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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:52 AM Dec 2013

The 25 Most Failed States On Earth{photos}

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-25-most-failed-states-on-earth-2013-6?op=1

#25 ERITREA: A small country in the Horn of Africa, Eritrea has been under dictatorial rule since 1993, when it gained independence from Ethiopia. Eritreans have suffered from military clashes with the Ethiopians and years of failed governance. Eritrea scores worst on human rights, demographic pressures, and legitimacy of state.


#23 LIBERIA (tie): Among the poorest countries in the world, Liberia suffers from a near total lack of infrastructure like clean water, public telephones, or sewage. The West African country also has a huge problem with refugees and internally displaced persons.


#23 NORTH KOREA (tie): Called the Hermit Kingdom for its seclusion from the outside world, North Korea got a terrible score for legitimacy of state. Human rights violations are rampant, and aid organizations estimate more then 2 million have died since the mid 1990s over food shortages alone.


#22 UGANDA: Uganda's worst tally is from mounting demographic pressures. 6.5% of the adult population has HIV or AIDS.
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The 25 Most Failed States On Earth{photos} (Original Post) xchrom Dec 2013 OP
There's a gun in almost every picture dickthegrouch Dec 2013 #1
Important observation if the pictures were random. Igel Dec 2013 #5
Mostly in Africa treestar Dec 2013 #2
Countries that "peel off" are usually outlier territories. Igel Dec 2013 #6
Africa was intentionally destroyed by Europe and the West MrScorpio Dec 2013 #11
I had wondered about that. Delphinus Dec 2013 #24
Where is the USA on this list? Spider Jerusalem Dec 2013 #3
The US isn't a failed state. Not even close. Dash87 Dec 2013 #7
Man what a first world way of thinking. Kurska Dec 2013 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Jamaal510 Dec 2013 #10
Lot of African states listed here geomon666 Dec 2013 #4
I noticed that too nadinbrzezinski Dec 2013 #19
Hey White people: How'd that imperialism thing work out for you? panader0 Dec 2013 #8
"All of these "failed" states were set up to fail by imperialists" Not all of them. Kurska Dec 2013 #12
How about "most" then? panader0 Dec 2013 #13
There ya go n/t Kurska Dec 2013 #14
What a paternalistic thing to say. KentuckyWoman Dec 2013 #27
#11 IRAQ #7 AFGHANISTAN progressoid Dec 2013 #15
i think Afghanistan would have been on the list even if we had never gone in, but Iraq probably JI7 Dec 2013 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #16
Where's Mississippi? rug Dec 2013 #17
+1, n/t RKP5637 Dec 2013 #26
it looks like Ethiopia and Eritrea would both be better off if they were one country JI7 Dec 2013 #18
many of these were left behind after the end of the cold war JI7 Dec 2013 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author El_Johns Dec 2013 #22
Darn...I guess I won't be vacationing in Somalia this year. jessie04 Dec 2013 #23
African and the Middle Eastern countries davidpdx Dec 2013 #25

dickthegrouch

(3,183 posts)
1. There's a gun in almost every picture
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:45 AM
Dec 2013

Greed and indifference by the 1% is the problem.

Guns are NOT the solution.

Igel

(35,337 posts)
5. Important observation if the pictures were random.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:46 PM
Dec 2013

They were chosen. There could have been a gun in every picture. Or a starving child and no gun in every picture. Or a rich fat guy in every picture.

The pictures are there to support the text, or so the text can be commentary to a visual.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
2. Mostly in Africa
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 12:03 PM
Dec 2013

It seems in cases where they peel off a new country, it isn't helping much: Eritrea and South Sudan.

Igel

(35,337 posts)
6. Countries that "peel off" are usually outlier territories.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:53 PM
Dec 2013

They think they've been oppressed and that without their oppressors they'd immediately be wealthy. Doesn't work that way. Also works in Europe--Slovakia wasn't an immediate success (hear about them recently? no?); Transdniestria is a recurring disaster.

You don't want to ponder some of the former Soviet republics. Just think what some of the regions that wanted to breakaway in the early '90s would be like today if they had succeeded.

Bosnia-Herzegovina isn't a shining light of wealth and civilization. Nor is Macedonia. Both thought themselves eagles bound in oppressors' chains. Both turned out to be kiwis.

Catalonia, were it independent, might be different. Might not be.

Same with Eritrea. S. Sudan. They have a larger issue, though--riven by tribal rivalries, they've never had a system that encouraged integration and assimilation to a single prestige norm. Instead, their governments focused on a single official culture or on keeping everybody in subjection. Instead, leaders see themselves as tribe members first and national leaders second; this leads them, as did leaders in some of the ethnically-riven countries in Europe, to funnel all good things to their own and bad things to their opponents. (Tito in Jugoslavija was rather the opposite--and had ethnic loyalty from his "tribe" and bribed loyalty from others.)

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
11. Africa was intentionally destroyed by Europe and the West
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:06 PM
Dec 2013

Even a mere fifty years after independence, it's still under Europe's economic boot, not mention the inability of much of the continent to recover from the Cold War.

No real solutions, nations ruled by dictators supported by the Western Powers and First World military adventurism.

These things are not by accident.

 

Spider Jerusalem

(21,786 posts)
3. Where is the USA on this list?
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 12:04 PM
Dec 2013

Highest number of prisoners per capita; highest proportion of prisoners in solitary confinement (which is state-sanctioned torture); most guns per capita, most gun deaths per capita, greatest wealth disparity, third-world infrastructure, routine crises of governance (debt ceiling/government shutdown)...if not "failed" it's potentially failing.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
9. Man what a first world way of thinking.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:58 PM
Dec 2013

The united states has problems, but they pale in comparison to these nations. We're talking about states where society itself is collapsing. I know people really like to doom and gloom everything, but as long as your mail is being delivered, you can reliable get food/clean water and country isn't ruled by militias from ethnic groups that all want to murder each other, you're way better off than the third world.

Is American perfect? By no means we have massive problems, but people who claim the united states is third world or approaching third world just don't understand just how bad the third world is.

America's life expectancy is about two decades higher than even the best on that list and nearly 3 decades higher than the worst.

Response to Spider Jerusalem (Reply #3)

geomon666

(7,512 posts)
4. Lot of African states listed here
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 12:04 PM
Dec 2013

Just so much corruption and bullshit going on, nobody has a chance to actually fix anything before the next coup or extremist group comes in to fuck everything up yet again.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
19. I noticed that too
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:13 PM
Dec 2013

And geographically close to each other to boot.

Of course thé two we intervened at, and a third that is an "ally"."

panader0

(25,816 posts)
8. Hey White people: How'd that imperialism thing work out for you?
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 03:58 PM
Dec 2013

Hey Big Pharma-Cut loose the medicine and patents on HIV/AIDS drugs.
All of these "failed" states were set up to fail by imperialists looking foe conquests.
I am white, and feel shame.

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
12. "All of these "failed" states were set up to fail by imperialists" Not all of them.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 04:07 PM
Dec 2013

North Korea has also, to my knowledge, never been a colony of any nation with a majority of white people.

Liberia was initially set up to be kind of an anti-colony where African Americans could return to Africa.

Many of these nations were also formed by revolts, not by western intevention.

But nearly all of them are former colonies, no one is disputing that.

A lot of these nations are so poor they don't even strike up the interests of "imperialists" in my opinion, they are just abandoned as dead spots for human development.

KentuckyWoman

(6,690 posts)
27. What a paternalistic thing to say.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 10:05 AM
Dec 2013

Human habitation in Africa and the Middle East has successfully survived all sorts of crisis. White people can sit around slap labels on other people or attempt to meddle... but white invaders are the least of their worries.

progressoid

(49,992 posts)
15. #11 IRAQ #7 AFGHANISTAN
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:23 PM
Dec 2013

Woohoo. Good thing we brung them some good ole 'Murican democracy!


#11 IRAQ: Though U.S. forces withdrew in 2011, terrorism and violence in Iraq continued, with hundreds killed so far this year. The Middle Eastern oil power gets the worst possible score for vengeance-seeking group grievance.

#7 AFGHANISTAN: After U.S.-led regime change and more than a decade of U.N.-led reconstruction, Afghanistan got the worst possible score for foreign intervention. The country has emerged with weak security apparatus and a frail government, among other problems.



JI7

(89,260 posts)
21. i think Afghanistan would have been on the list even if we had never gone in, but Iraq probably
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 06:49 AM
Dec 2013

wouldn't.

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JI7

(89,260 posts)
20. many of these were left behind after the end of the cold war
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 06:28 AM
Dec 2013

i think the world should have done some marshall plan type thing in many of these places.

it's too bad because many of them have such an incredible history like ethiopia and somalia.

Response to JI7 (Reply #20)

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