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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf the ACA were repealed, 25 million people would lose health insurance coverage.
Jared Bernstein made this comment on the Alex Wagner show today when asked what numbers he thought were most important in the CBO report?
http://www.msnbc.com/now-with-alex-wagner/watch/cbo-ignites-debate-over-obamacare-and-jobs-138769475869
Turbineguy
(37,332 posts)fuck 'em!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)How can 25 million lose ACA when about 8 million signed up. Where are the others coming from?
W_HAMILTON
(7,867 posts)...people with preexisting conditions that are now able to get health insurance, etc.
I don't know where the exact 25 million number comes from, but there are a lot more people that have coverage through the ACA than just those that have signed up through the exchanges.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I completely forgot about the kids under 26 and also probably they threw the pre condition into the total number too. Thank you so much for the post!!!! You helped me with my feeble memory. (LOL)
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Which is just about everyone who already had insurance as well.
babylonsister
(171,066 posts)not that many have signed up yet AFAIK. It's not going to be repealed. It can't. I got my card yesterday!
rurallib
(62,416 posts)loudsue
(14,087 posts)There are serious things that are wrong about what is going on these days. AND IT IS THE MEDIA'S FAULT.
Beartracks
(12,814 posts)... instead of apologizing for the few things in it with which the Repubs are already defining the media discussion.
(Sorry - I couldn't find Third-Way Manny's original post where he offered this same sentiment.)
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PATRICK
(12,228 posts)issue which has been obvious for decades as well. About things denied, deferred and those responsible who would want to go back and double down on the victims already dead. Those responsible of course won't approach the topic at all so I wrote this type of invitation.
"Bring flowers if you wish."
and go to any graveyard, all you leaders, doctors, journalists, people of business, wise and powerful in the way things just are. Everyone could stand behind you.
There lie, under countless stones far outnumbering the victims of spasms of war, people who suffered, starved, lives ruined and cut short, murdered on the altars of Mammon. Doctors, AMA, who stood in the way of healthcare itself for millions- who suffered and died needlessly- over decades with the example of Medicare and other nations and now the ranks of the ACA to prove that one fact, what does that say about the Hippocratic oath? A hypocritical joke. Contemplate Healing. Would the graveyard be better plowed over for a golf course?
Journalists who recarve Mammons idols out of gravestones to be propagandists and petty ceremonial cheerleaders of mindless fame, stupidity and self-interested ignorance, blocking the mind of the commons with the babble, the white noise of preachy distraction: Dare you begin to think of ethics? Can you plead ignorance? The mawkish ritual funerals of celebrities are absent here. Your ruined audience lies in premature graves scattered out there. Hold closed but noisy debates about blame. They cant hear you anymore. Keep the peoples heads turned away from the graveyard while you contemplate simple Truth- in unaccustomed silence.
Politicians turned by fame and corrupted by rivers of money look to the voters and relatives of your citizens, betrayed oaths of office creating deaths, ruined lives, destroyed tools of government. All possibility redirected toward a few. Benefits grudgingly, gloriously bestowed in miserly increments of rationed rights. At best. How in graves past and future is your Power to be seen? Which stones are your legacy, your promise for the future?
Heads of business and the so-called one per centers look at the myriads of graves. If the symbolic hyper unreal trillions of locked away numbers called wealth represent anything is it not backed up in ghosts? Are the people whose opportunity to live was locked away a good enough foundation now? Or the headstones and statues shiny as gold glorious as the latest gilded sepulchers? Is this prosperity bowed down uncomplaining before you finally enough? Are you finally unafraid?
Certain types of religious people whose God is most obviously Mammon with all the attendant virtues and rites of lies and malice, what stories of martyrs arise from many of these dry bones.? How many have you slain in the arenas professing that evil is good, vice versa, gloatingly carrying the cross of others around serving Pilate and the Sanhedrin, hastening the Day of destruction by killing us all and laying waste to Gods creation?
The cosmos began, so claim people trained to think, with the spontaneous destruction of the vast majority of matter and anti-matter. The rest we see spinning out in the darkness continues in its own vastness to churn out the same meager proportion of life(theoretically) which life also broils in self destruction to breed forth modest intelligence from mighty doomed dinosaurs. Which intelligence in every particular life is only used a fraction in this same pattern of survival in a star system which may not be the most conducive to reason, Utopian opportunity, survival- but also most certainly not the worst. Our thoughts spring from all our majority emotions and hungers. Those hardwired to give new life are by nature chosen to glean life from this violence. Can our reason see that thus, in general- as a guess- it might be best if the women most unlike our elites and hypocrites ran the world? We turn our cutting edge progress of existence bask to the void. Still, as the saying goes, 99% of everything is crap. For the living though even the crap is at least fertilizer. The so called one per centers turn the world upside down in real majority rule. The numbers of the dead pile up against the living.
Graveyards lose all meaning when no comes. Atoms spin to other chances, oblivion.
Bring any flowers and look at any whole graveyard. People who would have died eventually, died prematurely, in pain, despair, the corruption that comes before the grave. Then one could face away to the wide world outside and behold the proud Plot of our pride, wealth, power and betrayals. The constant whine against the victims is that they did not give enough on the wise path of Mammon comes from an angry few that choose to represent the real universal majority- the Void- whose delight is holding the demons whip, flapping the mighty wings that eternalize Hell. Stagnation, silence after the screams. The silence that will be finally be silenced when meaning denied has nothing but a stone over an unmourned grave. Majority decision of reality, the things that just are so that they can become nothing. A dead planet whose final one percent will be the squeak of shame and at last surrender. The whimper will actually miss the end of the world.
Contemplate anything in a graveyard. War, power, institutions meant to serve, ideologies professing the same. Good Germans- and bad- by conquerors paraded at gunpoint through the death camps, you should be joined by a few others, the heirs of the human heritage- our elites, our leaders, our privileged. There before you lies the ends of powerful self-interest.
Such hands holding flowers, come visit the graveyards. Is even that work of virtue honestly possible?
Beartracks
(12,814 posts)It's too thought-provoking to be hidden as a reply to my reply...
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PATRICK
(12,228 posts)As you can see by this late reply I would have trouble posting something I really couldn't oversee(work six days a week usually, at nights), nor do I have any natural following who might nest there. My few efforts usually have dropped like bricks and they are more speculative than substantive anyway. I usually like to help other good posts, but definitely I went overboard "squeezing" in the sweeping bloviating even though ACA itself is pretty big.
The death of millions is also not too big to ignore whether spread out over decades of purposeful enablement by one party and ineffectualness by the other, involving, shamefully our medical profession and other fatter sharks still feeding off the misery. Somehow we are not allowed any effective type of public reaction to a failure so big we can't even see the meta-patterns that are even worse. The fact that millions without insurance will be certain victims is more likely to be suppressed than that a single political position will convert to reform. Adding them all up and you can forget about the Quixote clarion call by Hawkings to build space arks. Who could do it? Incompetent truth deniers in power or powerless rational people?
We are still on the defense instead of correcting the ACA toward where it should naturally progress. The absurd battleline is that the solution to people not benefiting from the GOP model program is to throw everything out and more people under the meaningless wealth juggernaut. They don't care how many babies are in the bathwater. Their rage multiplies in defiance of how many victims they must murder to assert power.