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kpete

(72,006 posts)
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 05:58 PM Dec 2013

NY Times Benghazi Bombshell: Attack spurred by anti-Islam Video

SAT DEC 28, 2013 AT 12:09 PM PST
NY Times Benghazi Bombshell: Attack spurred by anti-Islam Video
by RfrancisR

Benghazi Truthers dealt a blow by months long investigation by NY Times as actual journalism rears its head.

Months of investigation by The New York Times, centered on extensive interviews with Libyans in Benghazi who had direct knowledge of the attack there and its context, turned up no evidence that Al Qaeda or other international terrorist groups had any role in the assault. The attack was led, instead, by fighters who had benefited directly from NATO’s extensive air power and logistics support during the uprising against Colonel Qaddafi. And contrary to claims by some members of Congress, it was fueled in large part by anger at an American-made video denigrating Islam.



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http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/#/?chapt=0
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/28/1265761/-NY-Times-Benghazi-Bombshell-Attack-spurred-by-anti-Islam-Video
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NY Times Benghazi Bombshell: Attack spurred by anti-Islam Video (Original Post) kpete Dec 2013 OP
Are you trying to bust Darrel Issa's bubble or just trying to spread the truth? Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #1
wanna bet this will get less coverage than the 'BENGHAZI FIASCO' ???? spanone Dec 2013 #5
I feel sure it will not be repeated on FOX or a report from the Oversight Committee. Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #22
faux news is disputing the nytimes report spanone Dec 2013 #49
Issa looked bad on Meet the Press Gothmog Dec 2013 #50
Well this should be fun. n/t DirkGently Dec 2013 #2
if this isn't the headline across america, we are fucked more than we know.... spanone Dec 2013 #3
Let's see what coverage looks like this coming week Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #9
The coverage doesn't/won't matter ... 1StrongBlackMan Dec 2013 #14
Since when have they allowed facts to get in the way... DearAbby Dec 2013 #34
He should just... 3catwoman3 Dec 2013 #38
So Susan Rice was right Iliyah Dec 2013 #55
Filthy right wingers not interested in the truth. Kingofalldems Dec 2013 #4
Interesting from the NYT article: KoKo Dec 2013 #6
This one, too... pacalo Dec 2013 #26
Indeed... eom. KoKo Dec 2013 #28
Al Kay-duh is always conflated with "scary" events -- by design. WowSeriously Dec 2013 #48
I wonder if Bachmann found this out and has since kept a very low profile. Of course that could be monmouth3 Dec 2013 #7
Forget Bachmann and the RW....let's think if this NYT Article rings true... KoKo Dec 2013 #8
It's not the first time the Times defended the status quo. OnyxCollie Dec 2013 #25
Agree...NYT...takes Murky and Mucks it further...Maybe its the Truth...Maybe Not... KoKo Dec 2013 #29
I followed the events that day. There certainly were video-related protests in the mix. TwilightGardener Dec 2013 #10
Heck, there were eruptions all over the Arab world, spurred by that video. calimary Dec 2013 #12
Exactly. Basic common sense. BlueMTexpat Dec 2013 #19
Agree! And it was first reported the Mossad did the Video...then it was tracked KoKo Dec 2013 #30
Stunning, isn't it? Doesn't ANYBODY remember??? calimary Dec 2013 #61
Right wing Republicons & their propaganda are to blame for Benghazi Berlum Dec 2013 #46
Well well well, looks like the administration was right all along. JaneyVee Dec 2013 #11
kick spanone Dec 2013 #13
So now are the RWers... Dopers_Greed Dec 2013 #15
They automatically think the NY Times lies all the time. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #17
hard to have it both ways Bernardo BetsysGhost Dec 2013 #52
RW especially Ts able to accept NYT when facts go their way & reject when facts against them. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #58
Power is more important to many Republicans than the truth. Tea baggers can't recognize truth. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 2013 #16
What's that I hear echoing around the halls of Congress? "BENGHAZI, BENGHAZI, ooops, never mind!" George II Dec 2013 #18
I thought this was discussed and agreed immediately after the deaths at Benghazi Tikki Dec 2013 #20
Time for the dissing of the NYTimes now. Sara...where are you? nt kelliekat44 Dec 2013 #21
No need to wait. OilemFirchen Dec 2013 #32
Paging John McCain. There is a blue apology phone with a direct line to Susan Rice at reception Number23 Dec 2013 #23
R#36 & K n/t UTUSN Dec 2013 #24
WOW! NYT Goes on to mention Susan Rice vs.....NYT Report! KoKo Dec 2013 #27
But, this won't outweigh that meaty 60 Minutes story from a month or two back NewJeffCT Dec 2013 #31
Because the New York Times did the investigation, the right will dismiss it. The right only bluestate10 Dec 2013 #33
This will be fun to watch Gothmog Dec 2013 #35
OR Iliyah Dec 2013 #56
I suspected this was the case from the beginning. DCBob Dec 2013 #36
I remember vividly all the places in the Middle East fadedrose Dec 2013 #37
A few months back I read the book "Under Fire" by Fred Burton and Samuel Katz. alp227 Dec 2013 #39
kick spanone Dec 2013 #40
old news.... madrchsod Dec 2013 #41
K&R Jefferson23 Dec 2013 #42
Hillary is vindicated and takes a step closer towards the presidency (nt) Nye Bevan Dec 2013 #43
Uh oh Dwayne Hicks Dec 2013 #44
yep, explosions all around: kpete Dec 2013 #53
The Republicon lies and spin about Benghazi are tantamount to treason Berlum Dec 2013 #45
K&R! countryjake Dec 2013 #47
The House Intelligence Committee is disputing the Times reporting pitchforx Dec 2013 #51
The original administration explanation turns out to be true Moral Compass Dec 2013 #54
Yes anti-Islam videos spur attacks ...but drones strikes don't. L0oniX Dec 2013 #57
Okay for truth now. They got Kerry out of the Senate. Festivito Dec 2013 #59
Just pot luck that 400 surface to air missiles were stolen. dipsydoodle Dec 2013 #60

Gothmog

(145,475 posts)
50. Issa looked bad on Meet the Press
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 11:29 AM
Dec 2013

Gregory tried to call out Issa and Issa was in a panic and talked over Gregory. Rep. Castro did a good job of dealing with Issa's lies

spanone

(135,857 posts)
3. if this isn't the headline across america, we are fucked more than we know....
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:08 PM
Dec 2013
Months of investigation by The New York Times, centered on extensive interviews with Libyans in Benghazi who had direct knowledge of the attack there and its context, turned up no

evidence that Al Qaeda or other international terrorist groups had any role in the assault. The attack was led, instead, by fighters who had benefited directly from NATO’s extensive air

power and logistics support during the uprising against Colonel Qaddafi. And contrary to claims by some members of Congress, it was fueled in large part by anger at an American-made

video denigrating Islam.

 

Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts)
9. Let's see what coverage looks like this coming week
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:41 PM
Dec 2013

Maybe Darrel Issa's New Year's resolution will be to shut the fuck up about Benghazi.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. The coverage doesn't/won't matter ...
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:56 PM
Dec 2013

those that, at this point, still believe the Bengazi, IRS and every other revealed scandal, will not be any more swayed than the birthers were with the media coverage of President Obama's birth certificate.

The AJ/Infowar crowd now has it where stuff that proves the fallacy of their conspiracy theories, only to serve to convince them that there really is a conspiracy.

DearAbby

(12,461 posts)
34. Since when have they allowed facts to get in the way...
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:34 PM
Dec 2013

Their only goal nullify and humiliate this President, and to inflict as much pain as possible on those who voted for Obama. Why Christie's bridgegate resonates...it's been the game plan since their secret meeting on the night Obama was sworn into office.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
6. Interesting from the NYT article:
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:30 PM
Dec 2013
Members of the local militia groups that the Americans called on for help proved unreliable, even hostile. The fixation on Al Qaeda might have distracted experts from more imminent threats. Those now look like intelligence failures. (bolding is mine)

More broadly, Mr. Stevens, like his bosses in Washington, believed that the United States could turn a critical mass of the fighters it helped oust Colonel Qaddafi into reliable friends. He died trying.
(bolding is mine)

Well...we shall see. Many of us legacy DU'ers cast a skeptical eye at NYT for international news.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
26. This one, too...
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:35 PM
Dec 2013

(All bolding is mine.)

But the Republican arguments appear to conflate purely local extremist organizations like Ansar al-Shariah with Al Qaeda’s international terrorist network. The only intelligence connecting Al Qaeda to the attack was an intercepted phone call that night from a participant in the first wave of the attack to a friend in another African country who had ties to members of Al Qaeda, according to several officials briefed on the call. But when the friend heard the attacker’s boasts, he sounded astonished, the officials said, suggesting he had no prior knowledge of the assault.

Al Qaeda was having its own problems penetrating the Libyan chaos. Three weeks after the attack, on Oct. 3, 2012, leaders of the group’s regional affiliate, Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, sent a letter to a lieutenant about efforts to crack the new territory. The leaders said they had sent four teams to try to establish footholds in Libya. But of the four, only two in the southern Sahara “were able to enter Libyan territory and lay the first practical bricks there,” the letter said.

The letter, left behind when the group’s leaders fled French troops in Mali, was later obtained and released by The Associated Press. It tallied up the “spectacular” acts of terrorism the group had accomplished around the region, but it made no mention of Benghazi or any other attacks in Libya.
















monmouth3

(3,871 posts)
7. I wonder if Bachmann found this out and has since kept a very low profile. Of course that could be
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:32 PM
Dec 2013

my imagination but I haven't heard much from her trip or her findings.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
8. Forget Bachmann and the RW....let's think if this NYT Article rings true...
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:37 PM
Dec 2013

Let's focus on what Democrats can learn from this report by NYT.

Many of us are skeptical because of their faulty reporting for years ....and the Judith Miller and other F'Ups.

Lets read and think....and forget trashing the RW when it's our Democracy at stake. What can Democrats learn from this... Does this report ring true...does it reveal new info that those of us read other sources could accept as FACT? Is there anything there that is cautionary about our Foreign Policy that smacks of the usual Think Tank Supported news from NYT ...or have they reformed. Is Kilpatrick a person tied in and funded by a Think Tank or other "Sources."

I'd rather focus on Finding Truth than worrying about what the RW Crazies say about anything.

Peace!

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
25. It's not the first time the Times defended the status quo.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:33 PM
Dec 2013

Saying that the attack was blowback for a torture/assassination program casts a bad light on the administration. Better to say that it was simply those crazy Mooslims gettin' all worked up 'cause someone made fun of their god.

Nothing to see here. Move along now...

SUBJECT: CODEL MCCAIN MEETS MUAMMAR AND MUATASSIM AL-QADHAFI
http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/08/09TRIPOLI677.html#

CLASSIFIED BY: Joan Polaschik, Charge d'Affaires, U.S. Embassy
Tripoli, Department of State.
REASON: 1.4 (b), (d)
¶1. (C) CODEL McCain discussed security, counterterrorism, and
civil-nuclear cooperation during August 14 meetings with Libyan
leader Muammar al-Qadhafi and his son, National Security Advisor
Muatassim al-Qadhafi, stressing the need for Libya to fulfill
its WMD-related commitments and to approve a Section 505
end-user agreement in order to move forward on bilateral
military and civil-nuclear engagement. While Muatassim
al-Qadhafi reiterated long-standing Libyan requests for security
assurances from the United States and emphasized Libya's
interest in the purchase of U.S. lethal and non-lethal military
equipment, Muammar al-Qadhafi was notably silent on these
subjects. The elder Qadhafi made a point of expressing his
satisfaction with the improved U.S relationship and his hope
that the relationship would continue to flourish. CODEL
McCain's discussion of the Megrahi case was reported ref A. End
summary.

THE MEETING

¶2. (SBU) CODEL McCain (R-Az), including Senator Joe Lieberman
(I-CT), Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC), Senator Susan Collins
(R-SC) and Senate Armed Services Committee Staffer Richard
Fontaine held back-to-back meetings August 14 with Libyan
National Security Advisor Muatassim al-Qadhafi and Libyan leader
Muammar Al-Qadhafi. Libyan officials NSC Director Dr. Hend
Siala, MFA Department of Americas Secretary Ahmed Fituri and MFA
Office of Americas Director Mohamed Matari also attended the
meetings, as did Charge and Pol/Econ Chief (notetaker).

MUATASSIM MEETING SECURITY FOCUSED

¶3. (C) Characterizing the overall pace of the bilateral
relationship as excellent, CODEL McCain opened its August 14
meeting with National Security Advisor Muatassim al-Qadhafi by
noting the drastic change that the relationship had undergone
over the last five years. "We never would have guessed ten
years ago that we would be sitting in Tripoli, being welcomed by
a son of Muammar al-Qadhafi," remarked Senator Lieberman. He
stated that the situation demonstrated that change is possible
and expressed appreciation that Libya had kept its promises to
give up its WMD program and renounce terrorism. Lieberman
called Libya an important ally in the war on terrorism, noting
that common enemies sometimes make better friends. The Senators
recognized Libya's cooperation on counterterrorism and conveyed
that it was in the interest of both countries to make the
relationship stronger. They encouraged Libya to sign the Highly
Enriched Uranium transfer agreement by August 15 in order to
fulfill its obligation to transfer its nuclear spent fuel to
Russia for treatment and disposal. [Note: The Libyan Government
subsequently informed us of its intent to sign the agreement on
August 17 and has begun taking good-faith steps to do so

4.(C) Muatassim welcomed the high-level visit, describing it as a good sign for the relationship - a relationship that Libya wants to develop. He explained to the Senators the recent requests that the National Security Council had made to procure defense equipment. He stated that there were three categories of requests: one which was approved by the USG, another which awaited congressional approval, and a third which waited USG agreement. He reiterated the refrain he conveyed to Secretary Clinton during his April visit (ref C) -- Libya has not been adequately rewarded for its decision to give up WMD and needed some sort of security assurance from the United States. He emphasized the need for Libya to purchase U.S. non-lethal equipment in order to enhance its defense posture.


Libya/US: Investigate Death of Former CIA Prisoner
http://www.hrw.org/news/2009/05/11/libyaus-investigate-death-former-cia-prisoner

(New York) – The Libyan authorities should carry out a full and transparent investigation of the reported suicide of the Libyan prisoner Ali Mohamed al-Fakheri, also known as Ibn al-Sheikh al-Libi, Human Rights Watch said today. Al-Libi, who was held in secret US and Egyptian detention from late 2001 to at least 2005, was found dead in his cell in Abu Salim prison in Tripoli. Human Rights Watch spoke with him briefly in the Tripoli prison on April 27, though he refused to be interviewed.

After his arrest in Pakistan in late 2001, al-Libi was sent by the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) to Egypt in 2002, under the procedure known as “rendition.” According to a CIA declassified cable and a US Senate report, he was tortured in Egypt and gave false information about a link between Iraq and al-Qaeda that Colin Powell, then the secretary of state, used in his speech to the UN Security Council on the planned war with Iraq. Al-Libi was later held by the CIA in a series of secret prisons in Afghanistan and elsewhere.

~snip~

Al-Libi was returned from US custody to Libya in late 2005 or early 2006 and was detained at Abu Salim prison. The Abu Salim prison authorities told Human Rights Watch in April 2009 that he had been sentenced to life imprisonment by the State Security Court, a court whose trial proceedings fail to conform to international fair trial standards.

Human Rights Watch briefly met with al-Libi on April 27 during a research mission to Libya. He refused to be interviewed, and would say nothing more than: “Where were you when I was being tortured in American jails.” Human Rights Watch has strongly condemned the CIA’s detention program and documented how detainees in CIA custody were abused, but, like other human rights groups, was never granted access to prisoners in CIA custody.


Was Benghazi Killing of Ambassador Stevens, 3 Others "Blowback" for Secret U.S. Assassinations?
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/7/1/was_deadly_benghazi_killing_of_ambassador

JACK MURPHY: Sure. There’s a number of different contributing factors that led to these attacks. When we start to talk about the blowback effect, we do also have to understand that this was a group of people, the Ansar al-Sharia militia, that wasn’t particularly fond of Americans to begin with. There was a large number of foreign fighters, these international jihadists, who were amongst that group the night of the attack. But what hasn’t been talked about very much in the media is that there were covert operations being run inside Libya, targeted killings against militia members, al-Qaeda-affiliated personnel, also involving securing weapons that had fallen into the militia hands, that we didn’t want them to have in the post-war Libya that was destabilizing the Libyan transitional government. But there were a series of operations over the course of the summer and even that week of September in the run-up to the attack.

AMY GOODMAN: U.S. government allies were also assassinated, were killed.

JACK MURPHY: You’re talking about the British embassy that was attacked?

AMY GOODMAN: No, I was talking about what led up—what so angered the Libyans as they were moving—as we were moving into September 11th of that year.

JACK MURPHY: Well, allegedly, there was even a CIA asset that was targeted and killed in that first week of September prior to the attack.

AMY GOODMAN: By who? Killed by?

JACK MURPHY: By the United States military, by special operations personnel.

AMY GOODMAN: A CIA asset killed by U.S. personnel.

JACK MURPHY: Allegedly. And this phenomena has happened previously in Iraq and Afghanistan. I don’t know if I’ll ever be able to prove for certain that this individual was an asset, but you can only imagine what’s going through the heads of the militia members as they feel that they’re working hand in hand with the Americans and then all of a sudden the Americans kill one of their people. And this was—this was definitely one of the events that led to the special operations forces actually kicking up the hornets’ nest in Libya, and it was a contributing factor that led to the attack in Benghazi.

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
29. Agree...NYT...takes Murky and Mucks it further...Maybe its the Truth...Maybe Not...
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:45 PM
Dec 2013

And that's what happens when a Major News Source goes with Hack Reporters who work for "THINK TANKS" who work for the MIC. Serious journalism is suspected as just propaganda. That's the dangerous slope the MSM falls down when they EMBED with Think Tank Ideologues.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
10. I followed the events that day. There certainly were video-related protests in the mix.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:43 PM
Dec 2013

We know that it wasn't what ultimately killed Stevens (his attack being planned), but there was a lot of confusion at the time. I remember laughing at clips of the video in question, on that day. Why Repubs thought they could bury the reporting on that story and pretend that Obama/Rice just made it all up is beyond me.

calimary

(81,403 posts)
12. Heck, there were eruptions all over the Arab world, spurred by that video.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 06:47 PM
Dec 2013

There were eruptions all over the Arab world when somebody in Scandinavia or Denmark or some place drew a Mohammed CARTOON. A CARTOON that featured the prophet. And the whole Arab world went apeshit. They went apeshit and plotted death threats against Salman Rushdie, too. They tend to do that. Protests like that were happening all over the Arab world at that very same time, spurred BY that particular video - a video over which a whole shitload of people got bent out of shape in country after country. It was not AT ALL unreasonable to assume such in and around Benghazi, even before one investigated.

BlueMTexpat

(15,370 posts)
19. Exactly. Basic common sense.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:03 PM
Dec 2013

But the US M$M went with whatever the GOP said.

It's nice that the NYT may actually have done some investigative reporting instead of regurgitating the conventional "wisdom."

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
30. Agree! And it was first reported the Mossad did the Video...then it was tracked
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:49 PM
Dec 2013

to "Coptic Christian Group out in California" who did the video.

THEN...the story tracking died because FAUX NEWS went on the Hillary Attack...that it was all about "Her Failure." (I'm no fan of Hillary)..but the whole story about this was so botched up..that it is hard to know what the truth of the whole incident was...but, that Video did seem to be something that would STIR UP FOLKS...just as the Duck Dynasty Founders Racist/Anti Gay rhetoric did for the Dem Activists who raged on for two weeks about it...and SO...there was much "Push Button Propaganda" maybe going on with BOTH STORIES and with MOST of what we READ from MSM these days.

calimary

(81,403 posts)
61. Stunning, isn't it? Doesn't ANYBODY remember???
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 04:45 PM
Dec 2013

There were so damn many riots, protests, disruptions, ALL OVER the Islamic World. They were EVERYWHERE. And yeah some of 'em did get covered. DAYUM you'd think somebody in the media would remember!

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
46. Right wing Republicons & their propaganda are to blame for Benghazi
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 07:46 AM
Dec 2013

...And don't forget that it was the Republicons who SLASHED the budget for State Dept. security, making it vulnerable in the first place.

Protests Erupt at Embassies Worldwide in Response to Right Wing "Christian" (R) video ridiculing Prophet Mohammed.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/human_nature/2012/09/mohammed_movie_embassy_attacks_don_t_let_internet_videos_drive_you_to_violence_.html

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
15. So now are the RWers...
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 07:05 PM
Dec 2013

Going to apologize for accusing Obama of lying for well over a year now?

My bet is on "no"

BetsysGhost

(207 posts)
52. hard to have it both ways Bernardo
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 11:51 AM
Dec 2013

NYTIMES October 29, 2012

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/30/world/middleeast/no-specific-warnings-in-benghazi-attack.html?ref=daviddkirkpatrick&_r=0


But the question on the minds of some lawmakers is why the declining security situation did not prompt a fundamental rethinking of the security needs by the State Department and the White House. Three Congressional investigations and a State Department inquiry are now examining the attack, which American officials said included participants from Ansar al-Shariah, Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb and the Muhammad Jamal network, a militant group in Egypt.

David D. Kirkpatrick and Suliman Ali Zway contributed reporting from Benghazi, Libya

Tikki

(14,559 posts)
20. I thought this was discussed and agreed immediately after the deaths at Benghazi
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:05 PM
Dec 2013

Some guy who wasn't really a video producer funded it and all….


Tikki

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
32. No need to wait.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:13 PM
Dec 2013

It's going on upthread.

And we have yet to hear from the Bengasmics who lurk around these parts...

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
27. WOW! NYT Goes on to mention Susan Rice vs.....NYT Report!
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:37 PM
Dec 2013
One has it that the video, which was posted on YouTube, inspired spontaneous street protests that got out of hand. This version, based on early intelligence reports, was initially offered publicly by Susan E. Rice, who is now Mr. Obama’s national security adviser.

The other, favored by Republicans, holds that Mr. Stevens died in a carefully planned assault by Al Qaeda to mark the anniversary of its strike on the United States 11 years before. Republicans have accused the Obama administration of covering up evidence of Al Qaeda’s role to avoid undermining the president’s claim that the group has been decimated, in part because of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.




The investigation by The Times shows that the reality in Benghazi was different, and murkier, than either of those story lines suggests. Benghazi was not infiltrated by Al Qaeda, but nonetheless contained grave local threats to American interests. The attack does not appear to have been meticulously planned, but neither was it spontaneous or without warning signs.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
31. But, this won't outweigh that meaty 60 Minutes story from a month or two back
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 08:58 PM
Dec 2013

you know, the one that basically condemned Obama. 60 Minutes is never, ever wrong.


bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
33. Because the New York Times did the investigation, the right will dismiss it. The right only
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:27 PM
Dec 2013

believes Faux News and CBS 60 Minutes, because those two tell useful lies.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
56. OR
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:05 PM
Dec 2013

NYT will reverse the article to please the crazies on the right. Look at A&E and what MSNBC did to Martin Bashir.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
36. I suspected this was the case from the beginning.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:45 PM
Dec 2013

I don't know how the Rethugs were able to force the narrative that is was AQ planned attack.

fadedrose

(10,044 posts)
37. I remember vividly all the places in the Middle East
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 09:56 PM
Dec 2013

and Africa all the people angered by the American-video denigrating Islam. There were riots everywhere. Many maps were shown on TV showing the sites of these demonstrations, some peaceful, some not, but all very angry.

And then the story changed and they were hardly mentioned again. About time somebody brought it to light again.

alp227

(32,045 posts)
39. A few months back I read the book "Under Fire" by Fred Burton and Samuel Katz.
Sat Dec 28, 2013, 11:01 PM
Dec 2013

It's an excellent breakdown of the background in Libya and the Mideast before the Benghazi attack.

For the role of the "Innocence of Muslims" video: http://bit.ly/1gbSiu5

The book also says: "The sophisticated attack in Benghazi was a malignant symptom, following a brief period of remission, of a weakened and crippled al-Qaeda seeking new battlefields, new combatants, and new causes in the hope of remaining relevant..." http://bit.ly/1eiNHEu

(The Bit ly links to google books)

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
41. old news....
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:44 AM
Dec 2013

it`s interesting how the right dismissed this because it did`t fit their fantasy. then the truth was dismissed by the rest of the news organizations

kpete

(72,006 posts)
53. yep, explosions all around:
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:20 PM
Dec 2013
Fox News Immediately Attempts To Discredit NYT Benghazi Investigation
By Heather December 28, 2013 10:37 pm
The pundits on Fox are not pleased with the NYT's reporting that runs counter to their scandal-mongering on Benghazi.
- See more at: http://crooksandliars.com/2013/12/fox-news-immediately-attempts-discredit#sthash.TXKCVQl2.dpuf

Berlum

(7,044 posts)
45. The Republicon lies and spin about Benghazi are tantamount to treason
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 07:40 AM
Dec 2013

Why do Republicons hate America and truth?

They routinely and systematically crap all over both

 

pitchforx

(49 posts)
51. The House Intelligence Committee is disputing the Times reporting
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 11:33 AM
Dec 2013

"House Intelligence Committee".....isn't there an oxymoron in there somewhere?

Moral Compass

(1,524 posts)
54. The original administration explanation turns out to be true
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 12:23 PM
Dec 2013

So, apparently Susan Rice was telling the truth immediately after the tragedy.

As others have noted here, this will probably get little play in our news media. Fox, of course, will just ignore the whole thing.

Benghazi will no longer be discussed on the Sunday shows. And, now that the ACA seems to be having its predicted success (not surprising given the magnitude of the need) the MSM will move on to something, anything that can be used to attack the current Democratic administration.

Because, after all, freedom. And November 2014.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
57. Yes anti-Islam videos spur attacks ...but drones strikes don't.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 01:06 PM
Dec 2013

So now they will censor Youtube? They already won't allow video of the caskets of our dead soldiers! They got a little smarter about that after Vietnam.

Festivito

(13,452 posts)
59. Okay for truth now. They got Kerry out of the Senate.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 02:16 PM
Dec 2013

And, threw dirt on Susan Rice, some of which will stick.

And with media help, they will get away with it.

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