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(135,425 posts)Putin is the "gift" that keeps on giving. He changes the rules so he can rule forever. And of course, he counts the votes (like Porgie did).
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)...who gassed many of his own countrymen to death. So at least it's understandable for Democrats to consider the intelligence we now know Bush fabricated as at least being plausible at the time.
That's nothing like invading a country to "save" an ethnic group from a false threat.
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
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Scuba
(53,475 posts)Oh yeah, no oil.
ConservativeDemocrat
(2,720 posts)...although even the Chinese are getting pretty sick of it by now.
Let's also not forget their dirty nuclear bombs and artillery which could devastate Seoul.
But the choice for Democrats wasn't really about which country to attack (if any). It was whether Democrats could say no when the President of the United States identified Saddam as a major threat and said he had WMDs. It's easy for perennial haters of the Democratic party to pile on now, but it was incredibly difficult to say no at the time.
"During the lead-up to the invasion, I was concerned that the hell-bent focus on invading Iraq was being driven by agendas and strategic objectives that had nothing to do with terrorism or the 9/11 attacks. The overt rationale for the invasion was exceedingly weak, particularly given that it would lead to an open-ended, incalculably costly, and intensely risky preemptive war. Around the same time, it was revealed that an invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein had been high on the agenda of various senior administration officials long before September 11. Despite these doubts, concerns, and grounds for ambivalence, I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the presidents performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country(*).
- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community
neverforget
(9,437 posts)absolutely NOTHING to do with 9/11?
I piled on the war supporters in the run up to the war because I knew it was wrong. As a Democrat, I KNEW that Bush, Cheney and the rest of the Neo-cons were lying. They had a history of making Saddam the bogey man since the first Gulf War.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)By the time Junior hit the scene, Saddam was a toothless tiger, as "Democrats" should have known. Protesters around the world knew they were being lied to; "Democrats" should have known, too.
https://www.google.com/search?q=iraq+war+protests&sa=X&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=x_UcU7ngOMjukQfOtYGgBQ&ved=0CEAQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=673
Quite frankly, anyone who voted "yes" on the IWR should be out of Congress. And I mean ANYONE.
3+ TRILLION for a "very evil man." The world is full of very evil men. But not all of them have oil.
Stop making excuses for "Democrats" duped by BFEE intelligence.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)That's not exactly comforting news you know.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)And who sold him the gas?
undeterred
(34,658 posts)but he doesn't have quite as good a hat or smirk or as our cowboy. Not as smooth a liar either.
Rex
(65,616 posts)SINCE we let the BFEE go free and clear of all charges!