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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 08:59 AM Jan 2014

White supremacy wins again: Melissa Harris Perry and the racial false equivalence

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This faux-outrage on the right about MHP’s racism and insensitivity obscures exactly this set of truths about the right’s shoddy record on race. That both Mitt Romney and Phil Robertson have and love black grandbabies should remind us that racism is not primarily about individual attitudes. White folks can love individual black people and still build a world that is inhospitable to black folks. In fact, individual and exceptional black achievers are necessary to maintain the lie of racial progress. Their presence has very little to do with systemic change, though.

Two professors at Tufts released a recent study that found that white Americans believe they have replaced black people as the primary victims of racial discrimination. While both whites and black people agreed that anti-black bias was high in the 1950s and had decreased over time, white respondents to the study perceived a sharp increase in anti-white bias, while blacks perceived such bias to be nonexistent. The question is whether this perception of anti-white bias bears out in material terms.

White Americans currently have 19 times the wealth of African-Americans. That gap has increased, not decreased, since 1995 when it was at an all-time low of 7-to-1. A 2010 study from Brandeis University found that even among the wealthiest African-Americans, wealth has fallen from $25,000 to $18,000. Perhaps even more shocking is that the wealth of upper-middle-class whites “surged to $240K.” So not only is white wealth increasing, but among African-Americans being “wealthy” on average means you have $18K in assets. That is laughably absurd.

Yet 83 percent of white Americans believe that equality has been achieved or will be achieved in the foreseeable future. Are you crying yet? The rest of this study will make you weep.

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This is the height of cultural delusion: blaming the person on whose neck you’re standing for twisting your ankle. And this delusion has led to a fervent belief in false equivalences that makes white people feel like one-to-one racial comparisons are fair. For instance, they see Melissa Harris-Perry’s misstep as akin to the perpetual misstep that is Rush Limbaugh’s daily commentary. But to quote the song Pia Glenn sang that caused all this brouhaha, “One of these things is not like the others.”


Read the whole piece here

I have a conservative coworker who insists racism doesn't exist and if anything it's white people that get the shaft. We've argued constantly over this and now he at least admits that there is still some racism against minorities but that it's on the way out and that white people have it worse. Straight, white Christians having it the worst of the worst.
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White supremacy wins again: Melissa Harris Perry and the racial false equivalence (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 OP
No love/anger for this piece? Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #1
It could be more a factor of there's not much to say about it el_bryanto Jan 2014 #2
Based on some of the recent threads Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #4
Why do you hate white people? Dr. Strange Jan 2014 #8
Hey now, Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #9
I am white and I find it utterly appalling that so many white people feel racism is over. LisaLynne Jan 2014 #3
It's shockingly a lot more than "some" white people Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #10
Well, that's just it. LisaLynne Jan 2014 #12
That is ridiculous cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #13
Not just that "racism is over" but that racism is now directed more at whites. pampango Jan 2014 #16
My jaw drops at the notion Capt. Obvious Jan 2014 #17
Well, that's what they get for being so uppity. Orrex Jan 2014 #5
Enter the WSJ: ProSense Jan 2014 #6
As for ProSense Jan 2014 #7
Democrats Need to Do a Better Job Of Discussing Issues erpowers Jan 2014 #11
This a really good one. Kicked and recced. cinnabonbon Jan 2014 #14
I've known a few of these idiots treestar Jan 2014 #15

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
2. It could be more a factor of there's not much to say about it
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 10:55 AM
Jan 2014

I think it's right on the money; but I don't know how much more could be said about it, unless someone wants to argue with it.

Bryant

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
4. Based on some of the recent threads
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 10:59 AM
Jan 2014

some members most certainly disagree with it.

And some agree obviously.

I read this piece last night (one of the many Salon emails I get a day) and I made a mental note to come share it here next time I was on as I thought it would be a thought provoking, feather ruffling, whatever, discussion piece.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
3. I am white and I find it utterly appalling that so many white people feel racism is over.
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 10:56 AM
Jan 2014

It makes no sense to me. I'm not even going to attempt to try to explain it because right now, I just can't. Lately, actually, I've been starting to feel as though in many respects, it's actually getting worse. And that makes me really, really sad.

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
10. It's shockingly a lot more than "some" white people
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 12:03 PM
Jan 2014

Not long ago I was having a conversation about federal contracts (maybe state, but I think it was federal) and the 15% rule - that 15% of the contract has to go to minority owners/workers.

Coworker hit the roof over the blatant racism of the rule. He was absolutely outraged (visibly angry) that 15% of the workforce/ownership couldn't be white males.

Another example of white males getting the shaft - they can't get 100%.

LisaLynne

(14,554 posts)
12. Well, that's just it.
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 12:36 PM
Jan 2014

The underlying assumption -- and granted, I think some of it in some people is subconscious -- is that they should get it all. There should be no racial minorities or women competing for jobs. There should be no mention of a religion other than Christianity. There should be no visible gay couples. Etc, etc. So, when steps towards equality are made, it feels like at best a loss, but more often than not an attack.

cinnabonbon

(860 posts)
13. That is ridiculous
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 12:42 PM
Jan 2014

Your company must be breaking child labour laws, because you're apparently working with a big baby.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
16. Not just that "racism is over" but that racism is now directed more at whites.
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 01:04 PM
Jan 2014
... Black respondents perceived decreases in anti-Black bias over time and relatively nonexistent anti-White bias, but White respondents perceived anti-Black bias as declining even more quickly and anti-White bias as increasing sharply— particularly in recent years.

Both within each decade and across time, White respondents were more likely to see decreases in bias against Blacks as related to increases in bias against Whites—consistent with a zero- sum view of racism among Whites—whereas Blacks were less likely to see the two as linked.

In sum, our findings situate specific claims of persecution by White Americans in a broader belief in a new, generalized anti-White bias. That Whites now believe that anti-White bias is more prevalent than anti-Black bias has clear implications for public policy debates and behavioral science research in the years to come.

http://ase.tufts.edu/psychology/sommerslab/documents/raceInterNortonSommers2011.pdf

I wonder if the economic struggles of all 99%ers (regardless of race) has left many whites looking for a convenient scapegoat - rather than focusing on the 1%. Affirmative action has been a sore point for many Whites, particularly conservatives ones, so the search for a scapegoat may have gone no farther than the usual suspect.

Orrex

(63,213 posts)
5. Well, that's what they get for being so uppity.
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 11:01 AM
Jan 2014

Demanding basic human rights and equality and whatnot. Shame on them.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
7. As for
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 11:11 AM
Jan 2014
This faux-outrage on the right about MHP’s racism and insensitivity obscures exactly this set of truths about the right’s shoddy record on race. That both Mitt Romney and Phil Robertson have and love black grandbabies should remind us that racism is not primarily about individual attitudes. White folks can love individual black people and still build a world that is inhospitable to black folks. In fact, individual and exceptional black achievers are necessary to maintain the lie of racial progress. Their presence has very little to do with systemic change, though.

...that, who can forget:

(CNN) – Maine Republican Gov. Paul LePage is keeping up his reputation for blunt language, telling an unhappy NAACP chapter that they can "kiss my butt."

<...>

"They are a special interest. End of story...and I'm not going to be held hostage by special interests. And if they want, they can look at my family picture. My son happens to be black, so they can do whatever they'd like about it," LePage said.

- more -

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/01/14/maine-governor-says-naacp-can-kiss-my-butt

Gov. Paul LePage tells fellow Republicans: Obama 'hates white people'
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/20/1232570/-Gov-Paul-LePage-tells-fellow-Republicans-Obama-hates-white-people

LePage feeds the cancer of racism in Maine
https://bangordailynews.com/2013/08/20/opinion/lepage-feeds-the-cancer-of-racism-in-maine/

The black son/grandchild is the new "black friend."

erpowers

(9,350 posts)
11. Democrats Need to Do a Better Job Of Discussing Issues
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 12:05 PM
Jan 2014

I think the biggest problem the Democratic Party has concerning the Melissa Harris-Perry Kieran Romney issue is that they are following the Republican narrative. The author of this piece, someone at Talking Points Memo, and other Democrats have seemingly accepted the narrative that Harris-Perry and her guests made fun of or mocked Kieran Romney. Neither Harris-Perry, nor her guests mocked Kieran Romney; they mocked Mitt Romney and the Republican Party. Democrats should make that fact known.

The worst thing that was said in that segment was when Pia Glenn said "one of these things is not like the other...". Right after that Harris-Perry said the boy was gorgeous and that she wanted him to marry North West so that Mitt Romney and Kanye West would have to be in-laws. Finally, Dean Obdeliah said the picture summed up the diversity of the Republican Party. I think most people could see that none of the jokes were meant to insult the family for adopting a black child.


cinnabonbon

(860 posts)
14. This a really good one. Kicked and recced.
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 12:46 PM
Jan 2014

I hope you won't get any hate for it.

I honestly can't believe that there are white people saying they have it worse. Or denying white privilege.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
15. I've known a few of these idiots
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jan 2014

Oh the poor white people! And a few who really thought Obama would get revenge, claiming he hates white people. This is on par with birtherism almost.

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