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bvar22

(39,909 posts)
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:17 PM Feb 2014

Keystone Pipeline being built with FOREIGN Steel??!!!

TransCanada Will Import Much Of The Steel For The Pipeline.

TransCanada has claimed that the Keystone XL pipeline would create 7,000 manufacturing jobs in the U.S. But an independent analysis called that figure "unsubstantiated and misleading" because TransCanada has already signed contracts to purchase "almost half" of the pipeline materials from companies abroad.

TransCanada has acknowledged that it has already spent $1.9 billion on 100 miles of pipe, which is now being stored in yards and warehouses. After receiving information from pipeline company Welspun Tubular that some of the steel pipe for the project was produced in India, Democrats on the House Energy and Commerce Committee asked TransCanada to "immediately disclose where the steel to be used in Keystone XL is manufactured."

Citing TransCanada's history of using low-quality, foreign-made steel to build U.S. pipelines -- [font size=3]even as unemployed American manufacturers sat idly by[/font] -- the United Steelworkers union also said it would only support TransCanada's application for the Keystone XL pipeline if steps were taken to ensure "a domestic supply chain."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/02/14/keystone-xl-five-stories-not-told/184157



Insult to injury
Bad for American Workers
GREAT for the Corporate Bottom Line


Next time someone blathers on about all the Jobs created by building the Pipeline,
be sure to remind them that the new jobs are in INDIA!




[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font]
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Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center]
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TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
1. Have to wonder why we didn't make it a condition of allowing the pipeline
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:21 PM
Feb 2014

to use only US-manufactured steel, especially to ensure quality control and safety--since it's our aquifer at stake.

 

badtoworse

(5,957 posts)
3. Do we actually still roll the plate needed to fabricate the pipe?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:24 PM
Feb 2014

Steel making in this country isn't close to what it used to be. For that reason, much of the steel we'll need to build or rebuild infrastructure will have to be imported. In my opinion, it's a disgrace that we let that happen.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. It's "being built"?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:29 PM
Feb 2014

"Keystone Pipeline being built with FOREIGN Steel??!!!"

The piece is from 2012. Is there any updated information?

Steelworkers just had a victory.

Ohio steelmakers, senators applaud crackdown on China

By Steve Bennish

Ohio’s senators and an Ohio steel industry organization Wednesday applauded a U.S. Department of Commerce decision to more comprehensively enforce actions against Chinese oil pipeline manufacturers who export product at artificially low prices.

The illegal international trade practice is known as product dumping. Because of the decision, the senators said, products exported from China, even when treated in another nation on the way to the U.S., will be subject to anti-dumping and countervailing duties. The dispute over the dumping dates to 2008 and involves billions of dollars of pipe exported from China.

Ohio Senator Sherrod Brown said this case “focused on whether minor alterations made to Chinese (pipe) in other countries were enough to change the products’ country of origin.” With the ruling, pipe “made in China and finished in other countries will still face existing trade enforcement penalties,” Brown said.

<...>

Senator Sherrod Brown, a Democrat, called the Commerce ruling “excellent news for Ohio’s workers and manufacturers like those at U. S. Steel and Vallourec Star. This decision makes it clear that countries like China can’t use loopholes to circumvent international law and evade anti-dumping and countervailing duties. Our steelmakers can compete with anyone in the world, and now we’ve taken a step towards leveling the playing field and protecting domestic jobs

- more -

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/ohio-steelmakers-senators-applaud-commerce-decisio/ndMSN/


Duties on Illegally Traded Chinese Steel Pipe Will Protect American Workers

PITTSBURGH – United Steelworkers (USW) International President Leo W. Gerard issued the following statement after the U.S. Department of Commerce (DOC) announced that it would maintain antidumping and countervailing duties on Chinese steel pipe imports:

“With thousands of family supporting jobs at stake, we applaud the DOC ruling to protect American workers. When our international trade partners break the law, we rightly depend on our government to enforce it to protect our communities and prevent the continued erosion of our industrial base.”

“The USW is especially grateful to Senators Sherrod Brown and Rob Portman of Ohio for their leadership in calling on DOC to prevent Chinese pipe producers from exploiting a loophole that would have enabled them to avoid existing antidumping and countervailing duties by changing a product’s ‘country of origin’ after minor alterations elsewhere.”

“Domestic manufacturers have been dealing with the consequences of unfair foreign trade for decades, and we remain committed to fight to level the playing field for American workers to compete globally.”

The USW represents 850,000 men and women employed in metals, mining, pulp and paper, rubber, chemicals, glass, auto supply and the energy-producing industries, along with a growing number of workers in public sector and service occupations.

http://www.usw.org/news/media-center/releases/2014/duties-on-illegally-traded-chinese-steel-pipe-will-protect-american-workers


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024503984

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
6. Do YOU hane anything that deals specifically with the steel being used by TransCanada?
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:40 PM
Feb 2014

The article I posted today cites steel imports from India....NOT China.
(Hey everybody...Look over HERE!!!)

Ed Schultz talked about the use of foreign steel in building the pipeline TODAY
on his broadcast.
That is what prompted me to post this OP.

If YOU can post information that refutes the title line of the OP
[font size=3]"Keystone Pipeline being built with FOREIGN Steel"[/font]
I'll take it down.
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I'll wait.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
7. Well,
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:43 PM
Feb 2014

"Ed Schultz talked about the use of foreign steel in building the pipeline TODAY on his broadcast. "

...I'm asking if there is any updated information since 2012. I mean, the project hasn't been approved, has it?

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
10. You seem unaware that many sections of the pipeline have already been built.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 07:06 PM
Feb 2014
[font size=3]Texas Segment of Keystone XL Pipeline Starts Flowing[/font]
Wednesday, January 22, 2014

"More than a year after TransCanada crews started felling trees and digging trenches in East Texas, the southern segment of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline—known as the Gulf Coast Project—will start delivering oil to Texas refineries today."

http://www.texasobserver.org/texas-segment-keystone-xl-pipeline-starts-flowing/





If you had bothered to read the clip in the OP,
you would have seen:
[font size=3]"TransCanada has acknowledged that it has already spent $1.9 billion on 100 miles of pipe, which is now being stored in yards and warehouses.[/font]

The ONLY section that need the approval of the White House is the part that crosses the International Border with Canada.

For someone who spends so much time on DU,
you sure seem to have trouble keeping up.

Maybe IF you would read MORE,
and type LESS,
the problem wouldn't be so embarrassing.

No charge.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
12. OK. Maybe a visual aid will help you see the truth:
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 07:27 PM
Feb 2014

HERE is a photo of the last leg of the Keystone Pipeline being built:

"Texas Segment of Keystone XL Pipeline Starts Flowing"

The OP was about foreign steel being used in the building of the Keystone Pipeline.
You have tried several of your characteristic diversions to avoid actually discussing the issue raised in the OP,... some of them quite embarrassing.


Again the same challenge:
Do you have ANYTHING that refutes the claim in the OP,
or are you just looking for an audience for your BS Tap Dancing away from the issue??

"Keystone Pipeline being built with FOREIGN Steel??!!!
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.
I'll wait,
and appreciate the kicks!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
14. "HERE is a photo of the last leg of the Keystone Pipeline being built: "
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 08:49 PM
Feb 2014

Yup, that's the "last leg" of the pipeline to Canada. It goes from OK to TX.


"You have tried several of your characteristic diversions to avoid actually discussing the issue raised in the OP,... some of them quite embarrassing. "

Yes, I'm embarrassed that I had no idea the pipeline was completed. Guess everyone can stop worrying about it "being built."

Wonder if Obama knows he doesn't have to worry about making a decision on an already completed pipeline?

Anyway, thanks for schooling me.

And here's a kick.

You're welcome.

OhioChick

(23,218 posts)
15. No victory for these steelworkers
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:17 PM
Feb 2014
U.S. Steel announces layoffs at Lorain Tubular Operations

Feb 25, 2014



LORAIN, Ohio - U.S. Steel is expected to conduct layoffs at its Lorain Tubular Operations, the company confirmed this morning.

"We continually review and analyze business conditions and the impact they have on our customers. As a result of business conditions we are adjusting production at our Lorain Tubular Operations. While we have made every effort to maintain employment levels at our operations; unfortunately we must now adjust our workforce to match our production levels. The United Steelworkers have been notified. We cannot speculate on future business decisions at this time."

Further information about the number of employees affected or a timeline has not been released.

Newsnet5.com has a reporter gathering more information today and will update this story as details become available.

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-lorain/us-steel-announces-layoffs-at-lorain-tubular-operations

Historic NY

(37,453 posts)
5. Essentially, a foreign government coming in here with thier..
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:40 PM
Feb 2014

shitty tar sand oil. They only can sell overseas to Asia because its not wanted here. They were too lazy to develop their own port. Foreign oil, foreign steel and how many foreign laborers working for less than union scale. At least when they bought the bridge from London in Lake Havasu city, it was put together by American labor.

TheKentuckian

(25,029 posts)
8. Run that piece of shit sludge pipe through Canada, if Canadians want it so bad.
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 06:46 PM
Feb 2014

I can think of a person that would probably love it to run through his house and water supply.

 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
16. If steel from India...
Fri Feb 28, 2014, 11:39 PM
Feb 2014

is as good as programmers from India or tech support from India we are in for a huge problem.

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