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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 02:55 PM Feb 2014

GOP Goes Ballistic Every Time Someone Tells The Truth About Them.

It never fails that when the truth about the GOP comes out and can be seen by the general public they go ballistic. They go into blitzkrieg counter attack so they can silence whoever offended them.

The problem is the messenger seems to always apologize for telling the truth or revealing how evil, racist and bigoted they are. Democrats seem to be the most afraid to criticize or offend GOP sensibilities. They are just about always apologizing or pulling punches when they are faced with inflamed outrage.

We have to learn to double down on them every time and get on the offensive about being offensive. One reason that we lose is we are not willing to use the verbal ball pean hammer between the eyes with scathing direct political rhetoric. It is almost always a case of parsing words so they are not offended.

What happens is the left and Dems or their allies look weak and ineffectual to the general public. And we let their phony outrage stop us from smashing these barbarians.

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GOP Goes Ballistic Every Time Someone Tells The Truth About Them. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Feb 2014 OP
they're all about branding, and the truth tarnishes their brand unblock Feb 2014 #1
... So they sue MurrayDelph Feb 2014 #3
rofl! unblock Feb 2014 #4
That's too good. svpadgham Feb 2014 #10
DUzy! calimary Feb 2014 #12
Exactly brutus smith Feb 2014 #2
Welcome to DU, brutus smith! calimary Feb 2014 #13
I agree, but think different situations require different tactics. With Christie, there's the issue okaawhatever Feb 2014 #5
You can be both civil and aggressive. Half-Century Man Feb 2014 #8
Well, with Congress I see your point. I was referring more to a one-on-one with Christie. Maybe I okaawhatever Feb 2014 #23
It works as either a "Point to Point" issue or a "Side to Side' issue Half-Century Man Feb 2014 #27
As soon as the Democrats get the upper hand, they feel apologetic. If they were a football team, the world wide wally Feb 2014 #6
It's ridiculous, isn't it?! The Media always distorts for the benefit of the political Right. blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #7
Faux outrage ladym55 Feb 2014 #9
The problem is the folding. Let them squeal like stuck pigs from now to Kingdom come. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #22
I agree ladym55 Feb 2014 #28
GOP Goes Ballistic Every Time Someone Tells The Truth About Them. The CCC Feb 2014 #11
Welcome to DU, The CCC! calimary Feb 2014 #20
SOP for the GOP benld74 Feb 2014 #14
Yes, the GOP has a well oiled machine to maintain the facade siligut Feb 2014 #15
I know what you mean. RoccoRyg Feb 2014 #16
Welcome to DU, RoccoRyg! calimary Feb 2014 #21
We still want to play by the rules libodem Feb 2014 #17
It makes you contemplate that maybe its on purpose LiberalLovinLug Feb 2014 #18
We need to be like Harry Truman: lastlib Feb 2014 #19
we need to challenge each and every bull shit prhase that comes from their lyin lips dembotoz Feb 2014 #24
I have several republican classmates and colleagues AndreaCG Feb 2014 #26
I offer my opponents a bargain: Brother Buzz Feb 2014 #25

calimary

(81,435 posts)
13. Welcome to DU, brutus smith!
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 05:22 PM
Feb 2014

Glad you're here! They can dish it out but they sure can't take it. And they prove that again and again and again. They're a whole bunch of one-trick ponies. Attack, attack, attack. And then attack some more. And - did I forget to point out that they're always on attack mode? And after they're through there, then they'll start attacking. That's all they've got. Bluster. Can't dazzle 'em with brilliance (WHAT brilliance????) so they opt for the baffle-'em-with-bullshit. And then go on the attack.

That's all they've got. A bunch of Johnny and Joanie One-Notes. Always on the offensive. I guess, maybe, because they simply ARE offensive?

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
5. I agree, but think different situations require different tactics. With Christie, there's the issue
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 04:25 PM
Feb 2014

of him being a bully. If the Dems get aggressive people will see Christie as acting in kind. When one party behaves civilly and the other responds aggressively it fortifies his image as a bully. I think the best way to fight Christie is with truth, details, data and facts presented in a professional non-partisan way. The far right will still think it's partisan, and they won't believe Christie is a bully, but all the people in the middle will respond to the truth and the facts. And like the famous movie line, Christie can't handle the truth.

with some of the other idiots in the Republican party, full frontal assault, don't back down, don't give up.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
8. You can be both civil and aggressive.
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 05:08 PM
Feb 2014

A very simple way to strike back and stop the insane demands is, counter negotiate in an equally amount. ie; When the House said they wanted to cut SNAP benefits by $39B, we should have suggested increasing SNAP by $39B. And when they freaked on national TV; we should have quietly, calmly explained that the idea of slowly starving children, the elderly, and most vulnerable citizens to death was repugnant to us. We would not be an accomplice to manslaughter (through callous indifference, take actions which likely to cause the deaths of others).
If they really felt the need to reduce SNAP benefits, they needed to suggest a realistic amount. That they needed to reduce the entirety of the farm bill at the same rate/amount, both subsidies and SNAP.

Work hard to present the public impression we were adults having to deal with unreasonable tantrum throwing children (which is the fact).

okaawhatever

(9,462 posts)
23. Well, with Congress I see your point. I was referring more to a one-on-one with Christie. Maybe I
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 07:17 PM
Feb 2014

misunderstood the original post.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
27. It works as either a "Point to Point" issue or a "Side to Side' issue
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 08:50 PM
Feb 2014

Each symptomatic incident is an example of the greater whole.

world wide wally

(21,753 posts)
6. As soon as the Democrats get the upper hand, they feel apologetic. If they were a football team, the
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 04:59 PM
Feb 2014

would let the other team get back in the game if they were leading by too many points. If they were boxers, they would let the other guy pound their face if they were winning.
I don't know how athletes like that ever make it to the Superbowl or win a world title with that approach.

On the other hand, Republicans will lie, cheat, and steal to get what they want. That's why they run the country in spite of Dems controlling the WH and the Senate.

One word…. Duuuhh

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
7. It's ridiculous, isn't it?! The Media always distorts for the benefit of the political Right.
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 05:03 PM
Feb 2014
"Liberal" media, my @ss!

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
9. Faux outrage
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 05:13 PM
Feb 2014

The right takes offense over things that really aren't offensive, and then the Dems buckle. The faux outrage deflects attention from whatever obnoxious and crappy policy the Rethugs are ramming through somewhere in the country.

The latest is Reince Priebus' faux outrage when MSNBC tweeted that some on the right would not handle the latest Cheeerios commercial with the biracial family. Newsflash, Reince. Many on the right went crazy over the FIRST biracial family commercial, so when MSNBC tweeted about the second commercial, they were likely spot on. But Reince went nuts, and wimpy MSNBC apologized.

In the meantime, the voices on the right say hateful, untrue, racist, and sexist things with great regularity. No apologies are forthcoming, or if there ARE apologies, they are of the "sorry you are so thin-skinned" variety.

The CCC

(463 posts)
11. GOP Goes Ballistic Every Time Someone Tells The Truth About Them.
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 05:18 PM
Feb 2014

There is no excuse to become offensive. It takes true skill to have the ability to tell someone go to HELL, and have them wanting to pack their bags.

calimary

(81,435 posts)
20. Welcome to DU, The CCC!
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 06:57 PM
Feb 2014

Good to have you with us! It reminds me of Bobbi Fiedler, an extremely ambitious loudmouth who had conniption fits every time somebody took her to task. Her response to a poke with a ping-pong paddle was to try to launch a nuclear bomb. DAYUM but she was combative. Obnoxiously so. She started with a successful run for the L.A. Unified School Board based on aggressive grassroots organizing against busing in schools, and used that as a springboard to get to Congress, but fortunately she didn't last. But CRIMINY she had a short fuse and thin skin - so thin it sometimes seemed she didn't have any skin at all. And she'd go global-thermo-nuclear at the least little challenge. SHEESH. What a grand-stander. Smack back with overkill every single damn time. She was ALWAYS spoiling for a fight. Just frickin' tiresome. Just like the GOP in general. And yes, predictably, she was a republi-CON, too. Took bigtime umbrage at the least little hangnail that she saw as some personal affront. Hell, she took damn near everything personally and threw fits, making sure cameras and microphones had been alerted and she'd make the local news. Just tiresome as hell. Frequently made me wish I had a cream pie to shmush in her face. Finally, wisely, and mercifully, California voters stopped her seemingly well-plotted political ascent when she tried to unseat then-Senator Alan Cranston, and told her to STFU and go away. You BET she had higher political aspirations! However, a little corruption mess on her part helped her skid to a stop and deflate in the GOP Senatorial primary like a leaky tire. And thankfully, she's never returned. Man, that one was long overdue! Good riddance to her and everybody like her!

siligut

(12,272 posts)
15. Yes, the GOP has a well oiled machine to maintain the facade
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 05:25 PM
Feb 2014

They are the party of the wealthy, but they have the resources so they can appear to be the party of everyone gullible, stupid or brainwashed enough to be unable to see through the ruse.

Raising a ruckus is one way to get in the last word when things go public. If Democrats step up the aggression? You better believe they have learned that the rethugs will match that step and take two more.

RoccoRyg

(260 posts)
16. I know what you mean.
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 05:32 PM
Feb 2014

Just a few days ago, one of my conservative friends on FB posted this:

"For all the people that cheered Obama do you still not see that he is promoting divisions and hostility? There is more anger and hate today than ever before, and instead of a message of hope we get, "I will do whatever I want, Congress be damned." Believe it or not, we all don't agree with spending ourselves further into debt. But I wonder, or maybe I fear, in two years, when he declares that it is still 'The Republicans' creating the evil, so by Executive Order he is suspending the Presidential Elections and will remain as our "Supreme Leader", will you still cheer and support him?"

So I posted this:

"There is more anger and hate because of arrogant conservatives who can't stand the thought of a black man in the White House who understands the struggles of the poor. This president has reduced deficit spending every year he's been in office, and your future scenario is so deranged, it reminds me why the fringe-right has lost its mind and doesn't deserve my vote."

Then she posted this:

"Rocco, its really heart breaking to see how well he has achieved his goal just by your words. There is as much hatred and anger in your response as anyone from any extreme. The scary thing is that so many don't even see how they are being manipulated to increase such hostility. If we don't work to mend the differences soon, we may sell our future cheaply."

Then I posted this:

"I'm not hateful, but I am angry. I'm angry whenever I see someone's minuscule minimum wage paycheck that forces them to sign up for food stamps to cover their necessities. I'm angry when corporations get more and more tax breaks, only to horde their savings in offshore banks where they stimulate nothing. I'm angry when I see unions being crushed for the goal of turning America into a nation of underpaid Wal-Mart greeters. This is the legacy of Reaganomics, and it has to end."

Then she replied with the weirdest message ever, which I'm still trying to understand:

"If you can only defend the President based on his race, you are the racist. That's sad, really. And to stretch back 30 years to find a scapegoat? So that means George W Bush was also a great President because it was all Reagans fault. Do you think of what you're saying or merely repeat what you have been told?"

These people are nutso, I swear.

calimary

(81,435 posts)
21. Welcome to DU, RoccoRyg!
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 07:00 PM
Feb 2014

Great to have you join us! These people ARE nutso. They gorge on roast of hyperbole and red herrings on the side. As that poster proved, they've got nothing, fact-wise, with which to respond, so they haul out the talking points and attack points they hear on Pox Noise every day. They're very good at twisting logic, but only they wind up believing it and taking it seriously as though it had some merit. It doesn't, and neither do they.

libodem

(19,288 posts)
17. We still want to play by the rules
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 05:40 PM
Feb 2014

Be fair and decent, in short be a worthy opponent. Repukes have no such compunction. They lie, cheat and steal to get ahead. The end justifies the means with them. They give politics a bad name and then drag us into the slime saying everyone does it and the parties are both the same.

They should be called out. But they show no shame. No conscience. No apologies. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. And they are absolutely corrupt, while pretending to be the epitome of Christianity and patriotism.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,176 posts)
18. It makes you contemplate that maybe its on purpose
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 05:58 PM
Feb 2014

I mean how could such an established party full of the smartest politicians always keep shooting themselves in the foot and looking like capitulating wuzzes?

Sometimes I dare to think that it IS like a football game, and the ones in the crowd are the industry and Wall Street leaders, the .1%. And the coach and quarterback leaders of the blue team know they could easily win the game because they have most of the talent backing them up (the factual truth) and athletic ability (the debating skills) to walk all over the red team. But if, as the game goes along, they start getting too far ahead and embarrassing the red team, they look up in the stands nervously because they know that if they slaughter the other side, it will cause a new progressive Zeitgeist (I always wanted to use that word in a sentence). Fans outside the Stadium, who cannot afford the exorbitant ticket prices to get that close to the athletes, will start to demand even more. They may want lower ticket prices (or whatever analogy) and come inside from the cold and even sit on the same level as the CEOs! This cannot happen, and the coach of the blue team gives a wink and a nod to the stands and with the quarterback starts to sabotage their own game. Soon the score is more even and there is no danger of the population outside of the stadium turning into all blue supporters, and getting too brave in their demands.

Kind of mixing up the metaphors but you know where I'm going.

lastlib

(23,270 posts)
19. We need to be like Harry Truman:
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 06:55 PM
Feb 2014

"I don't give 'em hell, I just tell the truth, and they THINK it's hell."

I wholeheartedly agree!

We need to not only tell the public the truth about Repuglikkans, we need to rub their filthy faces in it and then kick them back into the mud they slithered out of. NO Fear. NO Remorse. NO Pity. We cannot feel guilty about telling the world the f*cking TRUTH about these evil dirty f*ckers!

AndreaCG

(2,331 posts)
26. I have several republican classmates and colleagues
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 08:49 PM
Feb 2014

On Facebook. I try to counter the worst of their arguments with facts. Most of them reply in a civil manner. The only classmate I don't engage is one I consider to be a Christian hypocrite. Who claims not to judge people then does so in the next breath.

Brother Buzz

(36,458 posts)
25. I offer my opponents a bargain:
Sun Feb 2, 2014, 07:30 PM
Feb 2014

if they will stop telling lies about us, I will stop telling the truth about them' — Adlai E. Stevenson

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