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aquart
(69,014 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Or that Putin is Hitler?
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)he is a dangerous person and he is ambitious.
We can do many things to hurt Russia that will never enter the realm of open conflict or military support for Ukraine.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)They arent in charge here and they aren't in charge in Ukraine.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)A corollary to Godwins Law of Nazi Analogies states that once a comparison to Hitler or the Nazis is made in an online discussion, the thread ends and the person who mentioned Hitler automatically loses the argument. In some cases, however, the rule doesn't apply - such as when the behavior of other totalitarian regimes is discussed.
I never thought the day would come that I would say this, but it no longer applies to discussing my country, Russia. Heres a Nazi analogy.
It is not only the same people but above all a long communal history and culture which bind together the Reich and Austria, Adolf Hitler said in February, 1938.
On March 11, Austrian Nazis seized power in Vienna, and the following day, Josef Goebbels read this statement from Adolf Hitler on German and Austrian radio: The German Reich will not tolerate persecution of Germans in this region because they belong to our country or because they hold certain opinions. There must be peace and order. I have therefore decided to help the millions of Germans in Austria with the resources of the Reich. Since this morning, soldiers of the German Wehrmacht have marched over the German-Austrian borders. The new National Socialist government in Vienna has itself summoned panzer troops, infantry divisions, and SS legions on the ground and the German Luftwaffe in the blue sky. Our soldiers guarantee that the Austrian people will shortly be given the opportunity to determine their future themselves and thereby their fate with a plebiscite."
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)Really bad idea.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)invasion. Can you say the same?
reformist2
(9,841 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)to confront his military.
Heck of a plan.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)I'm sure it is.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)aggression unless it is absolutely necessary for self-defense. I recognize Russia's use of its military in Crimea for what it is. I hope and expect that the EU/US will respond non-militarily to this aggression. Allowing it to go unpunished will not bring us "peace in our time".
bemildred
(90,061 posts)And Putin on a bear, that's really convincing.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)well should be massing our troops in Ukraine.
Nazi Nazi Nazi.
Fuck.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Ohio4theWin
(60 posts)...../nm
tkmorris
(11,138 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)club drive, it's an honest analysis from someone who knows. He's not going to shill for Putin the way you have. He sees the oppression within Russia and the violent agression Russia has shown to it's neighbors and recognizes the signs. It's a pity you don't.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)1.Is a vital national security interest threatened?
2.Do we have a clear attainable objective?
3.Have the risks and costs been fully and frankly analyzed?
4.Have all other non-violent policy means been fully exhausted?
5.Is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?
6.Have the consequences of our action been fully considered?
7.Is the action supported by the American people?
8.Do we have genuine broad international support?
Except in that in the case of Russia, 8 does not apply, since Russia never has broad international support.
Putin has therefore applied overwhelming force to attain a limited objective.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)and overtly through the IMF and World Bank.
Regardless the US doesn't shy away from taking action if they/we think a "vital national security interest is threatened".
Its pretty astonishing that people think Putin is going to let Russia's access to its only warm water port be jeopardized. Sure the "protection" of ethnic Russians is a sorry excuse for his actions but has the US been any less of a liar when its tried to justify some of its military actions?
The US has done as much when it thinks any of its "assets" are in trouble (like the United Fruit Company in Central and South America for example, or even our war in Iraq for their oil - "assets" of far less geopolitical value that Sevastopol is to Russia).
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Also possibly a bear rapist.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)and more:
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=ukraine+anschluss&oq=ukraine+anschluss&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i53.3207.6100.0.6204.17.6.0.11.11.0.67.382.6.6.0...0.0...1ac.1.1A1OuKHP7Q8
11,300 hits and climbing
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Which on the face of it is an inherently untrue statement. But it's not a good argument for this specific instance, either.
If I had a nickel for every time I've seen something or someone compared to the Nazis and Hitler, I would be a rich man, Steve.
However I have to say your attempt to deform a Hitler quote enough to fit it into Putin's mouth is somewhat uncommon.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)circumstances.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Marr
(20,317 posts)And before you say it-- yes, I know you aren't openly arguing for war. But this is pro-war rhetoric. You don't compare a foreign leader to Hitler because you want to broker peace, and if you do, you're a sucker. The people who want war live on this kind of talk. It's the bullshit in which they thrive and grow.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Putin is engaging in the anschluss of Crimea.
That has nothing to do with our response.
Marr
(20,317 posts)GW Bush was publicly "against invading Iraq", you know. Just saying that doesn't change the fact that the rhetoric is undeniably war-enabling.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)And the similarities are uncanny.
I've noticed that you have not attempted to address this comparison.
Why not?
Marr
(20,317 posts)Bigfoot prints, Edward Snowden as Russian super-spy, Banghazi-gate...
Just because "people are talking about it" doesn't mean it's reasonable. But you go right ahead. I'm sure Fox will love this angle.