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Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 07:28 PM Jan 2014

Would you like to see the First Amendment modified so that "hate speech" could be banned?


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Would you like to see the First Amendment modified so that "hate speech" could be banned? (Original Post) Nye Bevan Jan 2014 OP
there is no FUCK NO option. WTF? Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #1
Leave the amendment alone! hrmjustin Jan 2014 #2
Being a civil libertarian means defending the right of speech you personally find offensive. Chan790 Jan 2014 #3
No way. NaturalHigh Jan 2014 #4
No Kaleva Jan 2014 #5
Who would define "hate speech? YarnAddict Jan 2014 #6
You prett much nailed it. Dissent would be branded hate. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #14
what yarn said. SCUBANOW Jan 2014 #38
NO! Hands off greytdemocrat Jan 2014 #7
What is "hate speech" to some may not be "hate speech" to others......... wandy Jan 2014 #8
Only if... FreeJoe Jan 2014 #9
Hell no LittleBlue Jan 2014 #10
Absolutely TheCowsCameHome Jan 2014 #11
No... but I am a small part of the FlushRush Campaign... Jasana Jan 2014 #12
Do you think Rush should be arrested and imprisoned or fined for his speech? Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #15
No. No arresting. No fining... Jasana Jan 2014 #22
My daughter is studying the politics course exboyfil Jan 2014 #13
What is "hate speech"? OutNow Jan 2014 #16
No. H2O Man Jan 2014 #17
no Liberal_in_LA Jan 2014 #18
IMO it's possible under current judicial interpretation of the first amendment struggle4progress Jan 2014 #19
Why stop there? Let's ban "hate thought", too. WillowTree Jan 2014 #20
Would you like to see the First Amendment modified so that public criticism of hate speech Zorra Jan 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #25
WTF? Then John Boehner and Mitch McConnell would be serving life without parole. Atman Jan 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2014 #24
Free speech is offense as well as defense. Thanks. Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #30
I hate the term "hate speech", it is orwellian quinnox Jan 2014 #26
Not really. Turbineguy Jan 2014 #27
Straight-forward. Thank you. nt Eleanors38 Jan 2014 #28
Too slippery a slope. dballance Jan 2014 #29
No, elleng Jan 2014 #31
no 840high Jan 2014 #32
I think you got an unequivocal answer. n/t customerserviceguy Jan 2014 #33
Another Fuck No. n/t Skip Intro Jan 2014 #34
All speech I hate should be banned! n/t hughee99 Jan 2014 #35
Only the double plus ungood speech should be banned Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #36
Absolutely not MrScorpio Jan 2014 #37
I honestly can't believe that someone voted yes. NaturalHigh Jan 2014 #39
kick Nye Bevan Jan 2014 #40
 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
3. Being a civil libertarian means defending the right of speech you personally find offensive.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 07:30 PM
Jan 2014

So, no. I would not support an effort to weaken free speech rights.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
6. Who would define "hate speech?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 07:39 PM
Jan 2014

And would the definition change based on which party is in power? Very, very dangerous territory. And no result would ever be worth the inherent danger.

wandy

(3,539 posts)
8. What is "hate speech" to some may not be "hate speech" to others.........
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 07:41 PM
Jan 2014

Just like what is offensive to some may not be offensive to others.
Yes I remember "If you can't say any thing nice............."
And if you go say something offensive you might find there are consequences.
So be it.

But that isn't the point.
Freedom of speech is freedom of speech.
You run you're mouth, you take you're chances.
EOD


FreeJoe

(1,039 posts)
9. Only if...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 07:42 PM
Jan 2014

I personally get to decide what is "hate speech." I don't trust anyone else with that decision. I have no doubt that it would quickly turn into a prohibition against blasphemy when the Pubs are in charge.

Jasana

(490 posts)
12. No... but I am a small part of the FlushRush Campaign...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 07:57 PM
Jan 2014

Does that mean I'm against free speech? Sometimes I wonder. It's just that that man is so utterly vile.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
15. Do you think Rush should be arrested and imprisoned or fined for his speech?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 08:20 PM
Jan 2014

If not, then what you are doing is fully compatible with the First Amendment.

Jasana

(490 posts)
22. No. No arresting. No fining...
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:39 PM
Jan 2014

After all, I wouldn't want to be arrested for declaring that Rush is a waste of human air space.

exboyfil

(17,865 posts)
13. My daughter is studying the politics course
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 08:00 PM
Jan 2014

She proposed updating the U.S. constitution in one of her forum posts.

Justice Ginsburg recommended looking at the South African constitution instead of the U.S. for Egypt. Looking at the S.A. constitution, I cannot agree. Take a look at it sometime - it seems needlessly wordy and written for specific events/situations and will not stand the test of time. On the other hand the same could be said for the U.S. constitution (quartering troops??). The biggest thing about the U.S. constitution are those things that are now taken for granted that are not enshrined in it (for example judicial review).

A specific exception to free speech is a bad idea. I would think slander and libel laws should cover the more egregious examples. The marketplace of ideas also helps.

OutNow

(867 posts)
16. What is "hate speech"?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 08:40 PM
Jan 2014

Obviously we can't outlaw hate speech because the definition of hate speech is almost totally left to the prosecuting party, i.e. whoever is the in charge of the government at the time.

We have far too many examples: from Eugene B. Debs, to H. Rap Brown, to William Kunstler who were tried (and in many cases convicted) solely for what they said. It was called treasonous speech, or inflammatory speech or contemptible speech. Using any legal modification of the 1rst Amendment to its advantage, a government would label all of these examples "hate speech". And they would imprison them. Don't think so? Just ask Lynn Stewart.

struggle4progress

(118,345 posts)
19. IMO it's possible under current judicial interpretation of the first amendment
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 08:59 PM
Jan 2014

to prosecute speech presenting a clear and present danger to peace and good order, as well as to prosecute incitement that actually leads to criminality under various theories, including conspiracy. Intimidation is also prosecutable. Moreover, defamatory accusations against sufficiently small groups of identifiable persons can produce civil liability as slander or libel

Aside from such exceptions, US cultural tradition generally aims to allow even unpleasant and idiotic speech

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
21. Would you like to see the First Amendment modified so that public criticism of hate speech
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jan 2014

could be banned?

Response to Zorra (Reply #21)

Response to Nye Bevan (Original post)

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
26. I hate the term "hate speech", it is orwellian
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:44 PM
Jan 2014

And often just an attempt to paint opinions that someone else disagrees with as some sort of crime.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again, to me, there is no such thing as "hate speech".

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
29. Too slippery a slope.
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:51 PM
Jan 2014

Opinions are strange things. I'd hate to how that would get twisted by the courts and by BOTH left and right wingers.

elleng

(131,111 posts)
31. No,
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:58 PM
Jan 2014

as problem will be in defining whether a particular 'speech' is hate speech.

Sorry, intentions good, implementing not so much.

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