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applegrove

(118,793 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 07:08 PM Jan 2014

"Elizabeth Warren's New Bill Could Save Taxpayers Billions"

Elizabeth Warren's New Bill Could Save Taxpayers Billions

By Erika Eichelberger at Mother Jones

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/01/elizabeth-warrens-new-bill-could-save-taxpayers-billions

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Last week, Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) introduced a bill with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) that aims to make government settlements with corporations more transparent and fair. It could end up saving taxpayers billions of dollars.

When banks and other corporations are accused of breaking the law, the government often settles cases instead of going to trial. In the wake of the financial crisis, for example, the Department of Justice (DOJ) and government banking watchdogs have settled cases against banks that helped tank the economy. Regulatory agencies have argued that settlements are adequate tools to enforce the law, but Warren has protested. She notes that many settlements are tax-deductible. Other deals are confidential, meaning the public has no idea whether the terms of the agreement are fair.

Warren's bill would discourage tax-deductible settlements by forcing federal agencies to explain why certain settlements are confidential, and to publicly disclose the terms of nonconfidential agreements so that taxpayers can see how much settlement tax-deductibility is costing them.





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"Elizabeth Warren's New Bill Could Save Taxpayers Billions" (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2014 OP
Don't you wish all congress-critters fought this hard for you? Scuba Jan 2014 #1
A giant Hell Yes! This would be another world! Phlem Jan 2014 #9
If that happened it certainly would elevate this country. avaistheone1 Jan 2014 #25
I Heard The Other Day For The First Time That These Big Settlements Are Tax Deductible...... global1 Jan 2014 #2
I love EW too, and agree, it simply is not enough. Why are they offered anything deductible? mother earth Jan 2014 #3
It's deductible because it's a business related expense TexasBushwhacker Jan 2014 #6
Yes. Including jail time. merrily Jan 2014 #13
I agree. Until these executives start doing jail time TexasBushwhacker Jan 2014 #19
Yep merrily Jan 2014 #20
Wasn't there some sort of legislation about profiting from criminal activity? Half-Century Man Jan 2014 #10
Lizzy Warren had an axe, MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #4
Perfect! polichick Jan 2014 #8
DUzy! riqster Jan 2014 #24
Exactly! ctsnowman Jan 2014 #29
Can she put a "hold" on the TPP? I would love it if she did. Vincardog Jan 2014 #5
My guess is not MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #17
The petition is current and it is not Sen. Elizabeth Warren Progressive dog Jan 2014 #27
Go Sen.Warren. 99Forever Jan 2014 #7
All right! merrily Jan 2014 #11
Yes. I was cautious at first. She seems to be a new FDR. Cutting through the bullshit of the applegrove Jan 2014 #12
I will have to think more before I can fully appreciate the FDR comparison, but merrily Jan 2014 #15
Those tax and spend liberals at it again! JaneyVee Jan 2014 #14
I know you are joking, but, merrily Jan 2014 #16
I know. It must be so g-damn easy to be a Republican. Just take the JaneyVee Jan 2014 #18
Ya gotta love the way annabanana Jan 2014 #21
Recommended X 1000! Enthusiast Jan 2014 #22
HUGE K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #23
Coburn sponsored this? wryter2000 Jan 2014 #26
Yes, once they're on their way out the door bucolic_frolic Jan 2014 #28

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
9. A giant Hell Yes! This would be another world!
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jan 2014

seems like the only way to fight back is by vote and a few good senators.



-p

global1

(25,270 posts)
2. I Heard The Other Day For The First Time That These Big Settlements Are Tax Deductible......
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 07:32 PM
Jan 2014

Bottom line they really don't hurt the company as they just deduct it and it's us taxpayers that wind up screwed.

I like that Warren wants to discourage tax deductible settlements - but she should go further and they should be totally not allowed at all.

Then these companies would think twice about what they do and they would have to pay the consequences if they stepped out of line and incurred a fine or settlement.

Maybe it would hurt some of these offending companies so much that they would be forced out of business - going belly up. That way they would almost self regulate as the companies that cause the most damage would be out of business and not around to continue to offend.

I wonder what that would do to competition as well? Wouldn't it be great that such companies would have to market themselves as never incurring a fine. We run our business within the laws - not like our competitors.

We need to put the offending companies out of business. It will be good for all of us.

mother earth

(6,002 posts)
3. I love EW too, and agree, it simply is not enough. Why are they offered anything deductible?
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 07:54 PM
Jan 2014

Hell, the deduction actually encourages continued screwing over... oopsie, another tax deduction. It boggles the mind, I too had no idea these penalties were tax deductible. That's incentive, not punitive by any stretch of the imagination.


TexasBushwhacker

(20,215 posts)
6. It's deductible because it's a business related expense
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 08:44 PM
Jan 2014

The thing is, the penalties are against corporations but the decision makers in those corporations walk away scott free. It seems to me that the punishment should be against the corporation AND the executives responsible.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,215 posts)
19. I agree. Until these executives start doing jail time
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 10:16 PM
Jan 2014

and having their personal assets seized, they are going to keep playing the odds that they won't get caught.

While they're at it, they need to pass a financial transaction tax. Other countries have them and it seems only fair that Wall Street and the big banks should pre-fund their next bailout, because you know their is going to be another bailout. We had one until 1966. I don't know why they got rid of it. I know some bills have been proposed, but none have been passed.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
20. Yep
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 10:31 PM
Jan 2014
I don't know why they got rid of it.


They got rid of it for the same reason they let corporations off so easily and rarely go against the officers and directors at all. It's the plutocrat's world. We're just living in it and funding it with our tax payments

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
10. Wasn't there some sort of legislation about profiting from criminal activity?
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 08:58 PM
Jan 2014

Make the entire management of financial institutions forfeit all compensation when they break the law. Make the entire management libel to discourage ambivalence.

What about asset seizure?

Instead of a one time, tax deductible, fine. What about 85% tax rates for X years as a sentence? What about a suspension of tax exemptions or deductions for all corporate officers, contractors, and corporate partners (companies owned by criminal organization/ Members of any "board of directors"/ affiliated PACs)?

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
4. Lizzy Warren had an axe,
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 08:07 PM
Jan 2014

Gave the bankers forty whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave "free" traders forty one

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
17. My guess is not
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:36 PM
Jan 2014

But it wouldn't shock me. She was one of only 4 senators, Republican or Democratic, to oppose Obama's nominee for Trade Representative, in large part because he told her he'd continue to keep negotiations a secret from the public:



She also had a petition to stop fast-track status for treaties, i think it got passed anyway:

http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/congress-dont-renew-fast?source=s.fwd&r_by=9499144

Progressive dog

(6,918 posts)
27. The petition is current and it is not Sen. Elizabeth Warren
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 05:52 PM
Jan 2014
Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts, (who happens to share my name!)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
11. All right!
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:20 PM
Jan 2014

I have been holding back some on Senator Warren, exercising more skepticism and more "show me" than I have tended to do in the past. I was determined not to fall for talk alone, be it campaign speeches, or questioning during a Senate hearing. But, more and more, she has "shown me." All along I secretly hoped she would.

applegrove

(118,793 posts)
12. Yes. I was cautious at first. She seems to be a new FDR. Cutting through the bullshit of the
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:22 PM
Jan 2014

powerful interests in the interest of everday people.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
15. I will have to think more before I can fully appreciate the FDR comparison, but
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:29 PM
Jan 2014

I think she was smart to partner with Coburn on this--he's willing to take risks at this point--and it's certainly more than "just words."

merrily

(45,251 posts)
16. I know you are joking, but,
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:33 PM
Jan 2014

sometimes, I envy the freedom Republicans have to ignore facts and history.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
18. I know. It must be so g-damn easy to be a Republican. Just take the
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 09:46 PM
Jan 2014

Asshole side of any debate.

bucolic_frolic

(43,302 posts)
28. Yes, once they're on their way out the door
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 06:07 PM
Jan 2014

they don't need to hold the corporate line as tightly for the campaign contributions

I'll give him this: Coburn's always against spending

But tax deductibility of fines and penalties should be
not just transparent, but ended, kaput, finis, illegal!

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