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YellowRubberDuckie

(19,736 posts)
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:53 PM Mar 2012

Let's say the Republicans take the house, senate and White House...

Do you think there will come a time when the first amendment will be repealed and they'll declare a state religion, turning this into a theocracy? I'm really surprised someone hasn't tried to do this already, to be honest. Oklahoma wants to so terribly bad it hurts that they can't.
Just speculating and looking for interesting discussion...

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Let's say the Republicans take the house, senate and White House... (Original Post) YellowRubberDuckie Mar 2012 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Mar 2012 #1
No I don't. There are enough sane people SomethingFishy Mar 2012 #2
No. emilyg Mar 2012 #3
Then I say we will be living in another Iran...only run by corporations...freedom movonne Mar 2012 #4
First there will be the intra-Republican war over whose version of theocracy will be implemented. tanyev Mar 2012 #5
Nnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Mar 2012 #6
It takes more than the House and Senate to change the constitution. shraby Mar 2012 #7
Do you honestly think that won't happen? YellowRubberDuckie Mar 2012 #13
Yes, I don't think it will happen. shraby Mar 2012 #20
No thelordofhell Mar 2012 #8
I would NEVER vote anything but Democrat. YellowRubberDuckie Mar 2012 #12
Amen thelordofhell Mar 2012 #21
no n/t Enrique Mar 2012 #9
If they can keep Citizen's United and continue to gerrymander/game election law... Old and In the Way Mar 2012 #10
Not repealed, reinterpreted longship Mar 2012 #11
Not directly but they will pass laws libtodeath Mar 2012 #14
In a way I kinda wish holy ricky wins. Because it will finally make people choose what southernyankeebelle Mar 2012 #15
The only amendment in the Bill of Rights that is repealable is the 10th Egalitariat Mar 2012 #16
I just know that Oklahoma is my home, has been my family's home for over a century, KatyaR Mar 2012 #17
It would be nice to abolugi Mar 2012 #18
Let's say they don't! Auntie Bush Mar 2012 #19
Yes, but not directly... cynatnite Mar 2012 #22

Response to YellowRubberDuckie (Original post)

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
2. No I don't. There are enough sane people
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 06:58 PM
Mar 2012

to keep that from happening. Kind of like McCain in Game Change, eventually you have to put your foot down on the loonies.

Both sides are predicting the "end of the world" if the other side wins. Both sides are wrong. Shit may get much worse before it goes too far, but Limbaugh proved last week that there is a line in the sand, it may be too far away for my tastes but there is a line and if it gets crossed the shit hits the fan.

My favorite part of the "shit hitting the fan" is when these fucking blowhards, who have nothing if not total conviction and attitude, turn into whiney little babies when they don't get their way.

Spoiled little rich kids, the lot of them.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
7. It takes more than the House and Senate to change the constitution.
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:23 PM
Mar 2012

It takes affirmative votes in 3/4ths of the states.

YellowRubberDuckie

(19,736 posts)
13. Do you honestly think that won't happen?
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:03 PM
Mar 2012

There are enough nutter butters in this country who would vote for it. Mark my words.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
8. No
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:24 PM
Mar 2012

However, the Judicial branch will then be loaded with ultra-conservatives.......including at the least a 6-3 advantage on the Supreme Court.

Think about that shit, then say you're not going to vote for the Democratic nominees.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
21. Amen
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:27 PM
Mar 2012

I get tired of reading posters here that say they're not going to vote Democratic or they're sitting out because the Democratic candidate isn't such and such. This is Democratic Underground!!

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
10. If they can keep Citizen's United and continue to gerrymander/game election law...
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:37 PM
Mar 2012

they'll do it for awhile, but the harder they push, the harder the pushback. If they really want to get 65%+ of the voters to become anti-Republican, this is the road to follow.

longship

(40,416 posts)
11. Not repealed, reinterpreted
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 07:42 PM
Mar 2012

This goes back to the original Congressional arguments of religious freedom. The dichotomy, if I may be allowed to portray it as such, concerns whether the first amendment should be interpreted as freedom for religious people to worship as they see fit, or that it protects everybody to worship or not as they see fit.

You can hear this in the religious right's rhetoric. This is a Christian country. They really want to exclude these essential freedoms to non-believers, and more specifically, to non-Christians. (Why else would they be so anti-Islam?)

This cuts to the core of the argument which either this generation of citizens must have, or a future may have to fight this with somewhat less productive means.

To me, the former is much preferable to the latter. That's why I will not give an inch on the wall of separation between church and state.

libtodeath

(2,888 posts)
14. Not directly but they will pass laws
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:05 PM
Mar 2012

directly thumbing their nose at it and a complacent SCOTUS will look the other way.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
15. In a way I kinda wish holy ricky wins. Because it will finally make people choose what
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:38 PM
Mar 2012

way they want the country to go in. It will be settled and am sure holy ricky will lose and maybe it will bring back the sane republican party where compromise isn't a dirty word.

 

Egalitariat

(1,631 posts)
16. The only amendment in the Bill of Rights that is repealable is the 10th
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 08:38 PM
Mar 2012

and it was repealed by judicial decision. Not officially, but effectively.

The first 9 could never be repealed by the Judiciary the same way the 10th effectively was.

And the Repubs could never muster what it takes to repeal them the old fashioned way.

KatyaR

(3,445 posts)
17. I just know that Oklahoma is my home, has been my family's home for over a century,
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 09:23 PM
Mar 2012

and I want to leave so badly I can taste it. I just can't handle what has happened in this state in the last 20-30 years. It breaks my heart to think of moving away, but I'm scared to death of what's going on. And if a theocracy's going to happen, it'll start somewhere like here first.

I think if they can't make it happen constitutionally, they'll do everything they can to put a theocracy in place up to but not including the constitution.

Up is down, black is white....

abolugi

(417 posts)
18. It would be nice to
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 10:10 PM
Mar 2012

think the SCOTUS will do " the right thing" if it came to that but I do not trust them any more. Too many questionable rulings.
Pretty sad, really..

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
22. Yes, but not directly...
Wed Mar 14, 2012, 11:32 PM
Mar 2012

Given enough time, they could weaken it considerably by getting laws on the books and stacking the courts in their favor.

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