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This should make the reality of Kiev hit home: (Original Post) Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 OP
K&R MadrasT Feb 2014 #1
i listened to bbc overnight today. madrchsod Feb 2014 #2
Horrible. Gemini Cat Feb 2014 #3
Freedom isn't free. I hope they achieve their goal. LuvNewcastle Feb 2014 #4
Russian troops will be there after the Olympics are over Loaded Liberal Dem Feb 2014 #5
Russia is leaning on Yanukovych now, telling him to stop being a 'doormat'. pampango Feb 2014 #6
I'm 1/4 Ukrainian and this is tearing my heart out LiberalEsto Feb 2014 #7
Do you still have family there? thucythucy Feb 2014 #13
None that I know of. The family seems to have died out. LiberalEsto Feb 2014 #23
If any of the dead were swimsuit models, this post would already have 500 replies. 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #8
+++1000. nt kelliekat44 Feb 2014 #9
She's not a 'swimsuit model' but here's one woman serving as a medic who's been shot. pampango Feb 2014 #10
I hope she is alive! nt Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #11
Wouldn't it be great if mixed in with the swimsuit models, Sports Illustrated pictured JDPriestly Feb 2014 #17
Best idea I have heard in a long, long time, JDPriestly. Thanks. n/t pampango Feb 2014 #19
Well put. Nt. thucythucy Feb 2014 #14
Kick so the Putin apologists can't miss it. riqster Feb 2014 #12
I wonder where all the Putin ass-kissers on DU are now? Ikonoklast Feb 2014 #18
They'll be along, no doubt. riqster Feb 2014 #22
These images are so difficult to look at. thucythucy Feb 2014 #15
I'm leaving out the very graphic ones Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #20
We need better tools for peaceful revolutions toby jo Feb 2014 #16
Well, one side can try to peacefully revolt all they want. Are_grits_groceries Feb 2014 #21

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
2. i listened to bbc overnight today.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 09:29 AM
Feb 2014

the reporter said the police who were surrendering were protected by the demonstrators and shielded till they could get to safety. seems the police/military have snipers on some of the buildings,

this situation is not going anytime soon.

 

Loaded Liberal Dem

(230 posts)
5. Russian troops will be there after the Olympics are over
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 09:50 AM
Feb 2014

"Requested" by Yanukovich to "restore law and order," of course.

pampango

(24,692 posts)
6. Russia is leaning on Yanukovych now, telling him to stop being a 'doormat'.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:12 AM
Feb 2014
“We need partners who are in good shape and for the authorities that work in Ukraine to be legitimate and effective, so that people don’t wipe their feet on them like a doormat,” said Medvedev in televised remarks.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/blog/2014/feb/20/ukraine-crisis-new-clashes-strain-truce-live-updates#block-5305db01e4b0e0e8038da857

Perhaps Yanukovych has a few days - until the Olympics end - to prove that his security forces can 'get the job done' before all bets are off. I still think it is hard to imagine the Russian military rolling into Ukraine.
 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
7. I'm 1/4 Ukrainian and this is tearing my heart out
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:44 AM
Feb 2014

I fear Putin will massacre not hundreds but tens of thousands of Ukrainians to preserve his "empire". Damn him to hell.

thucythucy

(8,069 posts)
13. Do you still have family there?
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:30 AM
Feb 2014

Ukraine has not only had an incredibly tragic history, but it seems to me that its history is often deliberately obscured. For instance, it makes me cringe whenever I see the figure "twenty million Russian dead" cited for World War II, since the plurality of those deaths weren't "Russian" but rather Ukrainian. A culture that has had centuries of foreign domination/intervention, with only a very few windows of anything like self-determination, open for mere decades, if that.

This is one of those eras. Whether it lasts any longer than Ukrainian independence in the early 20th century, only time will tell.

Best wishes to you and yours.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
23. None that I know of. The family seems to have died out.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 03:00 PM
Feb 2014

I'm mostly Estonian, and I have relatives in Estonia.

Putin also would like to re-annex Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and other former Soviet republics. What we see happening now could one day happen in the Baltic nations if Putin gets his way in Ukraine

pampango

(24,692 posts)
10. She's not a 'swimsuit model' but here's one woman serving as a medic who's been shot.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:10 AM
Feb 2014
Death of a medic

A young medic who posted “I’m dying” on a networking site after being shot by the police, is reported to be among those killed in the clashes, the news site Interpret Mag reports.

Olesya Zhukovskaya, 21, was shot in the neck by a sniper, according to the protest group Euromaidan.

Her last post on the site Vkontakte read: “I’m dying”.

She was photographed clutching her neck as it bled onto her white coat emblazoned with a red cross. Her message appeared to have cross posted to Twitter.



I have seen reports that she is not dead. She had surgery and has survived.

I realize that your reference to 'swimsuit models' was facetious, but I thought it was a good one to respond to with this information.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. Wouldn't it be great if mixed in with the swimsuit models, Sports Illustrated pictured
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 12:46 PM
Feb 2014

a few women heroes like Olesya Zhukovskaya and a few outstanding sportswomen?

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
18. I wonder where all the Putin ass-kissers on DU are now?
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 01:12 PM
Feb 2014

Funny how so many of them profess love and admiration for an autocratic authoritarian but hate this president.

Tells me all I need to know about such "progressives".

thucythucy

(8,069 posts)
15. These images are so difficult to look at.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:34 AM
Feb 2014

Still, I have to thank you for posting them.

Tragic, heart breaking, infuriating. Words can't say enough, or do enough.

Thanks again, though, for posting.

Are_grits_groceries

(17,111 posts)
21. Well, one side can try to peacefully revolt all they want.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 01:16 PM
Feb 2014

If the other side is determined to use force, it 's a done deal if they don't care who sees the bloodshed.

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