7
Long story short... malokvale77 Dec 2013 #10
I see. Yeah I think I'll have to agree with you on that. nt. Locut0s Dec 2013 #11
Just to be clear... malokvale77 Dec 2013 #12
"only boost the popularity" seattledo Dec 2013 #3
Yeah I know right?... Locut0s Dec 2013 #5
In severely impoverished Detroit etherealtruth Dec 2013 #4
How do people feel about it? Locut0s Dec 2013 #6
I think you have a point etherealtruth Dec 2013 #14
When I came to New York in the mid-90's, parts of Manhattan closeupready Dec 2013 #13
You're right. Brooklyn is... meaculpa2011 Dec 2013 #15
BTW... meaculpa2011 Dec 2013 #16

murielm99

(30,745 posts)
9. I've always liked the show.
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:46 PM
Dec 2013

It is good to see Canadian TV in the U.S., too. You guys have some good shows, and I get sick of the same old, same old.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
7. All social issues aside, as a lover of architecture...
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:43 PM
Dec 2013

That's an interesting looking structure

Has there been anger in Dallas over its construction?

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
10. Long story short...
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 12:40 AM
Dec 2013

The referendum was worded so a no vote meant yes. The bridge is a distraction from the destruction it crosses. There is another one in the plans to do the same thing.

I'd rather have a clean river than an interesting structure.

malokvale77

(4,879 posts)
12. Just to be clear...
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 01:10 AM
Dec 2013

The clean up of the river would have been cheaper for residences. Business didn't like it. They are now free to pollute. The bridge makes them feel good. Tourists will flock to Dallas to see such a grand sight. Kind of like Jerryworld, LOL.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
5. Yeah I know right?...
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:39 PM
Dec 2013

I was listening to the story CBC radio and they interviewed the restaurant owner. He said since the protests and threats they had received, and despite some of the public shaming that business at the restaurant actually dramatically went up. Some were just curious what all the fuss was about but many apparently actually showed up to lend support.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
4. In severely impoverished Detroit
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:06 PM
Dec 2013

The (blighted) downtown area is being being restored (adaptive re-use) for trendy upscale lofts and luxury apartments.

Locut0s

(6,154 posts)
6. How do people feel about it?
Sun Dec 22, 2013, 10:40 PM
Dec 2013

Detroit seems like a unique case given just how utterly huge the "dead zone" is.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
13. When I came to New York in the mid-90's, parts of Manhattan
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 01:34 AM
Dec 2013

were dodgy - even right on Central Park's upper west corner, there were flophouses and shooting galleries. It wasn't a pleasant place, even during the day. Get off the subway at night and you'd see packs of rats roaming piles of garbage. Same was true of the East Village, though maybe a few degrees less.

Brooklyn was still the joke it had always been. I recall in those first weeks of coming here meeting one older guy (from that Upper West Side area around Columbia) who was born and raised in Manhattan - he said that he'd never been to Brooklyn, and he wasn't being snooty - at the time, there really WAS no reason for someone in Manhattan to go to Brooklyn - whatever Brooklyn had, Manhattan had but bigger, better, more fun, glamorous, and you could cab there and back. (I still think Brooklyn is a joke, but newcomers haven't quite pieced it together yet, which, hey, that's fine with me, lol - I'm not wasting my money on a downpayment for a shoebox in Brooklyn; let them figure out it's a pain in the ass to schlep across the East River whenever you want to actually DO something.)

Anyway, getting back to your point, those examples aren't really controversial, since by most measures, life is better - less crime, less vandalism and graffiti, residents who respect their neighbors and laws, who just want to come and go about their business without interfering in others' lives.

I guess the biggest drawback of the ongoing gentrification is that the urban infrastructure is not equipped to service the thousands of new residents who depend upon that infrastructure and those city services in order to just live, day-to-day. Trains don't come, when they do, they are crowded, scarce parking becomes even more scarce, more noise, filth, garbage, vermin. Eventually, government services will catch up, but it's stressful on those who've been here for quite a while, and were doing just fine as things were.

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
15. You're right. Brooklyn is...
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 07:50 AM
Dec 2013

a joke.

We have better restaurants, more diverse neighborhoods, much younger and more vibrant creative and artistic communities, better and more affordable housing, and most of all far fewer insufferable sycophants and dilettantes.

What's your opinion of Queens?

meaculpa2011

(918 posts)
16. BTW...
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 07:54 AM
Dec 2013

By the mid-90s Manhattan (all of NYC really) was already improving.

You should have come here in the 70s. You would have run back to Bugtussel screaming and crying.

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