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clydefrand

(4,325 posts)
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 07:55 PM Feb 2014

When is it acceptable to use what some call vulgar language

Such as the F word, the Sh__ word, the N---- word ( I consider that vulgar and racist), .... well any of you over a certain age know what I'm talking about. The rest of you should either know, or should have been brought up to know when you don't use certain types of language. Talking to friends, maybe, but not on the internet. There is no excuse for stupidity/ignorance. (This has nothing to due with 'education').

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When is it acceptable to use what some call vulgar language (Original Post) clydefrand Feb 2014 OP
Whoa. Are we not allowed to use obscenities on the interwebs? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #1
Often at DU, the "bad" words are used. I don't have a problem with it quinnox Feb 2014 #2
In my mind there is a huge difference etherealtruth Feb 2014 #3
The N word is never acceptable. Ever. KentuckyWoman Feb 2014 #4
I think the OP included that word from hearing it in rap music. alp227 Feb 2014 #48
Yeah, it's fucking ridiculous. They ought to take that shit out of the movies or give us earplugs. jsr Feb 2014 #5
Beats the fuck outta me... zappaman Feb 2014 #6
There's no excuse to use the N, C, or Z words, EVER NightWatcher Feb 2014 #7
Z word? quinnox Feb 2014 #10
Good one, almost made me type it. NightWatcher Feb 2014 #15
Zippedy-doo-dah? Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #17
zombie krawhitham Feb 2014 #24
Bingo! billh58 Feb 2014 #32
Zark! as in Zark off you kneebitter, you don't even know where your towel is. TheKentuckian Feb 2014 #41
..Zardoz. Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #62
Heh. +1 n/t lumberjack_jeff Feb 2014 #83
Zzyzx! cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #63
This is going to bug me until I figure out what the z-word is... penultimate Feb 2014 #75
Zounds! An archaic oath from the 1590s meaning "By God's Wounds." FSogol Feb 2014 #101
Zorro? edbermac Feb 2014 #18
Zwieback etherealtruth Feb 2014 #26
I know hundreds of people who love it . pipoman Feb 2014 #78
zenzizenzizenzic penultimate Feb 2014 #76
I leave DU homepage and LBN up on my computer.... Uben Feb 2014 #8
What a god damned fucking stupid ass question! Dumbass! :-) Logical Feb 2014 #8
Alert, alert...he made a nasty! Uben Feb 2014 #11
Well fuckity fuck fuck. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #12
When you want; which is also the acceptable time to call someone on it Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2014 #13
This is a site for adults and there will be vulgar language used here. Autumn Feb 2014 #14
What the fuck are you on about? Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #16
We don't tolerate that fuggin shizz here struggle4progress Feb 2014 #19
Never. Plus sex is bad.. and so is nudity. Everyone needs to cover up, stop cussin', stop spittin', Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #20
Get off my lawn, you right-wing divisive infiltrator! LadyHawkAZ Feb 2014 #34
Yeah... Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #37
And *GET OFF MY LAWN, DAMN IT!!!* nt tblue37 Feb 2014 #80
Yep Warren DeMontague Feb 2014 #82
Maybe a pastry will clam nerves. blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #21
Oh, clam up! randome Feb 2014 #58
As a society, we've overused our curse words to the point that they're practically meaningless Cirque du So-What Feb 2014 #22
I agree with you. Jenoch Feb 2014 #31
I disagree Scootaloo Feb 2014 #81
You are correct they is no excuse for ignorance, They are only WORDS! krawhitham Feb 2014 #23
Words dictate how people percieve reality. nt ZombieHorde Feb 2014 #60
It's actually therapeutic! kentauros Feb 2014 #25
Thanks, that was fuckin' interesting. ~ nt antiquie Feb 2014 #38
Well shit! I didn't know we shouldn't use the fuck word. In_The_Wind Feb 2014 #27
Yes, this post deserves nothing but the "derp" response. HuckleB Feb 2014 #49
If a word offends someone you should not use it The Straight Story Feb 2014 #28
Good one! oldhippie Feb 2014 #30
When meeting soneone new, always ask for their list of banned words, so you don't offend them. RC Feb 2014 #54
... cherokeeprogressive Feb 2014 #64
I have watched this little piece of brilliance... 3catwoman3 Feb 2014 #70
Beat me to it. nt MrScorpio Feb 2014 #86
Good fucking luck with that! oldhippie Feb 2014 #29
Derp. HuckleB Feb 2014 #45
I ask myself that fucking question all the time Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #33
And.... Derp. HuckleB Feb 2014 #46
Right back at ya! Vinnie From Indy Feb 2014 #53
OK, then. HuckleB Feb 2014 #65
Many of "those" words are legitimate Golf terms! OffWithTheirHeads Feb 2014 #35
For fuck sake, they're just shitty fucking words, use them when the fuck you fucking feel like it. dorkzilla Feb 2014 #36
No, no; don't play the "just words" card. Or else you'll have to defend the "N" word, will you not? WinkyDink Feb 2014 #51
of course the n word is never okay, but im perplexed that it was lumped in with the others dorkzilla Feb 2014 #88
Then don't say that ANY words are "just words," simply because you are comfortable with vulgarisms. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #92
I'll say whatever the hell i want. dorkzilla Feb 2014 #94
Hence, not all words are just words? LanternWaste Feb 2014 #95
I'm not playing this stupid fucking game. dorkzilla Feb 2014 #98
Little League? JoePhilly Feb 2014 #39
In most Little Leagues, such terms lead to ejections. HuckleB Feb 2014 #44
... well fuck. JoePhilly Feb 2014 #47
Derpity. Derp. Derp. Derp. HuckleB Feb 2014 #50
Racial slurs and sexist slurs I do not tolerate proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #40
Likewise...and I include sexual orientation slurs. Lizzie Poppet Feb 2014 #42
LOL yep. proudretiredvet Feb 2014 #55
If you have to ask, well, then you're not ready to use such terms. HuckleB Feb 2014 #43
When dealing with shrink wrap, recalcitrant computers, or stubbed toes. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2014 #52
Add "when doing general household and automotive repairs", and I'm right there with ya. opiate69 Feb 2014 #59
Just pretend you're edited for TV Revanchist Feb 2014 #56
They're acceptable words because they're words. randome Feb 2014 #57
well, CUSS YOU! kwassa Feb 2014 #61
The f word is safe...for now. Old and In the Way Feb 2014 #66
Damn! You actually know fuckers who use the N word? riderinthestorm Feb 2014 #67
Go and boil your bottom, you son of a silly person! edbermac Feb 2014 #68
I'm going to limit pipi_k Feb 2014 #69
As I posted earlier, the are times and places Jenoch Feb 2014 #71
To the OPer. If you find yourself using the word "should" vanlassie Feb 2014 #72
Oh look! Le Taz Hot Feb 2014 #73
Why the Fu*ck word offends anyone is beyond me... penultimate Feb 2014 #74
Know your audience. Iggo Feb 2014 #77
+1 nomorenomore08 Feb 2014 #90
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Feb 2014 #79
When last I checked the internet wasn't my grandmother's living room. LeftyMom Feb 2014 #84
Vulgar you say ? SamKnause Feb 2014 #85
Fucking A! nt MrScorpio Feb 2014 #87
I have no problem with the use of vulgarity, but when it is aimed at someone I think it is abusive davidpdx Feb 2014 #89
due with education? CBGLuthier Feb 2014 #91
When the "Murder, She Wrote" marathon gets preempted by sports. opiate69 Feb 2014 #93
fuck conflating the N word with garden variety fuck/shit/asshole, etc cali Feb 2014 #96
THANK YOU nt dorkzilla Feb 2014 #99
you're more than fucking welcome! cali Feb 2014 #100
You fuckin' rock cali! dorkzilla Feb 2014 #103
Do you have to use so many cuss words? deutsey Feb 2014 #97
thursdays. unblock Feb 2014 #102
Or Tuesdays dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #104
 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
2. Often at DU, the "bad" words are used. I don't have a problem with it
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 08:00 PM
Feb 2014

I even use "the f-word" from time to time. Yea, some use that and other bad words too much, but what can you do. It is their free expression.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
3. In my mind there is a huge difference
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 08:00 PM
Feb 2014

... between using racial or ethnic epithets, slurs based on gender or orientation, religion ...etc ....THESE ARE NEVER OK (in my mind)

"vulgarities" or swear words don't impact me in any way ... but, that is just the way I see it

KentuckyWoman

(6,688 posts)
4. The N word is never acceptable. Ever.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 08:01 PM
Feb 2014

As for the rest it doesn't bother me. Just words. Sometimes a good cuss word comes in handy. And make no mistake about a perfectly clean word can be just as much a cuss word as any other.

alp227

(32,034 posts)
48. I think the OP included that word from hearing it in rap music.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:14 PM
Feb 2014

Black rappers of course use that word in a different manner from the segregationists.

billh58

(6,635 posts)
32. Bingo!
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 09:12 PM
Feb 2014
Not Using the Z Word:

Ed: Are there any zombies out there?
Shaun: Don't say that!
Ed: What?
Shaun: That.
Ed: What?
Shaun: That. The Z word. Don't say it.
Ed: Why not?
Shaun: Because it's ridiculous!
Ed: All right... Are there any out there, though?
Shaun of the Dead

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotUsingTheZWord

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
41. Zark! as in Zark off you kneebitter, you don't even know where your towel is.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:05 PM
Feb 2014

Hell, I go right past that and will use Belgium in mixed company. I am without decency or shame.

FSogol

(45,490 posts)
101. Zounds! An archaic oath from the 1590s meaning "By God's Wounds."
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 04:40 PM
Feb 2014

Are there no dictionaries anymore?

Uben

(7,719 posts)
8. I leave DU homepage and LBN up on my computer....
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 08:06 PM
Feb 2014

...and although I use my fair share of cuss words here, I try to keep them out of the thread titles in case anyone else leaves these pages up on their computers where kids are present. Other than that, I see this as an adult board where heated conversations take place often and I don't care what anyone says...with the exception of any racial epithets. If you want a place where all conversations are docile, go to church or something...that aint here!

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
13. When you want; which is also the acceptable time to call someone on it
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 08:15 PM
Feb 2014

I'm not so much into censorship as I am in to speaking to one's conscience.

Autumn

(45,108 posts)
14. This is a site for adults and there will be vulgar language used here.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 08:15 PM
Feb 2014

If the N---- word gets posted that person should be banned. I use foul language on the Internets often. And seriously " but not on the internet" Have you seen some of the stuff posted on the internet? The F word, the Sh__ word are nothing Try ignore.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
20. Never. Plus sex is bad.. and so is nudity. Everyone needs to cover up, stop cussin', stop spittin',
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 08:35 PM
Feb 2014

stop listening to that demonic rock and roll music, and most especially stop fornicating!

To do otherwise is not "Progressive"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
37. Yeah...
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 09:28 PM
Feb 2014

Pretty much.

Of course, when you mockingly say "get off my lawn", you are using words.

You know who else used words?

That's right- Hitler. Oh, yes... He used words ALL THE TIME.


I hope you're happy, defending Hitler-style activites here on DU.

Cirque du So-What

(25,947 posts)
22. As a society, we've overused our curse words to the point that they're practically meaningless
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 08:40 PM
Feb 2014

IMO swear words should be used sparingly in order that when one is tactically deployed (the f-bomb, for example), it has maximum effect. At least in my case, when I'm around someone whose every third word is 'fuck' or 'shit,' I very quickly tune out their prattle. After all, curses are meant to convey *STRONG* emotional responses. What, then, are we to make of the guy who asks you to 'pass the fucking sugar'? Like the world's most interesting man, I don't always swear, but when I do, I have a good fucking reason for it!

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
31. I agree with you.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 09:08 PM
Feb 2014

There are times and places where a good strong curseword is usefull. The overuse of such words takes away their effectiveness.

Several years ago I realized I was cursing to myself more than I thought was necessary so I started to say 'sheep dip' instead. It seems that many people are confused as to the meaning of it. I was using the phrase before there was ab Urban Dictionary, so that's not it.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
81. I disagree
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 12:30 AM
Feb 2014

How lazy is it to let a word do all the work for you? Fuck is no longer a bomb - it's part of a strategic missile placement. I think that's actually good for the language, requiring people to learn word placement and choice.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
25. It's actually therapeutic!
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 08:56 PM
Feb 2014

Or at least fuck is

http://www.thefuckitlife.com/





And you could be a duck fucker!

fuck (v.)
until recently a difficult word to trace, in part because it was taboo to the editors of the original OED when the "F" volume was compiled, 1893-97. Written form only attested from early 16c. OED 2nd edition cites 1503, in the form fukkit; earliest appearance of current spelling is 1535 -- "Bischops ... may fuck thair fill and be vnmaryit" (Sir David Lyndesay, "Ane Satyre of the Thrie Estaits"), but presumably it is a much more ancient word than that, simply one that wasn't written in the kind of texts that have survived from O.E. and M.E. Buck cites proper name John le Fucker from 1278. The word apparently is hinted at in a scurrilous 15c. poem, titled "Flen flyys," written in bastard Latin and M.E. The relevant line reads:

Non sunt in celi
quia fuccant uuiuys of heli


"They (the monks) are not in heaven because they fuck the wives of (the town of) Ely." Fuccant is pseudo-Latin, and in the original it is written in cipher. The earliest examples of the word otherwise are from Scottish, which suggests a Scandinavian origin, perhaps from a word akin to Norwegian dialectal fukka "copulate," or Swedish dialectal focka "copulate, strike, push," and fock "penis." Another theory traces it to M.E. fyke, fike "move restlessly, fidget," which also meant "dally, flirt," and probably is from a general North Sea Germanic word; cf. M.Du. fokken, Ger. ficken "fuck," earlier "make quick movements to and fro, flick," still earlier "itch, scratch;" the vulgar sense attested from 16c. This would parallel in sense the usual M.E. slang term for "have sexual intercourse," swive, from O.E. swifan "to move lightly over, sweep" (see swivel). But OED remarks these "cannot be shown to be related" to the English word. Chronology and phonology rule out Shipley's attempt to derive it from M.E. firk "to press hard, beat."

Germanic words of similar form (f + vowel + consonant) and meaning 'copulate' are numerous. One of them is G. ficken. They often have additional senses, especially 'cheat,' but their basic meaning is 'move back and forth.' ... Most probably, fuck is a borrowing from Low German and has no cognates outside Germanic. (Liberman)

French foutre and Italian fottere look like the English word but are unrelated, derived rather from L. futuere, which is perhaps from PIE base *bhau(t)- "knock, strike off," extended via a figurative use "from the sexual application of violent action" (Shipley; cf. the sexual slang use of bang, etc.). Popular and Internet derivations from acronyms (and the "pluck yew" fable) are merely ingenious trifling. The O.E. word was hæman, from ham "dwelling, home," with a sense of "take home, co-habit." Fuck was outlawed in print in England (by the Obscene Publications Act, 1857) and the U.S. (by the Comstock Act, 1873). As a noun, it dates from 1670s. The word may have been shunned in print, but it continued in conversation, especially among soldiers during WWI.

It became so common that an effective way for the soldier to express this emotion was to omit this word. Thus if a sergeant said, 'Get your ----ing rifles!' it was understood as a matter of routine. But if he said 'Get your rifles!' there was an immediate implication of urgency and danger. (John Brophy, "Songs and Slang of the British Soldier: 1914-1918," pub. 1930)

The legal barriers broke down in the 20th century, with the "Ulysses" decision (U.S., 1933) and "Lady Chatterley's Lover" (U.S., 1959; U.K., 1960). Johnson excluded the word, and fuck wasn't in a single English language dictionary from 1795 to 1965. "The Penguin Dictionary" broke the taboo in the latter year. Houghton Mifflin followed, in 1969, with "The American Heritage Dictionary," but it also published a "Clean Green" edition without the word, to assure itself access to the lucrative public high school market.

The abbreviation F (or eff) probably began as euphemistic, but by 1943 it was being used as a cuss word, too. In 1948, the publishers of "The Naked and the Dead" persuaded Norman Mailer to use the euphemism fug instead. When Mailer later was introduced to Dorothy Parker, she greeted him with, "So you're the man who can't spell 'fuck' " (The quip sometimes is attributed to Tallulah Bankhead). Hemingway used muck in "For whom the Bell Tolls" (1940). The major breakthrough in publication was James Jones' "From Here to Eternity" (1950), with 50 fucks (down from 258 in the original manuscript). Egyptian legal agreements from the 23rd Dynasty (749-21 B.C.E.) frequently include the phrase, "If you do not obey this decree, may a donkey copulate with you!" (Reinhold Aman, "Maledicta," Summer 1977). Fuck-all "nothing" first recorded 1960.

Verbal phrase fuck up "to ruin, spoil, destroy" first attested c.1916. A widespread group of Slavic words (cf. Pol. pierdoli?) can mean both "fornicate" and "make a mistake." Fuck off attested from 1929; as a command to depart, by 1944. Flying fuck originally meant "have sex on horseback" and is first attested c.1800 in broadside ballad "New Feats of Horsemanship." For the unkillable urban legend that this word is an acronym of some sort (a fiction traceable on the Internet to 1995 but probably predating that) see here, and also here. Related: Fucked; fucking. Agent noun fucker attested from 1590s in literal sense; by 1893 as a term of abuse (or admiration).

DUCK F-CK-R. The man who has the care of the poultry on board a ſhip of war. ("Classical Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue," 1796)

In_The_Wind

(72,300 posts)
27. Well shit! I didn't know we shouldn't use the fuck word.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 09:02 PM
Feb 2014

As for the N_____ word, I never use that one anywhere.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
28. If a word offends someone you should not use it
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 09:02 PM
Feb 2014

No one can tell someone not to be offended.

Well they could, but that would be offensive.

If a person grew up believing that the word 'fuck' was bad and it personally offends them, we have a progressive duty to strike it from all public board usage to ensure we do not offend them.

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
54. When meeting soneone new, always ask for their list of banned words, so you don't offend them.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:35 PM
Feb 2014

However, I have met people that do deserved to be offended. Those people, you can use their banned word list in front of them with impunity.
That advice applies to some people on DU too. (Not you though, of course)

3catwoman3

(24,007 posts)
70. I have watched this little piece of brilliance...
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:26 PM
Feb 2014

...more times than I can count, and it completely cracks me up every time. The narrator's dry, pedantic delivery reminds of what we used to call "filmstrips" in elementary school in the late 50s.

 

OffWithTheirHeads

(10,337 posts)
35. Many of "those" words are legitimate Golf terms!
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 09:26 PM
Feb 2014

It's also almost impossible to complete a construction project without them. I was once running a crew installing new HVAC in an old grammer school. We were working in the library. Returning from a break, I observed that one of my crew had made a major fuck up in an installation. When I saw the "fuck up" (a legitimate construction term), I loudly exclaimed "Oh shit". The librarian glared at me and said, and I quote, "LIBRARY VOICE!" then she smiled.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
36. For fuck sake, they're just shitty fucking words, use them when the fuck you fucking feel like it.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 09:27 PM
Feb 2014

I don't fucking know how one would equate "stupidity/ignorance" with choosing to use vulgar language. That's just fucking ridiculous.

So much fucking pearl clutching going around here lately...I feel like I'm being chewed out by the school fucking principal every day. GET THE FAINTING COUCH READY!!!!

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
51. No, no; don't play the "just words" card. Or else you'll have to defend the "N" word, will you not?
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:26 PM
Feb 2014

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
88. of course the n word is never okay, but im perplexed that it was lumped in with the others
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 05:08 AM
Feb 2014

the others are vulgar, the n word is pure hate.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
92. Then don't say that ANY words are "just words," simply because you are comfortable with vulgarisms.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 01:04 PM
Feb 2014

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
94. I'll say whatever the hell i want.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 03:35 PM
Feb 2014

If you feel comfortable telling people WHAT TO DISCUSS ON A DISCUSSION BOARD shouldn't you be calling out the OP for foolishly lumping in the N-word with everything else? It doesn't hold equal weight and you know it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
95. Hence, not all words are just words?
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 03:56 PM
Feb 2014

"foolishly lumping in the N-word with everything else...?


Hence, not all words are just words? Else what is the precise,objective and relevant distinction that applies to the N-word so that it loses its status as just a word, but applies to no other words?

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
98. I'm not playing this stupid fucking game.
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 04:07 PM
Feb 2014

Last edited Fri Feb 21, 2014, 04:37 PM - Edit history (1)

You know damned well why the n-word is different.

 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
40. Racial slurs and sexist slurs I do not tolerate
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 09:55 PM
Feb 2014

The rest of those bad words I could care less about. I do not speak with those words in my real life and do not use them here. If I can not have a discussion with honesty and using proper english then I need to withdraw and rethink my opinion and presentation.
When others go to those words in an exchange it is very obvious that they are not doing so well with their point of view.
Just me.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
42. Likewise...and I include sexual orientation slurs.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:10 PM
Feb 2014

N-bombs, c-bombs, f-bombs (not the "fuck" kind...), are all terms I refuse to use, regardless of how pissed off I am at someone. It's not exactly a hardship, as I have a good stock of other nasties to hurl as people I think deserve it.

 

proudretiredvet

(312 posts)
55. LOL yep.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:42 PM
Feb 2014

I learned long ago to mind my tongue and think about my reply. When I have someone scratching their head wondering if they have been insulted then I get a laugh. It takes them two days to figure out what I really called them or told them I get a big laugh.

I called a young man to the head of a formation one day and praised him highly for his ability to communicate and instruct others. Then I gave him the instruction that he would inform the formation how to undo his cranial rectal inversion. I further instructed him that he was to answer all questions posed to him by the assembled troops to ensure that he had completely shared his wealth of knowledge on this subject.
They ask him questions for an hour.
I got called on the carpet for that one but my CO was laughing when he was trying to chew my ass.

Revanchist

(1,375 posts)
56. Just pretend you're edited for TV
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:49 PM
Feb 2014


On the serious side, I think profanity is allowable when you wish but I don't like the racist, sexist, or gender-based slurs.
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
57. They're acceptable words because they're words.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 10:53 PM
Feb 2014

However, too many use them as a desperate attempt to get attention. To appear to be 'with it'. And then it's just annoying and I tune out.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
66. The f word is safe...for now.
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:10 PM
Feb 2014

The group that hates the b word, the c word, and maybe a few other words seem to use the f word with remarkable fluency. But once they all decide the f word is not OK, the posters using it will be properly re-educated. The n word is obviously not acceptable here and, hopefully, never will be.

What I find interesting about the word "fuck" is....ok, maybe it's a popular utilitarian word used in informal verbal communication. A sort of "swiss army knife" type filler in conversation. Can be used as a noun, a verb, an adjective, maybe (creatively) as an adverb. Hell, I've heard it used in at least 3 of the forms in the same sentence! ("I don't give a fuck, that fucking guy fucked up.)" Few words in our language have this universal capability. OK, I get that it can just flow in verbal communication. But typing this word out on a posting seems weird...you really have to want to type it out and that takes a conscious effort to do that f-u-c-k. OK, maybe there's "shock value" or a dramatic, decisive flair ("shut the fuckup"!)...but it kinda makes the poster look silly, IMHO. It means nothing in the context of the message and adds no real value to whatever he/she is trying to communicating. Plus, it's has a permanence that verbal use doesn't have. For instance, I say, "I think the word "fuck" is vulgar for use on the board". Someone might respond: "I don't give a fuck". Really? The poster doesn't give fucks? Anytime? Or in this particular instance? How would this "fuck" be conveyed or withheld? How does one "give a fuck" for other comments made? Don't know. It might be awkward to get a clarification, though. Seems to be a word that can shock, but simultaneously says nothing. Thanks for asking.

edbermac

(15,941 posts)
68. Go and boil your bottom, you son of a silly person!
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:21 PM
Feb 2014

I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper!

I fart in your general direction!

Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!

Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!

pipi_k

(21,020 posts)
69. I'm going to limit
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:22 PM
Feb 2014

My definition of "vulgar language" to the usual swear words like shit, hell, damn, fuck, and similar...

I have no problem with hearing them from, or saying them in the presence of, my peers



One thing I do have an issue with is the somewhat childish (IMO) habit some people have of using one of those words without being brave enough to use the entire word

Like using "sh&t". Or "f*ck"

Either use the whole damned word or find another, more acceptable, word instead.

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
71. As I posted earlier, the are times and places
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:26 PM
Feb 2014

for curse words. For instance, when being i troduced to someone for the first time it is likely a better idea to keep the curse words at a minimum. I have always thought that people who use curse words in nearly every sentence need to expand their vocabulary. It does not show much imagination nor creative thinking of any kind to use the crutch of foul language in everyday conversation.

vanlassie

(5,676 posts)
72. To the OPer. If you find yourself using the word "should"
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:28 PM
Feb 2014

a lot with respect to OTHER people's behavior... Take a look at your own shit.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
73. Oh look!
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:31 PM
Feb 2014

It's the Church Lady here to tell everyone how they can and cannot express themselves.

Fuck that.

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
74. Why the Fu*ck word offends anyone is beyond me...
Thu Feb 20, 2014, 11:37 PM
Feb 2014

However, I will usually respect people's sensitivities if I feel their sensitivities are within acceptable parameters. Which is subjective, but we all have opinions and feelings. However, I will not let someone fully dictate what I say, when I say it, or how I say it. I'll consider your objections and process them though. I will also accept any responsibility for my actions and words. If I say something and there is a backlash or I alienate people, then I will accept that as my choice.

As for swearing on the internet. I do not agree with your stance that it's inappropriate and I will personally throw those in every so often if I feel the urge to. I apologize if that offends, but it is what it is.

Response to clydefrand (Original post)

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
85. Vulgar you say ?
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 02:24 AM
Feb 2014

...........well any of you over a certain age know what I'm talking about.

What age would that be ?

I will be 61 in June.

I am a white female.

Fuck has been my favorite word for about 40 years.

I don't use racists words.

Cuss words and racists words are two entirely different things.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
89. I have no problem with the use of vulgarity, but when it is aimed at someone I think it is abusive
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 05:53 AM
Feb 2014

Verbal abuse is not something that is made up. Sure get a thicker skin they'll tell you. But you don't know who you are aiming at when you say things and what effect it may or may not have. I say to someone "you are a fucking idiot" (to be clear I'm not directing this at the OP) and maybe they have buttons you've pushed that you may not be aware of. It makes me chuckle when people on DU talk about compassion for this or that, but when it comes to other people they'll call them every other dirty and degrading word in the dictionary. I guess only certain types of compassion are needed.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
96. fuck conflating the N word with garden variety fuck/shit/asshole, etc
Fri Feb 21, 2014, 03:59 PM
Feb 2014

I take it you fucking hate the rude pundit.

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