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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 01:21 PM Jan 2014

Pope Francis calls abortion 'horrific' in toughest remark to date

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pope-francis-calls-abortion-horrific-in-toughest-remark-to-date-1.2494277

Pope Francis, whom conservatives in the Roman Catholic Church have accused of not speaking out forcefully enough against abortion, on Monday called the practice "horrific."

The pope made his toughest remarks to date on abortion in his yearly address to diplomats accredited to the Vatican, a speech known as his "State of the World" address.

"It is horrific even to think that there are children, victims of abortion, who will never see the light of day," he said in a section of the speech about the rights of children around the world.

Abortion, he said, was part of a "throwaway culture" that had enveloped many parts of the world.

"Unfortunately, what is thrown away is not only food and dispensable objects, but often human beings themselves, who are discarded as unnecessary," he said.



Meet the new boss, same as the old boss - an old, unmarried, man telling women what they should and shouldn't do with their bodies.

Sid
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Pope Francis calls abortion 'horrific' in toughest remark to date (Original Post) SidDithers Jan 2014 OP
and I disagree with him. Oth, I agree with him about trickle down economics. cali Jan 2014 #1
Of course it's impossible to overstate the pope's influence on U.S. economic policy... Egalitarian Thug Jan 2014 #2
Your disagreement is about as impactful on the Pope as his words about 'trickle down' are on Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #22
This belongs in the religion forum. nt el_bryanto Jan 2014 #3
So alert... SidDithers Jan 2014 #4
I don't alert because I don't want to have someone get banned. el_bryanto Jan 2014 #7
He means an SOP alert and they won't be banned for an sop alert. hrmjustin Jan 2014 #42
I love that, "Pope Photo-op." Archae Jan 2014 #9
And his thug posse the "Shield of Roses" is in the Supreme Court today warrant46 Jan 2014 #50
"Altar". I know it pains you to type that but it's the proper spelling. rug Jan 2014 #56
Fixed. You can return to your genuflecting...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #57
Ok, carry on with your fulminating. rug Jan 2014 #61
Allwed in GD "Because the pope is big news" pintobean Jan 2014 #5
Yeah, nothing is really changing zappaman Jan 2014 #6
But he was Esquire Magazine's 2013 Best Dressed Man!!... SidDithers Jan 2014 #8
Maybe they should come up with some snooper2 Jan 2014 #10
OK, THAT'S funny... SidDithers Jan 2014 #11
LMAO Cali_Democrat Jan 2014 #52
Hol(e)y condoms? No thanks. MineralMan Jan 2014 #70
Posts like this ought to stop people here from all the pope worship, LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #12
100% correct dbackjon Jan 2014 #66
Pope SamKnause Jan 2014 #13
Protecting abusers is horrific. Hoarding millions to hide from victims is horrific. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #14
Reply SamKnause Jan 2014 #32
I missed the part where... bobclark86 Jan 2014 #21
Reply SamKnause Jan 2014 #30
I really don't expect anything from Pope Frank on women's rights. ananda Jan 2014 #15
Too bad there are so many followers in the world... polichick Jan 2014 #16
I have been surprised how little support for choice and contraception there is on DU. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #17
amen. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #19
+1000 theHandpuppet Jan 2014 #26
The surprise is that so many people think liberals WANT abortions Johonny Jan 2014 #36
Safe, legal, rare was REMOVED from the party platform in 2008. Get with the times. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #40
Anti-abortion, anti-birth control, anti-woman, anti-gay... and pro child rape Demo_Chris Jan 2014 #18
A good Catholic doesn't like abortion... bobclark86 Jan 2014 #20
And yet the Church used to burn 'heretics' at the stake and the Bible lists dozens of 'sins' for Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #23
Your assumptions about me are shit bobclark86 Jan 2014 #37
I did not say the pope said to kill gay people. That's so damn rude. But I was rude first. Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #51
He doesn't remove Cardinals that do call for it. dbackjon Jan 2014 #67
I just want him to keep his archaic and harmful rules within his church and stay the FUCK PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #24
Don't any of them realize it is necessary at times? Rex Jan 2014 #25
Anyone who thought that this Pope would 180 on every bad Church policy is a fool Drale Jan 2014 #27
Why would anyone expect the pope to say anything else about abortion? Jenoch Jan 2014 #28
What's the Amazing Randi say about Pope Francis, SidDithers? Octafish Jan 2014 #29
Since Randi is gay, he probably doesn't think much of him... SidDithers Jan 2014 #31
Don't get angry, SidDithers. Octafish Jan 2014 #33
... SidDithers Jan 2014 #34
Why does my pointing out hypocrisy make you laugh? Octafish Jan 2014 #38
I'm laughing because you think you're pointing out hypocrisy... SidDithers Jan 2014 #39
Yes. Because you don't see it. Octafish Jan 2014 #41
Psst! zappaman Jan 2014 #43
Are you going to write to the Amazing Randi, too? Octafish Jan 2014 #45
Sure! zappaman Jan 2014 #46
Gosh. I am afraid of no man, zappaman. Octafish Jan 2014 #47
Yes zappaman Jan 2014 #48
I'm not afraid of them, either. Octafish Jan 2014 #49
Hmmm... greytdemocrat Jan 2014 #54
Then he should refuse to get one. ellie Jan 2014 #35
Well, it seems like he isn't covering up the raping of little boys... zappaman Jan 2014 #44
The Pope is not married, not a woman and clearly, not an environmentalist. JDPriestly Jan 2014 #53
Well, he is the pope. JoePhilly Jan 2014 #55
Here's the full text of his address. rug Jan 2014 #58
"rull"?...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #59
Thank you, I'll altar it. rug Jan 2014 #60
Kick for the anniversary of Roe v Wade...nt SidDithers Jan 2014 #62
He can call it StarlightGold Jan 2014 #63
*unless you are in a state with massive restrictions in place thanks to assholes like him. PeaceNikki Jan 2014 #69
But killing gays is A-OK with you, right? dbackjon Jan 2014 #64
With him, not me... SidDithers Jan 2014 #65
Correct ! dbackjon Jan 2014 #68
 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
2. Of course it's impossible to overstate the pope's influence on U.S. economic policy...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 01:27 PM
Jan 2014


How divisive is an issue that has me disagreeing with you and agreeing with Sid? This completely transparent effort to normalize this latest enabler of evil will not be good for DU.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
22. Your disagreement is about as impactful on the Pope as his words about 'trickle down' are on
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:56 PM
Jan 2014

the Republican Party. I agree with Sid. Which I never do.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
4. So alert...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 01:30 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:33 PM - Edit history (1)

As long as there are threads genuflecting at the altar of Pope Photo-Op, I'll post threads that are critical of him and the international crime syndicate that he heads up.

Sid

el_bryanto

(11,804 posts)
7. I don't alert because I don't want to have someone get banned.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jan 2014

I don't want to be part of someone getting banned unless they are doing something really abusive.

But yes - if you want others to play by the rules you should play by them yourself.

Bryant

Archae

(46,347 posts)
9. I love that, "Pope Photo-op."
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jan 2014

As is, outside of some token gestures and rhetoric, the Pope is doing nothing at all to stop child molesters, and those who cover up for them.

Cardinal Law is still a Cardinal.

Archbishop Finn is still an Archbishop.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
50. And his thug posse the "Shield of Roses" is in the Supreme Court today
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 07:56 PM
Jan 2014

With Scalia and Kagan fawning at their feet.

Terrorist thugs

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
6. Yeah, nothing is really changing
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 01:33 PM
Jan 2014

no matter how many posts we see each day saying how great this guy is.

LuvNewcastle

(16,856 posts)
12. Posts like this ought to stop people here from all the pope worship,
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jan 2014

but it won't. That makes me doubt their sincerity when it comes to gay rights and women's rights. Apparently they can ignore those issues because the Pope talks about the evils of capitalism. I agree with his views on economics, but gay rights and women's rights are just as important as that is, and they can't be ignored because someone's in the thrall of a new holy man who talks about helping the poor.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
66. 100% correct
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:58 PM
Jan 2014

Very little peeps on the pro-killing/torturing of gays policy of the Nigerian Cardinal - that thread sank like a stone.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
13. Pope
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:29 PM
Jan 2014

Demonizing birth control for women is horrific.

Mothers watching their starving children dying is horrific.

Denying birth control to women and forcing them to bring children into a world where they will starve is horrific.

War is horrific.

Homelessness is horrific.

Poverty is horrific.

Female genetaila mutalation is horrific.

Rape being used as a tool of war is horrific.

Abortion does not make my list of horrific things.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
14. Protecting abusers is horrific. Hoarding millions to hide from victims is horrific.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:33 PM
Jan 2014

Abortion AND contraception are moral and positive choices that liberates women, saves lives, and protect families.

Nice list, btw...

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
32. Reply
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:26 PM
Jan 2014

Thanks for the addition.

I don't know how I left out the most obvious one, protecting child abusers.

Thanks for the compliment as well.

Best to you and yours.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
21. I missed the part where...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jan 2014

... all except the first (and third, but it's basically the same point) ARE NOT horrific. Please show me the quote?

polichick

(37,152 posts)
16. Too bad there are so many followers in the world...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:42 PM
Jan 2014

A top-down institution such as the pope should be obsolete by now.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
17. I have been surprised how little support for choice and contraception there is on DU.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:51 PM
Jan 2014

The opposition to equality for gay people I expected, but I really thought folks would stand up for reproductive choice instead of adopting Francis' nuttery. Anyone who promotes this guy and claims to be pro choice or pro gay is full of themselves and of shit.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
26. +1000
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:14 PM
Jan 2014

Yes, that has been shocking and a huge disappointment. Even more shocking is how many women defend this misogynist bigot.

Johonny

(20,889 posts)
36. The surprise is that so many people think liberals WANT abortions
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:26 PM
Jan 2014

safe, legal, rare has been the party platform how long now? I doubt Hillary will run with any other message. If the Pope wants to actually lower the need for abortions then he will find liberals and not conservatives are the ones willing to take the first step with sex education, better career opportunities for woman, contraception, family planning etc...

If Pope hates abortion then the Pope should hate the rethug party that drives the need for them ever higher.

I never understand why so many media writers assume the opposite of Conservatives prohibition on abortion is somehow that liberals want to have lots and lots of them.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
20. A good Catholic doesn't like abortion...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 02:53 PM
Jan 2014

...or the death penalty...
...or war...
...or starving poor people to help some rich assholes...

The thought process the pope is using isn't "Fuck women!" but "Don't kill people!"

The Bible is pretty black and white on the topic of killing people, regardless of what certain groups of Protestants think. Liberal pro-choice Catholics merely disagree with the official stance on what constitutes something you can "kill" versus a "medical condition."

Christians are supposed to follow that 10 Commandments thing, which the Catholic version of the Bible says "thou shalt not kill," as opposed to "thou shalt not murder, unless you feel like it, it involves minorities..." apparently listed in other Bibles.

That's the problem with me: I can recognize why different groups of people have different beliefs than me. I understand where they come from. Frankly, I respect Catholics who are against the whole death thing all the time a hell of a lot more than some redneck who lynches black people and executes prisoners but whines about how evil abortion is.

DISCLAIMER (because even though I said above my beliefs are different, my words will be taken as an affirmation of support): I feel abortion isn't for me -- as a man, I feel it may be an unnecessary procedure -- but I'm not going to damn anyone for it -- and I oppose probing, violent videos, heartbeat hearing or other requirements. I realize, even if I opposed it, it's going to happen. I'd rather have it done safely by a trained professional than via an Internet article with a coat hanger (I read and saw The Cider House Rules early on in my life).

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
23. And yet the Church used to burn 'heretics' at the stake and the Bible lists dozens of 'sins' for
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:06 PM
Jan 2014

which death is the ascribed punishment right after it says 'don't kill' and the God of that book calls for massive death by war to enemies of his side. How is that 'black and white'? One is supposed to kill one's bratty kid, one's neighbor for sewing the wrong crop, gay people, adulterous women, people who are of another faith. The list of stoning offenses in the OT is long, long, long. 10 Commandments, OT.
I assume you are against equality for gay people but disagree with the Bible that we should be killed?

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
51. I did not say the pope said to kill gay people. That's so damn rude. But I was rude first.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:00 PM
Jan 2014

The Old Testament, home of the 10 Commandments, lists dozens of capital offenses and is filled with God ordering brutal war and mass killing in spite of the Commandment. So to claim there is a very clear 'no killing' thing being taught is not accurate, nor is it accurate to claim the Church has avoided killing it's enemies. They burned people to death, among other things. So that 'black and white' no killing thing is not so black and white, and as an excuse for opposing choice it is shaky indeed.
That's what I said, while I did not say what you claimed, at all. So let's call it a draw and move on. I should not have been rude to you either.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
67. He doesn't remove Cardinals that do call for it.
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:00 PM
Jan 2014

Until then, your pope worship shows how fucked up your priorities are.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
24. I just want him to keep his archaic and harmful rules within his church and stay the FUCK
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:09 PM
Jan 2014

out of public policy.



 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
25. Don't any of them realize it is necessary at times?
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:13 PM
Jan 2014

I wish they would STFU about abortion, since none of them can experience what one is like. They just continually embarrass my gender with their ignorant words.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
27. Anyone who thought that this Pope would 180 on every bad Church policy is a fool
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:15 PM
Jan 2014

He's done and said some good things but things in the Catholic Church are not going to turn overnight. He's a step in the right direction not a leap.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
29. What's the Amazing Randi say about Pope Francis, SidDithers?
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:18 PM
Jan 2014

Does he mention redistributing wealth? Justice? Democracy?

Or is he just another old man who tells people what they should and shouldn't do?

http://67.228.115.45/showthread.php?p=9118971

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
31. Since Randi is gay, he probably doesn't think much of him...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 03:26 PM
Jan 2014

I'm not sure, tho. Why don't you send him a note and ask him?

What does Pope Photo-Op think about JFK nuttery and crop circles, octafish?

Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
34. ...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:11 PM
Jan 2014


Is that what you were trying to do?

You were seriously try to equate what a magician / entertainer has to say, with a pronouncement from the fucking Pope?

Oh, octafish. You've outdone yourself this time. This has gone way, way beyond wildly entertaining and into epic territory.



Edit: not really sure what linking to a post about Henry Gordon has to do with whatever you're trying to say.

Sid

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
38. Why does my pointing out hypocrisy make you laugh?
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 04:31 PM
Jan 2014

It's interesting to discover how many people who post on DU also were posting on Amazing Randi.

The common denominator: Zero tolerance for others' opinions that disagree, whether the subject is religion or the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.

If you were open minded, a democratic attitude I might add, I wouldn't point this out. Perhaps you should write a letter to the Amazing Randi about this.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
41. Yes. Because you don't see it.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 05:06 PM
Jan 2014

Like when telling somebody to shut up, at least one person doesn't like it. It's funny that way.

PS: The emoticons are so you.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
45. Are you going to write to the Amazing Randi, too?
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:52 PM
Jan 2014

That would make sense, seeing how you two know and say the same things so often.



A coincidence, probably.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
46. Sure!
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:56 PM
Jan 2014

Is there something you want me to ask him since you are obviously too scared to?
Really, why are you afraid of Randi, Octafish?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
47. Gosh. I am afraid of no man, zappaman.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 07:25 PM
Jan 2014

Anyone who's read my journals on DU3 or DU2 can see that. Besides, were I some kind of a chicken hearted lily livered turd, I wouldn't go after the BFEE -- the War Party and its minions and hypocrites in the national security state -- or wonder about things that invite ridicule from the unknowing and the unaware, as well as from the devious and the vindictive, such as UFOs or crop circles, or other interesting and unexplained phenomena.

Even though they and their lackeys have access to the passwords, among other things, I've written about them. What's interesting, when considering the question of cowardice, is seeing that you never post anything critical of the warmongers and banksters of the BFEE on any thread I've started on DU. Nor do any turn up using the GOOGLE site search tool. Maybe not criticizing the warmongers and banksters of the BFEE is the smart thing to do in your book. That's not brave in mine.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
48. Yes
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 07:31 PM
Jan 2014

I'm sure the BFEE is shaking in their boots knowing you post all their secrets here on DU.
For that matter, I'm sure the aliens are equally afraid of you since you are exposing the mysterious world of crop circles.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
44. Well, it seems like he isn't covering up the raping of little boys...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 06:20 PM
Jan 2014

so I guess that's an improvement.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
53. The Pope is not married, not a woman and clearly, not an environmentalist.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:13 PM
Jan 2014

What is more, he is unrealistic about the earth's capacity to feed the population we would have if all fetus's made it to live.

God does not will all fetus's to live. The percentage of pregnancies that end in miscarriages proves that.

I wonder whether the Pope thinks that every married woman should mourn every menstrual cycle in which no child is conceived.


The Pope is completely out of touch on population issues.

The truth is that until the 1920s, many, many people even in Europe went to bed very hungry every night. The earth can only tolerate so many human beings. Apparently God wills it so. It is human, scientific efforts that have enabled us to feed as many of God's children on earth as we do.

If the Pope wants to continue to encourage overpopulation, he should fund a lot of research that concerns feeding all the hungry of the earth and providing for their other needs.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
55. Well, he is the pope.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jan 2014

I mean, sure he's been focusing on poverty and social justice, and that's welcomed.

The recent popes have tended to forget that part if their theology.

So it's not like he CHANGED the foundations of the church in doing that. Still, it's good to see. The church has plenty of influence around the world.

But I don't think we should be too surprised when this pope sounds like other popes on other topics.

I mean, he is the pope.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
58. Here's the full text of his address.
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:37 PM
Jan 2014

I highlighted the offending paragraph for you, Sid.

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/2848/full_text_pope_francis_new_years_address_to_vatican_diplomats.aspx#.UtcoG02A05t

Your Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen,

It is now a long-established tradition that at the beginning of each new year the Pope meets the Diplomatic Corps accredited to the Holy See to offer his greetings and good wishes, and to share some reflections close to his heart as a pastor concerned for the joys and sufferings of humanity. Today’s meeting, therefore, is a source of great joy. It allows me to extend to you and your families, and to the civil authorities and the peoples whom you represent, my heartfelt best wishes for a new year of blessings and peace. Before all else, I thank your Dean, Jean-Claude Michel, who has spoken in your name of the affection and esteem which binds your nations to the Apostolic See. I am happy to see you here in such great numbers, after having met you for the first time just a few days after my election. In the meantime, many new Ambassadors have taken up their duties and I welcome them once again. Among those who have left us, I cannot fail to mention the late Ambassador Alejandro Valladares Lanza, for many years the Dean of the Diplomatic Corps, whom the Lord called to himself several months ago.

The year just ended was particularly eventful, not only in the life of the Church but also in the context of the relations which the Holy See maintains with states and international organizations. I recall in particular the establishment of diplomatic relations with South Sudan, the signing of basic or specific accords with Cape Verde, Hungary, and Chad, and the ratification of the accord with Equatorial Guinea signed in 2012. On the regional level too, the presence of the Holy See has expanded, both in Central America, where it became an Extra-Regional Observer to the Sistema de la Integración Centroamericana, and in Africa, with its accreditation as the first Permanent Observer to the Economic Community of West African States. In my Message for the World Day of Peace, dedicated to fraternity as the foundation and pathway to peace, I observed that “fraternity is generally first learned within the family…”,(14) for the family “by its vocation… is meant to spread its love to the world around it”(15) and to contribute to the growth of that spirit of service and sharing which builds peace.(16) This is the message of the Crib, where we see the Holy Family, not alone and isolated from the world, but surrounded by shepherds and the Magi, that is by an open community in which there is room for everyone, poor and rich alike, those near and those afar. In this way we can appreciate the insistence of my beloved predecessor Benedict XVI that “the language of the family is a language of peace”.(17)

Sadly, this is often not the case, as the number of broken and troubled families is on the rise, not simply because of the weakening sense of belonging so typical of today’s world, but also because of the adverse conditions in which many families are forced to live, even to the point where they lack basic means of subsistence. There is a need for suitable policies aimed at supporting, assisting, and strengthening the family! It also happens that the elderly are looked upon as a burden, while young people lack clear prospects for their lives. Yet the elderly and the young are the hope of humanity. The elderly bring with them wisdom born of experience; the young open us to the future and prevent us from becoming self-absorbed.(18) It is prudent to keep the elderly from being ostracized from the life of society, so as to preserve the living memory of each people. It is likewise important to invest in the young through suitable initiatives which can help them to find employment and establish homes. We must not stifle their enthusiasm! I vividly recall my experience at the Twenty-Eighth World Youth Day in Rio de Janeiro. I met so many happy young people! What great hope and expectation is present in their eyes and in their prayers! What a great thirst for life and a desire for openness to others! Being closed and isolated always makes for a stifling, heavy atmosphere which sooner or later ends up creating sadness and oppression. What is needed instead is a shared commitment to favouring a culture of encounter, for only those able to reach out to others are capable of bearing fruit, creating bonds of communion, radiating joy and being peacemakers.

The scenes of destruction and death which we have witnessed in the past year confirm all this – if ever we needed such confirmation. How much pain and desperation are caused by self-centredness which gradually takes the form of envy, selfishness, competition and the thirst for power and money! At times it seems that these realities are destined to have the upper hand. Christmas, on the other hand, inspires in us Christians the certainty that the final, definitive word belongs to the Prince of Peace, who changes “swords into plowshares and spears into pruning hooks” (cf. Is 2:4), transforming selfishness into self-giving and revenge into forgiveness. It is with this confidence that I wish to look to the year ahead. I continue to be hopeful that the conflict in Syria will finally come to an end. Concern for that beloved people, and a desire to avert the worsening of violence, moved me last September to call for a day of fasting and prayer. Through you I heartily thank all those in your countries – public authorities and people of good will – who joined in this initiative. What is presently needed is a renewed political will to end the conflict. In this regard, I express my hope that the Geneva 2 Conference, to be held on 22 January, will mark the beginning of the desired peace process. At the same time, full respect for humanitarian law remains essential. It is unacceptable that unarmed civilians, especially children, become targets. I also encourage all parties to promote and ensure in every way possible the provision of urgently-needed aid to much of the population, without overlooking the praiseworthy effort of those countries – especially Lebanon and Jordan – which have generously welcomed to their territory numerous refugees from Syria.

Remaining in the Middle East, I note with concern the tensions affecting the region in various ways. I am particularly concerned by the ongoing political problems in Lebanon, where a climate of renewed cooperation between the different components of civil society and the political powers is essential for avoiding the further hostilities which would undermine the stability of the country. I think too of Egypt, with its need to regain social harmony, and Iraq, which struggles to attain the peace and stability for which it hopes. At the same time, I note with satisfaction the significant progress made in the dialogue between Iran and the Group of 5+1 on the nuclear issue. Everywhere, the way to resolve open questions must be that of diplomacy and dialogue. This is the royal road already indicated with utter clarity by Pope Benedict XV when he urged the leaders of the European nations to make “the moral force of law” prevail over the “material force of arms” in order to end that “needless carnage”(19) which was the First World War, whose centenary occurs this year. What is needed is courage “to go beyond the surface of the conflict”(20) and to consider others in their deepest dignity, so that unity will prevail over conflict and it will be “possible to build communion amid disagreement”.(2)1 In this regard, the resumption of peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians is a positive sign, and I express my hope that both parties will resolve, with the support of the international community, to take courageous decisions aimed at finding a just and lasting solution to a conflict which urgently needs to end. I myself intend to make a pilgrimage of peace to the Holy Land in the course of this year. The exodus of Christians from the Middle East and North Africa continues to be a source of concern. They want to continue to be a part of the social, political, and cultural life of countries which they helped to build, and they desire to contribute to the common good of societies where they wish to be fully accepted as agents of peace and reconciliation.

In other parts of Africa as well, Christians are called to give witness to God’s love and mercy. We must never cease to do good, even when it is difficult and demanding, and when we endure acts of intolerance if not genuine persecution. In vast areas of Nigeria violence persists, and much innocent blood continues to be spilt. I think above all of the Central African Republic, where much suffering has been caused as a result of the country’s tensions, which have frequently led to devastation and death. As I assure you of my prayers for the victims and the many refugees, forced to live in dire poverty, I express my hope that the concern of the international community will help to bring an end to violence, a return to the rule of law and guaranteed access to humanitarian aid, also in the remotest parts of the country. For her part, the Catholic Church will continue to assure her presence and cooperation, working generously to help people in every possible way and, above all, to rebuild a climate of reconciliation and of peace among all groups in society. Reconciliation and peace are likewise fundamental priorities in other parts of Africa. I think in particular of Mali, where we nonetheless note the promising restoration of the country’s democratic structures, and of South Sudan, where, on the contrary, political instability has lately led to many deaths and a new humanitarian crisis. The Holy See is also closely following events in Asia, where the Church desires to share the joys and hopes of all the peoples of that vast and noble continent. On this, the fiftieth anniversary of diplomatic relations with the Republic of Korea, I wish to implore from God the gift of reconciliation on the peninsula, and I trust that, for the good of all the Korean people, the interested parties will tirelessly seek out points of agreement and possible solutions. Asia, in fact, has a long history of peaceful coexistence between its different civil, ethnic and religious groups. Such reciprocal respect needs to be encouraged, especially given certain troubling signs that it is weakening, particularly where growing attitudes of prejudice, for allegedly religious reasons, are tending to deprive Christians of their liberties and to jeopardize civil coexistence. The Holy See looks, instead, with lively hope to the signs of openness coming from countries of great religious and cultural traditions, with whom it wishes to cooperate in the pursuit of the common good.

Peace is also threatened by every denial of human dignity, firstly the lack of access to adequate nutrition. We cannot be indifferent to those suffering from hunger, especially children, when we think of how much food is wasted every day in many parts of the world immersed in what I have often termed “the throwaway culture”. Unfortunately, what is thrown away is not only food and dispensable objects, but often human beings themselves, who are discarded as “unnecessary”. For example, it is frightful even to think there are children, victims of abortion, who will never see the light of day; children being used as soldiers, abused and killed in armed conflicts; and children being bought and sold in that terrible form of modern slavery which is human trafficking, which is a crime against humanity. Nor can we be unmoved by the tragedies which have forced so many people to flee from famine, violence and oppression, particularly in the Horn of Africa and in the Great Lakes Region. Many of these are living as fugitives or refugees in camps where they are no longer seen as persons but as nameless statistics. Others, in the hope of a better life, have undertaken perilous journeys which not infrequently end in tragedy. I think in particular of the many migrants from Latin America bound for the United States, but above all of all those from Africa and the Middle East who seek refuge in Europe.


Still vivid in my memory is the brief visit I made to Lampedusa last July, to pray for the numerous victims of the refugee crisis in the Mediterranean. Sadly, there is a general indifference in the face of these tragedies, which is a dramatic sign of the loss of that “sense of responsibility for our brothers and sisters”,(22) on which every civil society is based. On that occasion I was also able to observe the hospitality and dedication shown by so many people. It is my hope that the Italian people, whom I regard with affection, not least for the common roots which unite us, will renew their praiseworthy commitment of solidarity towards the weakest and most vulnerable, and, with generous and coordinated efforts by citizens and institutions, overcome present difficulties and regain their long-standing climate of constructive social creativity. Finally, I wish to mention another threat to peace, which arises from the greedy exploitation of environmental resources. Even if “nature is at our disposition”,(23) all too often we do not “respect it or consider it a gracious gift which we must care for and set at the service of our brothers and sisters, including future generations”.(24) Here too what is crucial is responsibility on the part of all in pursuing, in a spirit of fraternity, policies respectful of this earth which is our common home. I recall a popular saying: “God always forgives, we sometimes forgive, but when nature – creation – is mistreated, she never forgives!” We have also witnessed the devastating effects of several recent natural disasters. In particular, I would mention once more the numerous victims and the great devastation caused in the Philippines and other countries of Southeast Asia as a result of typhoon Haiyan.

Your Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen, Pope Paul VI noted that peace “is not simply the absence of warfare, based on a precarious balance of power; it is fashioned by efforts directed day after day towards the establishment of an order willed by God, with a more perfect justice among men and women”.(25) This is the spirit which guides the Church’s activity throughout the world, carried out by priests, missionaries and lay faithful who with great dedication give freely of themselves, not least in a variety of educational, healthcare and social welfare institutions, in service to the poor, the sick, orphans and all those in need of help and comfort. On the basis of this “loving attentiveness” (26) the Church cooperates with all institutions concerned for the good of individuals and communities.

At the beginning of this new year, then, I assure you once more of the readiness of the Holy See, and of the Secretariat of State in particular, to cooperate with your countries in fostering those bonds of fraternity which are a reflection of God’s love and the basis of concord and peace. Upon you, your families and the peoples you represent, may the Lord’s blessings descend in abundance. Thank you.

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63. He can call it
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jan 2014

whatever he wants.
When the smoke clears...the WOMAN has the final say. And THAT'S the real issue...people like him have NO control over that, and it drives them bat-shit.

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