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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen is it acceptable to use what some call vulgar language
Such as the F word, the Sh__ word, the N---- word ( I consider that vulgar and racist), .... well any of you over a certain age know what I'm talking about. The rest of you should either know, or should have been brought up to know when you don't use certain types of language. Talking to friends, maybe, but not on the internet. There is no excuse for stupidity/ignorance. (This has nothing to due with 'education').
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Fuck me.
quinnox
(20,600 posts)I even use "the f-word" from time to time. Yea, some use that and other bad words too much, but what can you do. It is their free expression.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)... between using racial or ethnic epithets, slurs based on gender or orientation, religion ...etc ....THESE ARE NEVER OK (in my mind)
"vulgarities" or swear words don't impact me in any way ... but, that is just the way I see it
KentuckyWoman
(6,688 posts)As for the rest it doesn't bother me. Just words. Sometimes a good cuss word comes in handy. And make no mistake about a perfectly clean word can be just as much a cuss word as any other.
alp227
(32,034 posts)Black rappers of course use that word in a different manner from the segregationists.
jsr
(7,712 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)quinnox
(20,600 posts)Now you got me curious.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)That'd get me TS'ed for sure
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Zanzibar?
Zizzer-zazzer-zuzz?
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)billh58
(6,635 posts)Ed: Are there any zombies out there?
Shaun: Don't say that!
Ed: What?
Shaun: That.
Ed: What?
Shaun: That. The Z word. Don't say it.
Ed: Why not?
Shaun: Because it's ridiculous!
Ed: All right... Are there any out there, though?
Shaun of the Dead
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NotUsingTheZWord
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Hell, I go right past that and will use Belgium in mixed company. I am without decency or shame.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)penultimate
(1,110 posts)FSogol
(45,490 posts)Are there no dictionaries anymore?
edbermac
(15,941 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Nobody likes that .... ever!
pipoman
(16,038 posts)To me it is stale about 15 minutes out of the oven.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)Uben
(7,719 posts)...and although I use my fair share of cuss words here, I try to keep them out of the thread titles in case anyone else leaves these pages up on their computers where kids are present. Other than that, I see this as an adult board where heated conversations take place often and I don't care what anyone says...with the exception of any racial epithets. If you want a place where all conversations are docile, go to church or something...that aint here!
Logical
(22,457 posts)Uben
(7,719 posts)/sarcasm
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)I'm not so much into censorship as I am in to speaking to one's conscience.
Autumn
(45,108 posts)If the N---- word gets posted that person should be banned. I use foul language on the Internets often. And seriously " but not on the internet" Have you seen some of the stuff posted on the internet? The F word, the Sh__ word are nothing Try ignore.
Pretzel_Warrior
(8,361 posts)struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)stop listening to that demonic rock and roll music, and most especially stop fornicating!
To do otherwise is not "Progressive"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Pretty much.
Of course, when you mockingly say "get off my lawn", you are using words.
You know who else used words?
That's right- Hitler. Oh, yes... He used words ALL THE TIME.
I hope you're happy, defending Hitler-style activites here on DU.
tblue37
(65,408 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Basically.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]
Cirque du So-What
(25,947 posts)IMO swear words should be used sparingly in order that when one is tactically deployed (the f-bomb, for example), it has maximum effect. At least in my case, when I'm around someone whose every third word is 'fuck' or 'shit,' I very quickly tune out their prattle. After all, curses are meant to convey *STRONG* emotional responses. What, then, are we to make of the guy who asks you to 'pass the fucking sugar'? Like the world's most interesting man, I don't always swear, but when I do, I have a good fucking reason for it!
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)There are times and places where a good strong curseword is usefull. The overuse of such words takes away their effectiveness.
Several years ago I realized I was cursing to myself more than I thought was necessary so I started to say 'sheep dip' instead. It seems that many people are confused as to the meaning of it. I was using the phrase before there was ab Urban Dictionary, so that's not it.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)How lazy is it to let a word do all the work for you? Fuck is no longer a bomb - it's part of a strategic missile placement. I think that's actually good for the language, requiring people to learn word placement and choice.
krawhitham
(4,644 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)Or at least fuck is
http://www.thefuckitlife.com/
And you could be a duck fucker!
fuck (v.)
until recently a difficult word to trace, in part because it was taboo to the editors of the original OED when the "F" volume was compiled, 1893-97. Written form only attested from early 16c. OED 2nd edition cites 1503, in the form fukkit; earliest appearance of current spelling is 1535 -- "Bischops ... may fuck thair fill and be vnmaryit" (Sir David Lyndesay, "Ane Satyre of the Thrie Estaits"), but presumably it is a much more ancient word than that, simply one that wasn't written in the kind of texts that have survived from O.E. and M.E. Buck cites proper name John le Fucker from 1278. The word apparently is hinted at in a scurrilous 15c. poem, titled "Flen flyys," written in bastard Latin and M.E. The relevant line reads:
Non sunt in celi
quia fuccant uuiuys of heli
"They (the monks) are not in heaven because they fuck the wives of (the town of) Ely." Fuccant is pseudo-Latin, and in the original it is written in cipher. The earliest examples of the word otherwise are from Scottish, which suggests a Scandinavian origin, perhaps from a word akin to Norwegian dialectal fukka "copulate," or Swedish dialectal focka "copulate, strike, push," and fock "penis." Another theory traces it to M.E. fyke, fike "move restlessly, fidget," which also meant "dally, flirt," and probably is from a general North Sea Germanic word; cf. M.Du. fokken, Ger. ficken "fuck," earlier "make quick movements to and fro, flick," still earlier "itch, scratch;" the vulgar sense attested from 16c. This would parallel in sense the usual M.E. slang term for "have sexual intercourse," swive, from O.E. swifan "to move lightly over, sweep" (see swivel). But OED remarks these "cannot be shown to be related" to the English word. Chronology and phonology rule out Shipley's attempt to derive it from M.E. firk "to press hard, beat."
Germanic words of similar form (f + vowel + consonant) and meaning 'copulate' are numerous. One of them is G. ficken. They often have additional senses, especially 'cheat,' but their basic meaning is 'move back and forth.' ... Most probably, fuck is a borrowing from Low German and has no cognates outside Germanic. (Liberman)
French foutre and Italian fottere look like the English word but are unrelated, derived rather from L. futuere, which is perhaps from PIE base *bhau(t)- "knock, strike off," extended via a figurative use "from the sexual application of violent action" (Shipley; cf. the sexual slang use of bang, etc.). Popular and Internet derivations from acronyms (and the "pluck yew" fable) are merely ingenious trifling. The O.E. word was hæman, from ham "dwelling, home," with a sense of "take home, co-habit." Fuck was outlawed in print in England (by the Obscene Publications Act, 1857) and the U.S. (by the Comstock Act, 1873). As a noun, it dates from 1670s. The word may have been shunned in print, but it continued in conversation, especially among soldiers during WWI.
It became so common that an effective way for the soldier to express this emotion was to omit this word. Thus if a sergeant said, 'Get your ----ing rifles!' it was understood as a matter of routine. But if he said 'Get your rifles!' there was an immediate implication of urgency and danger. (John Brophy, "Songs and Slang of the British Soldier: 1914-1918," pub. 1930)
The legal barriers broke down in the 20th century, with the "Ulysses" decision (U.S., 1933) and "Lady Chatterley's Lover" (U.S., 1959; U.K., 1960). Johnson excluded the word, and fuck wasn't in a single English language dictionary from 1795 to 1965. "The Penguin Dictionary" broke the taboo in the latter year. Houghton Mifflin followed, in 1969, with "The American Heritage Dictionary," but it also published a "Clean Green" edition without the word, to assure itself access to the lucrative public high school market.
The abbreviation F (or eff) probably began as euphemistic, but by 1943 it was being used as a cuss word, too. In 1948, the publishers of "The Naked and the Dead" persuaded Norman Mailer to use the euphemism fug instead. When Mailer later was introduced to Dorothy Parker, she greeted him with, "So you're the man who can't spell 'fuck' " (The quip sometimes is attributed to Tallulah Bankhead). Hemingway used muck in "For whom the Bell Tolls" (1940). The major breakthrough in publication was James Jones' "From Here to Eternity" (1950), with 50 fucks (down from 258 in the original manuscript). Egyptian legal agreements from the 23rd Dynasty (749-21 B.C.E.) frequently include the phrase, "If you do not obey this decree, may a donkey copulate with you!" (Reinhold Aman, "Maledicta," Summer 1977). Fuck-all "nothing" first recorded 1960.
Verbal phrase fuck up "to ruin, spoil, destroy" first attested c.1916. A widespread group of Slavic words (cf. Pol. pierdoli?) can mean both "fornicate" and "make a mistake." Fuck off attested from 1929; as a command to depart, by 1944. Flying fuck originally meant "have sex on horseback" and is first attested c.1800 in broadside ballad "New Feats of Horsemanship." For the unkillable urban legend that this word is an acronym of some sort (a fiction traceable on the Internet to 1995 but probably predating that) see here, and also here. Related: Fucked; fucking. Agent noun fucker attested from 1590s in literal sense; by 1893 as a term of abuse (or admiration).
DUCK F-CK-R. The man who has the care of the poultry on board a ſhip of war. ("Classical Dictionary of the Vulgar Tongue," 1796)
antiquie
(4,299 posts)In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)As for the N_____ word, I never use that one anywhere.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Did you really post that?
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)No one can tell someone not to be offended.
Well they could, but that would be offensive.
If a person grew up believing that the word 'fuck' was bad and it personally offends them, we have a progressive duty to strike it from all public board usage to ensure we do not offend them.
oldhippie
(3,249 posts)I see what you did there!
RC
(25,592 posts)However, I have met people that do deserved to be offended. Those people, you can use their banned word list in front of them with impunity.
That advice applies to some people on DU too. (Not you though, of course)
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)3catwoman3
(24,007 posts)...more times than I can count, and it completely cracks me up every time. The narrator's dry, pedantic delivery reminds of what we used to call "filmstrips" in elementary school in the late 50s.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)oldhippie
(3,249 posts)It isn't about ignorance nor education. It's about 'TUDE!
Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)Cheers!
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)Cheers!
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)OffWithTheirHeads
(10,337 posts)It's also almost impossible to complete a construction project without them. I was once running a crew installing new HVAC in an old grammer school. We were working in the library. Returning from a break, I observed that one of my crew had made a major fuck up in an installation. When I saw the "fuck up" (a legitimate construction term), I loudly exclaimed "Oh shit". The librarian glared at me and said, and I quote, "LIBRARY VOICE!" then she smiled.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I don't fucking know how one would equate "stupidity/ignorance" with choosing to use vulgar language. That's just fucking ridiculous.
So much fucking pearl clutching going around here lately...I feel like I'm being chewed out by the school fucking principal every day. GET THE FAINTING COUCH READY!!!!
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)the others are vulgar, the n word is pure hate.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)If you feel comfortable telling people WHAT TO DISCUSS ON A DISCUSSION BOARD shouldn't you be calling out the OP for foolishly lumping in the N-word with everything else? It doesn't hold equal weight and you know it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"foolishly lumping in the N-word with everything else...?
Hence, not all words are just words? Else what is the precise,objective and relevant distinction that applies to the N-word so that it loses its status as just a word, but applies to no other words?
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 21, 2014, 04:37 PM - Edit history (1)
You know damned well why the n-word is different.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)HuckleB
(35,773 posts)proudretiredvet
(312 posts)The rest of those bad words I could care less about. I do not speak with those words in my real life and do not use them here. If I can not have a discussion with honesty and using proper english then I need to withdraw and rethink my opinion and presentation.
When others go to those words in an exchange it is very obvious that they are not doing so well with their point of view.
Just me.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)N-bombs, c-bombs, f-bombs (not the "fuck" kind...), are all terms I refuse to use, regardless of how pissed off I am at someone. It's not exactly a hardship, as I have a good stock of other nasties to hurl as people I think deserve it.
proudretiredvet
(312 posts)I learned long ago to mind my tongue and think about my reply. When I have someone scratching their head wondering if they have been insulted then I get a laugh. It takes them two days to figure out what I really called them or told them I get a big laugh.
I called a young man to the head of a formation one day and praised him highly for his ability to communicate and instruct others. Then I gave him the instruction that he would inform the formation how to undo his cranial rectal inversion. I further instructed him that he was to answer all questions posed to him by the assembled troops to ensure that he had completely shared his wealth of knowledge on this subject.
They ask him questions for an hour.
I got called on the carpet for that one but my CO was laughing when he was trying to chew my ass.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)"Just saying."
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)Revanchist
(1,375 posts)On the serious side, I think profanity is allowable when you wish but I don't like the racist, sexist, or gender-based slurs.
randome
(34,845 posts)However, too many use them as a desperate attempt to get attention. To appear to be 'with it'. And then it's just annoying and I tune out.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Nobody can tell me when I can use the cuss word.
Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)The group that hates the b word, the c word, and maybe a few other words seem to use the f word with remarkable fluency. But once they all decide the f word is not OK, the posters using it will be properly re-educated. The n word is obviously not acceptable here and, hopefully, never will be.
What I find interesting about the word "fuck" is....ok, maybe it's a popular utilitarian word used in informal verbal communication. A sort of "swiss army knife" type filler in conversation. Can be used as a noun, a verb, an adjective, maybe (creatively) as an adverb. Hell, I've heard it used in at least 3 of the forms in the same sentence! ("I don't give a fuck, that fucking guy fucked up.)" Few words in our language have this universal capability. OK, I get that it can just flow in verbal communication. But typing this word out on a posting seems weird...you really have to want to type it out and that takes a conscious effort to do that f-u-c-k. OK, maybe there's "shock value" or a dramatic, decisive flair ("shut the fuckup"!)...but it kinda makes the poster look silly, IMHO. It means nothing in the context of the message and adds no real value to whatever he/she is trying to communicating. Plus, it's has a permanence that verbal use doesn't have. For instance, I say, "I think the word "fuck" is vulgar for use on the board". Someone might respond: "I don't give a fuck". Really? The poster doesn't give fucks? Anytime? Or in this particular instance? How would this "fuck" be conveyed or withheld? How does one "give a fuck" for other comments made? Don't know. It might be awkward to get a clarification, though. Seems to be a word that can shock, but simultaneously says nothing. Thanks for asking.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Pretty shitty.
edbermac
(15,941 posts)I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper!
I fart in your general direction!
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!
Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!
pipi_k
(21,020 posts)My definition of "vulgar language" to the usual swear words like shit, hell, damn, fuck, and similar...
I have no problem with hearing them from, or saying them in the presence of, my peers
One thing I do have an issue with is the somewhat childish (IMO) habit some people have of using one of those words without being brave enough to use the entire word
Like using "sh&t". Or "f*ck"
Either use the whole damned word or find another, more acceptable, word instead.
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)for curse words. For instance, when being i troduced to someone for the first time it is likely a better idea to keep the curse words at a minimum. I have always thought that people who use curse words in nearly every sentence need to expand their vocabulary. It does not show much imagination nor creative thinking of any kind to use the crutch of foul language in everyday conversation.
vanlassie
(5,676 posts)a lot with respect to OTHER people's behavior... Take a look at your own shit.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)It's the Church Lady here to tell everyone how they can and cannot express themselves.
Fuck that.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)However, I will usually respect people's sensitivities if I feel their sensitivities are within acceptable parameters. Which is subjective, but we all have opinions and feelings. However, I will not let someone fully dictate what I say, when I say it, or how I say it. I'll consider your objections and process them though. I will also accept any responsibility for my actions and words. If I say something and there is a backlash or I alienate people, then I will accept that as my choice.
As for swearing on the internet. I do not agree with your stance that it's inappropriate and I will personally throw those in every so often if I feel the urge to. I apologize if that offends, but it is what it is.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)That said, I'll make sure to steer clear of the OP's lawn...
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LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)We can totally say fuck.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)...........well any of you over a certain age know what I'm talking about.
What age would that be ?
I will be 61 in June.
I am a white female.
Fuck has been my favorite word for about 40 years.
I don't use racists words.
Cuss words and racists words are two entirely different things.
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Verbal abuse is not something that is made up. Sure get a thicker skin they'll tell you. But you don't know who you are aiming at when you say things and what effect it may or may not have. I say to someone "you are a fucking idiot" (to be clear I'm not directing this at the OP) and maybe they have buttons you've pushed that you may not be aware of. It makes me chuckle when people on DU talk about compassion for this or that, but when it comes to other people they'll call them every other dirty and degrading word in the dictionary. I guess only certain types of compassion are needed.
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)Man, that is fucking funny.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)I take it you fucking hate the rude pundit.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)Fuck YEAH!!!!!
deutsey
(20,166 posts)unblock
(52,253 posts)dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).