The elephant is in the room. Limbo or R Paul will force the issue of lowering SocSec to age 50.

[CK_John]

Again our lead candidates will look clueless. Why does Warren, Clinton, and Sanders avoid bring this up, they must know it's a possible solution to the jobs issue. Sanders has the most flexibility.

They don't have to endorse the idea but it will be the biggest fight in 2016.

[MineralMan]

1. I'm not sure what gives you that idea. Do you have a link or something?

I say that if a Republican proposed that, even in jest, Democrats should call their bluff and work like crazy to get it passed. The Republicans will back off something like that so fast it would make everyone's head spin right off their shoulders.

I don't think this will happen, and can't figure out where you got the idea.

[CK_John]

4. The GOP knows this is coming, so they will use the issue and blame it on us.

It may not happen but it needs discussion. Extending jobless benefits is a temp short term fix.

The labor pool needs to be reduced, getting out of the rat race at 50 is good solution,
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[MineralMan]

6. Still no source. So, this must be your own speculation.

I think you're way wrong on this one.

[CK_John]

9. it's a forum not a grand jury,

[MineralMan]

10. It's a discussion forum. That means if you put an idea forward,

you're going to get comments on that idea. That's why I asked where the idea came from. I don't think your idea makes any sense, and can't imagine any Republican actually putting such an idea on the table.

[CK_John]

12. I said the GOP will claim our candidates are, in order to control the debate,

[MineralMan]

13. I don't think so. Raising the issue isn't something

Republicans would think was beneficial. And I'm not seeing Democrats raising the issue either right now, either. As I said, I'd love to see it raised, but I can't see how that's going to happen in this mid-term election year.

[Katashi_itto]

18. Where are the signs for this? I am puzzled.

There is no undercurrent of push for anything like this. Where do you see that please?

[CK_John]

29. It is my solution for a lack of jobs. Trying to get some traction.

[Katashi_itto]

32. well, you need to develop a blog, videos and such to promote your point of view

go read "tipping point"

http://www.amazon.com/The-Tipping-Point-Little-Difference/dp/0316346624

Good material in it. We are using lots of the principles to push the indie movie I am directing.

[CK_John]

34. Sorry this is it, everybody checks this site out. This is the only solution

as opposed financial collapse and chaos in the streets.

[X_Digger]

36. He's pushing FOR the TPP.. say byebye to tons of jobs, so retire folks early. n/t

[Katashi_itto]

37. Well yes they are pushing TPP but that doesnt matter. From the GOP 's point of view

so what if it loses jobs. No safety nets are needed

[X_Digger]

38. Not 'they', I'm referring to CK_John- he's a huge proponent of the TPP.

This thread is him trying to get in front of the inevitable loss of jobs, should the TPP pass.

[Katashi_itto]

39. OMG! What!!! hE'S A TPP FLUNKEY/???

...........sorry thanks!!

[X_Digger]

40. No worries.. he's been trying to sneak in at least one thread like this a week.

He learned really fast that open advocacy for the TPP gets a lot of backlash, so he's trying to be cute.

[Katashi_itto]

43. :)

[CK_John]

42. You don't understand TPP and there are no jobs going anywhere. Macy's

announced the layoff of 2500 today, is that TPP? Read the financial papers to find out what going on in the world.

[ms liberty]

2. I think you need to check your assertions...

While Sec. Clinton has not, I think Warren and Sanders have come out for lowering the age for SS. I am not sure if it was to 50, but I know I saw a story about it here...maybe a couple of months ago? I'm on my phone now (at lunch) and cannot search.

[Common Sense Party]

3. No, if anything, they will advocate to push it out to age 70.

I'm not sure where you're coming from on this.

[Throd]

5. Nobody but you is talking about lowering the age to 50

[CK_John]

7. I'm not running for office, But this issue will surface because Cyber=era productivity

can not produce enough jobs for over half the population,

[former9thward]

8. You are absolutely right.

Everybody is in denial about this because they don't have a solution. Even if they restore UI it is not a solution because even with the federal extensions you eventually run out after 99 weeks and drop off.

[Throd]

11. Taking older, able-bodied people out of the workforce is not the solution

I'm 46. I wouldn't retire at 50 even if I could.

[Fumesucker]

14. The employers are taking people over fifty out of the workforce

Either by firing them or not hiring them in the first place.

[Throd]

16. That is unfortunately true.

[CK_John]

15. You will not have to but should have the choice, if you still have a job.

[beaglelover]

17. How would we pay for this?

There is no way Congress is going to agree to raise taxes so people can retire at age 50! As someone up thread pointed out, if anything, the age to receive full SS will be increased, not decreased!

[CK_John]

19. TAXES DO NOT PAY FOR sOC sEC, working people pay into a fund setup for it,

and the fund is ok for about 40 yr at the rate.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. If you allowed people to take SS at 50, you'd need a lot more money going into it

to keep it at a rate that people could live on. The 40 year figure would change.

[CK_John]

21. paying jobless benefits cost, Money can be found for war and bank bailout

[beaglelover]

23. No joke...it is funded through SS payroll TAXES!

Duh.

[CreekDog]

25. Wow, you doubled down on your own nonsense

you said SS isn't funded by taxes but by working people --please note: working people pay SS taxes.

second you said the fund is good for 40 years --please note: under the current structure of the program, but you're proposing to change it and say that the old funding assumptions won't change.


your posts and predictions have been pretty bad in the past and this is like the others.

[CK_John]

27. If your income is not on a payroll, is it taxed?

[CreekDog]

31. if you're self employed, yes

but you're running away from what you said.

but i think the mission here is obfuscation, so in that sense, you're following through with the plan.

[JoePhilly]

22. Not. Happening.

[pnwmom]

24. Rand Paul, Libertarian? Why? He would far be more likely to abolish SS

than to extend it.

[CK_John]

26. See reply 12.

[Larkspur]

28. It won't come from any Republican or Conservative

Thom Hartmann has been advocating the SOC SEC age be dropped to 55, but I haven't heard any Dem Congress people doing so yet.

I agree with dropping the age limit, but it won't happen as long as the Rethugs control the House.

[djean111]

30. Unless the cap is raised, lowering the age to 50 might mean lowering the benefit,

which is low enough already. This is why seniors are still working, because SS doesn't pay an awful lot of people enough to live on.
So great and all that, but how to pay for it, and how to make it enough money for people to actually retire.

[giftedgirl77]

33. The GOP is all about cutting what they

consider "entitlements" to include Social Security. If you have to work everyday & haven't invested in your own retirement, then they expect you to work until the day you die.

[X_Digger]

35. Still pushing the service-based economy due to 'free trade' bullshit, eh?

Might as well retire people out because the jobs are going elsewhere?

You know what? Fuck.that.noise.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

41. I predict this will go as well as your other predictions. nt

[X_Digger]

44. Or as well as his other threads advocating for the TPP (overtly or covertly). n/t

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

45. Unfortunately, the only thing he'll probably get right is that

fucking thing will probably get passed (to our detriment).