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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm not generally in favor of "banning" stuff, but maybe Carl's Jr. went a bit too far (maybe NSFW)
This ad was supposedly Carl's Jr. entry into the Super Bowl ad blitz. It sure is something to look at, but the tv people banned it for being too "hot." I think "hot" was the point. Maybe a little selective editing would tone it down a bit, but it does seem a bit overly sexual for selling a stupid panty melt. Er, patty melt.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)crusader who was also highly homophobic. He was a local issue growing up. No one I knew would eat there.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Thanks for the info on the owner. I didn't know that, and I'll certainly ad them to my list of places to avoid at all cost. But that burger looks mighty good...for horrible fast food. I might make one at home out of ground turkey and our own jalepeños we grew over the summer.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Carl's paid for anti choice billboards in CA, lots of them, it was more than just 'he is opposed to choice' he was an activist. He's long dead but still touted and lauded by the company. The boycott is a permanent part of me, I think I'd get ill if I ate there.
Make your own! I've been baking my own buns recently, a serious elevation of turkey burger night.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)bastards.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)so that was a high point of his day--pointing out all of the star shapes in Carls Jr.
I literally do not have the energy to put every little shopping decision through a matrix of acceptability based on what the owner said or did at some point.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)attacks on clinics and the women attending them. Putting up horrific right wing billboards. With his name on them. So no 'matrix of acceptability' was required of me, it was local, obvious, in your face. He was also an aggressively anti gay activist just when I was coming out. He was the enemy and he lived a mile away. I was raised a Democrat, he was a big Republican funder. Plenty of better burgers.
No one asked you to do anything. So do that which pleases you. As I said, Carl is dead, the company is no longer that which it was under him, although for me they are forever on the shit list, if you want to eat there, who gives a shit?
Carl would never have allowed the sexy commercials they have so his influence on the corporate culture is clearly next to nothing. He would have hated them. Which is why I like them. Carl was a big, giant, religious right Republican. A smug, nasty old so and so. But he's also dead and buried. But I'm still not eating there.
Schema Thing
(10,283 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)Some people get pretty uptight about what shows up on their work computers.
cali
(114,904 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)... I have concluded that it is 'too hot' for general audiences.
And ... I'm still not clear on what kind of sandwich she's eating; I guess i'll have to watch it again.
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)I do not want to see a video, nor eat, a plate full of lasagna while swimming.
This is a tad over the top.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:40 PM - Edit history (1)
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)Brickbat
(19,339 posts)It's working.
Of course, I found it on FB. It'll probably have a million hits long before the Super Bong even airs.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)to the date on the video.
Tuesday Afternoon
(56,912 posts)bpositive
(423 posts)I suddenly got an urge to have a patty melt
Kidding aside, this might be a tough one to explain to my nine year old twins or even for my 14 year old.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)bpositive
(423 posts)Can come from this commercial- I can see it now, wife pissed (honey I was just admiring the buns and the hot and juicy peppers), kids confused (dad- why is she sweating so much and taking off her clothes)
redqueen
(115,103 posts)You get to sit there and be entertained by the image of an objectified woman. A woman turned into a sex object to hawk burgers.
You get to have a laugh at your wife's negative reaction to your enjoying the displaying of caricaturized sexuality.
You get to chuckle at your own kids being conditioned. A daughter learns how acceptable it is that women's bodies and sexuality are caricatured and commodified. I'm sure that's a pleasant lesson. A son learns that this is just one manifestation of the many forms of male privilege that he inherits and can enjoy, if he wants.
Yes, let's all have a good chuckle at how amusing the issues of sexual objectification, dehumanization, indoctrination, and male privilege are.
Certainly wouldn't expect this to be taken seriously here. Oh, no.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)It's her body, her choice.
R B Garr
(16,995 posts)That much is obvious. The ad was made for the millions of viewers who are in front of their TV. They don't control the programming.
NobodyHere
(2,810 posts)It's called "changing the channel"
R B Garr
(16,995 posts)But my post was in response to women being willing participants in this ad. There was only one woman in the ad, and I would bet she was paid for her appearance. Those women who are unable to change the channel to avoid it didn't get to decide the programming.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)tridim
(45,358 posts)Why aren't vibrator commercials that hot?
jmowreader
(50,567 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)I saw her with six White Castles the other day!
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)those 6 little slyders were their offspring
OregonBlue
(7,755 posts)who would want to eat there after watching that? Total turn off and consequently, I have never eaten there.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)The fact that some are comfortable sharing their appreciation for it on DU is both disappointing and revealing.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)respond to it as an issue of sex or prudery (or even sandwiches) rather than objectification.
This is NOT a sexy ad, it's a cartoonish one. The corporate media have convinced lots of young males that this is sexy.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)It is a caricaturization of female sexuality.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)You had the whole Swiffer ad campaign with women breaking up with brooms.
Now, they're sweating over a burger?
The ironically funny thing about this cartoonish ad is that a lot of women are very health conscious (studies indicate that, in any case) and wouldn't touch that burger - or any fast food burger - with a 10-foot pole.
And, if they did, they probably wouldn't look that for long - you know, minus all the air-brushing, surgical "enhancements" and wardrobe props.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)There's an ad with a guy similar to this too. Not a sexy guy depicting a cartoon version of male sexuality, but an average looking guy, talking sexy to a burger in some Wendy's ads.
Are there any ads with hot-n-sexxxy, speedo-clad men writhing around?
Shandris
(3,447 posts)...the hot-guy-in-Speedos commercial came on. Maybe a little mechanical drone fly, so I could make some recordings and patch it together for an after-Super Bowl commercial about "Do you see the difference now?".
Atman
(31,464 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)The best parody ad ever, but you don't see real commercials like that. There are a few cutesy commercials using men now which are nowhere near as bad as the ad in the OP, and even in this skit, the men are not writhing around.
Your having to go back over two decades, to a parody of reality, to use it as an example only reinforces how bad things are.
Atman
(31,464 posts)Good grief. The funny thing is, you can find several ads on YouTube featuring "sexy men" (but wait, I thought that was objectifying?), but when you have beautiful men "writhing around," they simply look gay, and that doesn't do much for the advertiser unless they're looking to attract other gay males. I think Carl's Jr. is well aware that no woman (at not one trying to maintain a certain level of fitness) is going to touch that massive greaseburger. Something tells me this ad was not geared towards women, though.
ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)You should be ashamed.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)I could go through your post and describe how these things should make us question this kind of depiction of women and women's sexuality. I just don't have the energy.
I'll just share these for anyone who actually cares about this issue.
Atman
(31,464 posts)It would be okay to use sexy men? As I said, I found several such ads...selling men's underwear to apparently gay men. Or men's cologne, to apparently gay men. Then you have the Gevalia coffee ads with women swooning over a man's coffee, and of course the old Fabio fake-butter (man-butter?) ads.
Not every woman featured in an ad is Photoshopped to hell. Although these days, Photoshop is so easy (and cheap) that it is something most advertisers have taken to. I used to shoot catalogs and ads for a major women's clothing chain, and the models we used would never be caught dead wearing the "ready-to-wear" crap we sold at malls across the country. And we never re-touched photos, other than color corrections or minor blemish removals done by the printer. And the models still looked great.
If you wanted to, you could make the argument that when Walmart started using their "real employees" in sales flyers, this was the ultimate in objectification. Here they used "normal" people -- not ideal weight, no super-model looks -- to tell everyone else it was okay to look "normal," which is fine. But Walmart's REAL motivation was to avoid paying real models, and further line the Walton's pockets. And put another segment of the population out of work. Models are very expensive. So Walmart used its employees virtually for free, who were thrilled to see themselves in print with their name and store # listed. THAT is objectification and exploitation.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Atman
(31,464 posts)We've all been down this road with you before.
Buh-buh. I'm going out for a burger.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)You're minimizing it by comparing it to fucking Walmart ads and comedy skits.
I said before that there are a handful of examples of commercials featuring sexy men. That you have to ask about whether men can be objectified shows you've done zero reading about the issue.
It's great that you don't give a shit and all, but why advertise it by posting this old ad and basically mocking this serious feminist issue?
snooper2
(30,151 posts)LOL
You like this ad? The announcer lady does
From SuperBowl 2013
muriel_volestrangler
(101,390 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)And neither one writhing around in a speedo.
Are you sure you're not trying to make my point for me?
muriel_volestrangler
(101,390 posts)It's not as if the video in the OP features a woman in any form of swimsuit. Are speedos the only form of male sexiness that you'll accept?
Yes, one in 94, and one 19 years later - so, before and after the one in the OP you're concerned about.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Mea culpa, I was thinking of the Paris Hilton ad.
So, anyway, was there any writhing? Did he place the coke can between his legs and squirm? Did it show any close ups of his bulge? His ass? His face as he seductively licked drops off the can?
The fact is, men are simply not treated the same way.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Yes, she has an obsession.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)Come out, sock, tell us what you really think. Don't leave us wondering.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)Maybe you should report me if you think I'm violating the rules.
Or, are you just being coy?
Not every Noob that makes a comment that offends your pals is a sock-puppet.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)given your post count and age on the site. Doesn't prove anything of course, and my comment was not polite, but, neither was yours.
You have the same recourse.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)I snickered at a person I consider to be silly. That was in agreement with another poster, btw, one with more "authority" derived from their larger post-count and longevity.
As if that matters.
You called me a sock-puppet. That wasn't just rude, it's a call-out and a challenge. One that is frowned upon by the community. It's considered in bad taste to try to bully a "younger" poster based on post-count, isn't it?
You're correct, I do have recourse to alerting on your rude post, but I prefer letting it stand as a testimonial to your bad behavior.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You attacked that poster first. It was unwarranted and crude. Don't even bother trying to take the high road now. Nobody's buying it.
Feral Child
(2,086 posts)I didn't "attack" anyone. I agreed with another poster about the fixation of she-you-are-over-eager-to-defend.
Please note that the aggrieved party hasn't responded to my post; apparently, it wasn't as offensive as you'd like to believe.
A quick review of the thread discloses that you did not question the poster I responded to, did not inform her that the post I was agreeing with was ""unwarranted and crude". Interesting. You thought you could pick a fight with the Newbee, but were scared to call out a senior poster. Your reluctance is understandable. Misquoting Shakespeare by paraphrase is the mark of an inferior intellect. It's trite. I suspect Muriel has schooled you sharply in the past and your prose wasn't really up to the challenge.
Perhaps you could define your terms. In what way was my post "crude"? Describe my crudity with specificity, please.
I'll determine what's appropriate for me to post, thank you. I'd suggest you worry about the ethics of making unwarranted and crude accusations against a junior poster.
"Nobody's buying it". You've taken a survey, made a consensus; perhaps posted a poll, and that's why you feel confident in speaking for the entire community. Clearly, you're the spoke-person for DU, since "nobody" else has chosen to support your pillory.
This exchange is a waste of my time. Still, I suppose I can continue to bolster my post count with ripostes to your frantic scrambling to justify your call-out. Tell me, how many posts do you require before you treat a DUer with respect?
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)I altered the Shakespeare quote to fit the situation. For instance, I don't know your gender. (And I don't make it a habit of clicking on people's profiles) But you knew it was adapted on purpose, didn't you?
Obsession carries a negative connotation.
"Compulsive preoccupation with a fixed idea or an unwanted feeling or emotion, often accompanied by symptoms of anxiety.
A compulsive, often unreasonable idea or emotion."
It is ad hominem to hit Redqueen with that accusation. 'Obsession' also carries insinuation of mental disorder, which is blatantly against the rules, crude, and unwarranted. Plain and simple.
It is ALSO adhom for me to hit you with insinuation that you are a sockpuppet. In fact, I don't personally think you are a sockpuppet so much as you sound like a person returning to the site from a ban, with an axe to grind against Redqueen. That, or you make ridiculously snap judgments about such users. (And then insult them.) I am curious what, in your own words, could be your 'good faith' motive to insult Redqueen in the middle of a tit-for-tat between that poster and muriel?
You are correct, I didn't bother to respond to Muriel, because that poster was being highly disingenuous upthread anyway, and it is pointless.
Redqueen asked for examples of what for females is pervasive and common advertising. Got two examples, one two decades old and neither showing a similar sexual overtone. That's pretty disingenuous. When Redqueen rejected those examples for that obvious reason, the response is that he or she is 'obsessed' with side hurf durfery about the speedo, which CLEARLY was never the point. Lame, but I'm not going to waste my time on it. RQ obviously didn't either.
And you're doubling down insinuating 'fear' on my part, rather than general disgust with Muriel. I'm not afraid of ANY poster on this site.
"Tell me, how many posts do you require before you treat a DUer with respect?"
One post is sufficient, if you treat other posters with respect. You did not. You attacked. Calling someone obsessed about the speedo thing, when that wasn't even Redqueen's point, is not an attempt at honest dialogue. Your post was not worthy of respect and you damn well know it. You're free to scour my post history for similar behavior. I don't think I've EVER had cause to call out a low post count person, who wasn't subsequently MIRT'd via alert. (Not something your post warrants even clicking alert on, honestly.)
'Obsessed' 'frantic scrambling' 'scared' 'inferior intellect' blah. You're really good at slinging sideline insults, aren't you. You DO sound familiar. Just sayin'.
Edit: And yes, I also changed the ORDER of the quote, rather than just the gender. Tough shit. I hope it bothers you.
Atman
(31,464 posts)But it was part of a longer video about the myth of "objectifying" women. It was rather good, btw, showing how men are always treated as idiots "objects" in advertising, whereas people like redqueen would be screaming from the rooftops if women were shown in similar situations. We've had a billion of those threads, and she isn't going to listen anyway. Remember, she has already ruled that I don't know anything and therefore I am not qualified to have an opinion. At least one that is not strictly in line with hers.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)You would end up wearing more than you consumed, and if you weren't the owner of the car, the owner would kill you. It's offensively un-hygienic before you even GET to the rank sexism. And as the other thread covered, imagine a man going through the same motions in the ad. I don't think 'awkward' would cover it.
Who can guess why the setting of a drive-in was chosen? Anyone?
Number23
(24,544 posts)Kate Upton is exceptionally average looking to me. I see girls equally as pretty or much prettier than her on a daily basis. Her "appeal" seems to come from her apparent joy at being seen as absolutely nothing more than a sex object which is kind of sad.
When I opened up my Vanity Fair a few months ago and found this:
My first thought in all honesty was "eeewwww."
PasadenaTrudy
(3,998 posts)let the other guys know, "Yes! I like women! I'm not gay!"
redqueen
(115,103 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Even after watching the commercial I still don't want one.
hlthe2b
(102,419 posts)Tanuki
(14,924 posts)It must be bloody awful if it takes this much to make anyone actually want to buy it.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)It's not like she's naked or anything.
Big deal.
WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!11111111111
Atman
(31,464 posts)Huh? As I stated at the top of the thread, I don't think it is NSFW, either (except maybe for where young kids are sewing A&F t-shirts), but I was actually thinking about the employees. They know their workplace better than I do. Some obviously have a problem with it...why take the chance when it is easy enough to provide a heads-up? After all, I did say MAYBE NSFW.
Shoulders of Giants
(370 posts)that figure. In my opinion, that's the most offensive part of the commercial. That hamburger just looks gross. I can guarantee Kate Upton does not eat that burger on a regular basis. I hate it that the most unhealthy foods are the ones most heavily marketed.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)"...the most unhealthy foods are the ones most heavily marketed."
As a general rule I don't eat things that are advertised on TV (or anywhere really). I certainly don't buy the processed "food" that are in the ads/coupons of the Sunday papers. People clip those coupons and get to buy shitty food for .75 less! *sigh*
Julie
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)There is a mute button, an off switch and a channel selector on my remote. If I don't like what is on TV I use them.
GoneOffShore
(17,342 posts)That would be too easy.
Jazzgirl
(3,744 posts)FSogol
(45,555 posts)- FSogol
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Arcanetrance
(2,670 posts)It was a while ago so I can't even tell you what it tasted like
quinnox
(20,600 posts)They have been running commercials in this theme for years.
They actually have really good burgers when compared to most fast food chains out there.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)or the other, most of the time. I don't eat much fast food these days anyway, though I still get the urge from time to time. And you're absolutely right that Carl's burgers are better than most - though I can think of at least two small, local chains around me whose food is even better.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I should cut down, its embarrassing how often I eat fast food, to be honest.
Go Vols
(5,902 posts)Last edited Thu Jan 23, 2014, 09:56 AM - Edit history (1)
the hamburger is about the size of the girls head.It doesn't inspire me to go to Hardees and get one.
1000words
(7,051 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)while having sex -- after sex when i was a smoker i wanted a cigarette, but i stopped smoking in '83.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)for a good dinner -- then sometimes dancing -- it was the late 60s. sex came afterward.
i remember one of my boyfriends saying after we had a great meal "good food, good booze, and a good woman -- what more can a man ask for?"
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)GaYellowDawg
(4,449 posts)Like I'm supposed to instantly spring a hard-on and go dashing for the nearest Carl Jr's? I think it's a parody of that kind of advertising, but still. Tiresome.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)We are all here taking about the product.
It works.
R B Garr
(16,995 posts)the burger was just along for the ride.
In any event, the ad was banned, so only those searching YouTube videos that are now years old would be aware of it.
liberal N proud
(60,347 posts)I was talking about the peppers.
Get your mind out of the gutter.
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)What are they selling?
loudsue
(14,087 posts)You know. The usual.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Hmmmm yummy...
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)11 Bravo
(23,928 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)And fucking hell is it ever offensive.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)redqueen
(115,103 posts)is sure, candy is a nice gift and all, but getting a woman drunk is a much faster means to an end than 'wasting time' with such niceties.
Atman
(31,464 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)they have been doing this for a few years. Just noticed?
We make fun of those adds in this house. So this one takes it a tad over from what is the new normal for objectifying women.
Now that the Karcher family sold, after Carl Karcher passed, I expect Arby's and Carl's Jr to drop like a rock.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)She's hot, burger looks icky.
Mr.Bill
(24,334 posts)looks disgusting.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)If they are seen in a kitchen, it is sexist.
Seen doing laundry or taking care of kids? Sexist.
Seen in an office wearing a dress/makeup? Sexist.
Seen wearing something they look 'good' in? You are sexist for thinking they look good and are probably leering because you hate women.
This should be how all commercials look (just voice over your product):
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)them. A woman doing stuff in a kitchen is not problematic by itself, but only insofar as it arguably feeds into stereotypes about female gender roles. Likewise, it's not that there's anything inherently wrong with an attractive woman doing supposedly "sexy" stuff in an ad - it's how that feeds into unrealistic fantasy-images of the female body, compared to which the average woman (and man) doesn't have a prayer.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)3catwoman3
(24,072 posts)...BIT overly sexual? More than a bit, IMO. A lot more.
rug
(82,333 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)(consider me "guilty" don't necessarily want to see them combined in some bizarre fetishistic mini-orgy.
Throd
(7,208 posts)The advertisement features Terrell Owens without a shirt.
I'm going to take my 10 year old daughter with me because I think women are inferior, or something.
I'll let y'all know how it goes.
Throd
(7,208 posts)I'll stick with the Western Bacon Cheeseburger next time.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Cause that would be like a double western cheeseburger.
panader0
(25,816 posts)DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)i'll eat is mozzarella on pizza and i don't eat pizza that often.
begin_within
(21,551 posts)MadrasT
(7,237 posts)Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)and lacks any subtlety at all. The caption says it all. It might as well read, "In case the photo with the hot blonde woman with bright red lipstick and the large phallic object heading toward her mouth doesnt get you thinking blowjob, yes, its supposed to make you think BLOWJOB"
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)I'm as a big a fan of clever innuendo as anyone, but the visual imagery coupled with the name of the sandwich is ridiculous. It's like the ad was aimed at sixth-graders.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)WeekendWarrior
(1,437 posts)Hepburn
(21,054 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)kate is from the town I am posting from Melbourne florida
there are no hardee's (that is what carls is in florida) in Melbourne florida
the nearest is in palm bay the next town south
i find it amusing they hired a model who had no (or little) experience with the product
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)i had no idea i wrote something about the realist nature of the spot
its almost documentarian in its closeness to daily life!
i was at the drive in movies last night watching a lovely young woman in an angora sweater and a 50s convertible have relations with a burger and so i mistook it for real
back atcha and raise you a
Atman
(31,464 posts)One of my surfer buddies posted it to his FB page saying "Hey, look at what our local Super Model is doing!" We're pretty familiar with celebs around those parts. From the old days of Jim Morrison and Jeannie and the astronauts, to today with Kelly Slater and that guy who just got a new reality show on A&E (can't remember his name, after my time there).
I understand your point, but also agree that it really isn't relevant. It is simply her job. That's what models do.