I'm against the gender wars
But after thousands of years of being property, being victimized and treated as second class citizens, I don't think the gender wars should end with a surrender by women.
Both genders should work together to insure that women, who have been historically and presently treated as second class citizens, albeit with some changes in some parts of the world in the past 100 years, are given equality compared to men.
in pay
in opportunities
in status
in control of their bodies
in my community, in my state, in your state, in this country, in all countries. everywhere.
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Well said 
There is an actual history of women's issues that are real and should be treated as such. Not some message board games to get people's posts hidden.
Great post. 
If this keeps up I might consider investing in butter futures too! 
to pretend that any of the issues brought up by the people you are railing against has anything to do with what we choose to wear. There is going to be a shortage of straw in your area soon.
We have a long way to go, but... but... but...today's vocal feminists are just too sensitive and their tone is so unpleasant. Amiright? 
Stalking you? In your world it really is just all about you isn't it? Hey, at your age, I would probably say you've earned that. But I'm finding it hard to even give you that much respect. You seem to have nothing but contempt for those who wish to make life just a little less hostile for women. Like I said before, that is the exact opposite of being a bad ass.
Just sayin...
I don't know about your personal life, but you are not in hostile atmosphere here in DU. Let me play my tiny violin for you.
that you are going to align yourself with a woman who says a rape victim is lying to get sympathy?
First you mock her with your smiley then when she pours her guts out you just go 'sorry but.... ' and continue to defend the right of people to post OBJECTIFYING BULLSHIT on a goddamn POLITICAL DISCUSSION BOARD.
Thank you, really, for making your priorities, your lack of empathy, and your penchant for victim blaming so very crystal clear.
read and examine what you have written. I've had about enough of. What a disgusting display. I've gotten a frickin belly full.
Yeah, do you realize you're not even making any sense at all at this point?
Hmmm. Suddenly I'm reminded of something JAG said recently... 
*backs away slowly*
NO one can take that away from you. You are a tremendous example to many here.
I am so sorry that shit happened to you. to anyone.
It is abhorrent that so many people find it so easy to simply dismiss those they personally brand as somehow deserving being treated like shit ("unless you allow it" my fat Latina ass).
Please know you have far more allies here than you know. It's just that the callous libertarian(ish) chorus on du is on full blast lately.
I would back you up as my sister even if I didn't personally empathize with your pain, and also your hope for a better future for others.
For some women, the right to earn almost as much money for the same jobs as men is apparently enough.
For.them, the right to at least not be stoned to death for adultery is enough.
The right to wear bikinis is enough. 
Etc, etc... they've settled. They've decided to accept sexual harassment and get annoyed when other women call it out. Ignore them.
I thank you for being as brave as you were, to share all of that here. I'm sorry you got such a cold, unfeeling response... but I'm not surprised.
Thank you also for helping to change the way society treats women. Thank you for not settling for "it wasn't enough" - we know we deserve freedom.
damn.
A very genuine
Two persons decided to hide it?? WTF??
I'm so sorry you endured such horrific experiences, and I am also sorry that people here have respond with cruelty toward your story. I just want to say I support you. I respect your strength in sharing your personal story. That takes a lot of courage, particularly in this environment.
You sure aren't welcoming to JTFrog. First you willfully and deliberately distort the arguments many here have raised, then you hurl nsults when she points that out. If that's not hostile, what is?
By the way, the law defines a hostile environment, as based on the Civil Rights Law of 1964. The kind of pictures you claim are about what people "choose to wear' (a patently false distortion and factually wrong) is part of that environment. That is why they have been prohibited for decades in public spaces, non-profits, Democratic Party offices, and places of employment that follow the law. It's starting to wonder if some members here have held a job at any point in the past thirty years because you complain about what is standard practice in public spaces for decades. So yeah, progress and equal rights are a huge burden. You're just going to have to deal with it. It's part of the modern world. Of course. you could always band with the GOP to get those laws overturned. Or you can insist DU not follow practices intended to promote diversity and instead argue for a website that deliberately excludes the key constituencies of the Democratic Party, as the T and A threads and "soul food" thread, among others, were intended to do. Pretending deliberately hostile actions do not exclude is disingenuous, since there is decades of case law that shows they do. (see, for example, Jensen vs. Evelyth Taconite).
That you think swimsuit models choose their clothing is for photo shoots is pretty hysterical. 
Yeah, feminists here are all the time posting about women wearing too little clothing on beaches or out in public. Only they don't. People who make those arguments are generally blaming rape victims for their own assaults or shaming some pop star because they think she dress too "slutty." Ironically they are the very people who defend the swimsuit centerfolds being posted on DU. The key point is that men, not women, control how women are to be presented in public. It has nothing to do with women's choices. It is about explicitly denying women choices. Those same people argue that if women wear make up or high heels, objectification is their fault. They are asking for it. These issues are all about one issue--male control over public space and over women's bodies. (And not even all men, only a minority of men here who are angry at the progress of the past half century. Warren Stupidity's thread shows the majority of members believe those pics promote a hostile environment).
So you keep insulting people on this site who dare to care about equal rights, completely fabricate arguments they never articulated, and maintain your inane fantasies about the multi-billion dollar corporate media, which appears to mean more to you than the rights of your fellow Americans. You turn to personal attacks and create a cartoon caricature of an argument because you are either unwilling or unable to engage with ideas actually raised.
see ya, I am not interested in intellectual dishonesty 
Gotta love it.
Wouldn't do to have those uppity transgender folks adding non-gentle reminders.
They suck. 
