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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHas vaping/e-cig been useful to you being cigarette-free?
Weigh in.
Making nicotine lozenges/gum OTC was an impactful public health decision for me, since it provided a lot of autonomy in the goal of not smoking. But the advent of the e-cig/vaping is what made my cigarette 'sobriety' really solid. I do not think I will smoke again, which during earlier extended gum&mints quits I didn't feel.
I have no doubt that my lungs do not *love* vegetable oil or glycerin, but I have gone two cig-free winters now without even a hint of the bronchitis/pneumonia thing that was getting worse every damn year. Every year. Twice some years.
I consume a lot of nicotine... thought not a measly fraction of what a smoker takes in. (Lungs are super good at taking in smoke.)
And I am fine with that. I doubt nicotine is exactly good for a person, but caffeine is probably about as great a health problem for me, and both probably well behind lousy diet or lack of exercise.
If I could push a button to truly never miss it I'd hit the button, of course, but it isn't a big concern for me. Maybe someday I'll feel like quitting nicotine, but for now I am far more interested in not smoking than in perfecting myself.
Breathing smoke every waking hour was a big concern. Big.
I do not think kids should ingest nicotine, but I also do not think adult vaping should be treated like adult smoking. At all.
And I feel strongly in all matters that the world is not supposed to be limited to what is acceptable for children.
As a smoker all those years I never objected to age limits, to taxes or to bans on smoking indoors in public places. I was a very anti-smoking smoker and supportive of most of the measures taken to stamp it out. I always felt that either cigarettes should be outlawed or a whole lot of stuff should be in-lawed because cigarettes are f'ing terrible.
But I really despise, even more than when I smoked, the type of pathological anti-smoking nut who gets excited about punishing people for their own good, and is generally on a sick power trip.
So that's me.
NMDemDist2
(49,313 posts)quit vaping a year later but stuck with gum and mints for 4 years, quit the nicotine completely about a month ago.
Nay
(12,051 posts)use only the electronic. I also do not think adult vaping should be treated like smoking -- there is no smell or anything that would harm others.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)Like you, I tried several times before it "took." The last time was during a bout of pneumonia, during which I couldn't smoke anyway. When I recovered, I'd been tobacco free for two weeks anyway, so it was only the secondary cravings that remained to be overcome, and although they'd defeated me after previous attempts to quit, that time I overcame them. By six weeks I was pretty certain I'd never go back, and by six months the thought of smoking a cigarette was just about as appealing as sucking shit through a dirty sock. That's an actual metaphor I used to try and explain it at the time. It has never become any more appealing.
My partner smokes, and when she moved in she was concerned that her smoking might lead me back to the addiction. Not gonna happen. That metaphor is as true today as it was thirty years ago.
truegrit44
(332 posts)nt
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I'd like to thank the inventor of the e-cig.
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)I had acute bronchitis and quit smoking for a month...then started up again....second bout of bronchitis I bought e cigs...been cig free for almost a year
Texasgal
(17,045 posts)quit the cigs by vaping. He travels internationally alot for his job so his cigarette smoking really became an issue. He started e-cigs last year and has not looked back. I am really proud of him.
He is a good father and husband, he is not and never was a junkie ciggy asshole. He was respectful of his addiction and still is. He does not vape indoors anywhere.... even when he can.
I am beyond thrilled he has found an alternative!
ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)They worked really well for me. I do strongly support those who vape though. Unless peer-reviewed studies say they're bad, I support people using e-cigs indoors.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)but I know I would have tried them (I did use patches, gums and lozenges!), and I wish luck to anyone who does use vaping as a quit tool
Autumn
(45,106 posts)Bought three bottles of juice, three ounce size at 8 dollars each to fill my chamber,with nicotine equal to a pack and a half a day. I have probably only used one bottle. Two weeks ago I went and bought a bottle of juice with no nicotine. No withdrawals, no irritability half the time I don't think to pick it up and use it. I feel great. It takes 1.6 ml to fill the chamber and I can puff on that for 3 days before filling it again. A 3 oz bottle is 8 bucks a carton of cigarettes is 36 bucks and I've used maybe 1 bottle since Jan31. I think all the discussion over it is from the tobacco companies over the money they stand to lose.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Mariana
(14,858 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Lorillard owns blu; Reynolds owns Vuse; Altria (Mallboro) bought Green Smoke, and has an agreement with Philip Morris to market each others "next generation" e-cigs. I cannot link, but the source is: blogs.wsj.com, or google: e-cigarettes owned by tobacco companies.
This buy-up is consolidating rapidly.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Mariana
(14,858 posts)I stopped smoking immediately. In fact, I wasn't even planning to quit when I did. I was just trying out the e-cig to see if there was any chance it might help in a future attempt. I liked it so much I never smoked again.
Beringia
(4,316 posts)I smoked as a teenager and young adult. I quit in my mid 20s. Then several years ago, I went through a difficult situation and I used cigarettes as a crutch. I knew I could and would quit again, but the problem of just wanting one more would crop up. I explored the e-cigarettes and they worked like a charm. Then after smoking the e-cig for a couple of weeks, I no longer wanted the e-cigs or the real cigs. I highly recommend them, though don't know how the e-cigs affect you in the long-term, but since I only smoked the e-cigs temporarily, it did not matter in my case.
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)Forty year smoker, quit on my birthday last August. Just weaned myself off of the nicotine and now just vape coffee flavored liquid. My husband also quit smoking this way as well as two other family members. Our coughs are gone, sinuses clear, tons more energy and we smell good. LOL
Skittles
(153,169 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)I hope to make the total switch soon. After 40 years of smoking, my lungs are tired.
I understand the concern about kids taking up the nicotine habit, but much of the opposition to e-cigs seems based on bias and bigotry instead of science.
Gravitycollapse
(8,155 posts)Provides an incentive for drunk me to not start begging strangers for cigarettes.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)And now, I wasn't planning to quit cigarettes altogether, but after about 10 days, I didn't even want a cigarette. Had a couple left in a pack, and just wanted my juicy nectarine vape instead. And make no mistake, after almost 30 years of smoking, I was absolutely certain that I was going to be that guy, smoking a cigarette through a hole in my neck. I have increased my cigar intake since I switched to the vape, but any way I cut it, I am still far, far better off with the cigarettes out of my life. A pox on anybody who would try to make it harder for me to enjoy this success I've had.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)The only thing that really has worked.
Behind the Aegis
(53,959 posts)I am going to add the nicotine gum and maybe some sugarless mints.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)vape next to me, hang out with a hookah next to me. It's all good.
Demo_Chris
(6,234 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)frazzled
(18,402 posts)immediately with e-cigarettes, after 40 years of smoking cigarettes. And I wasn't even planning to quit. I just wanted to try them, because smoking was getting so difficult, I thought it might be a decent substitute on those occasions when smoking was impossible. Day one I never looked back: I still have the carton of cigarettes I'd bought eight months ago in a cabinet, and have no interest in finding them even.
I am of course still addicted to nicotine, but I am not getting chemicals or tar, not smelling up the place, not coughing at all.
So yes, huge huge help in quitting tobacco--something I never, ever thought I would be able to do (and yes, I had tried gum and the patch).
Mariana
(14,858 posts)It was a during a time of high stress in my life, too. We were getting ready to move to another state and the house was up for sale. NO ONE quits smoking at a time like that. But the rig I had my eye on went on sale for half price and I went ahead and bought it, thinking after the move I'd try to switch. I took it out of the box to try it and I liked it so much I never smoked again. That was almost three years ago.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)After seeing that, my doctor is now referring other smoking patients to ecigs.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Instead I had a great smoking cessation program: being broke.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)Given that most smokers started as teens, enticed by rebellion, or looking cool, or pretending to be older, any of a dozen or so other implied promises of the tobacco industry AND given that the ads from the tobacco industry for their new e-cigs look pretty much identical to the old smoking ads AND given that we now know that the tobacco industry deliberately targeted kids - what is the solution to keep from starting the vicious cycle again with a new generation of nicotine addicts?
And - congratulations for being smoke free! Hope it continues the rest of your life!
Ino
(3,366 posts)I did not inhale the e-cig vapor. Just let the flavor sit in my mouth, then blow it out.
I didn't use them on a regular basis, but they were INVALUABLE when a very hard craving hit. I would have caved in if not for an e-cig.
2.5 years smoke-free. I don't use e-cigs any more.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)With vaping I assume all you pay is sales tax.
Your not smoking represents a loss of revenue for the state.
My feeling is that people want sin taxes out of vaping and nothing more.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)They could tax the hardware pretty easily, I guess, but that's a one-shot since good quality hardware lasts a long time. Taxing the fluid would be more difficult since it's so easy to make it up at home. If they make pre-mixed liquid too expensive then few people will buy pre-mixed liquid.
It's very stupid to depend on tobacco taxes to fund any long-term expenditures, at a time when smoking is becoming ever less popular. What the hell did they think was going to happen as fewer and fewer people buy those products?
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)is to raise then so high that a thriving black market results, thus accelerating the loss of revenue, but instituting an illegal market which is not even fettered by age limits on purchasing. "High taxes" is the alternative spelling for "prohibition."
KharmaTrain
(31,706 posts)...I switched nearly 3 years ago after smoking nearly two packs a day. I haven't had a cancer stick since and hopefully never will again. I know that without this system I would still be smoking and ingesting the tars and other chemicals that have been proven carcinogens. Initially I used the maximum amount of nicotine in my e-cig and then cut that down to zero. Today I still enjoy puffing on the e-cig...my family is grateful that I no longer smell like an ashtray and our house is smoke free. I no longer cough and last summer had an x-ray that showed my lungs were clear...I have regain a sense of smell and have more stamina today nearing 60 than I did in my 40s.
So much of the anti-e-cig stuff I read here is from those who have no clue as to what an e-cig is or how vital it can be to assisting long term heavy smokers away from smoking. While I enjoyed smoking for nearly 30 years, the older I got and the more expensive smokes got pushed me to find a way to quit and fortunately the e-cig has done that. I'm very much in favor of regulating these devices to those under 18, the prohibition is not going to prevent those from wanting to have one from getting one...and, IMO, better they use those things than picking up a real cig.
For the most part I have found overwhelming support from my family and friends for my use of the e-cig. Some are curious to learn how it works. Those who want to ban these devices from use in public places are just encouraging those who haven't quit to keep on going....
Inkfreak
(1,695 posts)I smoked for 15 years. And one thing I did was smoke a cig in the morning and then took a crap. Once I quit I found my craps less frequent. I know it was a mind thing, but I need that e-cig to get the motor started for me. I used it for about 3-4 months. Only at the house tho. I felt silly whipping it out in public. My wife thought it was hysterical. Been cig free for about 6 years.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)logosoco
(3,208 posts)I enjoyed smoking, the buzz from the nicotine was something that clicked in my brain when I was 12 (and I grew up in the era of everyone smoked).
After 33 years of never thinking about quitting, my sister got me a cheap kit for Christmas in 2011 and I started on January 9, 2012. My husband started them shortly after. We discovered the better stuff online and now mix our own juice.
Our children never thought about taking up the habit, even as young adults now they are not tempted.
They are nowhere near as bad as smoking tobacco cigs. The ingredients are things that are used in so many other things that are ingested. I am suspicious of the studies that say they are finding bad things in them, because if that is so, many other things will have to be banned as well. Maybe they were testing inferior liquids and that could be an area where we need regulation.
Even though I smoked most of my life, I am sensitive to many perfumed things, but would never dream of regulating or banning them.
Still enjoying the nicotine buzz, sorry if that offends anyone but life is too short and sometimes has too little enjoyment!So I am going to keep on vaping!
blogslut
(38,002 posts)And I'm glad to have helped other people switch to e-cigs.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)I enjoyed smoking cigarettes way back when
rolled my own from Drum tobacco. Smelled and tasted much different than Camel no filters because Drum didn't have all the extra chemicals.
When I quit, I just stopped. Didn't want to do it anymore and it was easy for me.
Part of it may be because Drum tobacco doesn't have the extra nicotine etc as packaged cigarettes.
As an ex-smoker, cigarette smoke disgusts me. It is foul and it takes over an area.
A good cigar or pipe tobacco is pleasant to me, but pre-rolled conventional cigarettes a nasty.
I have been around e-cigs and they don't smell.
They are not the same as pre-rolled cigarettes or even cigars or pipes.
I don't understand the opposition arising to e-cigs unless it's just ignorance or anti-smoking sentiments gone amok.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)I really believe some folks don't like the idea that we found a way to get our nicotine that won't end up with us getting lung cancer or emphysema from it. We still get to have the enjoyment without the smoke, tar and all those added preservatives. They don't like that. They believe we should quit cold turkey or suffer.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)At some point your realize that those folks want people to be abstinent or die... like sinners should.
Any attempt to lessen the risk of disease misses the real point of the psycho-drama.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)there were people who were pleased whenever drinkers died or went blind from tainted booze. That kind of person is still around, it seems.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)Even my doctor said that my lungs were clearing since I started vaping.
Here's my opinion on e-cig regulations:
I think the only regulations on e-cigs and e-juice should be common-sense safety standards, age restrictions, bans on diacetyl and other toxic ingredients (such as ethylene glycol, diethyene glycol, and other adulterants), and mandtory disclosure of e-juice ingredients, especially the flavorings used to make it taste good, so we'll know what we're vaping and how much of it. We should also have safety standards for e-cig hardware, including batteries, resistance for heating elements (atomizers, cartos, clearos, tanks, etc.).
If the juice is going to be taxed, it should be taxed at 1% of the rate of tobacco. This way, the government would get their piece of the action without making it prohibitively expensive. There should also be a ban on anti-vaping propaganda.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)became available. The goal, of course is to get to zero. So, yes, they're useful to me in working toward being smoking-free.
OregonBlue
(7,754 posts)parents and lots of stress, I started vaping again. I went from 30mgs to 14 to 11 and now 6mg juice. I feel so much better. Can walk up stairs and hike again. No filthy cigarette smell. No dirty ashtrays. I did gain a little weight but maybe that's just getting older. I had to go to the doctor yesterday and she says my lungs sound great.
So yes, whatever helps get people off of cancer sticks is great in my opinion.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)All of us vapers know we are vaping at our own risk. We are the guinea pigs, and that's ok. Years from now there will be facts to study because of our use, but there aren't any facts now, there is only prejudice on the anti-ecig side.
What's clear and undeniable is that this is near-total harm reduction, for people who are already at risk of a great deal of known harm. It is a much better alternative to a very bad situation.
To date, no one has ever died from an ecig. I haven't even heard of any significant consequences. Until that changes, there is no justification for interfering with ecigs as far as adult use is concerned.
Ecig vendors, all, have long ago voluntarily refused to sell to minors. But even if some teenagers do end up using them, it's still better than those same teenagers smoking analogs. Teens who are that determined are going to do what they're going to do, no matter what.
Ecigs have made my life a lot better, a lot easier, and a lot cheaper. I just wish they could've been invented sooner.
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)And I really agree with your last paragraph
RobinA
(9,893 posts)I smoke less than half a pack a day, but can't really stop. I was always afraid to use nicotine replacement because I worried that the replacement would provide more nicotine than I currently get and I'd wind up MORE addicted. So, can you calibrate the e-cig to number of cigarettes?
Secondly, my problem is less the nicotine at this point, I can go about a day without smoking before I crave nicotine, but the fact that I LIKE TO SMOKE. It's pleasurable to me, like a glass of wine for some people. A cigarette when I get in my car is my reward for completeing another day at work. Does the vape help with that craving, because that's the one I have the most trouble defeating.
rainbow4321
(9,974 posts)Yes, you can pick the level of nicotine in the ecig. The workers in Vape shops are very good in helping new vapers figure out the best level to start at by asking how you smoked and what kind of cigs.
I started off at 18 mg ecigs...I had smoked a pack a day of Marlboro menthol 100s. As of this week I am down to 8mg. I tried some leftover 12mg level juice the other night and it grossed me out. Which was fine with me cuz to me it meant my body was getting used to less nic.
So that is the nic part of it.
The other part is the hand to mouth pacifier my hands need something to do part.
Vaping satisfies that, too. The only diff is I get to satisfy that INdoors now as opposed to when I would have to go outside to smoke since I didn't smoke indoors.
The motion of vaping satisfies that need just as much as smoking did. I Vape while I drive, while I'm home surfing the net, watching TV, on my breaks at work. Actually, I now sometimes do some what is called stealth vaping...I go to a single bathroom at work, lock the door, and take some puffs. Doesn't set off the smoke alarm or leave a stinky cig smell behind.
And then there are the flavors the juices come in...the choice is endless. Name a flavor and you can find it. Right now I'm vaping Creme Banana. The aroma really feels like banana. My sense of flavors has gotten a lot better since vaping and quitting cigs...at first all I could taste and smell was cinnamon and strong flavors but now I an appreciate more fruits and dessert subtle flavors.
I really rec you go find a local Vape shop and talk to the workers.'They are UNbelievably patient, will spend as much time as needed in helping you start the process. They will walk you thru the hardware options as well as available juices. Make sure the have a ejuice testing "bar" where you can taste before you buy. BTW, when you start buying ejuices, always start with the small bottles and once you find a juice (or juices) you really like, then buy the bigger bottle. I learned that quickly. Sometimes what you taste in the store and really like tastes different when you get home (for different reasons).
Finally, google ECF. It's an ecig communi forum where you can get an endless amount of help. ECF stands for ecigarette forum. It's been a wonderful support group for me in my first few months of vaping.
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)vaping helps with that in a way other replacements do not. In fact, you could get a juice with no nicotine at all, but a strong taste, like cinnimon or menthol or something, and that helps a lot with the reward-habit of darwing something into your lungs.
As for cigarette to vaping equivalency, or other nicotine replacement to cigarette equivalency, it is pretty hard to get more nicotine into your blood than a smoker gets. The lungs are designed to take in gases, and your blood prefers carbon monoxide to oxygen, so with smoking you feel *something* immediately, and feel nicotine quickly.
So there's no easy equivalency. Even saying half a pack a day, you might smoke deeply or smoke shallowly. You might suck down the whole cig or smoke leisurely, with a lot of it burning into the air.
If you are not craving nicotine hard but do crave the ritual of smoking, look into a vape juice with tiny nicotine or no nicotine and see if it works for you. If that doesn't work for you then you can switch to a stronger juice. You can get anywhere from 0.0% nicotine to about 2.4%-3.0%.
RobinA
(9,893 posts)who responded to my questions. I wasn't aware that there were vape stores, but I will check it out. I'm definitely getting something for my father, who is 80 and a hard core smoker since forever. He can't even taste or smell at this point and I'm pretty sure it's the cigs, so if it just helps him with that...
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)High quality is key though... you get something cheap that doesn't produce good vapor and doesn't have good flavor, it might not be as successful.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)It's helped everyone I know who has used it over cigs.
and the idea that it is used to smoke crack is ludicrous.
riqster
(13,986 posts)She's stepped down to 11mg nicotine, and none of the other chemicals and smoke that she used to inhale. I call it progress.
Her overall health has improved. Yay for vaping!
SirRevolutionary
(579 posts)Used nicotine vapes at first and one day I bought a bottle of zero-nicotine. If you gave me one of each at the time, I wouldn't really be able to tell the difference.
I certainly cannot speak for everyone, but for myself making the jump from nicotine vapes to zero nicotine vapes was a complete non-issue. When you're ready, get a bottle of zero nicotine and try switching back and forth, it's a good way to realize you really don't need nicotine at all.
And I completely agree, the pathological anti-smoking nuts currently crapping all over ecigs are helping no one but their own egos.
Vape on!
Hosnon
(7,800 posts)I'm not saying I couldn't have done it without an e-cig, but I sure as hell hadn't.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)Vapers or others... this is a legitimate question
Would you put an e-cigarette starter kit in a non cigarette smoking young adult's
x-mas stocking if they had expressed an interest in using one?
Why or why not?
Tikki
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)Nicotine is addictive for many/most and is the sort of thing one really has to choose... personally and affirmatively. I would not advise anyone to use nicotine.
If someone is interested enough to try it then they'll do that, but it's on them.
But then, I also would not give gifts of guns or liquor or pot. A gift (to me) involves the giver's hope that the recipient use the gift, whether gloves, an ugly sweater or a bong. I don't hope that anyone use any drug.
I am not against drugs. I just think they should be carefully and personally chosen.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)I am terribly concerned a new generation will take on the nicotine habit.
I know families who forbid smoking by all, including family members, in their home.
I would be inclined to think many will ask others to not vap in their home, especially
if there are children present.
Tikki
ReverendDeuce
(1,643 posts)While they still use the nicotine bearing formulas of fluids, only one is still on the 24mg level.
I partake in the zero nicotine vape from time to time, merely because I love some of the flavors. It's a great dessert alternative!
BTW: Only buy American-made fluids from reputable vendors. I don't trust the Chinese imports as far as I can throw them.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)I'm thinking of reducing my nic level to 12mg within the next couple of months. But first, I have to go through my stash of juice, which will probably last me about another month and a half.
I buy my liquid from two online vendors: Mt. Baker Vapor (out of Washington state) and Lucky 7 Vapes (out of Oklahoma). They're both American made to order.
BTW, you want to steer clear of diacetyl, which can cause lung damage. Go to vendors whose juices are diacetyl free.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Tried it for a few months but eventually went back to cigarettes.
But I do think the e-cig could potentially get me to quit. I would try the e-cig again. I just don't think I was ready to quit the last time I tried, which is the reason why I went back to cigs.
meow2u3
(24,764 posts)I started vaping 5 months ago to see if I can toot an e-cig without choking on it, unlike the e-cigs I used to buy in convenience stores. It worked, and just about literally overnight, my cigarette consumption went down from a pack and a half to a maximum of 6 or 7. The only time I smoked was in the morning, after dinner, and when my vape battery was charging.
I then tapered off from 6-7 to 5, then 4, 3, 2, 1...and 4 months ago, I had my last cigarette. I haven't smoked since. If it weren't for vaping, I'd still be smoking.
sad-cafe
(1,277 posts)months
has lost weight
Breathes better
Spends less money