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Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:09 AM Mar 2012

Saved By a Pit Bull Superhero

Angela was leaving the playground in Port Charlotte, FL with her two year old son, when something unimaginable happened. An unknown man attacked them at knife point..

It seemed no one was around. They might have been killed - or at least Angela thought she might die.

Then, out of nowhere - it wasn' t a bird, a plane or even Superman - it was a super hero dog, a male 65-lb. Pit bull. He charged and drove the would be attacker off.
<snip>
As the dog fended off the bad guy, Angela grabbed her daughter and made a mad dash for the car. Just as she was about to close her door - in jumps the dog into the back seat - as if he belonged there.....Together they all waited for police to arrive.

If no one claims the dog, Angela told reporters she will adopt him. I think he's already adopted her, and her daughter.
http://www.chicagonow.com/steve-dales-pet-world/2012/03/saved-by-a-pit-bull-superhero/

Good dog!
That's one way to get adopted.





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Saved By a Pit Bull Superhero (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Mar 2012 OP
... xchrom Mar 2012 #1
One of the reasons I like dogs better than most people. hobbit709 Mar 2012 #2
+1 get the red out Mar 2012 #3
Dogs ARE my favorite "people". SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #6
Ditto. nt Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #32
What a good dog! knitter4democracy Mar 2012 #4
And yet there are those - even here on DU - who think Pit Bulls should be eradicated. baldguy Mar 2012 #5
Not me! SammyWinstonJack Mar 2012 #7
looks like my roomie's little girl frylock Mar 2012 #13
Beautiful dog auburngrad82 Mar 2012 #72
Yes, I'm fortunate to have Orchid in my life. baldguy Mar 2012 #75
that is a stunningly beautiful dog. nt arely staircase Mar 2012 #86
Awww, what a great story! PotatoChip Mar 2012 #8
GOOD BOY! Treats? dballance Mar 2012 #9
What a wonderful story! I hope he gets adopted by Angela! sinkingfeeling Mar 2012 #10
I'll admit I'm leery of pit bulls, but this one is a keeper! Bake Mar 2012 #11
The thing is, this pit is much more representative of the breed, MadHound Mar 2012 #12
Agree Johnny2X2X Mar 2012 #15
True. I have owned 2 pit bulls and 2 Rottwielers. RebelOne Mar 2012 #17
Bull Terriers are just like that. Great with rough and tumble kids. Auntie Bush Mar 2012 #37
"i can haz chicken marsala and zopa toscanna?" - superhero pitbull. arely staircase Mar 2012 #14
Lets see GiveMeFreedom Mar 2012 #16
I'm not buying it. Mosby Mar 2012 #18
I do, MadHound Mar 2012 #19
you could have disagreed with me without resorting to insults. Mosby Mar 2012 #20
No one resorted to insult. NashvilleLefty Mar 2012 #39
"is showing a great deal of ignorance about dogs" hfojvt Mar 2012 #74
I believe that you are misinterpreting my reply MadHound Mar 2012 #83
Thanks for the clarification Mosby Mar 2012 #85
Family decides pitbull rescue can find an better, stable, permanent home for "Angel" uppityperson Mar 2012 #22
you're not buying it because magical thyme Mar 2012 #25
Wow! This story is four years old! Prometheus Bound Mar 2012 #34
Thought this story was familiar sammytko Mar 2012 #69
That's a good pibble! flvegan Mar 2012 #21
For every one of these , there are 1000 bad stories. ErikJ Mar 2012 #23
Yup, the media loves the topic flvegan Mar 2012 #31
Even just in my city, it's ridiculous TheCruces Mar 2012 #61
Mouse attack brought up 570. Wow. Micies are scary.News does like to report what'll sell and uppityperson Mar 2012 #56
Don't talk about a Pit Bull unionworks Mar 2012 #24
How about if youve been attacked by one? ErikJ Mar 2012 #26
where and when unionworks Mar 2012 #27
No police report ErikJ Mar 2012 #28
I understand unionworks Mar 2012 #29
My Sammie unionworks Mar 2012 #30
Pit bulls are not a large dog TheCruces Mar 2012 #64
I was given Sam unionworks Mar 2012 #68
And quite frankly, people like you are the problem. baldguy Mar 2012 #35
THis is all I have to say in response to that. ErikJ Mar 2012 #36
Would you be surprised that, when dog bites are attributed to Pit Bulls baldguy Mar 2012 #42
OK-then the dogs that LOOK like Pit bulls ErikJ Mar 2012 #44
And where do you place the responsability of the owners? baldguy Mar 2012 #45
"jaws bred to tear" flvegan Mar 2012 #53
Again, where do you place the responsability of the owners? baldguy Mar 2012 #70
stop! guitar man Mar 2012 #79
SHUT UP!!!! flvegan Mar 2012 #80
I love how guitar man Mar 2012 #81
I've rescued, fostered, and worked at shelters. BeachBaby Mar 2012 #47
http://tinyurl.com/6uj7ya9 ErikJ Mar 2012 #48
That's all you've got? BeachBaby Mar 2012 #49
Are you implying Black men have been ErikJ Mar 2012 #50
Wow. Really? BeachBaby Mar 2012 #52
Wow-like debating ignorant RWers! ErikJ Mar 2012 #54
Yeah. And I know someone who has a doctorate in education and is a grammatical nightmare. BeachBaby Mar 2012 #55
But what about the poodles! Whoa_Nelly Mar 2012 #57
If that's your claim, then shame on your university. Not that I believe it. flvegan Mar 2012 #58
But it's on the Google! Dr. Strange Mar 2012 #73
"Google News; Pit bull attack read all 667 hits "darlin"" PamKlaus Mar 2012 #60
For someone who has a so called biology degree TZ Mar 2012 #67
And there is a difference between dog aggression and human aggression TheCruces Mar 2012 #66
You should also think, by that logic that George W Bush was awesome. flvegan Mar 2012 #51
Having worked with dogs (of all breeds) TheCruces Mar 2012 #65
Yep. Same here. BeachBaby Mar 2012 #77
That's a pretty good way to describe it. TheCruces Mar 2012 #87
Careful dude. Look above my post here. flvegan Mar 2012 #38
Pit bulls are often dog aggressive TheCruces Mar 2012 #63
I have seen my Pit attacked by groups of other dogs. NashvilleLefty Mar 2012 #41
Just like Republicons. Anecdotal evidence. ErikJ Mar 2012 #43
Hold on... flvegan Mar 2012 #59
Personally, I think dog parks are the dumbest idea ever TheCruces Mar 2012 #62
The only thing dog parks are good for guitar man Mar 2012 #71
Neither will I TheCruces Mar 2012 #76
What a marvelous story. Gave me a lump in my throat. The poor dog could've been killed or hurt. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #33
What a great dog! guitar man Mar 2012 #40
good dog! certainot Mar 2012 #46
How do we know it's a pit bull? They are hard to identify, you know. I am sure there is a graphic RadiationTherapy Mar 2012 #78
There's a pic at the link guitar man Mar 2012 #82
Starts out Mom is with a 2 year old son, then she is with her daughter...?? AnotherDreamWeaver Mar 2012 #84

knitter4democracy

(14,350 posts)
4. What a good dog!
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:32 AM
Mar 2012

I'd keep that dog if I were her. He saw a threat, did his best to neutralize it, and stayed to protect her and her daughter. That's a good dog.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
5. And yet there are those - even here on DU - who think Pit Bulls should be eradicated.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:48 AM
Mar 2012

Simply because they're Pit Bulls.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
75. Yes, I'm fortunate to have Orchid in my life.
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 10:43 AM
Mar 2012

She's the gentlest dog I've ever had, and more interested in cuddles than confrontations.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
9. GOOD BOY! Treats?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 09:20 AM
Mar 2012

I hope he got lots of good real chicken and beef treats.

My Nikko has been with me for 16 years. He's a terrier/mutt but he'd go one on one with anyone threatening me.

Bake

(21,977 posts)
11. I'll admit I'm leery of pit bulls, but this one is a keeper!
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:36 AM
Mar 2012

But I've never said that pit bulls should be eradicated. This one is certainly a good dog!

I love dogs!!

Bake

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
12. The thing is, this pit is much more representative of the breed,
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:01 AM
Mar 2012

That the ones you see in the sensationalized bite stories.

The vast majority of pit bulls are wonderful, loyal, loving dogs. The AKC for years listed pits as the best family dog out there because of their ability to take the rough play dished out by kids, and their gentle, loving nature.

It is only within the past thirty years that pits have gotten a bad rep due to irresponsible owners. But as dog fighting fades in popularity, hopefully pits will again regain their place as the penultimate family dog.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
15. Agree
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 02:46 PM
Mar 2012

Pitbulls are the sweetest and goofiest breed of dog if raised right. They are intelligent and have an unequaled will to please. This story does not surprise me at all, as Pitbulls have an innate sense of protecting the vulnerable.

arely staircase

(12,482 posts)
14. "i can haz chicken marsala and zopa toscanna?" - superhero pitbull.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 02:33 PM
Mar 2012


"somewhere i can bring my babies," she added.

GiveMeFreedom

(976 posts)
16. Lets see
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 03:37 PM
Mar 2012

60 Bad Pit bull stories a year, give or take 40. 10,000 Pit Bulls in America, give or take 5,000. This wonderful animal knows the good guys from the bad guys? I would say Pits are getting a bad rap. I think the bad reputation comes more from illegal dog fighting, than random attacks. Nice story!

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
19. I do,
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 04:36 PM
Mar 2012

I've been around dogs and other animals for a long time, and know that sometimes they do the most wonderful, amazing, yet inexplicable things. They don't know what this dog's past is, so they don't know what triggers this dog. It could be that this dog was indeed trained to be a security dog. It could be that this dog loves kids(actually most pits do), and recognized a threat to a child. Perhaps a previous owner used a knife to torture the dog and that triggered its response(I've a dog who is very, very tough to bathe because a previous owner used to torture the poor thing with water). To blanketly state that this couldn't happen is showing a great deal of ignorance about dogs.

NashvilleLefty

(811 posts)
39. No one resorted to insult.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:45 PM
Mar 2012

Your link simply said that the dog was referred to rescue, but didn't say "why". You inferred and implied that it was because the dog was somehow "unfit". How do you know that the reverse wasn't true? How do you know that maybe the family didn't have a back-yard that they felt adequate for a dog?

And yet, once questioned on legitimate questions, you immediately felt "insulted".

I think that calls for some personal introspection.

Have a nice day.

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
74. "is showing a great deal of ignorance about dogs"
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 10:33 AM
Mar 2012

you don't think that is insulting? And intentionally so?

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
83. I believe that you are misinterpreting my reply
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 02:19 AM
Mar 2012

I was not referring to you, but rather the folks at MARS rescue in the article you linked to. You were stating that you didn't buy it, that is not a blanket denial, whereas my reply to you stated "To blanketly state that this couldn't happen is showing a great deal of ignorance about dogs."

This is one of the disadvantages of internet and other text based chatting, sometimes you can't get the full message that a person is trying to deliver, thus misunderstandings abound.

Chalk this up to such a misunderstanding.

Have a nice day.

Mosby

(16,311 posts)
85. Thanks for the clarification
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 03:37 PM
Mar 2012

I did think it was aimed at me, thanks for clearing that up.

I think the incident described in the OP could have happened but IMO it's unlikely, especially the part about how the stray dog jumped in the car at the end.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
22. Family decides pitbull rescue can find an better, stable, permanent home for "Angel"
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:08 PM
Mar 2012
http://www.nbc-2.com/story/10695932/family-decides-against-adopting-ange
"Potential owners will be screened and interviewed to ensure Angel goes to a stable, permanent home."

Good. I can understand being drawn to a dog that helped you like this, but am very glad they are looking for a "stable, permanent home". Taking in any dog isn't something to be done on a whim.
 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
25. you're not buying it because
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:27 PM
Mar 2012

the rescuers don't believe a dog would protect a stranger and stated they don't believe the woman was attacked. They have no more or less credibility than the woman who says the dog protected her. The police see no reason to question whether the woman was attacked -- they believe her.

We've seen many stories here on DU of stray dogs rescuing/protecting strangers. And contrary to the veterinarian's claim that a gentle dog wouldn't protect, my incredibly gentle lab cross turned into a totally unrecognizable, ferocious protector who bolted across the street and cornered a young man who was hiding behind a tree in the neighbor's front yard at 11pm. He knew the young man, who had visited that home before, but also apparently knew that the behavior of hiding behind a tree late at night in the dark was suspicious.

Frankly, Mars (the rescue org) sounds pretty strange to me. "MARS spokesman Chris Rinkenberger said that's when another threat to Angel emerged. One of the people who had volunteered to serve as a foster host for the dog threatened to find Angel and take him by force, Rinkenberger said."

So they claim that a foster volunteer threatened to forcibly dognap Angel? Seriously? That strikes me as more bizarre than Angela's story.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
23. For every one of these , there are 1000 bad stories.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:17 PM
Mar 2012

This is what Google NEWS "Pit bull attack" brought up just now. 667 results!

Asheboro 2nd Grader Attacked By Pit Bull‎
WFMY News 2 - 3 hours ago


Asheboro, NC -- On Tuesday afternoon, a seven year-old boy was attacked by a pit bull in his own driveway. The boy was rushed to the emergency room for ...
Local: Mom blames animal control for dog attack on son, 7‎ My Fox 8
all 5 news articles »

My Fox 8
Pit bulls shot after attacking Victoria residents‎
Victoria Advocate - 20 hours ago
Two pit bulls were shot dead Monday evening after attacking two residents and police officers in a Victoria neighborhood. A brown pit bull bit a woman's leg ...


ChicagoNow (blog)
Pit bull owners cited after attack that left three llamas dead‎
WAOW - 1 day ago
By Bonnie Shelton, Multimedia Journalist - bio | email PORTAGE COUNTY (WAOW)-- The owners of two pit bulls that attacked a group of llamas have been ...

Asheboro 2nd Grader Attacked By Pit Bull‎
WFMY News 2 - 3 hours ago
Asheboro, NC -- On Tuesday afternoon, a seven year-old boy was attacked by a pit bull in his own driveway. The boy was rushed to the emergency room for ...
WFMY News 2
Man uses cane to beat pit bulls, saves Sterling Heights woman WITH ...‎
Royal Oak Daily Tribune - 11 hours ago
By Gordon Wilczynski A Sterling Heights man with a serious heart condition is being credited with saving the life of a woman attacked by two pit bulls.
Local: Pit Bull Owner Verbally Assaults FOX 2 Crew‎ MyFox Detroit
Sterling Heights woman recovering after being mauled by pit bulls‎ WXYZ
all 4 news articles »
WXYZ
Celina police investigate pit bull attack‎
WHIO Dayton - 2 days ago
The Celina Police responded to a call of a subject being attacked by a pit bull on Friday at 4:22PM. Officers arrived to find the victim was in a basement ...
Local: Celina man recovering from pit bull attack‎ LimaOhio.com
Mother pitbull, pup attacks Celina man‎ WANE
Celina man attacked by pit bull‎ Times Bulletin
all 5 news articles »

flvegan

(64,408 posts)
31. Yup, the media loves the topic
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 09:03 PM
Mar 2012

because idiots eat it up and believe made-up hype.

Many times, the alleged attacking dog isn't remotely a pitbull.

TheCruces

(224 posts)
61. Even just in my city, it's ridiculous
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 02:34 AM
Mar 2012

Two "pit mixes" attacked a guy. They were identified as "pit bulls." We had a worse dog attack case recently (not involving dogs that could look anything like pits) and the media merely said "dogs."

In the case of the "pit bull mixes," a worker at the local animal control/shelter (more like a death chamber, if you ask me) said that while they had almost 20 dogs presently on DOH holds due to bites, only the two pit bulls made it to the media, in the article's comments. Our "shelter" here is appalling. The last time I was there was last summer. My neighbors at the time had a pit bull puppy (5-6 months old) that they were keeping under a plywood lean-to with no access to food or water. His rope collar/tie-down had grown into his neck and he had an edema. He was seriously in a 5x5' chicken-wire pen. I had been living there two days when I discovered this. I was just gonna hop the wall and get the dog, but my roommate called the ACO. The ACO told us that the owners would be charged with felony animal cruelty. Such a sweet dog...I sat in the pen with him until they came and he just licked my hands the whole time. I wanted to cut him loose, but the ACO was adamant that he not be for "evidence."

Anyway, I got in touch with the ACO who told me the "shelter" does not give them updates, but to talk to them. When I called them, they told me, "We have a lot of dogs, you need to come here and see if he's here." When she took the dog away, I was adamant that I didn't want him put down and I'd apply to be a foster/do whatever it took to save that dog. When I went to the shelter, I was told that the LCPD decided to drop the charges, and since the "owners" did not want the dog back, he was killed. I just can't believe that a puppy with a rope grown into his skin did not seem like a crime, and that apparently, they felt it was okay to return the dog if the owner wanted him back.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
56. Mouse attack brought up 570. Wow. Micies are scary.News does like to report what'll sell and
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:42 AM
Mar 2012

what sells? "OMGPITBULLATTACK!!!!!111"

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
24. Don't talk about a Pit Bull
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:24 PM
Mar 2012

...if you've never met one, or preferably been owned by one. Loving memories of my Sammie who never hurt a soul in his life. Go to hell, haters.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
26. How about if youve been attacked by one?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:29 PM
Mar 2012

My dogs have been attacked several times by pits in dog play aeas but fortunately the owners were there to quickly grab them.
Pits "play" very aggressively and lots of dogs dont like that so when they resist the pit often turns into attack mode. Seen it way too many times.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
28. No police report
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:42 PM
Mar 2012

As I said, luckily the owners were right there to grab their pits so no blood was drawn yet. But my small dogs screamed blood curdling cries. My Golden Ret started to fight back but that was stopped fast too. Other dog owners have told me of small dogs actually being killed or maimed by pits at the park though. I got lucky.

Most Recent Pit bull attacks http://tinyurl.com/6uj7ya9

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
29. I understand
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:49 PM
Mar 2012

... how much you love your small dogs. Imyself love Boston Terriers, they are 1/3 pitt bull. All of the attitude without the danger of a lawsuit! And it is true, as a breed some Bulls are not dog friendly. It is the responsibility of the OWNERS to know this and handle their dogs accordingly. And if you have had a negative experience with my favorite breed, I beg your forgiveness and ask you not to judge all by the actions of a few ignorant owners.

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
30. My Sammie
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 09:01 PM
Mar 2012

Was not actually a pit bull. He has been gone for 30 or so years. He was an English (not American) Staffordshire, now classified by the AKC as a rare breeed. Picture a bully half the size of a pit with the heart of a locommotive.
I was in my 20's. The first time I let him sleep in bed with me, when he was about 1 and a half, he waddled into my bed, curled up waist high, and would go no higher. He made these really weird moaning sounds of pure joy. My alarm clock was a happy tounge slurping my face at 5:30 a.m.. No human ever deserved such love from a canine companion.

TheCruces

(224 posts)
64. Pit bulls are not a large dog
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 02:44 AM
Mar 2012

Actually, the AKC's Staffordshire terriers (both American and plain Staffordshire) are both stockier than an ABDA American Pit Bull Terrier. People often think of the APBT as the overdone, stocky American Bully (which often have hung papers and get registered as APBT), but those dogs have English Bulldog and Mastiff in them.

 

unionworks

(3,574 posts)
68. I was given Sam
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 08:53 AM
Mar 2012

...by a second generation British family that bred these dogs going back generations in England.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
35. And quite frankly, people like you are the problem.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:03 PM
Mar 2012

And the fact that you foster the false idea that blame lies solely with the Pit Bull, rather than IRRESPONSIBLE OWNER proves it. For every rare, but over-publicized dog attack attributed to a Pit Bull, there are literally millions of Pit Bulls that would never commit such acts.

When a tragedy occurs, reasonable people try to find out why it occurred, and more importantly how to prevent it from occurring again. Reasonable people act out of the desire to make things better using actual research & personal experiences such as provided above to develop solutions.

Unreasonable, irrational people act out of fear. They look for scapegoats to pin their troubles on, sensationalist stories to hype the fears they have and easy, mindless solutions to deal with them. Such solutions never work because they never deal with the actual sources of the problems which cause these tragedies.

You should try educating yourself before making wild accusations & unsupportable claims.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
42. Would you be surprised that, when dog bites are attributed to Pit Bulls
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:02 PM
Mar 2012

The breed was misidentified 90% of time? It wouldn't if you actually knew anything about this issue.

Police & media reports are unreliable sources for breed identification.

A 2008 report on media bias by the National Canine Research Council (available on their website at http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/dogbites/whatisadogbite/) compared the type of media coverage given for dog attacks that occurred during a four–day period in August 2007 with intriguing results:

- On day one, a Labrador mix attacked an elderly man, sending him to the hospital. News stories of his attack appeared in one article in the local paper.

- On day two, a mixed–breed dog fatally injured a child. The local paper ran two stories.

- On day three, a mixed–breed dog attacked a child, sending him to the hospital. One article ran in the local paper.

- On day four, two pit bulls that broke off their chains attacked a woman trying to protect her small dog. She was hospitalized. Her dog was uninjured. This attack was reported in more than 230 articles in national and international newspapers and on the all major cable news networks.

All you've done is provide a link to a list erroneous media reports.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
44. OK-then the dogs that LOOK like Pit bulls
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:10 PM
Mar 2012

with oversized heads and jaws bred to tear other similar breeds apart in pit fight rings.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
45. And where do you place the responsability of the owners?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:22 PM
Mar 2012

If Pit Bulls aren't the problem, then why blame Pit Bulls?

flvegan

(64,408 posts)
53. "jaws bred to tear"
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:06 AM
Mar 2012

LOMFL!!!!

Thank you internet for breeding morons. How will we fix it? No idea.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
70. Again, where do you place the responsability of the owners?
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 09:23 AM
Mar 2012

The original "pit bull" was developed to fight, sure. Just as German Shepherds were developed to herd sheep. small Terriers were developed to kill mice & rats, and Bull Dogs were developed to kill bulls for sport. But they ALL - WITHOUT EXCEPTION - were developed with desire to please their human masters and to live in human society. Most people who own German Shepherds don't herd sheep, they have the dog as a family member & companion. Most people who have small Terriers don't let them chase & kill rats, they have the dog as a family member & companion. Most people who have Bull Dogs don't engage in bull-baiting with the dog, they have the dog as a family member & companion.

And most people who have dogs which are descended from the original "pit bulls" don't engage in dog fighting, they have the dog as a family member & companion.

So, where do you place the responsability of the owners?

guitar man

(15,996 posts)
79. stop!
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 12:07 AM
Mar 2012

you're killing me.... can't breathe!

and where in the hell is the Merritt Clifton report, I'm sorely disappointed that old thing hasn't been trotted out yet

flvegan

(64,408 posts)
80. SHUT UP!!!!
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 12:09 AM
Mar 2012

I totally called for that like, a day ago. Hmmm...maybe this time, someone actually read it and thought, "yeah, this is totally stupid."

guitar man

(15,996 posts)
81. I love how
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 12:16 AM
Mar 2012

On a progressive web site like this, where everybody demands vetted facts and supported cross references etc to back up assertions , all that flies out the window as soon as the subject turns to "Pitbulls"

It's as bad as a bunch of wingers arguing that Saddam had stickpiles of WMD

BeachBaby

(8,431 posts)
47. I've rescued, fostered, and worked at shelters.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:43 PM
Mar 2012

The vast majority of dogs I had worked with at shelters, were pitbulls. Never got attacked by one. I've fed, groomed, walked, and played with at LEAST 100 of them.

I've been bitten three times - by a Chow, a Rottie, and a German Shepherd. By your metric, we should fear all three of those breeds, yes?

By the way, I'm about the most insane fan of the German Shepherd. For the one who bit me, I could easily think of ten others who rocked my world with their friendliness, intelligence, and loyalty.

It's ALL in the breeding and the training.

BeachBaby

(8,431 posts)
49. That's all you've got?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:59 PM
Mar 2012

By that logic, I should be really scared of black people - since teh Google will show that prisons inhabit more black criminals than white criminals.

And yet......I've never been attacked by a black man, but I've been attacked by a white man.

Funny how statistics work. Or not.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
50. Are you implying Black men have been
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:02 AM
Mar 2012

bred for killing other black men like Pit bulls were bred for killing other pit bulls by very sick men over the generations?

BeachBaby

(8,431 posts)
52. Wow. Really?
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:05 AM
Mar 2012

My words aren't veiled, darlin'. No need to try to read into something that ain't there.

The point - pitbulls can't be stereotyped. It really is that simple. If you have a problem with the people who breed them for fighting, GO AFTER THE PEOPLE WHO BREED THEM FOR FIGHTING.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
54. Wow-like debating ignorant RWers!
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:12 AM
Mar 2012

I have a biology degree in evolution and ecology "darlin" and I know how animals are bred to excell in one trait.

With pit bulls it was -and still is- ability to fight other dogs.

Google News; Pit bull attack read all 667 hits "darlin"

BeachBaby

(8,431 posts)
55. Yeah. And I know someone who has a doctorate in education and is a grammatical nightmare.
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:15 AM
Mar 2012

Your degrees mean nothing.

Are you aware of what German Shepherds were bred for? But, it's okay, because America thinks they're pretty.

Whoa_Nelly

(21,236 posts)
57. But what about the poodles!
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:50 AM
Mar 2012

And the Dobies?

I am shaking my head about the specious argument here that pits are so inbred as to be born for nothing else but violence.

I am with BeachBaby.
Pits have an extraordinary intelligence, and this breed has been maligned: There are more pits, and other "bred" attack dogs out there which are more often kind, good and loving, than there are the negative consensus born of the media-spun monsters of stereotypical legend.

flvegan

(64,408 posts)
58. If that's your claim, then shame on your university. Not that I believe it.
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:03 AM
Mar 2012

You don't know shit about pitbulls. Your Google-fu aside.

 

PamKlaus

(62 posts)
60. "Google News; Pit bull attack read all 667 hits "darlin""
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 02:27 AM
Mar 2012

I have a degree in exobiology. Google News; martian attack: 638 hits! (0.18 seconds)

http://tinyurl.com/6w92g98

TZ

(42,998 posts)
67. For someone who has a so called biology degree
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 07:41 AM
Mar 2012

You don't seem to really understand evolution OR behavior. I have a zoology degree and anyone who cites "evolution" in an artifically selected animal breed is well, ignorant. Also, how can you not understand that animal behavior is a function of BOTH genetic history AND the environment (ie how they are raised). YOU SIR have a very RW like understanding of biology. Thin and lacking in true understanding.
Many animal breeds were bred to be hunters or fighters, in fact I'd be more worried about something like a Chow which was bred to be an aggressive guard dog, so is MUCH more likely to bite (look that up, you don't seem interested in facts though).
Also, you might want to look up the Vick pit bulls many of which despite being used as fighters turned out to be nice adoptable animals which throws your "unthinking predator" bullshit completely out the window.
You sir are a scientific ignoramus. I'd be ashamed of whomever gave you your "degree".

TheCruces

(224 posts)
66. And there is a difference between dog aggression and human aggression
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 02:47 AM
Mar 2012

Two completely different things.

flvegan

(64,408 posts)
51. You should also think, by that logic that George W Bush was awesome.
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 12:04 AM
Mar 2012

Media said so. Still waiting on the Clifton report. I hope hope hope it gets posted. Makes me laugh cuz folks is stupid.

TheCruces

(224 posts)
65. Having worked with dogs (of all breeds)
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 02:46 AM
Mar 2012

The *only* breed I do not trust is the Chow. They do not give a reading. At least not the ones I've dealt with. Every other dog I've worked with, I could read easily, whether they were friendly or not, and I've handled some definitely not friendly dogs, but the Chows do not seem to give any feedback.

BeachBaby

(8,431 posts)
77. Yep. Same here.
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:43 PM
Mar 2012

Can't read their eyes, their body language. They're so still, stoic, whatever you want to call it. When they're happy, they're still. When they're pissed, they're still. Until they bite you, of course.

TheCruces

(224 posts)
87. That's a pretty good way to describe it.
Sun Mar 18, 2012, 05:10 PM
Mar 2012

And everyone has always eventually tried to bite me. Other dogs show some fear or aggression prior to snapping. Not the chows.

flvegan

(64,408 posts)
38. Careful dude. Look above my post here.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:35 PM
Mar 2012

Next he's gonna post the Merritt Clifton report or the oft mocked government report...ah, hell they're the same thing.

BEWARE THE GOOGLERS!!! *rofl*

TheCruces

(224 posts)
63. Pit bulls are often dog aggressive
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 02:40 AM
Mar 2012

There is a HUGE difference between dog aggression and human aggression.

Also, dog parks are generally a bad idea. Just because dogs are pack animals doesn't mean that throwing a bunch of random dogs together, makes it a pack. Additionally, many dog owners are irreparably stupid about their dogs, and that is not breed specific. Presently, I do not own a pit bull, although I have in the past. Currently, I have a 15lb poodle/terrier mix and I would never take her to a dog park, because she will write checks she can not cash. She is definitely dog aggressive towards many dogs, although she can play really well with dogs she knows. She does better with large male dogs. Female dogs, especially smaller ones is a huge problem for her. But I've seen her get male pit bulls and German shepherds (friend's dogs) under her manipulative little paw.

NashvilleLefty

(811 posts)
41. I have seen my Pit attacked by groups of other dogs.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:59 PM
Mar 2012

I had a Basenji/Shepherd mix before my current Pit/Boxer mix (both rescue pups), and both have been highly protective of what they see as "their property". Frankly, despite their badass rep, my Pit Bull is much more likely to stand on the deck and bark when he is out-numbered. My Basenji/Shepherd mix (don't even ask me how that happened, he was just a pound puppy that refused to let me go home without him) was right there in the mix - he didn't care how big the other dogs were or if he was outnumbered.

And he usually won. Because he was doing his job and protecting his home and his family. As for the few wounds he garnered, they healed quickly and he wore them as a badge of honor.

So don't give me any bullcrap about certain Dog Breeds being "vicious". I know better. And so does the CDC.

Inform yourself.

 

ErikJ

(6,335 posts)
43. Just like Republicons. Anecdotal evidence.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:04 PM
Mar 2012

All the evidence and proof you can give them and they'll give you "but I know a guy who...". Ridiculous.

flvegan

(64,408 posts)
59. Hold on...
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 01:19 AM
Mar 2012

Didn't you post this as your "evidence"

My dogs have been attacked several times by pits in dog play aeas but fortunately the owners were there to quickly grab them.
Pits "play" very aggressively and lots of dogs dont like that so when they resist the pit often turns into attack mode. Seen it way too many times.

So...facts are shit straight out the window when the "guy you know who" is you, Cindy Lou Who?

Yeah, just like those Republicans. You are.

Oh wait, maybe it was your massive Google search that you relied upon. Cindy Lou Who was no more than two, IIRC. Sounds about right.

Go ahead jury, delete it.

TheCruces

(224 posts)
62. Personally, I think dog parks are the dumbest idea ever
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 02:35 AM
Mar 2012

They exist just to make people feel better. They're not natural in the slightest.

guitar man

(15,996 posts)
71. The only thing dog parks are good for
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 09:35 AM
Mar 2012

Is being a good place to get a dog fight started, I won't take my dogs to those places.

TheCruces

(224 posts)
76. Neither will I
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:38 PM
Mar 2012

I exercise my dog on my own. If she's around other dogs, it's dogs that I know and trust and it's supervised. Don't the bedlam that is a dog park with idiot owners.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
33. What a marvelous story. Gave me a lump in my throat. The poor dog could've been killed or hurt.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 09:48 PM
Mar 2012

And he doesn't know that some people will hate him because of what he looks like or his breed.

What a brave boy. I'd adopt him, if it were me. But I bet he belongs to someone. He looks pretty healthy.

RadiationTherapy

(5,818 posts)
78. How do we know it's a pit bull? They are hard to identify, you know. I am sure there is a graphic
Thu Mar 15, 2012, 11:59 PM
Mar 2012

somewhere...in older pit bull threads...hahahahhahahahaha!

guitar man

(15,996 posts)
82. There's a pic at the link
Fri Mar 16, 2012, 01:14 AM
Mar 2012

They aren't that hard to identify IF one knows what they are looking at. They are easy to misidentify if one doesn't know what they are looking at. The dog at the link is indeed a genuine American Pit bull Terrier.

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