Solidarity is "White Knighthood"?

[WilliamPitt]

News to me.

Memo: I'm not your white knight. Handle your business yourself.

My mother never wanted a white knight to "save" her, nor does my wife, nor do any of the women I am fortunate to call friends.

But they know I'm in their corner, and every once in a while, I can and do help when asked. I vote in favor of their rights, I advocate for their rights, and I use my platform at Truthout to scorch as best I can the cretins out there seeking to denude those rights. That's friendship, that's family, that's solidarity.

This forum has gone completely off the rails.

Again.

[Ohio Joe]

1. Our 'mens' group is having fun pushing this MRA talking point...

It seems to be fine that it comes straight off of MRA websites. heir leader is currently struggling to explain to me how it's wrong to support any group you are not a part of... It's amusing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4528102

[lumberjack_jeff]

21. I'm no one's "leader".

It's unfair to use my views as a cudgel to denigrate all male DU'ers.

My views are mine alone.

And you never did answer me about how you can reverse engineer yourself into a set of principles by first identifying with a group you'd choose to support.

[Ohio Joe]

22. heh... It's funny when you make shit up

"It's unfair to use my views as a cudgel to denigrate all male DU'ers."

Bwahahahahaha... Stupid crap flies with the MRA's but no one else is going to buy it... Too funny.

"And you never did answer me about how you can reverse engineer yourself into a set of principles by first identifying with a group you'd choose to support."

My answers come in my time, not yours... But it's funny that with all the avoiding you are doing there that you would turn around and accuse my of it... Repugs do that crap all the time... Very much like how you use bogus stats to try and prove how oppressed men are while at the same time crying about how people should not support women.

Does it hurt to twist yourself up so much?

[El_Johns]

2. +1

[hfojvt]

3. legalize Loni Anderson's hair!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024494682

[boston bean]

4. Will,

I know that no one person is perfect. There have been somethings over the years that I've read that you have written, that made me feel that you didn't get it.

Well, life is a learning experience for all of us. I've noticed over the past year or so some differences in you, for the better, imho.

I want you to know that I appreciate your evolution on the issues. Thank you.

[arcane1]

5. I had never heard the term, as such, until today, and now it's everywhere.

I'm still not entirely sure WTF it's supposed to mean. Is it feeling like a savior to be a feminist? If I support womens' equality, it's because I think they need my protection, or some dumb-ass thing like that?

[Scootaloo]

7. Pretty much, yeah

Is it feeling like a savior to be a feminist? If I support womens' equality, it's because I think they need my protection, or some dumb-ass thing like that?

It also carries connotations of "getting the princess" - i.e., you're only a male feminist because you're looking to get sex.

[arcane1]

9. "you're only a male feminist because you're looking to get sex"

Oh good lord. That's even worse.

[nomorenomore08]

17. Believe me, if I were doing it to get a girlfriend, I would've stopped giving a shit about social

issues long, long ago...

[Scootaloo]

23. Well, see, that's key...

People who use this sort of rhetoric really cannot fathom having any relationship with a woman that is not or will not become sexual. There are no female friends or colleagues

[nomorenomore08]

24. You're right about that aspect as well. The lack of any relationship (sexual or non-sexual) with

the opposite sex is pretty telling - just think of how misogynistic a lot of men in strict Muslim countries, where males and females are largely segregated, can be. When you don't "mix" with women socially, romantically, and so forth, you tend to see them less as fellow human beings than as some alien Other.

Speaking as a guy who's had plenty of platonic female friends, but only a few non-platonic ones...

[Blue_Tires]

20. It's in frequent use on a LOT of message boards

I can definitely attest to video gaming forums...

For example, if you tried to take a female DUer's side in a squabble or defend her against a bunch of angry posters, it's only because you hope to someday get in her pants...

[In_The_Wind]

6. Seriously, thanks for everything Will.

[Adrahil]

8. Man...

I sometimes disagree with you. But you are 100% right on this one. Go get 'em!

[LostOne4Ever]

10. K&R

Great post!

[snooper2]

11. as long as you are not used as a prop

LOL

[Oilwellian]

12. It's not the first time DU has reached a level of absurdity

and it won't be the last.

[geek tragedy]

13. all kinds of them love to drop comments about 'your armor' etc

not coincidentally, they're the same ones getting into pissing matches with feminists.

wonders never cease.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Reason number I don't know what

that I no longer post anything close to serious here.

[Gormy Cuss]

15. You didn't mention men, therefore you MUST have been posing as a white knight.

AFAIK, that's what started the White Knight accusation. Lame, but for people who are looking for any pathetic excuse to justify sexual objectification, it was good enough.

[idendoit]

16. So you wouldn't help them because of their gender?

[kjones]

18. I'm not really aware of what's lead to the whole hubbub on DU as it is now.

I mostly don't delve too deep into the comments

To be (un?)fair though, when I read, "I would walk through fire for the women of DU, my wife, my daughter, my mother, every woman I know," I thought it came off as kind of cheesy.
At least, if I wrote something like that, I'd figure I might hear from both feminists and the men's group about it.

[geek tragedy]

19. the Men's Right crowd at DU has taken to making snotty comments

about male allies of feminists being "white knights" who are doing it to impress women or out of chivalry or for any other reason than supporting feminism.

Because it really burns their ass to see other men actively supporting feminism.

[nomorenomore08]

25. I truly don't get what the big frickin' deal is. If you happen to disagree with someone, then

fine, but why the need to freak out and get all defensive - including ridicule, which is often a sign of defensiveness? I just don't see how these guys think they have so much at stake. Maybe the illusion of power over others is just as crucial, to some, as the actuality of it?

[geek tragedy]

26. this comment is fairly illustrative of the mindset

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4522046

never underestimate the need for members of the privileged group to claim victim status.

See generally, the War on Christmas, the War on Boys, and now the war on heterosexual men

[nomorenomore08]

30. Again, just who is victimizing this person? Why the outsized persecution complex?

All I can figure is that these folks have never experienced any real discrimination in their lives - otherwise they wouldn't be whining over silly shit like this.

[DonCoquixote]

28. because

they hate the fact that they have been exposed as the wimps they are. They cannot win arguments, their data does not hold water, so the resort to insults and fear..

By the way, I think the title of this was based one me being attacked on another thread, because I was called, you guessed it, a White knight. One of the feminists said that solidarity is not being a white knight, being patronizing. Thus I made an OP based ion the excellent image from the feminists, and on it rolled.

and again, no this is not about chivalry, this is about realizing that when someone tries to make bullsh*t into truth, they need to be called out on it, because they will surely try to use Bullsh*t against you. First they came for the unpopular people, then they came for others, yadda, yadda.

[nomorenomore08]

32. That, and also just plain bigotry. Analogous to calling an LGBT support a "fa**ot lover" or

some such bullshit.

[WilliamPitt]

27. Up

[etherealtruth]

29. Of course it is not

It comes down to this: Expect idiots to say idiotic things.

I am not sure DU has gone off the rails ... I am sure there is a cadre of posters that can't quite locate the rails to begin with (sadly, many are prolific posters)

[nomorenomore08]

31. +1000

[Warren Stupidity]

33. they had to have some response to men speaking up

it is actually a pretty clever framing. If I think something here is wrong I'm going to speak up. If that makes some people uncomfortable, too fucking bad.

[freeplessinseattle]

34. Thank you Will, finally a voice of reason! n/t

[GeorgeGist]

35. I'll take a pass at being offended ...

When called a white knight.