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Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 05:56 AM Dec 2013

TEPCO detects record radiation at Fukushima’s reactor 2, new leak suspected

TEPCO has found a record 1.9 million becquerels per liter of beta ray-emitting radioactive substances at its No.2 reactor. Also radioactive cesium was detected in deeper groundwater at No.4 unit’s well, as fears grow of a new leak into the ocean.

The level of beta ray-emitting radioactivity in groundwater around the crippled Fukushima reactor No. 2 reactor has been rising since November, NHK reported.

Previous the highest level – 1.8 million becquerels (bq/liter), of beta-ray sources per liter - was registered at reactor No.1 on December 13.

http://rt.com/news/fukushima-record-radiation-leak-616/


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TEPCO detects record radiation at Fukushima’s reactor 2, new leak suspected (Original Post) Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 OP
. Berlum Dec 2013 #1
Clean, safe, abundant. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #2
What a mess malaise Dec 2013 #3
But but but... nikto Dec 2013 #4
Those who wish to see the potential "fallout" chervilant Dec 2013 #5
This is a long term disaster, no doubt about it madokie Dec 2013 #6
RT. LOL...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #7
THE ASAHI SHIMBUN and Japan Times Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #8
So why use RT?...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #10
Who cares what Sid thinks Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #12
Who cares what RT thinks?... SidDithers Dec 2013 #14
RT translated the Japanese story first Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #15
The two links you provided are reporting something quite different than the RT story...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #17
No one with an IQ over room temperature. N/t 99Forever Dec 2013 #45
Japan! LOL BelgianMadCow Dec 2013 #11
SidDithers, DU's friend of atomic Powers. Octafish Dec 2013 #27
With you, octafish, it's always the BFEE. Everything comes back to the BFEE... SidDithers Dec 2013 #30
Smedley Butler noticed that too. Octafish Dec 2013 #31
Careful, octafish, I think HW is hiding in you bushes...nt SidDithers Dec 2013 #33
Always defending the BFEE. Octafish Dec 2013 #35
Defending the BFEE... SidDithers Dec 2013 #36
Show even one post where you criticize a Bush crime. Octafish Dec 2013 #37
No... SidDithers Dec 2013 #38
Because criticizing BFEE warmongers and banksters isn't your thing. Octafish Dec 2013 #39
Creative Speculation is here:... SidDithers Dec 2013 #40
Nothing speculative in what I post. Octafish Dec 2013 #41
"41. Nothing speculative in what I post."... SidDithers Dec 2013 #42
Not. I find BFEE posts from Octafish some of the best posts at DU. And I don't really mind that lonestarnot Dec 2013 #44
If you could counter what I post about the BFEE, you would, right, SidDithers? Octafish Dec 2013 #49
Can anyone tell me what this means? rgbecker Dec 2013 #9
It would follow what the Russians did Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #13
I will take a swing, Soundman Dec 2013 #18
Thanks Soundman....really helps...a couple of questions. rgbecker Dec 2013 #19
Number 3 Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #20
Reminds me of the Toyota Throttle issue. rgbecker Dec 2013 #22
Each National culture has its own faults Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #25
Sure Soundman Dec 2013 #24
Thanks, I needed that. broiles Dec 2013 #29
du rec. xchrom Dec 2013 #16
Just wanted to add this link to another DU post about Fukushima radiation. rgbecker Dec 2013 #21
My Dad worked at Sandia Base Ichingcarpenter Dec 2013 #23
here.. PCIntern Dec 2013 #26
Bananas contain more radiation than a rat's ass strapped to a Nike nose cone. Octafish Dec 2013 #28
this is going to be the biggest man-made catastrophe in recorded history to date PCIntern Dec 2013 #34
It sure is madokie Dec 2013 #48
So it's not only Rudolph's nose that will be glowing this year? truebrit71 Dec 2013 #32
Hey, I suspect poor Rudolph has been eating nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #47
I fear it will only get worse RobertEarl Dec 2013 #43
Even the Rich Ass Hole 1% will have a place to hide, will they ever get it? mitty14u2 Dec 2013 #46
 

nikto

(3,284 posts)
4. But but but...
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 07:32 AM
Dec 2013

Representatives of the Nuclear Industry insist that everything is OK, and there
are no serious problems.

So, stop worryin'!!

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
14. Who cares what RT thinks?...
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:52 AM
Dec 2013

Why not post the original source articles, instead of the hysterical spin put out by RT?

Sid

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
15. RT translated the Japanese story first
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 09:29 AM
Dec 2013

If you look at the time dates the Japanese reported this a day later.
The DATA is the same for all stories

RT reported it first in English.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
27. SidDithers, DU's friend of atomic Powers.
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:48 AM
Dec 2013
Fukushima, Plutonium, CIA, and the BFEE: Deep Doo-Doo Four Ways to Doomsday

The story connects a few dots from the present day back to World War II.



War crime, Yakuza, Secret Government. Why not?



Japan’s Nuclear Industry: The CIA Link.

By Eleanor Warnock
June 1, 2012, 10:18 AM JST.
Wall Street Journal Blog

Tetsuo Arima, a researcher at Waseda University in Tokyo, told JRT he discovered in the U.S. National Archives a trove of declassified CIA files that showed how one man, Matsutaro Shoriki, was instrumental in jumpstarting Japan’s nascent nuclear industry.

Mr. Shoriki was many things: a Class A war criminal, the head of the Yomiuri Shimbun (Japan’s biggest-selling and most influential newspaper) and the founder of both the country’s first commercial broadcaster and the Tokyo Giants baseball team. Less well known, according to Mr. Arima, was that the media mogul worked with the CIA to promote nuclear power.

SNIP...

Mr. Shoriki, backed by the CIA, used his influence to publish articles in the Yomiuri that extolled the virtues of nuclear power, according to the documents found by Mr. Arima. Keen on remilitarizing Japan, Mr. Shoriki endorsed nuclear power in hopes its development would one day arm the country with the ability to make its own nuclear weapons, according to Mr. Arima. Mr. Shoriki’s behind-the-scenes push created a chain reaction in other media that eventually changed public opinion.

SNIP…

Mr. Shoriki, backed by the CIA, used his influence to publish articles in the Yomiuri that extolled the virtues of nuclear power, according to the documents found by Mr. Arima. Keen on remilitarizing Japan, Mr. Shoriki endorsed nuclear power in hopes its development would one day arm the country with the ability to make its own nuclear weapons, according to Mr. Arima. Mr. Shoriki’s behind-the-scenes push created a chain reaction in other media that eventually changed public opinion.

CONTINUED...

http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2012/06/01/japans-nuclear-industry-the-cia-link/



After President Carter was out of office, it was pretty much full-steam ahead for the Japanese bomb during the Pruneface Ronnie-Poppy Bush years. Hence, Fukushima Daiichi Number 3 and other select Japanese reactors were set up to process plutonium uranium fuels.



United States Circumvented Laws To Help Japan Accumulate Tons of Plutonium

By Joseph Trento
on April 9th, 2012
National Security News Service

The United States deliberately allowed Japan access to the United States’ most secret nuclear weapons facilities while it transferred tens of billions of dollars worth of American tax paid research that has allowed Japan to amass 70 tons of weapons grade plutonium since the 1980s, a National Security News Service investigation reveals. These activities repeatedly violated U.S. laws regarding controls of sensitive nuclear materials that could be diverted to weapons programs in Japan. The NSNS investigation found that the United States has known about a secret nuclear weapons program in Japan since the 1960s, according to CIA reports.

The diversion of U.S. classified technology began during the Reagan administration after it allowed a $10 billion reactor sale to China. Japan protested that sensitive technology was being sold to a potential nuclear adversary. The Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations permitted sensitive technology and nuclear materials to be transferred to Japan despite laws and treaties preventing such transfers. Highly sensitive technology on plutonium separation from the U.S. Department of Energy’s Savannah River Site and Hanford nuclear weapons complex, as well as tens of billions of dollars worth of breeder reactor research was turned over to Japan with almost no safeguards against proliferation. Japanese scientist and technicians were given access to both Hanford and Savannah River as part of the transfer process.

SNIP...

A year ago a natural disaster combined with a man-made tragedy decimated Northern Japan and came close to making Tokyo, a city of 30 million people, uninhabitable. Nuclear tragedies plague Japan’s modern history. It is the only nation in the world attacked with nuclear weapons. In March 2011, after a tsunami swept on shore, hydrogen explosions and the subsequent meltdowns of three reactors at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant spewed radiation across the region. Like the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan will face the aftermath for generations. A twelve-mile area around the site is considered uninhabitable. It is a national sacrifice zone.

How Japan ended up in this nuclear nightmare is a subject the National Security News Service has been investigating since 1991. We learned that Japan had a dual use nuclear program. The public program was to develop and provide unlimited energy for the country. But there was also a secret component, an undeclared nuclear weapons program that would allow Japan to amass enough nuclear material and technology to become a major nuclear power on short notice.

CONTINUED...

http://www.dcbureau.org/201204097128/national-security-news-service/united-states-circumvented-laws-to-help-japan-accumulate-tons-of-plutonium.html



Those of who have seen The World at War series on the tee vee are familiar with the black and white footage and great narrative chronicling the main events and figures of World War II. One of those episodes was entitled "The Bomb" and featured an interview with John J. McCloy, Assistant Secretary of War to President Roosevelt and President Truman.



Here's part of what Mr. McCloy said about the Atomic Bomb – the use of which he counseled only as a last resort, after warning Japan to surrender (around 7:30 mark of Part 2):

“Besides that, we’ve got a new force, a new type of energy that will revolutionize warfare, destructive beyond any contemplation. I’d said, I’d mention the bomb. Mentioning the bomb, even at that late date, in that select group, was like, it was like they were all shocked. Because it was such a closely guarded secret. It was comparable to mentioning Skull and Bones at Yale – which you’re not supposed to do.”

After the war, McCloy was the United States High Commissioner to Germany, administering the U.S. zone of occupation, making him one of the front-line leaders of the Cold War. In that capacity, one of the questionable things he did was to forgive several NAZI industrialists and war criminals.

The great cartoonist Herb Block, HERBLOCK, depicted McCloy holding open a prison door for a NAZI, while in the background Stalin took a photo (if anyone has a copy or link to the cartoon, I’d be much obliged). About 15 years later, Mr. McCloy served the nation as a member of the Warren Commission.

While he wasn’t a member of Skull and Bones, McCloy certainly worked closely with a bunch of them, including Averell Harriman and Prescott Bush. As a Wall Street and Washington insider, "Mr. Establishment" he was called, Mr. McCloy used the offices of government to centralize power and wealth. That is most un-democratic.

Mother Jones goes into detail:



The Nuclear Weapons Industry's Money Bombs

How millions in campaign cash and revolving-door lobbying have kept America's atomic arsenal off the chopping block.

— By R. Jeffrey Smith, Center for Public Integrity
Mother Jones
Wed Jun. 6, 2012 3:00 AM PDT

Employees of private companies that produce the main pieces of the US nuclear arsenal have invested more than $18 million in the election campaigns of lawmakers that oversee related federal spending, and the companies also employ more than 95 former members of Congress or Capitol Hill staff to lobby for government funding, according to a new report.

The Center for International Policy, a nonprofit group that supports the "demilitarization" of US foreign policy, released the report on Wednesday to highlight what it described as the heavy influence of campaign donations and pork-barrel politics on a part of the defense budget not usually associated with large profits or contractor power: nuclear arms.

As Congress deliberated this spring on nuclear weapons-related projects, including funding for the development of more modern submarines and bombers, the top 14 contractors gave nearly $3 million to the 2012 reelection campaigns of lawmakers whose support they needed for these and other projects, the report disclosed.

Half of that sum went to members of the four key committees or subcommittees that must approve all spending for nuclear arms—the House and Senate Armed Services Committees and the Energy and Water or Defense appropriations subcommittees, according to data the Center compiled from the nonprofit Center for Responsive Politics. The rest went to lawmakers who are active on nuclear weapons issues because they have related factories or laboratories in their states or districts.

Members of the House Armed Services Committee this year have sought to erect legislative roadblocks to further reductions in nuclear arms, and also demanded more spending for related facilities than the Obama administration sought, including $100 million in unrequested funds for a new plant that will make plutonium cores for nuclear warheads, and $374 million for a new ballistic missile-firing submarine. The House has approved those requests, but the Senate has not held a similar vote on the 2013 defense bill.

CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/06/nuclear-bombs-congress-elections-campaign-donations



It isn't ironic or coincidental. It is the Establishment, the in-group, the Elite, the One-Percent that’s pretty much gotten the lion’s share of the wealth created over the last 50 years. The same group that’s pretty much had their fingers on the atomic button ever since the Bomb was dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as well as profited from the development of nuclear power, nuclear weapons, and the almost continuous state of war since then. For lack of a better term, I call them the BFEE, or War Party.

So, what's SidDithers -- the first to respond to the June 12, 2012 OP from which the above is taken -- have to say?

Thank you for this post...

It's all kinds of awesome.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002794278#post1

SidDithers wants DU to LOL about Fukushima, nuclear power or the Powers that control it. I don't see why. Not only are nuclear power and nuclear weapons dangerous to humanity, they are un-democratic in the extreme.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
31. Smedley Butler noticed that too.
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 02:09 PM
Dec 2013

"I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents." -- Maj. Gen. Smedley Darlington Butler, USMC (ret.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6150066

Notice how SidDithers never criticizes the Bush family, longtime business partners of Brown Brothers Harriman and their attorneys, Allen Dulles and John Foster Dulles of Sullivan & Cromwell.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
39. Because criticizing BFEE warmongers and banksters isn't your thing.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:14 AM
Dec 2013

Instead, you criticize me, one who does shed light on the warmongers and banksters of the Bush crime family.

You know, you're on the wrong board, SidDithers.



Octafish

(55,745 posts)
41. Nothing speculative in what I post.
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:29 AM
Dec 2013

That's why I use so many links to the original sources, so DUers can see for themselves. Here's an example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022073759

You still have not explained why you never criticize the BFEE, SidDithers.


SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
42. "41. Nothing speculative in what I post."...
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:33 AM
Dec 2013


Dude, that's all you post. You've never met a CT or bit of woo that you didn't think was legitimate.

Sid
 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
44. Not. I find BFEE posts from Octafish some of the best posts at DU. And I don't really mind that
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:41 AM
Dec 2013

you were talking to him. And I'll bet in his history here, he has posted on other topics. Hmmmmf.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
49. If you could counter what I post about the BFEE, you would, right, SidDithers?
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 01:25 AM
Dec 2013

Since you can't, all you got are smears, threats, ridicule, and all manner of diversion.

Here's another example:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=2416498

Your responses, for some reason, don't make me think you understand the difference between good Democrats like Robert F. Kennedy and his son and the for-crap friends of traitors, warmongers, mass murderers, drug dealers, banksters and election thieves that are the BFEE.

Why that is, SidDithers, is your business, not mine.


rgbecker

(4,832 posts)
9. Can anyone tell me what this means?
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:46 AM
Dec 2013

I've read a few of the these posts about the Fukushima reactors but they go right through one ear and out the other and then over my head. I'm sure I'm not the only one trying to understand the situation.

Are there people being exposed to the high radiation? Do those little white suits protect the workers from the radiation? What are people actually doing to keep the radioactive water from getting into the ocean or the ground water? I know Chernoble is abandoned and all around it, but it wasn't located on an ocean coast....will Fukushima continually pollute the ocean from now to eternity?

Would filling the entire site with concrete keep the radiation contained?

Just wondering if there is a kid's guide to Fukushima somewhere.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
13. It would follow what the Russians did
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 08:52 AM
Dec 2013

with their disaster, so I expect that in the future, but not until gets more under control.

 

Soundman

(297 posts)
18. I will take a swing,
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 10:45 AM
Dec 2013

Ignore the parts you may already know.

Nuclear reactors use radio active material to boil water that in turn makes steam that is used to turn turbines that drive the electric generators. Primitive really.

When Japan experienced the earth quake and ensuing tsunami the plant lost the capability to cool the reactors.

Three of the reactors that are at the center of this story were in operation at the time of the earthquake . One was ready to receive new fuel which was being stored within the reactor in a cooling pool. (The rods that are taken out of service still maintain a great deal of energy, they just are no longer efficient for boiling the water. So they have to store them. In this case they are stored above ground in the reactor building itself (pure genius)).

Three of the reactors lost enough cooling water that the radioactive rods were exposed to air. The temperature became so great the the material began to melt, hence the term melt down.

This molten mass now called corium is what is causing the problems.

Nobody knows for sure where this stuff is. Some say it has melted through containment and is now in the earth. It is far to radio active for humans or even cameras to enter them so no one knows for certain where it is. The utility company Tepco, claims that this (corium) is still contained and they have it in "cold shutdown" so essentially the are saying there is a partially melted ball of radio active metal that they now have under control as they are able to recirculate cooling water around it, and no further melting is taking place. Okay now the problem they are facing.

The cooling system is a closed loop. Meaning the water should never be exposed to the atmosphere. Unfortunately they have to keep adding water to make up for loss, this loss is the problem. They don't know where it is going, or where it is leaking from. At this point in time they have no short term plan to fix this.

They have drilled wells around the plant site and monitor the groundwater. They are reporting the results of samples taken in the article.

These results are totally open to interpretation. While they tell you the concentration of the contaminates, it does not tell you the quantity. Kind of a gross example but, if you took a dump in a coffee cup and put a little water in the cup you would probably say that cup is full of crap. Take the cup and dump it in the ocean, eh not so much. So the debate really comes down to how much is making it into the ocean.

So one camp is saying doom devastation. The others say due to being diluted it is not an issue.

At any rate, avoiding anything that comes out of the pacific ocean between California and Japan would probably be prudent. At this time that is about the only worry the average person has. Remember the pools where I said they put the used fuel? Many people worry that there could be a collapse because of building damage, if that were to happen, very, very bad news for humanity.

I hope that helped some.



rgbecker

(4,832 posts)
19. Thanks Soundman....really helps...a couple of questions.
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:02 AM
Dec 2013

1. So are people actually working there trying to do something (Like find and stop the leaks) or is it just people in an office just monitoring the gauges?

2. I know they are trying to move the spent rods to a different storage area. Is that for fear of the building collapse you mentioned? Have there been any reports of the success of the transfer?

3. I'm really interested in the hands on work that is being done. How do they find people willing to work in these radioactive areas? Certainly those suits don't offer fool proof protection...or do they?

4. The collapsing building syndrome: Besides the spelt cooling water, the uncovered rods would continue to react...it that the major concern or is there something else? Once again, I'm wondering about the actual workers exposure and if they are doing any work there like rebuilding the buildings...supporting damaged areas etc. or is it too "hot" to send anybody in?

Thanks again.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
20. Number 3
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:14 AM
Dec 2013

the Yakuza used people who owed them debt to do some of clean up

The Russians offered help as did the EU and US but the japanese turned them down as they did all international offers..


The Japanese have a huge denial guilt thing in their culture that underplays the situation and under reports it. Notice the time stamp.

The energy company in Japan has repeatedly lied, misrepresented, denied, underestimated. to the public and government but are a huge corporate entity on the world stage .

I believe world technology can find solutions but not with lying, denial and bullshit




rgbecker

(4,832 posts)
22. Reminds me of the Toyota Throttle issue.
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:19 AM
Dec 2013

How long did it take them to finally admit something was causing those cars to over rev and take off on their own?

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
25. Each National culture has its own faults
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:33 AM
Dec 2013

The Japanese have a politeness that permeates into a denial of what is really going on.

Got to go... leaving on a road trip for Xmas family stuff.

 

Soundman

(297 posts)
24. Sure
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:31 AM
Dec 2013

Last edited Mon Dec 23, 2013, 12:10 PM - Edit history (1)

1: Yes they are. They have built a sea of storage containers. They have also brought in treatment equipment to try and treat the waste water. So,they are storing what they can find and get too. They have also wrapped the reactors in a materiel to help isolate them from the atmosphere. They have also made some fairly substantial structural repairs to shore up the cooling pools.

2: Yes that is the most immediate problem. They did remove a few rods then had a photo op and declared victory. As far as I know they haven't mad any real progress. Synod that. They are still in the proceed with caution phase.

3: No the suits afford little protection. They are more for keeping any particulates off of the workers and they can be disposed of so the contamination isn't spread. I have read they are starting to have some trouble finding workers. The workers wear dosimeters that measure their exposure. Once that limit is reached they are done, no more work period. And as you can imagine, depending on what you are doing that limit could come pretty quick.

4: Yes it is far too hot. Which does make it scary. You know, you see the people milling about and working etc, but the monster that is lurking just below the surface is untouchable. There is no known technology to deal with this. A lot of people said they should encase it like Chernobyl. That was not a fix. That is a band aid. A band aid that is going to need changed and soon. And the real reason there was and is containment isn't so much cease of the building, it is because they lucked out and the material combined with the sand and created what they call the elephant foot. So it is somewhat encased on its own. Anyway that is why no experts that I know of are for the encasement approach.

As to the safety. The meltdown (that I believe is still ongoing) isn't creating much danger in the day to day activity of the workers. The debris removal is the most dangerous part. You might have a dump truck of relatively safe material, and you may have a penny sized piece that is lethal within minutes. I believe at this point they have identified the majority of the very "hot stuff and removed it". The pools are the problem though. If one collapses it is game over. No human will be able to get close enough to do anything. And some scientists believe the rods would actually catch fire, a fire that wouldn't be able to be put out. This would spread radioactive particles through the air and more than likely make a great deal of the northern hemisphere uninhabitable as well.

Hope that helps. I'm not really an expert.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
23. My Dad worked at Sandia Base
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 11:25 AM
Dec 2013

and ended up working with the joint chiefs for plans and policy. I remember him coming home from Nevada with
radiation badges, I thought they were cool and we talked about it after the underground tests he was to observe.

I do think the data in this story is semi accurate but because of the time factor of 30 years of radiation exposure was alarming you do have to put into context however, I do think the time factor of this story has decades of fallout for planet earth.



PCIntern

(25,556 posts)
34. this is going to be the biggest man-made catastrophe in recorded history to date
Mon Dec 23, 2013, 03:05 PM
Dec 2013

before it's over...if it's ever over.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
48. It sure is
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 01:25 AM
Dec 2013

No one knows what to do and if they did they can't get anyone close enough to do it. robots go kaput so they can't be used
Nuclear energy as its done today Sucks, big time

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
47. Hey, I suspect poor Rudolph has been eating
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:58 AM
Dec 2013

plutonium for decades, to feed that micro reactor in his nose.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
43. I fear it will only get worse
Wed Dec 25, 2013, 12:34 AM
Dec 2013

Being as there is no sign that Tepco can handle this situation, and with increasing levels of radiation, the whole place may just go critical.

At the least, for maybe hundreds of years, the ocean will be polluted 24/7.

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