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Darrell Issa Hid The Truth About Benghazi For a Year While Attacking President ObamaBy: Rmuse at Politicus USA
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/29/darrell-issa-hid-truth-benghazi-year-attacking-president-obama.html
"SNIP........................................
It is an unfortunate human trait to look for some kind of moral wrong or legal malfeasance in specific events to incite general public outrage either to benefit someone or to cast aspersion on someone else. Shortly after Republicans won a House majority in the 2010 midterm elections a corrupt Republican, Darrell Issa, promised his only job as chairman of the House Oversight Committee was to have seven hearings a week, times 40 weeks investigating the Obama Administration when the 112th Congress began. Issa was desperate to find a scandal to take down President Obama and has investigated everything from the 2009 federal stimulus program to fabricating President Obamas part in the scandalous Republican government shutdown two months ago.
Issa has wasted taxpayer time and money for three years looking for Obama Administration scandals he subsequently never found, including the tragic deaths of 4 American diplomats in Benghazi Libya on September 11 2012. Issas scandalous investigations aside, it was revealed yesterday that an extensive investigation into the attack on the diplomatic outpost that claimed Ambassador Chris Stevens and three diplomats lives found no involvement of al-Qaeda or other international terrorists groups whatsoever like Republicans have claimed for over a year. Instead, the attack was precipitated by, as first reported, extremist Christians in the United States.
A lengthy and comprehensive New York Times investigation informed what Republicans are desperate to keep under wraps because it revealed the Benghazi attack was accelerated in part by anger at a U.S.-made video denigrating Islam. The report parroted what any American with half-a-mind has known since Republicans began their relentless propaganda campaign that the Obama administration attempted to cover up al-Qaedas alleged role in the attack. According to the chairman of the House Intelligent Committee, Republican Mike Rogers, who kept the al-Qaeda meme alive last month on Fox News, It was very clear to the individuals on the ground that this was an al-Qaeda-led event.
However, according to the Times, The only intelligence connecting Al Qaeda to the attack was an intercepted phone call that night from a participant in the first wave of the attack to a friend in another African country who had ties to members of Al Qaeda. But when the friend heard the attackers boasts, he sounded astonished and had no prior knowledge of the assault. The report said militants surveyed the U.S. compound at least 12 hours before the assault started, but the violence also had spontaneous elements fueled in large part by anger at the (anti-Islam) video that motivated the initial attack. It is important to note that the video, titled Innocence of Muslims, was made by an American and had also prompted protests for hours the day before at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo.
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applegrove
(118,677 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Obviously he is a full time propagandist.
Ednahilda
(195 posts)Nothing he's done would dissuade a conservative from pulling the lever for him again.
homegirl
(1,429 posts)Issa has a huge war chest for the 2014 election. Let's put some of the blame for his reelection in 2012 on the California Democratic Party which failed to support his Democratic opponent, Jerry Tetalman. With less than 10% of Issa's funding Tetalman won 41.8% of the vote. Between registered Democrats and Declines to States, Tetalman with financial support should have won that election. Let's see what happens in 2014 now that Nancy Pelosi is really pissed!
Maraya1969
(22,482 posts)spanone
(135,844 posts)Dwayne Hicks
(637 posts)Should the house begin filing charges against Issa?
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)The ethics committee would require 1 Republican to break ranks and that is not about to happen. Congress policies themselves.
cstanleytech
(26,293 posts)Doesnt negate the fact that is still a lick-spittle toad.
the HOUSE filing charges against him ? LOL ! They are all behind him and cheer him on . Lying is 2nd nature to this piece of manure .
Baitball Blogger
(46,732 posts)to attack Hillary Clinton with.
Not looking good for him.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)one_voice
(20,043 posts)for hearings, hearings and more hearings. When we're done those hearings start investigations into anything else he may have hidden and have hearings on that too. Anyone else involved with this bullshit sits right next to him.
k&r
BobUp
(347 posts)Please take the time to read jsr's wiki link, it's quite informative about Issa, he sure has a checkered past, auto theft, arson, hardship discharge, repeal legislation of civil rights in California, quite the laundry list.
I don't know why anyone in congress has ever taken this person seriously, he's been a liar most of his life.
3catwoman3
(24,006 posts)have a link for this source?
BobUp
(347 posts)He became an Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD) technician, trained to defuse bombs, claiming his unit provided security for President Richard Nixon, sweeping stadiums for bombs prior to games in the 1971 World Series.[16] A May 1998 investigation by Lance Williams of the San Francisco Examiner said Nixon had not attended any of that year's World Series games.
After receiving a hardship discharge in 1972 after his father suffered a heart attack, Issa earned a General Educational Development (GED) certificate.[10] Twice that year, he was arrested. In the first incident he was indicted by a grand jury for an alleged theft of a Maserati, but prosecutors dropped the charge.[17] In the second incident, he was stopped for driving the wrong way on a one-way street, and a police officer noticed a firearm in his glove compartment. Issa was charged with carrying a concealed weapon. He pleaded guilty to a charge of possession of an unregistered firearm, and was sentenced to six months' probation and a small fine.[10][17] Issa has said he believes the record has since been expunged.[10]
Shortly before his discharge in 1980, Issa was again indicted for grand theft auto. According to court documents, Darrel's brother William Issa had gone to a used car dealer and offered to sell his brother's car, a 1976 Mercedes sedan, while impersonating his brother
This evidence resulted in police suspecting that the brothers had conspired to fraudulently sell Darrells car and to collect on both the insurance policy and the sale of the car.
In 1981 in Cleveland, Issa crashed a truck he was driving into another motorist's car and, according to court records, Issa told her that he did not have time to wait for the police and left the scene. The other motorist sued Issa for $20,000, and they eventually settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.[10]
Steal Stopper, would become the path to Issa's fortune. It was struggling badly, and he took control of it by foreclosing a $60,000 loan he had made to it when its founder, Joey Adkins, missed a payment. Adkins remained as an employee.[10]
Issa soon turned Steal Stopper around, to the point that it was supplying Ford with thousands of car alarms and negotiating a similar deal with Toyota. But early in the morning of September 7, 1982, the offices and factory of Quantum and Steal Stopper in the Cleveland suburb of Maple Heights caught fire. The fire took three hours to put out. The buildings and almost all the inventory within were destroyed. An investigation of the cause of the fire noted "suspicious burn patterns" with fires starting in two places aided by an accelerant such as gasoline.[10]
Adkins said Issa appeared to prepare for a fire by increasing the fire insurance policy 462% three weeks previously, and by removing computer equipment holding accounting and customer information. St. Paul Insurance, suspicious of arson and insurance fraud, initially paid only $25,000 according to Issa.[10] Issa then sued St. Paul Insurance for $175,000 and eventually the two parties settled out of court with Issa receiving approximately $20,000.
From his involvement in consumer-electronics trade organizations, he started becoming politically active. He went to Washington to lobby Congress and became one of California's largest individual campaign contributors to Republican candidates. In 1996, he was chairman of the successful campaign to pass Proposition 209, a ballot initiative which prohibited public institutions in California from considering race, sex, or ethnicity.
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In 2001 Issa voted for the authorization of the PATRIOT Act and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security.[37] He voted for the reauthorization of the Patriot Act in 2005 after successfully amending it to require judicial notification, reporting requirements and facts justifying the use of roving survelliance at new facilities or places.
Issa supported the use of military force in Iraq (2002)[57] and Afghanistan. On June 16, 2006, he voted to reject setting timetables for withdrawal from Iraq.
ah well, when I was in the military, my dad became ill and requested my presence, and I was granted emergency leave, caught a flight from Fairbanks, Alaska and went to the VA hospital in t. Louis, where my dad was in the ICU, I didn't request a hardship discharge. I returned to my duty station later in the month to finish my tour there.
House of Roberts
(5,177 posts)it has appeared to me that the best evidence on Obama's side would be classified, and not available for public view. There was much more going on than the Ambassador 'just happened' to be at a lightly guarded consulate, at the wrong time, wrong place.
LisaLynne
(14,554 posts)that there is no AlQaeda involvement, the Repug base will just ignore it as long as their leaders keep acting as though there is something there. At least with the base, this will not harm Issa.
BobbyBoring
(1,965 posts)They still believe Saddam pulled off the original 9/11. They do have their own reality!
ificandream
(9,373 posts)I saw a thread on a conservative board attacking the Times report with a Fox News hit story. Yeah, as if freaking Fox News proves anything.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Been unable to impeach. That's been the meme from the GOP since 2008. The problem with all of this is the fact that negativity never leaves. Those who would have the interest in getting the facts, just feel that 'something has to be wrong with Obama' because it's been paid for and is ubiquitous. That's how Segretti started and the GOP never left it. Just a little bit of scandal, even if false, and people just don't feel safe to support the victim of it. No end in sights as far as I can see.
chuckstevens
(1,201 posts)The media won't report this, the Republicans will stick to their story and keep blaming President Obama and Hillary Clinton, and worst of all, House Democrats won't investigate or censure Issa. I would at least try to raise hell about Issa's actions, but the wimpocrats won't do a dam thing about it. Keep Lying Republicans: No one ever holds you accountable for anything.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)What's the New York Times, chopped liver? It was a huge front-page story today.
Or maybe you have a different definition of media. But as media goes, the New York Times is about as big as it gets.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)It should be on network news every channel including Fox ABC. Some people never read a word of print media. I know many people that refuse to read anything. It's like an illness.
chuckstevens
(1,201 posts)Hah! How many Americans read the New York Times? This should have been the lead story on all 3 Networks and the cable "news" shows. How old are you, if I may ask? Because if this had happened in the 1970's and 1980's, this would have been, in Joe Biden's words, "a big fucking deal."
When a ranking member of a House Committee deliberately kept feeding a lie to make a president look bad, he would have had to resign back in my day.
frazzled
(18,402 posts)It is the one of the most influential media outlets in the nation, and any serious reporting on this subject henceforth will be based on the extensive investigative research the Times did on this subject. It is pretty much an "end of story" piece.
The poster said "the media won't report this": I found that statement to be ludicrous, because without the media (in this instance, the NYT), it wouldn't have been known to any of us at all, ever. The media created this story, and someone needed to say that.
It seems what folks are concerned with is the "Infotainment" media such as Fox or CNN (or even, I daresay, MSNBC), which are not really news outlets at all in my estimation but jibber-jabber, mouth-flapping reality shows, for the most part. They're political outlets. No serious investigative news ever makes its way onto Fox, so please don't expect it to report on these Benghazi findings. It's truly naive to think they would ever do that under any circumstances. The genesis of the whole Benghazi story was political, not factual, so it's not likely to be corrected now by any outlet that was merely interested in inflicting political damage.
I'm flattered that you apparently think I'm some young naif. I turn 64 in a few months. And I can tell you that in the 70s and 80s (I remember the 50s and 60s as well), this would never have been a story to correct in the first place, because there would have been no crazy tea-party zealots and Fox Newses to create the false story in the first place.
treestar
(82,383 posts)If only they were "brave" enough is all it takes?
Boomerproud
(7,954 posts)GRRRRRRR!
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 30, 2013, 01:41 AM - Edit history (5)
What???
Didn't the admin already declare it was a coordinated terrorist attack?
What the hell is going on?
On edit:
The admin did indeed call it an organized terrorist attack:
September 28 -- Statement by Shawn Turner, spokesman for Director of National Intelligence James Clapper
"In the immediate aftermath, there was information that led us to assess that the attack began spontaneously following protests earlier that day at our embassy in Cairo. We provided that initial assessment to executive branch officials and members of Congress, who used that information to discuss the attack publicly and provide updates as they became available. Throughout our investigation, we continued to emphasize that information gathered was preliminary and evolving. As we learned more about the attack, we revised our initial assessment to reflect new information indicating that it was a deliberate and organized terrorist attack carried out by extremists."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/08/politics/libya-attack-statements-2013/
George II
(67,782 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)I'm pretty sure there was some huge effort put into denying it was ever about a video.
I'll have to check what was said, but I'm pretty sure the Obama admin claimed repeatedly that it was an organized terrorist attack. I think they may have used the term Al Qeada at some point. I'm pretty sure they apologized for blaming it on a video, citing bad intel or something like that. I'll have to dig that up. I'm pretty sure they stepped back big time from the "it was some obscure video" claim.
George II
(67,782 posts)...that it was "spontaneous" (not necessarily the word he used, I forget)
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)No, I don't think that was what was eventually settled on at all. I'm sure they claimed it was a planned terrorist attack. They definitely backed off the blaming of the video.
brush
(53,785 posts)The president called it an "act of terror" and al Queda was never mentioned as being part of it.
It may have been stated later that it was an organized attack, but al Queda was never associated with by anyone but repugs like Issa.
And as far as the "obscure video", it played a big part in the protests against the video in several countries in the region that preceeded the attack in Benghazi.
Some of us posted at the time that the funding of the video was suspect I mean how does a recently released convict come up with funds to pay actors, a script writer, production people and location costs, translation and distribution costs to the Middle East, etc?
The funding source was never investigated by the MSM as it should have been but many think the money came partly from the same group that posted anti-Muslims ads in the NYC subway and on bus cards in the city around the same time, and maybe even repug sources close to Romney (remember his hurry-up press conference after the attack in which he blamed the administration before anyone else knew exactly what had happened. Even the Hillary and the State Dept had not put out a statement before Romney got up and blamed every dem he could, then left the stage with a smirk on his face like he knew he just done something that would help him win the election. Where'd he get his info? Was he tipped off and prepared for it?).
And btw, the maker of the "obscure video" was quickly busted and hustled back to jail.
The video was never obscure but part of a larger campaign 2012's version of an October Surprise to discredit the President and Hillary.
It didn't work but the repugs had nothing else so they latched on to it like a pit bull and have yet to let go.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)September 28 -- Statement by Shawn Turner, spokesman for Director of National Intelligence James Clapper
"In the immediate aftermath, there was information that led us to assess that the attack began spontaneously following protests earlier that day at our embassy in Cairo. We provided that initial assessment to executive branch officials and members of Congress, who used that information to discuss the attack publicly and provide updates as they became available. Throughout our investigation, we continued to emphasize that information gathered was preliminary and evolving. As we learned more about the attack, we revised our initial assessment to reflect new information indicating that it was a deliberate and organized terrorist attack carried out by extremists."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/08/politics/libya-attack-statements-2013/
brush
(53,785 posts)I was speaking of when the President early on addressed it as an act of terror and the repugs kept insisting for weeks that he never admitted that the attack was terrorism.
Guess they wanted the President to say "the attack was terrorism" instead of referring to it as an "act of terror."
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)No politician's political welfare trumps the truth.
What is the truth?
brush
(53,785 posts)The funding for it quite possibly came from right wing sources but the MSM never investigated who and why they funded the anti-Muslim film, they just parroted repugs attacks on the admin.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)terrorist attack, rather than some spontaneous outrage over some Youtube video.
I'm sorry. I thought the video story was hard enough to believe the first time around. Now, after the Obama admin says it was an organized terrorist attack, we're back at blaming some fringe video. I smell bullshit somewhere.
Again, what is the truth?
brush
(53,785 posts)acknowledging that the video sparked major protests in many countries in the region which gave plenty of time to plan the Benghazi attack which happened after the other incidents.
Whether the attackers were also infuriated by the anti-Muhammed video as were the protestors in other countries is likely but not known but the regional protests sure gave them a cover reason for their attack.
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)Fifteen months after Mr. Stevenss death, the question of responsibility remains a searing issue in Washington, framed by two contradictory story lines.
One has it that the video, which was posted on YouTube, inspired spontaneous street protests that got out of hand. This version, based on early intelligence reports, was initially offered publicly by Susan E. Rice, who is now Mr. Obamas national security adviser.
The other, favored by Republicans, holds that Mr. Stevens died in a carefully planned assault by Al Qaeda to mark the anniversary of its strike on the United States 11 years before. Republicans have accused the Obama administration of covering up evidence of Al Qaedas role to avoid undermining the presidents claim that the group has been decimated, in part because of the raid that killed Osama bin Laden.
The investigation by The Times shows that the reality in Benghazi was different, and murkier, than either of those story lines suggests. Benghazi was not infiltrated by Al Qaeda, but nonetheless contained grave local threats to American interests. The attack does not appear to have been meticulously planned, but neither was it spontaneous or without warning signs.
http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/?ref=world#/?chapt=0
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)September 28 -- Statement by Shawn Turner, spokesman for Director of National Intelligence James Clapper
"In the immediate aftermath, there was information that led us to assess that the attack began spontaneously following protests earlier that day at our embassy in Cairo. We provided that initial assessment to executive branch officials and members of Congress, who used that information to discuss the attack publicly and provide updates as they became available. Throughout our investigation, we continued to emphasize that information gathered was preliminary and evolving. As we learned more about the attack, we revised our initial assessment to reflect new information indicating that it was a deliberate and organized terrorist attack carried out by extremists."
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/08/politics/libya-attack-statements-2013/
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)I take that as a compliment - since whatever "truth" you are fed by your imbecile idol Issa is undoubtedly a lie told to morons.
Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)At Sun Dec 29, 2013, 08:45 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
We all get that you don't care about the truth. n/t
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4248637
REASON FOR ALERT:
This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS:
This alert is for the admins. jury hide or don't hide. Skipintro is a Benghazi truther and a troll
You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sun Dec 29, 2013, 08:54 PM, and the Jury voted 2-4 to LEAVE IT.
Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given
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Skip Intro
(19,768 posts)And thanks to the jury, especially juror #2.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)And they are cowardly hiding behind the anonymity of being an alerter. They should make their case in ATA.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)Looks like bumpy roads ahead.
George II
(67,782 posts)...the Democrats hammer this forever. This could well be the beginning of the end for this felon.
mitty14u2
(1,015 posts)Nancy Pelosi Turns the Tables on Darrell Issa and He Could Be In Big Trouble
By: Sarah Jones
Thursday, December, 19th, 2013
Nancy Pelosi has had enough of Darrell Collateral Damage Issa.
House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) is calling for a high level security briefing on the operations of Darrell Issa (R-CA), the chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, in which he would have to be forthcoming about what information he has released and to whom after he got his hands on sensitive documents surrounding HealthCare.Gov. It would then be up to the Department of Justice to make a determination.
Ed Schultz and his panel discussed Pelosi turning the tables on Issa last night. Watch MSNBCs The Ed Show segment on Rep. Darrell Issa could face serious consequences after releasing classified information to the public at link~
Panelist Karen Finney explained that with such briefing, they would learn what Issa released and if anything leaks out, they can determine what should have been out there and what should not have been out there.
Issa finally got his hands on sensitive information about HealthCare.Gov that were it to be leaked, panelist E.J. Dionne pointed out, would make the site vulnerable to a cyber attack and would endanger national security. The release of the information could jeopardize the security of websites across the government, according to cyber security experts from across the administration IT departments.
Its also the kind of information that someone who had it out for HealthCare.Gov could really use, if they had no scruples and maybe had a penchant for criminal activity. Darrell Issa just so happens to qualify.
The Democrats are concerned.
more...
http://www.politicususa.com/2013/12/19/nancy-pelosi-turns-tables-darrell-issa-trouble.html
Issa has a huge war chest for the 2014 election. Let's put some of the blame for his reelection in 2012 on the California Democratic Party which failed to support his Democratic opponent, Jerry Tetalman. With less than 10% of Issa's funding Tetalman won 41.8% of the vote. Between registered Democrats and Declines to States, Tetalman with financial support should have won that election. Let's see what happens in 2014 now that Nancy Pelosi is really pissed!
Stainless
(718 posts)Because he knows the Dems won't do anything about it.
UTUSN
(70,706 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)Mostly my suspicions of the people that live down there seem to be correct, how could they ever elected such a kook
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)If anyone wants the truth about Benghazi, all they have to do is ask the President.
That is all.
hue
(4,949 posts)jsr
(7,712 posts)from your link, now we know why he hates Obama, and women in politics;
Activism
From his involvement in consumer-electronics trade organizations, he started becoming politically active. He went to Washington to lobby Congress and became one of California's largest individual campaign contributors to Republican candidates. In 1996, he was chairman of the successful campaign to pass Proposition 209, a ballot initiative which prohibited public institutions in California from considering race, sex, or ethnicity. He was instrumental in persuading the national Republican Party to hold its 1996 convention in San Diego.[2][10]
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)up with a stained blue dress.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 30, 2013, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)
Make sure you tell everyone you what happened.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)He TRIED but did not succeed. Thank goodness, even though it was obviously a canard from the get go. Facts never stop people like Issa who is more interested in power than truth, as are too many Republicans. Tea baggers can't recognize the truth and don't bother trying, but Issa knows and is craven enough to go ahead anyway.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)What I get for typing on my iPod
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)to keep their Benghazi outpost a secret. Benghazi was placed to disarm American-armed militants from Libyan war.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)It will get zero coverage, and will have little impact, if any at all ....
www.politicususa.com does not have the ear of the electorate, being an extremely small media entity with little, actual market penetration ....
Nobody should expect any legs to this story ... none, nada, zero ...
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)...and you'd better believe that people pay attention to it. Its not called America's "Paper of Record" for nothing.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
Rex
(65,616 posts)It is fucking sick just how mentally perverted their minds are really. No chance of redemption imo.
Berlum
(7,044 posts)Note the poisonous pattern: Republicons hide the truth systematically, and lie deliberately. All the time.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Blue Owl
(50,404 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,458 posts)Time for a special prosecutor.
mstinamotorcity2
(1,451 posts)Mike Rogers is the hole the turd slides out of. And since when does FACT mean anything to Republicans.
bonzaga
(48 posts)Easily one of the slimiest, scum sucking ass pricks among them. If I can recall correctly, he's the one who blubbered like a baby after Arnie took his spot in the California recall that he orchestrated. Fuck him.
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)if Jerry Tetalman is going to make another run against Issa?
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)against Issa and hiis ilk....it sure would get the hive buzzing. The evidence is piling up.
indepat
(20,899 posts)has become the modern-day GOP imo: lies, distortions, divisiveness, obstruction, blackmail, misfeasance, hatred, racism, and homophobia, add your own.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)dent when Sex is a federal offense but killing millions isn't