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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 05:09 PM Jan 2014

Feinstein: Metadata Program Here To Stay

Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) predicted Sunday that lawmakers who favored shutting down the bulk collection of telephone metadata would not be successful in their efforts as Congress weighs potential reforms to the nation’s controversial intelligence programs.

“I don’t believe so,” Feinstein said during an appearance on NBC's “Meet the Press.” “The president has very clearly said that he wants to keep the capability… So I think we would agree with him. I know a dominant majority of the — everybody, virtually, except two or three, on the Senate Intelligence Committee would agree with that.”

On Friday, the president announced a series of modest reforms to the top-secret surveillance programs, including a new requirement mandating intelligence agencies obtain judicial approval before reviewing databases of information about telephone calls.

He also ordered members of his administration to figure out a way to end the federal collection of the phone records, with the data instead likely to be held by telephone companies or a third party.

Feinstein conceded that requirement could prove “a very difficult thing” to work out logistically, because without a centralized database, the efficacy of searches could be eroded.

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valley/technology/195899-feinstein-metadata-program-here-to-stay#ixzz2qsg3JSql

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Feinstein: Metadata Program Here To Stay (Original Post) Purveyor Jan 2014 OP
In that case, there are numerous "representatives" that need to go 1000words Jan 2014 #1
Luckily Diane Feinstein (D-WarMachine) isn't. Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #2
Metaldata's weakest link is rogue employees who authorize themselves as owners of the data Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #3
When did it work? MannyGoldstein Jan 2014 #4
As reported this information is not shared with American public and will not be shared. Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #5
Lol! Trust us! neverforget Jan 2014 #11
Imagine Edward Snowden getting the information, oh, we know what happens, he steals the Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #19
I guess that's one way to rationalize the NSA spying. neverforget Jan 2014 #22
Do you have a better idea then present it. Technology improves everyday and NSA Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #24
Who pays for the NSA? We, the owners of the country? Or, the MIC and politicians? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2014 #6
Four levels of approval are needed to view the metadata. randome Jan 2014 #13
Interesting, he said he could sit at his workplace and get on any phone line and wiretap it, Thinkingabout Jan 2014 #18
Of course he lied. If he could do what he said, why not give us proof? randome Jan 2014 #20
Right, until it is changed. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #7
Dianne Feinstein, (D-Fascist) woo me with science Jan 2014 #8
Totalitarian, does not deserve to be a citizen of "the land of the free" PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #9
"the efficacy of searches could be eroded. " bobduca Jan 2014 #10
DiFi....she never fails to disappoint...but then, KoKo Jan 2014 #12
THey will do whatever they have the capability to do. With or without legal permission. Pisces Jan 2014 #14
Good. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2014 #15
NSA seems to have overlooked the obvious ConcernedCanuk Jan 2014 #16
She's probably right. It will probably continue. MineralMan Jan 2014 #17
it will all continue Skip Intro Jan 2014 #23
shes a tool of the 1% frwrfpos Jan 2014 #21

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
3. Metaldata's weakest link is rogue employees who authorize themselves as owners of the data
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 05:16 PM
Jan 2014

And move the data to be used for purposes it was never intended to be used. The story becomes clear day by day, thanks to those in charge who knows why the NSA program works for holding strong.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. As reported this information is not shared with American public and will not be shared.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 05:53 PM
Jan 2014

After all this is our security departments at work.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
19. Imagine Edward Snowden getting the information, oh, we know what happens, he steals the
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:41 PM
Jan 2014

Files and delivers them to a foreign source. What if it was a rogue provider employee? We don't hear of many if those cases do we?

BTW, Christie had the power to request wiretaps, it was in his job as prosecutor. Did Snowden have wiretap privileges in his job, see there is a difference. Christie did not steal files from the NSA and deliver them to foreign sources.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
24. Do you have a better idea then present it. Technology improves everyday and NSA
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 09:41 AM
Jan 2014

Would welcome a better mouse trap.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
13. Four levels of approval are needed to view the metadata.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:54 AM
Jan 2014

So fears of 'rogue employees' are remote. As evidence of that, recall that Snowden was unable to get at any of the personal data. All he stole were internal NSA documents.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
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Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
18. Interesting, he said he could sit at his workplace and get on any phone line and wiretap it,
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:37 PM
Jan 2014

do you think he lied when he said this or is he lying later.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
20. Of course he lied. If he could do what he said, why not give us proof?
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:43 PM
Jan 2014

I don't think he had any nefarious motives such as spying for Russia. I think he was just an isolated loner who couldn't see things outside his own head. He never finished anything in life, including high school, so he fits that kind of profile, IMO.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
9. Totalitarian, does not deserve to be a citizen of "the land of the free"
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 02:11 AM
Jan 2014

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

bobduca

(1,763 posts)
10. "the efficacy of searches could be eroded. "
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 02:58 AM
Jan 2014

That's the point you military industrial complex parasite. (My Senator!)

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
12. DiFi....she never fails to disappoint...but then,
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:48 AM
Jan 2014

her "connections and benefits" are what drive her...not the good of the country and the freedom of the people.

Pisces

(5,602 posts)
14. THey will do whatever they have the capability to do. With or without legal permission.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:54 AM
Jan 2014

The public just needs some outrage and they will swallow the sugar pill that tightening is happening etc, etc.
Meanwhile it is business as usual because this is how the US stays ahead of other countries and
protects us. Whatever evercise they go through in the media, courts etc. is just a nice show for the people.
It's called the Placebo Effect.

There are so many smart people on this board that know what I am talking about. Governments have been spying since they could drill holes in walls. The technology has allowed for a lot more than we could ever imagine. Privacy is an illusion that we will never have again.



Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
15. Good.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jan 2014

Now I would like to do a metadata search for the term "lucrative-government-contract"

Any guesses on what will show-up?

 

ConcernedCanuk

(13,509 posts)
16. NSA seems to have overlooked the obvious
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 10:59 AM
Jan 2014

.
.
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There are lots of "geeks" hackers" "nerds" or whatever you want to call them that can amass data on the NSA/MIC/PNAC et al,

and not shy to share it.

This global spying is gonna backfire on the 1%

bigtime.

soon.

CC

MineralMan

(146,336 posts)
17. She's probably right. It will probably continue.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 11:00 AM
Jan 2014

Some additional restrictions may well be applied to it, but collecting that kind of intelligence is what NSA does. A lot of people were surprised at the actual capability, and a lot of people became worried that the NSA might be following their own communications. A lot of people were outraged at that idea.

There will probably be changes, but the NSA will, no doubt, continue to collect signals intelligence. I can't imagine that will stop.

Skip Intro

(19,768 posts)
23. it will all continue
Tue Jan 21, 2014, 01:34 AM
Jan 2014

either legally or with some super-secret status, which did exist, with politicians suddenly concerned when it is exposed, suddenly eager to fix things - what a show. I can't believe anyone could be fooled by it.

The tech exists, the structure exists, we created it, and it will be used.

It hasn't ceased being used.

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