Chris Christie is such an utterly, thoroughly foul human being

[MannyGoldstein]

That he was actively backed for re-election by New Jersey's Democratic Establishment, and tacitly by the White House... well, it's clear that we need to take back our party.

Regards,

First-Way Manny

[rocktivity]

1. Or maybe the Dems did so because they knew something was coming

that could disable him as both NJ Governor and presidential candidate!


rocktivity

[JoePhilly]

3. They let the vindictive bully screw himself.

[lonestarnot]

6. Is that all? Whut about the ass whipp'n?

[JoePhilly]

7. I think Christie's ego took over and he decided he could do

whatever he wanted to whom ever he wanted.

Jersey politics has always been nasty. But Christie appears to have taken it to another level.

[sabrina 1]

15. Got something to prove that nonsense? Dems loved him, right here on DU. He was 'nice to Obama'

they said, which 'showed that he was not the usual Republican'.

Some of us laughed, knowing him for the bully he is and always was and what he was doing to the PUBLIC SCHOOLS in NJ. But those Dems would have none of it. Christie was the best because he allowed himself to be photographed with Obama and that was all it took.

Remember that you are talking to intelligent people here, do not insult us with this nonsense.

But, just for fun, let's go along with your fantasy. IF there was any truth to it, it was absolutely reprehensible to endorse someone who they knew had done something like this. THAT would Make THEM just as bad as he is.

They should have revealed this if they knew it. That was their duty. What you are saying is that Dems are just as devious and cynical, politically, as the one they are now pointing fingers at. I'm sure you don't want to do that. At least I hope not.

[bbgrunt]

30. thanks Sabrina 1. you rock.

[Scuba]

46. Thanks for putting an end to that bullshit.

[Enthusiast]

50. +1 a whole bunch.......nt

[Nay]

59. +1000, Sabrina. First,

as you say, if Dems did endorse Christie for this reason, they are just as shitty as he is. And the notion that Christie was a good guy because he hugged Obama -- Christ on a crutch, can we possibly, ever stop trying to nuzzle up to the goddamn Republicans, lookin' to get some luv??? It's pukeworthy.

Sabrina, lots of times I read posts like this and I just feel too tired to reply. Too discouraged. But it's heartening to see your replies!

[Octafish]

66. + 7

[Paladin]

70. +1. Thanks. (nt)

[davidpdx]

104. I read DU and have never seen such a comment made

If there were a few (or even three dozen for that matter), that would hardly be representative of the tens of thousands of DUers. I think you are blowing the whole "love for Christie on DU" thing out of proportion.

[dionysus]

116. making shit up is nothing new for the anti-dem contingent on DU...

[Skittles]

126. and the swooner contingent too

actually, the "anti-dem contingent" is the anti-swooner contingent

[dionysus]

127. .

[BlueCaliDem]

131. Either they're the last members of the circular firing squad that's crippled the Democratic Party

in the past, or something entirely different.

Either way,they're not here to strengthen or support the Democratic Party - judging from their posts. They're not helpful or an asset to the Democratic Party and should be ignored.

[A Simple Game]

135. Very nice, and I see you got the expected reaction from the conservative branch of DU.

Or should I say the reactionary branch?

[FatBuddy]

93. what nth level of extra dimensional chess might that be?

[sabrina 1]

105. Then they better stop supporting now or end up being part of the scandal. But

those Dems who helped get him elected dug in today when asked if they had changed their minds. They went out of their way to dispel the excuse being made for them, that they had feared retaliation and stated that they endorsed him because they 'loved' him and never felt pressured at all. That they 'believe him and support him'. It will be difficult for them now to take that back. Now would be time to back away from him. But they appear to be trying to help him survive. I don't think there is a remote chance that this was some kind of brilliant chess game they were playing. They just love the guy.

[ProgressSaves]

4. Not even remotely part of the narrative. Nor is it productive.

You should be ashamed of yourself for trying to tie the Democratic Party to Bridgegate.

Even FOX News or CBS hasn't made a sorry-assed attempt like that.

[sabrina 1]

16. Well you better read this thread. I just learned right here in this thread from Joe Philly

that Dems knew all about this emerging scandal and endorsed him so that he would be exposed in the future. That they were just playing games with the power they were given by the people.

The point appears to be that Manny didn't know how smart Dems who were just pretending to like Christie!

[MannyGoldstein]

25. You silly Goose. Don't you understand context?

It's all about beating up on FDR Democrats, not internal consistency of message.

[bbgrunt]

31. thanks Manny. You rock too!

[HangOnKids]

40. Hey 4 days in and the lecturing begins

You better know your place Sabrina!

[Capt. Obvious]

51. Thankfully, I don't see that

This thread is rather small on my end.

[El_Johns]

133. Yeah, they supported the Republican & let the Democrat sink so the Republican would shoot

himself in the foot, and then -- they could elect a Democrat.

or something

[Fumesucker]

94. Welcome to DU!

[morningfog]

138. Welcome back!

[msanthrope]

5. ODS. nt

[Capt. Obvious]

52. BOT

[BlueCaliDem]

132. BIG time.

And all the usual suspects are high-fiving each other on this thread.

Sickening.

[catbyte]

8. But poor Christie said today that this is the first he's heard about it!

However, what's NOT funny & what's gotta be giving "Christie 2016" supporters indigestion now is the thought of a 2016 campaign ad featuring that 91 year old woman who died after the ambulance she was in was delayed getting to the hospital. Or that creep cavalierly "smiling"about "Buono voter's children" being stuck.

Unbelievble.

[Doctor_J]

10. How about when he took a taxpayer-funded helicopter to his son's baseball game

This guy is mentally ill, even moreso than most Repukes.

[jsr]

13. If Christie is elected President, he WILL punish the cities that didn't vote for him.

[SidDithers]

9. Holy shit. Manny's almost attacked a Republican!...

Sid

[sabrina 1]

18. Great so when are you going to do so?

...

[Scuba]

47. Snort.

[99Forever]

117. Ut oh...

... that's gonna leave a mark.

(In this case, a skid mark.)

[MannyGoldstein]

23. In Canada, do they teach schoolchildren that Lincoln was a bad man

for firing his losing generals? After all, it was the Confederacy that was the bad guys.

[DevonRex]

120. Ask EarlG and Skinner if they want you harrassing Canadians.

Or all DUers who live in or are from any other country. Perhaps you should complain about Sid's country of residence in ATA. Or ALL Canadians in ATA. Or all feriners? This is Manny's Murica, dammit!

(Yes, we know that's why Canada pops up so often

. It's telling Sid and other Canadians, even expats who vote, to butt out, STFU.)

Personally, I think it's grand that we get so many different people and countries chiming in!

[MannyGoldstein]

124. I didn't intend to make a dig at Canada

I agree that it's great we have posters from other countries.

[sabrina 1]

125. The complaint wasn't about Canada. How disingenuous to even suggest that. How about people

from other countries harassing American Democrats on a Democratic Forum? Do you think Skinner or EarlG or anyone else wants that happening on their forum, especially since many people have left this forum because of it?

Have you ever admonished any of them for harassing American Dems on a Dem forum the way you are attempting to admonish Manny for standing up for American Democrats?

I think it's great that there are people from all over the world who respect and support American Democrats, some of them I have met in person.

[dionysus]

134. well, Sid actually supports elected American Democrats a hell of a lot more than some of the

American Democrats on DU do...

[sabrina 1]

139. Really? I am a Democrat, Manny is a Democrat, DU is filled with Democrats. Could you link to this

support for Democrats a majority of whom will be very surprised to see. I will be happy to be proven wrong.

[geek tragedy]

27. Almost. nt

[Number23]

84. LOL! I was thinking the same thing! Good Lord, this OP actually almost, slightly criticized a Repub

but then....

Missed it by *THAT* much.

[dionysus]

114. he really, really tried, but third party Manny took over and he couldn't do it...

[DevonRex]

123. But he couldn't quite...

do it without playing the same old tune, could he?

[treestar]

11. Anything to bash Democrats

Let NJ Democrats decide for their state.

[rhett o rick]

12. If you have principles, you bash who needs bashing. Wouldnt it be swell if all you had to think

about is what letter a politician called themselves? D = good and R = bad. It's not that easy. Some Democrats embrace conservative principles. The Democrats have a conservative/corporatist wing (the Lieberman Wing or maybe the Zell Miller Wing).

[sabrina 1]

20. Why were they endorsing a Republican?? Remember, we asked back then. And were more or less

told we were whining or something. NJ Dems DID decide for their state. That's what the OP just said. Do you agree with Dems endorsing Republicans? I don't, I have always said so, and I agree with Manny. It was a shame to see the fawning over Christie from Dems, a man everyone who knew anything about him, were aware of his nastiness, his destruction of the Public Schools, his arrogance and meanness. But try to say to some people here on DU and you were 'bitter' or something.

It's so much easier to just stick to principles. You don't have to keep jumping around trying to defend NOT doing so. Dems should not be endorsing people like Christie, period.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

34. In bizzaro world, the Dems who endorsed a pig are the good guys

And the DUer who criticized those Dems is the bad guy.

[sabrina 1]

39. Thanks, sometimes it helps to have someone explain the convoluted logic I see here sometimes.

How many times have Liberals warned about 'bi-partisanship' with Republicans, each time being told how 'politically naive' they are? Gates, did ANYONE in their right mind understand why this war mongering Bush loyalist was not fired as soon as Dems had the opportunity to do so?

Manny is absolutely right. So sick of watching Dems support Republicans over the base of their own party and the support they get here until it turns out, predictably, bad. Then they ATTACK those who tried to warn them FOR BEING RIGHT.

[hatrack]

49. Getting . . . dizzy. Must . . . . reach . . . . Dramamine! Ugg . . . passing out . . .

Seriously, before this thread, I'd never thought I'd experience motion sickness while sitting at my computer.

[polichick]

58. It truly is bizzaro world - sheeple follow their leaders no matter what.

[polichick]

57. It's about standing up for principled Dems while some "Dems"...

stand with RepubliCons against them.

Like it or not, some "Dems" are frauds.

[jsr]

14. No truer words, Manny.

[ProSense]

17. "Chris Christie is such an utterly, thoroughly foul human being"

Thanks Obama!

DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz To Christie: 'Time's Up, Guv'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024298306

[MannyGoldstein]

19. Why do you think that Obama wouldn't endorse Buono? nt

[ProSense]

22. Because he wanted Christie to win?

Bill DeBlasio, Terry McAuliffe and Christie?

I blame Obama for the traffic jam.

[sabrina 1]

21. Where was Debbie when Dems were endorsing Christie? What did she say back then? What

she says now is of no consequence really. Jumping on a bandwage, late, or jumping off a sinking ship, too late, isn't impressive. Do you have anything on what she was saying when Dems were endorsing Christie? WE had a lot to say, but I don't recall anything from Debbie Wasserman.

[ProSense]

24. Please,

"Where was Debbie when Dems were endorsing Christie? What did she say back then? What she says now is of no consequence really. Jumping on a bandwage, late, or jumping off a sinking ship, too late, isn't impressive. Do you have anything on what she was saying when Dems were endorsing Christie? WE had a lot to say, but I don't recall anything from Debbie Wasserman."

...no one gave a shit about the election until Buono lost. I voted for her, did you?

DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz: Barbara Buono will Move All New Jersey Families Forward
http://www.democrats.org/news/press/dnc_chair_debbie_wasserman_schultz_barbara_buono_will_move_all_new_jersey_f

DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s Statement on New Jersey Gubernatorial Debate
http://www.democrats.org/news/press/dnc_chair_debbie_wasserman_schultzs_statement_on_new_jersey_gubernatorial_d

Campaign event with DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz
https://www.facebook.com/events/251952461618412/?source=1

[SidDithers]

37. Ooh. That's gonna leave a mark...nt

Sid

[sabrina 1]

43. Wrong, AGAIN. IF you had read my question you would have noticed that it wasn't ANSWERED.

We KNOW the DNC Chair has to make a show of support for the Dem. But clearly you do not know anything about that debacle or you would know WHY I asked the specific question I asked.

I asked what she had to say to those members of her party, elected Democrats, who foolishly and against the advice of actual Dems who KNEW Christie, endorsed Christie for Gov. What she had DONE to get them to support the DEMOCRAT. What money she had allocated to the Dem who was badly in need of money. What ANY of the Dem leadership had done to stop Christie, whose policies are UNPOPULAR in NJ, and at least stop Dems from supporting him. Dems have a 700,000 voter majority in NJ, it is a BLUE STATE. Yet, Dems endorsed the bully, well known for his anit Democratic policies and Wasserman did nothing to stop them. Why?

The DNC IGNORED the Dem with any ACTUAL support. Words from Wasserman are useless. She did nothing to stop Dems from supporting Christie which is why I got links to her WORDS rather than her actions as Chair of the DNC..


So again ..... What did the Wasserman DO to get the Dems in NJ to support the Democrat rather than the Republican?

I know the answer of course. Everyone does. Well, almost everyone .....

[SidDithers]

48. ...

Sid

[Bobbie Jo]

54. Best possible response.

Good grief.

[Number23]

85. I love the indignant responses accusing JoePhilly of touting "nonsense" when that person

made quite possibly the most laughable comment in the history of this web site when s/he said that Edward Snowden "planted" all of his pro-Ron Paul, pro-Libertarian, anti-Social Security comments on the web YEARS before he went to work at Booz Allen because he knew the gov't would be tracking him soon.

In a long, long, LONG line of head-scratching, totally unintentional foolishness, that one pretty much wins the Cockamamy Crown.

[sabrina 1]

69. Still not getting an answer to my question, maybe you could answer it? Why did Wasserman

tacitly support the Republican rather than getting behind the Democrat who only needed some help from the party to get what is a majority Dem vote in NJ, a Blue State? Why would they WANT to fail to win that state's Governorship? Lots of people here are asking that question. Especially since this is not the first time the Dem Party has supported a Republican rather than a Democrat. It seems to be becoming a trend. The question is 'why'?

[sabrina 1]

44. That's not an answer to my question. Where was Wasserman, or any of the Dem Leadership when Christie

was boasting about all the DEM support he was getting? What did she DO to stop Dems from endorsing a Republican? What money did she send to help the Democrat, what national Dems did she ask to go and help the DEMOCRAT? What calls did she make to STOP Dems from endorsing someone whose policies in a BLUE STATE are unpopular and where Dems have a voter advantagge of over 700,000?

Don't bother, we know what she did. And we know the excuses that were made. A few token words are what you linked to.

And what will Dems learn from this? They will claim it all worked out the way they had hoped. And who will believe them anymore after leaving the Democrat with zero help, a little of which would have at least caused those Dems who voted for Christie to think twice? Not too many Dems who were disgusted at the time and are now vindicated. Makes you wonder how qualified these people are to lead this party.

[rufus dog]

41. Yo, Rosanne Rosannadana

Never mind

http://m.

&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DV3FnpaWQJO0

[geek tragedy]

26. Always about hating on Obama with some people.

Obama couldn't help Buono win, he could only piss away political capital on a candidate who wasn't even fully backed by her own party and had a 0.0000% chance of winning.

[pkdu]

32. Yep, disdain for Obama is dripping, yet again . Nt

[Jakes Progress]

35. Really? It seems the disdain is for Democratic principles.

But when you are blinded by the light…I guess that happens.

[pkdu]

95. Good luck posting that here after Sept. Nt

[Jakes Progress]

98. How

cryptic. Don't really have a reply, so you just post some shit without a point.

Thanks for bumping the thread anyway.

[SidDithers]

36. +1...nt

Sid

[Jakes Progress]

38. Always about loving on Obama with some people.

Principle doesn't matter. Not even politics. Just personality.

What political capital does Obama get with favoring a republican thug over a Democrat. If someone on DU did that, that person would be tombstoned before the third reply.

[sabrina 1]

45. +1000 n/t

[geek tragedy]

56. He didn't endorse Christie, fer crissakes.

Had he gone all in for Buono, she would have lost by 19-21 instead of 22 and the story would have been how NJ rejected national liberalism.

[sabrina 1]

60. That's nothing but a CT. Buono's positions on the issues were far, far more popular than Christie's

NJ is a BLUE STATE. Democrats have a 700,000 voter advantage over Republicans. Christie's handling of Sandy, contrary to the stories told and his photo ops had already begun to anger the victims of that storm.

All it would have taken was a little effort, to let the Dem Voters know the Party was BACKING their own candidate, but Dem voters were more or less told how great Christie was, he was so 'moderate', which was always BS so they were led to believe that the Dem candidate was not viable when the only reason for that was the abandonment of the Party and WORSE the Endorsement by over 50 Dem leaders. That doesn't happen without a wink from the party leadership.

And no national Dem figure went to NJ to back her up. We knew what was going on and nothing has changed since then. Too late for those who supported Christie to jump ship at this point. We have seen this endorsement of Republicans before by Dems and we need an explanation for it.

[geek tragedy]

63. nice fairy tale

1) Every single poll ever taken in that race showed Christie obliterating Buono. Maybe you can contact the "Unskewed Polls" wingnut who called Romney's win over Obama and compare notes.

2) "all it would have taken was a little effort" See above

3) The only reason Buono got the nomination is that no Democrat with any kind of statewide name recogntion wanted to go up against Christie as a sacrificial lamb;

4) Debbie Wasserman-Schultz went to NJ to campaign for Buono.

[Jakes Progress]

99. Love that "sensible" position.

Why stand for a principle? It is so old school Democrat. The reagan democrats know how to fold em, how to run away and win. They just don't know what they are winning for.

How too cool for the room Obama was not to actually take a stand for Democrats. Maybe the republican will really like him now. Seems to be his most fervent dream.

Yep. Fairy tale. That's a story with good and evil. Some are good and some are evil. In your world those terms don't seem to matter. What does, I wonder.

Just tell me that you will support someone who argues against supporting a Democrat instead of a republican. Just tell me that you could get away with that on DU.

[geek tragedy]

100. In the real world unpleasant decisions have to be made.

Having the national narrative being that Christie kicked Obama's ass in NJ, and that NJ was a referendum on Democrats nationally, would have helped Christie and the Republicans.

Fighting for the sake of fighting, without regard for consequences, is foolish, not noble.

[Fumesucker]

111. But Democrats endorsing Christie didn't help him or the Republicans?

[geek tragedy]

112. Oh that was just treachery. nt

[Capt. Obvious]

53. want some cheese to go with that whine? nt

[JustAnotherGen]

55. Yep

And everyone also wants to forget that folks here told NJ folks that we couldn't win, and that the real race that could be won was in VA.

We have a 'machine' here in NJ - and the reality is . . . that machine did not want Buono running for that seat. They didn't even push back against the special election.

Yet somehow - it's Obama's fault.

[Octafish]

67. Isn't it a Democrat's duty to help another Democrat?

Republicans already have Republicans helping them.

[geek tragedy]

68. Democrats' duty is to win their own elections and get

their policies passed.

It's not plausible to hold other Democrats' responsible for a weak candidacy that never had a chance of winning.

If Christie had been vulnerable in 2013, someone with a better chance of beating him than Buono would have run. She essentially ran as a placeholder.

[Octafish]

73. That's the difference between the Howard Dean and Rahm Emanuel schools.

Dean led the fight in all 50 states. Emanuel picked the races that made the most sense.

Dean's approach won the House and strengthened the Senate, delivering majorities for President Obama to work with in 2009.

http://www.governing.com/blogs/politics/gov-democrat-howard-deans-fifty-state-strategy.html

Looking back, it's interesting to see how what was done with the unusual opportunity for meaningful change, from ending wars to prosecuting banksters to raising taxes on the wealthy to universal healthcare to the New Deal for the 21st Century.

[geek tragedy]

74. Who was running the DCCC while Dean was head of DNC?

Oh yeah, that would have been Rahm Emmanuel.

One has to work pretty hard to credit one without the other.

50 State Strategy was a good idea, but the person responsible for the Democrats' success in 2006 and 2008 was George W Bush.

Dean still had to divide resources, and didn't throw massive resources at races where we trailed by 20% in every single poll.

[Octafish]

76. Who blew the chance of a lifetime -- Democratic White House, Senate and House of Representatives?

Oh.

[geek tragedy]

78. What do you mean 'blew?'

Any piece of legislation moving through Congress still needed Blue Dog support in the House and DINO (LIEberman, Blanche Lincoln, Tom Carper, Ben Nelson, Baucus) support in the Senate.

Nevertheless, quite a bit passed in two years. When was the last time we had a better two years in terms of legislation?

[Octafish]

79. You are right. I forgot the ''Historic Mandate for Change.''

To get the Blue Dogs in Congress to "go along" presupposes they lead the President. IMO, the "DINOs" would fall in line were the consequences for their intransigence spelled out by the Administration.

[geek tragedy]

80. Blue Dogs are lead by their own asses.

Obama didn't win in their districts, and he had not a lot of leverage over them as individuals.

Congress is a co-equal branch, the President doesn't have the option of going Chris Christie on them every time they step out of line.

[GeorgeGist]

91. ELI5

How would PRESIDENT Obama piss away political capital by backing a Democrat?

[geek tragedy]

92. by having his capital 'proved' worthless when that Democrat gets their

ass kicked in a blue state. It would have been Obama vs Christie, and Obama loses, tell me how that helps anything at any level.

[WillyT]

28. K & R !!!

[Cleita]

29. The first I ever heard of him he was being endorsed by Ann Coulter

as the Republican presidential candidate for the last election. That alone was enough for me to look at him with a really critical eye when he started to make news. I wasn't wrong.

[Beacool]

42. Finally something that we can agree on.

Christie is a bully and a nasty man.

[Skraxx]

61. LOL!! Gotta Find SOME Way, ANY Way to Bash Dems and Obama with the News of the Day!

News bad for GOP? Somehow tie it to "Obama BAD!".

Hilarious!

[Bobbie Jo]

65. Points for creativity are in order.

[sabrina 1]

71. Did Democrats endorse Christie or not? Are you arguing that the OP is wrong

or that we should not talk these now recurring examples of Dems 'crossing the aisle' only to be bitten once again. Gates, eg. How many times have we begged them never to trust a Right Wing bully like Christie only to be attacked for 'wanting to make Obama look bad'?? Is that what you think people were doing when they expressed their opposition to Dems endorsing Christie, 'trying to make Obama look bad'.

Seems we can't win. When we object to Dems policies of 'bi-partisanship' and 'compromise' with these right wingers, we are trying 'to make Obama look bad' and when we are proven right, we 'are trying to make Obama look bad'.

Here's some information for you. People have a whole lot more on their minds than trying to 'make Obama look bad'. We would like the president we elected to look good, to stop trusting Right Wingers so that they can't betray that trust.

Whether it is this president or any other Dem President. You can't look good cavorting with some of the most selfish, bullying, corrupt, psychopathic morons we have experienced in the living memories of many people here.

Excuse us for being right. Again. And maybe your anger should be directed at those in the party who continue to push the notion that you can reason with these people.

[Skraxx]

72. You folks are adorable!

Like little outraged kitties!

[Skraxx]

82. That's an important note? I can't imagine a life where that's an important note

Ignoring people on internet message boards is something that's important enough in your life to make an important note about?

Kinda sad, but hey! Whatever floats your note!

[Number23]

86. Oh, that is gonna leave a mark and stick like glue

You folks are adorable! Like little outraged kitties!



How dare you not take their fauxrage seriously!! The OP spent a whole seven minutes coming up with this tripe before posting it!

[sabrina 1]

87. You forgot, RIGHT and adorable!

Justifiable outrage is ALWAYS, ALWAYS better than apathy in the face of wrongdoing and especially of abuses of power. Thanks to justifiable outrage as history shows, many great things have happened.

Correction though, we have not been outraged enough so far. Obviously.

And thanks also for the 'kitty' analogy. Kitties are rarely outraged without good reason.

'You folks' you mean DUers, Democrats I assume? Are you not one of 'us folks' then?

[Skraxx]

88. Yes, yes dear, you're right, of course you are

You little outrage muffin!

[sabrina 1]

89. Aw, how cute. I'm blushing, though being right is not new to me it's rare to

receive such a resounding endorsement from 'not one of us'.

[Skraxx]

90. Not only are you right, but you're also so effective! I mean, just look at what you're being right

has accomplished! So much! I mean, Obama's going to be impeached any day now, thanks to you and your outraged pals! Your eternal Obama outrage is the energy that creates all positive progress in the universe! Obama has no idea how to handle you and your pals! It looks like he's met his match and has no choice but to cede to your demands and implement your awesome solutions to everything!

Great work! The world is a better place due to your eternal Obama outrage! All the children are fed, all the elderly are secure, everyone has jobs and all it's because you never stop for a moment from attacking Obama and making sure everyone knows that ultimately he is responsible, either directly, or indirectly for all the evil in the world!

I support your anti-Obama crusade now! You've convinced me how effective you are! All it took was your simple declaration that you were "right"!! How could I have not see this before? Halleluah! You're right! Now the world is at peace and all the children are singing!!! Praise be the pessimists! It is they who shall save us from Obama!

[sabrina 1]

96. You sound angry. But let's calm down a bit shall we? You have used the word 'Obama'

six times in that relatively short diatribe. Can you explain to me why you are addressing ME on the subject of this president? Perhaps you are confusing me with someone else. I don't believe I have referred to the President very often, so what prompted this diatribe?

I am focused on one thing, ISSUES and generally don't focus obsessively on politicians one way or the other. Politicans are politicians, mature people accept that and don't attacjh themselves personally to politicians once they reach the age of reason. So I'm at a loss regarding this outrage on your part in defense of a politician I do not recall mentioning veru often.

You seem narrowly focused on a sort of cult of personality. I understand that, I remember my own immature obsession with defending Clinton from the despicable attacks on him from the Right. But I moved on, grew up and realized that politicians are not the main problem, ISSUES are how we define ourselves as Democrats.

I think you probably mentioned this President's name more in that one comment than I have in dozens of comments. I understand there is a contingency around whose goal it is to personalize politics in order to avoid discussing important issues. We are all familiar with the tactic. But Presidents are not my main concern, my concern is getting things done FOR THE PEOPLE.

Did you get lost? Your comment means nothing to me, frankly, it simply doesn't apply.

[Skraxx]

107. Oh Punkin', you're so Obama obsessed, you're with the deluded sap who thinks Christie's problems

are a good subject to use to bash Obama.

[sabrina 1]

109. You appear to believe you have capabilities involving mind reading. A lot of people on the internet

suffer from that delusion.

Otoh, sometimes people are only capable of judging others by their own behavior. Eg, if someone is obsessed with a public figure, movie star, politician etc, they become incapable of acting independently of their obsessions. That sad condition often turns into what is known as projection, also very common on the internet. Such people will attribute their own inability to think, free of the obsession, to others, unaware of the fact that the condition is limited ONLY to those who are susceptible to such obsessions.

I can't decide ...

Projection or delusions of being a mindreader through cyber space?

Your comment is a classic example of one or the other, or both.

But it's a difficult choice since both exhibit many of the same signs.

I'll let you decide for yourself.

I'm going with both ...

[Skraxx]

113. Nah, just reading Sherlock!

[Fumesucker]

101. Dude, they're doing wonderful things with decaf these days, you can hardly tell it from high test

[Hassin Bin Sober]

110. You rang?

<------Never mind, I thought you said "Attack Muffin"

[Zorra]

97. Nevertheless, it's a legitimate, and relevant, beef. Friends don't let friends vote republican. nt

[Zorra]

62. + infinity squared!!! nt

[Rex]

64. Awww you gave people that like Chris Christie a sadz!

[adirondacker]

102. 3rd way sure knows how to pick em!

[great white snark]

77. Holy crap, ODS has reached advanced stages.

Nurse, realism transfusion stat!

[HappyMe]

81. No kidding.

Thanks Obama.

[AzDar]

83. K & R

[Samantha]

103. I guess it was my inside-the-beltway mentality that took over when I watched his press conference

Something quite unexpectedly happened to me. I was seriously listening, but suddenly just started laughing. The laughing continued until the end of the conference. I just could not believe he would seriously expect anyone to buy what he was peddling. I one point I was laughing so hard I was almost crying. I believe it was when he mentioned just how SAD he felt about the whole thing. Right.

Like so many others, I have watched him wondering exactly how far he would be able to go. I early on started thinking of him simply as a bully but could not believe the positive reaction he elicited from so many in our party. While I did not truly hold him in contempt, meaning I did not despise them to the degree I despised George W. Bush*, until this press conference, I was acutely aware of his political positions on many issues and I knew there was no way I would feel comfortable with him sitting in the Oval Office, should that happen.

So I celebrate this press conference. I sincerely believe his performance, and that is exactly what that display was, will convince so many other Americans Christie is not The One.

Sam

[JI7]

106. hahah, i love how concerned some claimed to be AFTER the election when they never posted

a thing before to show support for the Buono. although they did make a post about how if they could overturn any election it would be 2008.

[dionysus]

118. how true.

[woo me with science]

108. Oh, that's gonna leave a mark.

K&R

[DevonRex]

121. Only with people who post woo like this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024312370#post15

The rest of us are snickering.

[dionysus]

115. LOL... bless your little heart Manny, you try so very, very hard...

[ForgoTheConsequence]

128. And succeeds.....

The Christie loving third way "democrats" are having a collective meltdown in this thread. It's hilarious.

[TeeYiYi]

119. I'm glad you posted this.

I still get angry at the complete and utter betrayal of Barbara Buono by her own party; both locally and in the White House.

TYY

[DevonRex]

122. *snort* Manny, that is just pathetic. Worst stretch in months.

Tacitly? Srsly?

[dionysus]

130. the tiny fists never quit flailing, do they?

[DevonRex]

140. It's so much fun to watch!

Especially when the little feet start going, too!

[ForgoTheConsequence]

129. Like I posted in another thread....

Supporting a third party progressive = bad (because you're really just voting for republicans!!!)

Actually voting for or endorsing a republican = perfectly ok.



Love watching the third way "democrats" get exposed. Their goal has always been to pull the party to the right and now we know how far right, Christie.

[JustAnotherGen]

136. I didn't see him being backed by the White House

And President Obama had nothing to do with Governor Christie's actions in September.

And for the record - even right here at DU - from the very far left - there was snickering sideways ridicule at how passionately we supported Buono.

So now - after valiant efforts by the NJ Senate to stop Christie Judical Activist Appontments to our high court . . . Now there is talk of "taking back our party"?

Where was this when I posted appeals for financial help, phone banking from out of state for Buono . . . NOW we have to take back the party?

The party faithful are right here in NJ and gave heart and soul to Buono. We never left - and neither did our Senate. As a matter of fact we kept our Legslative branch bright blue this past November . . .