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Missouri executes inmate for abducting, raping and killing 15-year-old girl in 1989 (Original Post) The Straight Story Feb 2014 OP
Roast in Hell. RandySF Feb 2014 #1
It's Keefer Feb 2014 #2
I guess if a state insists on executing, this guy was as good a candidate as any. Deep13 Feb 2014 #3
+1 And let's not forget that the one we killed Live and Learn Feb 2014 #5
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind davidn3600 Feb 2014 #4
+1 nt Live and Learn Feb 2014 #6
I hope he was scared. linuxman Feb 2014 #7
Inmate showed no signs of distress during execution ---> Petrushka Feb 2014 #8
That's a shame. MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #44
I am normally against capital punishment, Jenoch Feb 2014 #9
An effective deterrent. Lasher Feb 2014 #10
He got off easy seveneyes Feb 2014 #11
if he didn't figure it out in the last 25 years, he wasn't going to figure it out. magical thyme Feb 2014 #14
I seriously doubt there was ever a remote chance he was going to escape seveneyes Feb 2014 #15
I disagree magical thyme Feb 2014 #18
You have it exactly backwards Major Nikon Feb 2014 #25
The only innocent victim... Lancero Feb 2014 #26
I wasn't claiming he was a victim Major Nikon Feb 2014 #29
"A sad case where society failed the killer" seveneyes Feb 2014 #30
if we failed to stop him from becoming a killer... magical thyme Feb 2014 #55
I would say he had figured it out. LiberalAndProud Feb 2014 #78
I believe what should have happened was yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #42
Shame it took so damn long. PeteSelman Feb 2014 #12
What a bunch of disgusting replies in this thread. morningfog Feb 2014 #13
No kidding. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #16
+1 davidpdx Feb 2014 #17
An eye... Lancero Feb 2014 #27
The difference is if you execute someone and they later turn out to be innocent davidpdx Feb 2014 #31
Same applies to life... Lancero Feb 2014 #33
Segregating murders from society is a given Major Nikon Feb 2014 #32
Both cases... Lancero Feb 2014 #34
Exactly Major Nikon Feb 2014 #36
So what is your choice? yeoman6987 Feb 2014 #43
My point... Lancero Feb 2014 #66
I don't support life without parole except in the most extreme cases, morningfog Feb 2014 #62
+1 alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #20
Yes indeed. Orrex Feb 2014 #61
Agreed. nt Deep13 Feb 2014 #69
The death penalty always makes me uneasy... NaturalHigh Feb 2014 #19
Yeah. HappyMe Feb 2014 #22
I'm still very much against the death penalty in all cases. MrScorpio Feb 2014 #21
I wonder what affect this has on this guy. pintobean Feb 2014 #23
I suspect that they will seek the death penalty. And they'll get it. nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #64
Whatever his fate, I hope he's scared shitless for the rest of his life get the red out Feb 2014 #77
Did the young victim magically spring back to life? TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #24
Is her rapist and murderer... Lancero Feb 2014 #28
Would that realistically happen if someone were incarcerated in max security? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #39
Some people just want to play God TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #51
Her murderer played God too... Lancero Feb 2014 #65
Two wrongs... TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #93
Would he have the chance if he were imprisoned for life? TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #47
What did it cost tax payers to lock him up all these years? B Calm Feb 2014 #35
Less than it did to execute him. nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #38
How much does it cost to execute someone? B Calm Feb 2014 #45
It's nearly double. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #46
The accused has the right to appeal regardless of life or death verdicts, B Calm Feb 2014 #54
And murder in the human race officially ended, and we all lived happily ever after. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #37
I'm conflicted regarding the DP, generally leaning against it, but for you ... 11 Bravo Feb 2014 #40
You don't have to take my word for it. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #41
Carcetti gave you one study nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #80
I am against all death penalty executions. But some bother me less than others... stevenleser Feb 2014 #48
And the MO Attorney General Said "You don't have the right to a pain-free execution" Hayabusa Feb 2014 #49
Should have happened 25 years ago MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #50
I agree get the red out Feb 2014 #52
Yes, instead your taxes were wasted in a vain effort for "deterrance" and "closure." nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #53
Not wasted in the least MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #56
So why is the death penalty "justice" to you? nt Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #57
Because I understand free will MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #60
I would say pretty much everyone else here feels the same. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #88
Not at all MO_Moderate Feb 2014 #90
Right. People who murder other people deserve to be punished. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #91
There is nothing inherently wrong with the Death Penalty JJChambers Feb 2014 #58
Even in circumstances where culpability is not in doubt, there are still many mitigating factors: Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #59
"aggravating factors" ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #67
Things such as mental competency and other concerns are inevitably going to be factors. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2014 #92
Oh, sure ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #95
There is everything inherently wrong with the death penalty. morningfog Feb 2014 #70
No JJChambers Feb 2014 #71
No what? morningfog Feb 2014 #73
Why? JJChambers Feb 2014 #74
And you will increase the number of people executed who were not guilty nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #81
No you wont JJChambers Feb 2014 #82
Yes you will, nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #83
You're being illogical JJChambers Feb 2014 #84
Yup, why a few governors are starting to reject it nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #85
Sigh JJChambers Feb 2014 #86
Your solution is with the appeals nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #87
So cops, prosecutors, witnesses, investigators, and jurors are completely infallible? Major Nikon Feb 2014 #89
I agree he got off easy. CFLDem Feb 2014 #63
Not shedding a tear ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2014 #68
I support the DP provided the defendant has competent representation. MicaelS Feb 2014 #72
Fresh air Ticktock Feb 2014 #75
While I cant say I feel a bit bad for his death 1awake Feb 2014 #76
The murder was 25 years ago by a young man whose thinking at the time was disordered struggle4progress Feb 2014 #79
What fraction of an innocent are you willing to kill to execute him? Donald Ian Rankin Feb 2014 #94

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
3. I guess if a state insists on executing, this guy was as good a candidate as any.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:11 AM
Feb 2014

Still, I think violence by the state encourages people to think of violence as a legitimate solution to problems. Societies with merciful criminal penalties invariably have less violent crime than we do.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
5. +1 And let's not forget that the one we killed
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:35 AM
Feb 2014

has innocent family members that we tortured as well. Killing is wrong, period!

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
7. I hope he was scared.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:50 AM
Feb 2014

Fuck him.

That piece of shit got to spend 10 more years in prison than she did on earth.

We'll never know what she might have been. We know what he was.

We are better off.

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
10. An effective deterrent.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:01 AM
Feb 2014

We can now be certain that Michael Taylor will never again rape and kill a 15 year old schoolgirl.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
11. He got off easy
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 07:14 AM
Feb 2014

No good can come from the death penalty. He was given the easy way out painlessly. Captivity would have given him the rest of his life to realize what he did was wrong. The DP is not a deterrent.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
14. if he didn't figure it out in the last 25 years, he wasn't going to figure it out.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:02 AM
Feb 2014

Imprisoning somebody for life is cruel and inhumane. Euthanasia is humane.

No, it's not a deterrent to others. But now there is no chance that he will escape and take another innocent life.

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
15. I seriously doubt there was ever a remote chance he was going to escape
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:16 AM
Feb 2014

Any person capable of raping, torturing and painfully killing others like this guy would be deterred more by facing a life of isolation rather than a painless, easy way out of this mortal coil. The death penalty is wrong, no matter how one tries to rationalize it.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
18. I disagree
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:33 AM
Feb 2014

No matter how much the anti-death penalty people try to rationalize their beliefs.

A person capable of raping, torturing and painfully killing others isn't thinking about getting caught when they are doing their raping, torturing and painfully killing.

And I don't believe that torturing the torturer-killer through isolation and imprisonment is in any way more humane than euthanasia. If anything, it is less so.

I do believe that in cases where the is absolutely no doubt who did the torturing and murdering, euthanasia is preferable to imprisonment. And I do believe that the "death penalty" should be approached as "euthanasia." A sad case where society failed the killer, cannot reasonably expect to rehabilitate the killer, and cannot allow the killer back on the street.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
25. You have it exactly backwards
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:11 AM
Feb 2014

Any punishment needs to be rationalized, not the other way around. I have yet to see anyone rationalize the death penalty.

"absolutely no doubt" is an impossible legal standard which is why it's never been used and you will never see it. So long as people are being put to death there will inevitably be innocent victims of state sanctioned murder.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
26. The only innocent victim...
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:18 AM
Feb 2014

Was the 15 year old girl who was raped and murdered.

The guy they put down? That wasn't a victim. It wasn't even human. Raping and murdering a child isn't the action of a human being. It's the action of a rabid animal, a beast with no morality. A monster.

Some people can be rehabilitated. Some crimes are so heinous that rehabilitation isn't worth the risk of the person receding.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
29. I wasn't claiming he was a victim
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:24 AM
Feb 2014

I'm saying that anytime a punishment is irrevocable, there will be innocent victims. Some we know about. Inevitably most we won't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

 

seveneyes

(4,631 posts)
30. "A sad case where society failed the killer"
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:34 AM
Feb 2014

I really don't know how to respond to such a statement. Nothing in our society can even come close to creating or being the cause of such a killer. The only failure is the killers failure to be a human being and value another human life.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
55. if we failed to stop him from becoming a killer...
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:59 AM
Feb 2014

I'm thinking of the usual defense of "horrible childhood." If that is the case, and we (as a society) failed to notice, or noticed and failed to intervene, or if our intervention was to ship him from one bad foster home after another or make matters worse, then we failed as a society to help grow a decent member of society versus a torturer and murderer.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
78. I would say he had figured it out.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:56 PM
Feb 2014
The 47-year-old had pleaded guilty. But his attorneys launched a string of appeals, including one asserting the drugs used for lethal injection could subject him to a slow and tortuous death.

Before his execution, Taylor told Reuters that he had great remorse for his crime and said it was fueled by crack cocaine.

"I hurt for her family... No words can express the pain and anguish that they have lived with through the years. I can only wish them peace, and pray there will come a day when they can forgive me," Taylor said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/26/us-usa-missouri-execution-taylor-idUSBREA1P0A020140226


His remorse doesn't mitigate the crime. It doesn't restore Ann or her family. Neither does his death. I don't feel either good or bad about this execution. Done is done.



 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
42. I believe what should have happened was
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:31 AM
Feb 2014

that he spend the rest of his life in solitary confinement with NOTHING but a cot and bread and water forever and that is it. One toilet and no ability to see the outside including no going outside for an hour a day. That would be a punishment and a chance for him to ponder his deeds.

PeteSelman

(1,508 posts)
12. Shame it took so damn long.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 07:35 AM
Feb 2014

Why is the DP more costly and inefficient? Because it takes 25+ years to be carried out. These assholes should have been marched out of their first appeal courtroom and hanged. Quick, easy, cheap.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
17. +1
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:25 AM
Feb 2014

We should be opposed to the death penalty. An eye for an eye only kills another person and doesn't bring back the victim. While I agree his crime was heinous, he deserved to be locked up for the rest of his life not killed. It's a shame that Missouri still has the DP.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
27. An eye...
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:23 AM
Feb 2014

Can be taken in many ways.

Some want to execute a person, to quickly remove them.

Some want to throw them in a cage, to let them suffer til they die of age.

In the end, neither side can claim to be humane in their actions. Both cases require a special kind of evil to support, both supporters are of seperate mindsets that are equally cruel.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
31. The difference is if you execute someone and they later turn out to be innocent
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:40 AM
Feb 2014

good luck bringing them back to life. Yes, both are forms of punishment. No arguing there. If you look at the DP at a form of torture, then it's pretty easy to see which one is worse.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
33. Same applies to life...
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:51 AM
Feb 2014

Innocents have been executed. Innocents have also spent the rest of their lives in prison.

Can you bring the innocents who spent the rest of their lives in prison back?

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
32. Segregating murders from society is a given
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:47 AM
Feb 2014

The death penalty is not.

Those two things are not equal.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
36. Exactly
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:00 AM
Feb 2014

But those two methods are not equal. One is irrevocable and is considered a human rights violation by virtually all of the civilized world with the exception being the US and most despotic shitholes.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
43. So what is your choice?
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:34 AM
Feb 2014

I don't understand what you have against throwing them in a cage to let them suffer til they die of age (I am sure you meant old age). You believe that this is evil? What is your solution? If we could have an adopt a prisoner program perhaps having him stay at your house for life would be the better option. I seriously don't understand your post.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
62. I don't support life without parole except in the most extreme cases,
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 12:08 PM
Feb 2014

and even then, the person most likely needs mental treatment in a hospital.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
21. I'm still very much against the death penalty in all cases.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:52 AM
Feb 2014

However, I would have been fine with this murderer living the rest of his entire natural life behind bars.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
23. I wonder what affect this has on this guy.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:56 AM
Feb 2014
http://www.stltoday.com/news/national/child-porn-found-at-coach-s-home-in-springfield-mo/article_2a651f70-4e25-5b77-98c6-3a91af5bc97e.html

Child porn found at coach's home in Springfield, Mo., girl's killing

SPRINGFIELD, Mo. • A police search of the southwest Missouri home of a middle-school football coach accused in a 10-year-old girl's kidnapping and death found child pornography and more than a dozen guns, according to search warrants released Friday.

Officers retrieved a three-ring binder containing pornographic photos of young children at the home of Craig Michael Wood, the documents released by Springfield police say. Investigators also seized computers, cameras, 30 video recordings, handwritten journals, a spent .22 caliber shell casing and a hat believed to have been worn by fourth-grader Hailey Owens.

Wood is accused of snatching Hailey as she walked home from her best friend's house this week, just two blocks from her own home. Neighbors said they watched in horror and unsuccessfully gave chase as Hailey was pulled into a pickup truck that sped away.

At a brief hearing Friday, Wood's lawyer said he plans to plead not guilty. Wood appeared via video from the Greene County Jail, where he is being held without bond. He spoke only briefly to answer several questions from the judge. Hailey's parents, older brother and five other family members also attended.


Her body was found in his house. He shot her in the head.
Hailey Owens will be laid to rest this afternoon. May she rest in peace.

Whatever his fate, I hope he's scared shitless for the rest of his life.

TroglodyteScholar

(5,477 posts)
51. Some people just want to play God
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:50 AM
Feb 2014

How do so many people conclude that they know who ought to die and when...?

Good people become supporters of murder when they let the need for revenge take over. How don't they see that?

TroglodyteScholar

(5,477 posts)
47. Would he have the chance if he were imprisoned for life?
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:46 AM
Feb 2014

No?

Huh.

The bloodlust around here is depressing.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
46. It's nearly double.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:44 AM
Feb 2014
http://www.nbcrightnow.com/story/15519792/what-costs-more-the-death-penalty-or-life-in-prison

And yes, death penalty costs could be reduced by limiting the right of appeal. But then you'd be talking about serious Constitutional violations, not to mention possible executions of wrongfully accused persons.

It's not worth it.
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
54. The accused has the right to appeal regardless of life or death verdicts,
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:52 AM
Feb 2014

that said maybe I should word it what does the execution cost after all the trials vs the cost to keep the accused in prison the rest of their life?

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
37. And murder in the human race officially ended, and we all lived happily ever after.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:03 AM
Feb 2014

Not really, but it doesn't stop people from thinking that the death penalty is an actual deterrent or that it offers closure to the victim's families.....neither of which is actually true.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
40. I'm conflicted regarding the DP, generally leaning against it, but for you ...
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:24 AM
Feb 2014

to claim to speak for all "victim's families" demonstrates an almost incomprehensible level of arrogance.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
41. You don't have to take my word for it.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:31 AM
Feb 2014
http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/01/27/study-executions-do-not-bring-closure-to-victims-families/


Study: Executions Do Not Bring Closure To Victims’ Families

January 27, 2014 11:28 PM

AUSTIN, TX (CBS Houston) – According to a new study, executions do not heal the victims’ families.

The study also said that the primary reason people say they support the death penalty is based on an incorrect assumption: that the death of the murderer would bring satisfaction and closure to the victim’s family.

Researchers from the University of Minnesota and from the University of Texas at Austin conducted the survey. Minnesota has no death penalty, and Texas leads the nation in executions.

Researchers conducted personal interviews then compared family survivors’ experiences in Minnesota with those in Texas. The victim’s family members in Minnesota showed higher levels of physical, psychological, and behavior health, than those in Texas. They also showed a higher level of satisfaction with the criminal justice system.
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
80. Carcetti gave you one study
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:15 PM
Feb 2014

but there are many that show that there is no closure for MOST families.

And then there is the cost of actually executing the perp. It is actually cheaper to keep them in jail for life.

Hayabusa

(2,135 posts)
49. And the MO Attorney General Said "You don't have the right to a pain-free execution"
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 10:47 AM
Feb 2014

or something very similar. Fuck that guy.

 

MO_Moderate

(377 posts)
56. Not wasted in the least
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:06 AM
Feb 2014

The mere possibility that somebody might be deterred or feel even a tiny bit of closure, is worth it. But, then again, it's not about money, deterrence or closure with me, it's about justice.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
88. I would say pretty much everyone else here feels the same.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:04 AM
Feb 2014

What's that got to do with the death penalty?

If you don't support the death penalty, you support murder???

 

MO_Moderate

(377 posts)
90. Not at all
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:57 AM
Feb 2014

I understand and respect why some do not support the death penalty.

For me personally, people know the punishment for murdering another person and they choose to accept that punishment when they choose to murder.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
91. Right. People who murder other people deserve to be punished.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:01 AM
Feb 2014

But specifically as to the death penalty.....

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
58. There is nothing inherently wrong with the Death Penalty
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:11 AM
Feb 2014

In cases where there is truly no doubt as to the convicted's guilt, the death penalty should be applied immediately after sentencing by hanging or firing squad. This would be far more cost effective than life in prison. Simply create a new legal standard for DP cases -- change it from beyond a reasonable doubt to beyond any doubt. Require some form of indisputable physical evidence to reach this standard.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
59. Even in circumstances where culpability is not in doubt, there are still many mitigating factors:
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 11:16 AM
Feb 2014

Just for example, mental competency, aggravating factors, the subjective "heinous" test used by the state to determine what is and isn't a death penalty case.

To do away with appeals would be an affront to due process in this country.

It's so much easier to eliminate a method of "justice" that has no deterrent effect or real closure effect to victim's loved ones, and is hypocritical in its very nature.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
67. "aggravating factors"
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 01:51 PM
Feb 2014

Be very interested to hear what you consider an "aggravating factor" in the rape and murder of a 15 year old girl. Please keep the cold and heartless lawyer-speak rhetoric to a minimum.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
92. Things such as mental competency and other concerns are inevitably going to be factors.
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:06 AM
Feb 2014

I'm sorry you want to diminish such talk as "cold and heartless lawyer speak", but the law is not supposed to be emotional, irrational and an outlet for revenge and vengeance. No matter how horrific the crime.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
95. Oh, sure
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 07:46 PM
Feb 2014

Meanwhile, such lines of defense as "The young lady was being provocative" and "She misled him as to her intentions" from some of our great upstanding defense attorneys in this country is just good solid legal casework and no reason to become "emotional" and "irrational" about the law at all. Save the condescending pap about the nobility and integrity of the criminal defense attorney for someone who would buy it.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
70. There is everything inherently wrong with the death penalty.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:39 PM
Feb 2014

That is why most countries ban it and why the US will too.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
73. No what?
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 04:30 PM
Feb 2014

You are on the wrong side of history so to speak. The barbaric practice of state sanctioned murder is becoming less palpable across the world and the country. We are in the vast minority of nations still practicing it.

It is always wrong.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
74. Why?
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:05 PM
Feb 2014

Why is it always wrong? I say it's only wrong when applied to cases with dubious convictions. In cases where there is literally NO doubt, I think the death penalty COULD be a cost effective, permanent solution to ridding society of it's garbage. Raise the legal standard to require concrete evidence (not eyewitnesses or uncorroborated confessions), reduce the number of appeals to 1, and carry out executions immediately following an unsuccessful appeal.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
81. And you will increase the number of people executed who were not guilty
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:17 PM
Feb 2014

there is a reason why we have the appeal system. Regardless, the US is on the wrong side of history on this one, and the trend now is for it's end. It will come. In my lifetime even.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
82. No you wont
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:28 PM
Feb 2014

I strongly prefaced my death penalty advocacy with the stipulation that the standard be raised and death penalty cases require a concrete evidence. When I say concrete evidence, I'm talking about physical, tangible evidence such as DNA, video, and other scientific forensic evidence.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
83. Yes you will,
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:33 PM
Feb 2014

and you are on the wrong side of history. We live in a very vindictive society. Some of our issues are self inflicted. We are not about reducing crime, but only punishing the perps.

If you want to believe that you will reduce innocents getting executing with DNA evidence, I will welcome you to your fantasy.

 

JJChambers

(1,115 posts)
84. You're being illogical
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:38 PM
Feb 2014

Claiming that raising the standard to a higher level of proof for death penalty sentences will somehow increase the number of innocents executed is just silly.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
85. Yup, why a few governors are starting to reject it
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:42 PM
Feb 2014

as I said, you are welcome to your fantasy, revenge fantasy no less.

As is the cost of a life in prison trial, and keeping the perp in for life is far cheaper than a DP trial. The trail alone averages over 1 million dollars. Keeping the perp in jail and trial cost is much lower. So just from a financial standpoint, it makes sense.

Plus there is ALWAYS the risk of making a mistake. Yes, you could share, highly unlikely, but you could, DNA with an actual perp. Hey DNA did convict, right? And that is where your risk lies.

Here, for your lovely reading

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2010/1003.bobelian.html

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
87. Your solution is with the appeals
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:50 PM
Feb 2014

I am talking the actual trial, which is the bulk of that cost. We are talking a million dollars average. For that I can keep three to four of these perps, including trial cost, behind bars for the rest of their lives. And if perchance we all made a mistake, it happens, we can free them, with a nice payout. Check the Innocence project for that. Now you cannot quite free somebody if they are four feet under, now can you?

http://www.innocenceproject.org/

Here are some numbers, and my god, I am dated with the data. In California we are talking now in the Billion category

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty

And that is before the first appeal is filed.

Just as an economic issue makes sense to get rid of it.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
72. I support the DP provided the defendant has competent representation.
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 03:56 PM
Feb 2014

I believe some people should be executed because their crime is so reprehensible the people committing them have lost their right to live. I consider them unworthy of rehabilitation or redemption, and it is a waste of time and resources to try and rehabilitate them.

Now, I MIGHT be willing to abolish the DP provided that it was replaced by Life Without Parole, and for the very worst Life Without Parole in Solitary Confinement 23 hours a day.

But as soon as the Death Penalty was abolished, the very next thing that would happen is people would start advocating for the abolition of Life Without Parole on the grounds that it was inhumane, and that the murderer really deserved rehabilitation, redemption and release back into society.

Evidence right here....

http://www.thenation.com/article/170852/life-without-parole-different-death-penalty

 

Ticktock

(19 posts)
75. Fresh air
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:16 PM
Feb 2014

The air i'm breathing today feels a bit fresher knowing it wont be circulated through this particular human's lungs ever again.

I have zero problem with the death penalty. NONE in cases like this.

You commit a crime like this with circumstances like this and you lose all basic rights as a human being, IMHO.

I've got a lot more important things to shed tears over than some degenerate murdering raping pedophile being put to death. Give me a break.

1awake

(1,494 posts)
76. While I cant say I feel a bit bad for his death
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 05:22 PM
Feb 2014

I am against the death penalty. I am also against life sentences.

struggle4progress

(118,294 posts)
79. The murder was 25 years ago by a young man whose thinking at the time was disordered
Wed Feb 26, 2014, 06:05 PM
Feb 2014

by his drug dependence. It was a disgusting crime. But IMO there's good reason to think that in many cases such criminals can be rehabilitated

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
94. What fraction of an innocent are you willing to kill to execute him?
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:14 PM
Feb 2014

If the state executes anyone ever, it will sometimes execute the wrong people.

That's not a price worth paying when there are working prisons.

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