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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust wondering if Jimmy Carter ever used a rah-rah military segment...
....in his SOTU speeches.
Anyone remember?
Carter is the most honest and least-owned of any recent presidents. That's why I'm asking.
malaise
(269,193 posts)at all. I thought it was more why America doesn't need any more wars.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)WhiteTara
(29,725 posts)maimed they must be released! 10 tours! That is a horror!
1000words
(7,051 posts)Oh, how far the Party has fallen.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Please.
1000words
(7,051 posts)I don't present them otherwise.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)1000words
(7,051 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Or maybe it was the "Go Away, We're Done With You" segment.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)for all US males born January 1, 1960 or later.
So I'm pretty sure it wasn't the "Go Away, We're Done With You" segment.
However, Carter wasn't chomping at the bit to use the military to solve problems.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)I don't think those on the left wouldn't have been too receptive. Plus, Vietnam era wounded soldiers were much greater in number, and in everyone's neighborhood. It's not like the current wars where there have been few casualties. I think the awareness level on wounded vets during and post Vietnam is ten times what it is now.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Jenoch
(7,720 posts)war injuries from Iraq and Afghanistan than there were shortly after the Vietnam war, at least based on the number of partisipants, because the medical care is so much better now. The men with severe injuries from the IEDs got faster and better treatment than they did in Vietnam.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)But then again we weren't drawing down from 2 major wars during his presidency, I suppose.
Beaverhausen
(24,472 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)instead of going along with the warmongering fucks that still parasite on death.
MADem
(135,425 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,584 posts)because the DOD & VA are part of the Executive Branch... so it's not a matter of "rah rah" but a matter of a President acknowledging every one of the departments and agencies managed by a President in a yearly summary narrative, while also providing a glimpse at the vision for goals and activities for the coming year.
So for Carter, an example from his 1981 (final) SOTU before Raygun was inaugurated -
This country and its leadership has a continuing and unique obligation to the men and women who served their nation in the armed forces and help maintain or restore peace in the world.
My commitment to veterans, as evidenced by my record, is characterized by a conscientious and consistent emphasis in these general areas:
First, we have worked to honor the Vietnam veteran. During my Administration, and under the leadership of VA Administrator Max Cleland, I was proud to lead our country in an overdue acknowledgement of our Nation's gratitude to the men and women who served their country during the bitter war in Southeast Asia. Their homecoming was deferred and seemed doomed to be ignored. Our country has matured in the last four years and at long last we were able to separate the war from the warrior and honor these veterans. But with our acknowledgement of their service goes an understanding that some Vietnam veterans have unique needs and problems.
My Administration was able to launch a long sought after psychological readjustment and outreach program, unprecedented in its popularity, sensitivity and success. This program must be continued. The Administration has also grappled with the difficult questions posed by some veterans who served in Southeast Asia and were exposed to potentially harmful substances, including the herbicide known as Agent Orange. We have launched scientific inquiries that should answer many veterans' questions about their health and should provide the basis for establishing sound compensation policy. We cannot rest until their concerns are dealt with in a sensitive, expeditious and compassionate fashion.
Second, we have focused the VA health care system in the needs of the service-connected disabled veteran. We initiated and are implementing the first reform of the VA vocational rehabilitation system since its inception in 1943. Also, my Administration was the first to seek a cost-of-living increase for the recipients of VA compensation every year. My last budget also makes such a request. The Administration also launched the Disabled Veterans Outreach Program in the Department of Labor which has successfully placed disabled veterans in jobs. Services provided by the VA health care system will be further targeted to the special needs of disabled veterans during the coming year.
Third, the VA health care system, the largest in the free world, has maintained its independence and high quality during my Administration. We have made the system more efficient and have therefore treated more veterans than ever before by concentrating on out-patient care and through modern management improvements. As the median age of the American veteran population increases, we must concentrate on further changes within the VA system to keep it independent and to serve as a model to the nation and to the world as a center for research, treatment and rehabilitation.
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.gov/documents/speeches/su81jec.phtml
And from the same transcript, this might set off head explosions -
For many years the Soviets have steadily increased their real defense spending, expanded their strategic forces, strengthened their forces in Europe and Asia, and enhanced their capability for projecting military force around the world directly or through the use of proxies. Afghanistan dramatizes the vastly increased military power of the Soviet Union.
The Soviet Union has built a war machine far beyond any reasonable requirements for their own defense and security. In contrast, our own defense spending declined in real terms every year from 1968 through 1976.
We have reversed this decline in our own effort. Every year since 1976 there has been a real increase in our defense spending, and our lead has encouraged increases by our allies. With the support of the Congress, we must and will make an even greater effort in the years ahead.
The Fiscal Year 1982 budget would increase funding authority for defense to more than $196 billion. This amount, together with a supplemental request for FY 1981 of about $6 billion, will more than meet my Administration's pledge for a sustained growth of 3 percent in real expenditures, and provides for 5 percent in program growth in FY 1982 and beyond.
The trends we mean to correct cannot be remedied overnight; we must be willing to see this program through. To ensure that we do so I am setting a growth rate for defense that we can sustain over the long haul.
The defense program I have proposed for the next five years will require some sacrifice, but sacrifice we can well afford.
The defense program emphasizes four areas:
It ensures that our strategic nuclear forces will be equivalent to those of the Soviet Union and that deterrence against nuclear war will be maintained;
It upgrades our forces so that the military balance between NATO and the Warsaw Pact will continue to deter the outbreak of war, conventional or nuclear, in Europe;
It provides us the ability to come quickly to the aid of friends and allies around the globe;
And it ensures that our Navy will continue to be the most powerful on the seas.
http://www.jimmycarterlibrary.gov/documents/speeches/su81jec.phtml
So one needs to avoid trying to manufacture a fantasy football-like government based on rusty memories of the past.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Wonder why the OP didn't think of that...
grasswire
(50,130 posts).....about the history of military references in SOTU speeches.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)El_Johns
(1,805 posts)Carter talks about military expenditures and vets' programs. He doesn't have a poster boy for that portion of the speech so far as I can tell.
Every president talks about the military in the sotu, but that wasn't what the OP was asking.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Some say that trend started with Reagan -- the trend to buff up the military.
Jimmy Carter didn't do it.
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)and the people were a bit squeamish about anything military at the time.....so that was then this is now..not to mention the fact that Jimmy had his own military career to support the case that he cared about the military ...no one would question that....it went without saying. But when you don't have that...you have to be more specific...more direct about it....thus "certain" people will read the lack of it as meaning the opposite...
BumRushDaShow
(129,584 posts)And not for "buff(ing) up the military", but highlighting various guests in the gallery. Tracked via "The American Presidency Project" established at UC Santa Barbara -
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/sou_gallery.php
This page on their site has some fascinating trivia about the SOTU - http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/sou.php
And most likely because in 1979, CSPAN was founded and the cameras were allowed to roll in the chamber, a conscious effort was made to take advantage of the visual framing opportunity. I expect that Carter's 1980 SOTU was the first that they were able to do live and visitors in the gallery have been featured by every President since.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Nothing to cheer in the second excerpt except that he is explicitly framing the spending as an effort to deter war.
FSogol
(45,530 posts)memories of the past."
Well said. Awesome post.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)Back in Carter and Reagan's day. They were still young enough to serve, so they were very much anti-war. Today they are anti-war when a Republican is in office.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)If you believe that the President has a hard on to go to more war (when he's actually reversed wars and is not on a diplomatic trail to avoid one with Iran - contrary to the MIC fucks that want it)
I think you need new glasses.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Your "imagineering" is taking over.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)or embarassment.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Geez.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)but one thing I can assure is that I am supportive of this Democratic President and yes, I do see Freepers and Cavers here all too often spewing the spew and leaking the ofal smelly leaks dragged in by some wagon smelling of bad tea.
I am glad that we can agree on something.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)And I really would appreciate not having this thread hijacked by a spitball fight.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)but I am free to say what I feel and think. so far, here under the guardian of be careful what you say.
If you regard it hurtful, maybe you can imagine what I may think why you chose those words.
cold and bitter.
Sounds to me like an attempted insult to one you know is a woman.
but of course I could be wrong. I was once wrong in 1983 and I certainly can be again.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I'm done with this nonsense.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)For women it's
frigid along with sexless and some prudes thrown in.
I'm done too! So glad you said it first.
Release!
G_j
(40,372 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)That just wasn't the time to experiment with Joint Operations.
The "lessons learned" from that sad debacle did form the basis for the "leaps and bounds" improvements we saw in interoperability in the subsequent decades.
He was a member of the Silent Service, too, when he was on acdu.
As Commander in Chief, he took responsibility for that disaster. Such an unfortunate event, so unnecessary.
As for "stand ups" at SOTU, that shit really started with Reagan. Presidents never did that crap with the First Lady in the Balcony before Saint Ronnie.
Also, when the President used to "address the nation," he'd give a five minute speech from his DESK at the White House, looking into the camera- not do the World Tour with the Friendly Audience cheering every other sentence. Ike, JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Ford and Carter (in his sweater) all used this tactic with some frequency. It has fallen out of fashion nowadays.
If you want to look at JC's speeches, they are available online. Go here, and scroll down.
Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)Content and substance are secondary.
justiceischeap
(14,040 posts)And a video from 1980
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/124054-1
President Jimmy Carter delivered his State of the Union address to the joint session of Congress. Topics included the Iran hostage situation, the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and energy independence.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Octafish
(55,745 posts)An actor, Ol' Geritol Monkeyskull knew how to use props better than anybody this side of Roger Ailes.