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http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140311/DACFOH303.html
By MARY CLARE JALONICK
WASHINGTON (AP) - Would Parmesan by any other name be as tasty atop your pasta? A ripening trade battle might put that to the test.
As part of trade talks, the European Union wants to ban the use of European names like Parmesan, feta and Gorgonzola on cheese made in the United States.
A package of Kraft parmesan cheese is seen in Washington, Tuesday, March 11, 2014. Looking for American-made parmesan cheese on the grocery aisle? If the European Union gets its way, you may not be able to find it. Also missing could be domestic asiago, feta and gorgonzola. The cheeses would still be there, but their names might be different. As part of free trade talks, the European Union is expected to propose to ban the United States from using certain European cheese names if the cheese is made here. (AP Photo/J. David Ake)
The argument is that the American-made cheeses are shadows of the original European varieties and cut into sales and identity of the European cheeses. The Europeans say Parmesan should only come from Parma, Italy, not those familiar green cylinders that American companies sell. Feta should only be from Greece, even though feta isn't a place. The EU argues it "is so closely connected to Greece as to be identified as an inherently Greek product."
So, a little "hard-grated cheese" for your pasta? It doesn't have quite the same ring as Parmesan.
FULL story at link.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Feta made in the US is NOTHING like Feta made in Europe. It would be wonderful to actually have US manufacturers adhere to the exacting standards of the EU to produce cheese. Does it cost more? Maybe, but it will taste a LOT better.
lupulin
(58 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that which is expected by the taste buds (and the packaging describing the contents).
That green can stuff tastes NOTHING like Parmesan.
http://greendean.com.au/green/say-cheese/
bluestate10
(10,942 posts)when used in Europe. I would start by closing military bases in Europe.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)regardless, frankly. We have too many of the damn things.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)bluestate10
(10,942 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)has to be at least 70% ewe's milk and the other 30% can only be goat's milk. In the US it is all made of cow's milk which is why it doesn't taste as good. Horse (who would raise a horse for milk anyway? They aren't particularly known as great producers ...) nor cow would qualify for the label and the manufacturer would be heavily fined.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Kumis is a dairy product similar to kefir, but is produced from a liquid starter culture, in contrast to the solid kefir "grains". Because mare's milk contains more sugars than cow's or goat's milk, when fermented, kumis has a higher, though still mild, alcohol content compared to kefir.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's fermented horse milk. Regular horse milk (not fermented) is a strong laxative. You can't drink it without it being fermented.
But since you brought it up, there are some cheese made out of unlikely sources:
http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2011/01/11/from-another-udder-nine-nutty-non-cow-cheeses/
Jenoch
(7,720 posts)cow's milk to make feta. Blanket statements are often not accurate.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)so that I may shop in their cheese store!
I am one hundred percent serious.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)that horse milk is a strong laxative for humans.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The scandal went from UK to Eire to France to Belgium to the Netherlands to Lithuania to Latvia to Poland to Italy to Spain to Switzerland and beyond....
Neigh, neigh, they say--not me!
Thanks for connecting that. I couldn't imagine why in the world the poster would have thought they made Feta out of horse milk.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Q. Would you like some?
A. Oh, neigh, none for me!!!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)from laughing now!
MADem
(135,425 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)I can't wait to herve some!
MADem
(135,425 posts)They make superb mozzarella di bufala in Vermont....
http://www.bufaladivermont.com/cheese.html
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I guess I shouldn't Roquefort anything better.
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)I Camembert it anymore.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)compared to some others
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's good of you to Romano us of those threads.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)we must approach them very Caerphily.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)At least, as far as I Cantal.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)It's made by small producers and it does cost more than supermarket feta. It's creamier and less aggressively salty. Same thing with Parmesan cheese: good craft cheese makers in the U.S. make products that are very similar to true Parmesan, and yes they cost more although not as much as imported Parmesan.
I'll have to look into that, Gormy. Thanks!
CBGLuthier
(12,723 posts)No american company no matter how well they make it will be allowed to make parmesan or feta just like no american company can make champagne.
This does not matter to me as I do not eat that shit in a can. My Parmesan Reggiano kicks its ass around the block and back again. The feta I prefer is Belgian so I imagine they will have to change the name too.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It doesn't make me think that Tokyo "owns" the product. I've eaten a "California roll" on Cape Cod. I've had "Boston Baked Beans" in Wales. Kentucky Fried Chicken, too--in Wales AND Tehran (FWIW, it tastes just as squirrelly over there, as here).
I think people should lighten up. Food tastes good, or it doesn't. People have discerning palates, or they don't. Smart people will figure it out--stupid people won't have a clue no matter how it's put to them. They won't care, either.
That 'champagne' horse left the barn years ago--never mind "the champagne of bottled beers," and "Georgia Champagne" (Coca-Cola), there's this:
They call it "American Champagne" or "California Champagne" and annotate it as "sparkling wine" but they still trot the word out. The grapes, some of them anyway, often as not, are cuttings from the Champagne region.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)KFC does taste "squirelly" and heaven help me, it is my favorite fried chicken restaurant. I have choices without number in the state of MS, but I prefer the KFC. And I will admit to eating fried rabbit, too. I think we had fried tree rabbit (squirrel) once. Mother wouldn't eat any of it, but I thought it was pretty tasty. I've always been adventurous when it comes to food.
MADem
(135,425 posts)...that was VERY popular during Ramadan.
They'd cook the chicken, and you could smell it all over the square.
Now, you're supposed to fast during Ramadan, abstaining from food or beverage from dawn till dusk. The owners of the KFC would put huge sheets up in the windows of the place, so you couldn't see in so as not to tempt the devout (normally the diners were on display in front of large plate glass windows). Pretty much everyone, save the obvious westerners, in there during the month long fast, chowing down on chicken and sides, would have at their feet--ostentatiously--a SUITCASE! A very light suitcase, from all appearances, the way they'd carry 'em.
Why? Because TRAVELLERS were exempt from the fasting requirement. Never mind that the KFC was no where near the bus station, the train station or the airport...hey, you COULD be on your way to any one of those! After all, taking a bus, train or plane is heavy work....just like driving a caravan of camels across a cruel desert!
I always had to laugh....!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I love the drenched in buttermilk style of KFC. The could pretty much drench anything in buttermilk for 12 hours and it would taste good when you fried it
You know that they had patrons sneaking in the back door, though .
dionysus
(26,467 posts)but KFC extra crispy will do in a pinch
MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)One thing I miss most about Europe ARE the cheeses
American versions can't compare.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Excellent cheeses made to a standard of known ingredients are better than "Well, this kind of seems like X cheese, so let's label it as such!"
No. It either is made from the correct ingredients, or it isn't.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)to simply require country of origin labeling?
You like Greek feta, so presumably you would buy the variety that comes from Greece. Someone else might not have your exacting taste buds and would happily buy the American version of the cheese. Someone else might consider you a cheese Philistine and swear that only feta made from sheep raised by virgin shepherd's on the island of Lesbos is real feta . . .
"Feta" is a Greek word with roots in Latin - it's not really an identifier of a particular kind of cheese, except in the strictly legal sense of the EU - the same EU that tried to ban the sale of lumpy carrots and crooked cucumbers . . .
Aerows
(39,961 posts)It just says milk and salt on Athenos Feta. The entire distinction of Feta cheese is that it is made of ewe's milk 70% and up with only goat's milk allowed to make up the difference. Athenos uses only cow's milk. That's not Feta.
That's just one example. Parmesan cheese in the green can ... :shudder:. I'm not sure I'd WANT to know what is in that.
GeorgeGist
(25,321 posts)Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)women in Harry Potter that were seductive and beautiful? Clearly their bodily resources go towards their looks, not their milk production.
Oh wait, I was thinking of Veela. Seductive, easily melted cheese that you don't know has possessed you until it does. Though Fleur did truly love the eldest Weasley
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)The other are esters whose fur is used for making clothing. They live in colonies called poly-esters!!
A heard of esthers just ran by my door. I didn't stop it, but perhaps I should
Kilgore
(1,733 posts)Cha
(297,314 posts)Bad Thoughts
(2,524 posts)The name designates the place of production as much as the style and taste.
Vashta Nerada
(3,922 posts)If it's not made in Parma, it should not be parmesan cheese.
pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)fujiyama
(15,185 posts)It will be like Champagne. And the names of these foods would designate a symbol of authenticity and quality.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)barely qualifies as edible cheese let alone Parmesan
MisterP
(23,730 posts)Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)on their pasta.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Try getting Thai food in a small town in France. It's not happening. Try getting something as basic as CHINESE...not happening, either!
As someone who has lived in many corners of the world, let me tell you--there's "crap food" everywhere. EVERYWHERE. Not everything is fresh and lovely--lots of places, there are sketchy products, crappy sellers, but you won't find that junk in the "tourist" areas of countries that have a 'food' reputation. It's way too easy to focus on the bad, and not recognize that there's plenty that isn't just good, but excellent, for those who are discerning.
Europeans love the variety here, and ask ANY Italian; they will tell you that American calamari beats Italian calamari in taste, flavor, texture and sheer deliciousness by leaps and bounds. I have to agree.
Not everything "American" is "bad." The taste of the individual matters, and there are people all over the world with "low brow" tastes in food.
I used to live across the street from a family in Italy that were familiar with American products. The daughter adored "LUCKY CHARMS." The son was cool with his buds when he could bring "BUDWEISER" to the party. I would recoil in horror, but periodically bring these things to the kids (young adults, mind you--I wasn't giving beer to a grade-schooler) because it pleased them.
The father had a thing for ---this is the oddest thing---Green Giant frozen corn on the cob. His wife would BAKE it for him, and he'd eat the whole package by himself. He thought it was the most wonderful thing in the world (over there, corn is usually fed to animals, not people, and he loved the sweetness of it). The wife liked American ice cream...!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm pretty much a foodie for most things, but try to get me out of a McDonald's without a Big Mac? Not in this lifetime
MADem
(135,425 posts)Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun!
I still remember the ingredients!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)though if they make them "Mega Mac" style with two quarter pounder patties, they are even better
shanti
(21,675 posts)Cheese food powder is more like it...
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)That's where it originate?
Should Americans ban Hamburgers in Hamburg?
this is silliness squared
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)approximation.
adirondacker
(2,921 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)It's white and delicious!
JCMach1
(27,559 posts)very tasty...
But then again so is some of the American cheddar...
woo me with science
(32,139 posts)That surprised me.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)but the fact is that "cheddar" is now used across the UK as a name for any other cheese made in a similar way. So it's already too broken.
Being from the UK I actually don't have a problem with the bog-standard "cheddar" we get in supermarkets being correctly named as "orange plastic gunk". It seems fair to me.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I think aggressive labeling panders to the lowest common denominator. A stupid person isn't going to care, a smart person is going to read the label and know that the product is ersatz and not the real deal.
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Ha! That will make them change their tune!
left on green only
(1,484 posts)American Cheese isn't even cheese, just like McDonalds milk shakes aren't made out of milk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese
Read it and weep.
1awake
(1,494 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,182 posts)...."bland squares of orange plastic."
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)Guffaw.
Cause, you know, it comes from the "yellow milk" they collect down at the dairy barn (wink, wink).
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)that we can stop calling whatever Daft Punk is doing "rock and roll?"
Cause we fucking invented that....
sibelian
(7,804 posts)This European will gladly join you in removing "rock and roll" from the descriptors of Daft Punk in exchange for "bizarrely asexual beeping resembling embarassed pocket calculators at a high school disco unsure which of them is to make the first move".
Jeff In Milwaukee
(13,992 posts)But it is what it is.
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Five people inside it.
Incidentally, I'd just like to remove any possbile ambiguity about my opinions of Daft Punk - THEY SUCK.
We could maybe put "Daft Punk SUCK" on a T-shirt.
MADem
(135,425 posts)left on green only
(1,484 posts)Do you suppose John Travolta is producing them? And was that guy driving in the car in the video supposed to be the kind of guy they imagine is interested in listening to them?
MADem
(135,425 posts)He had a song up for the Oscars. He didn't win, another earworm-ish song did.
left on green only
(1,484 posts)Prodigious talents, one and all!
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)Separation
(1,975 posts)You can't just call an onion a Vidalia.
left on green only
(1,484 posts)Javaman
(62,530 posts)it's a food-like product. lol
herding cats
(19,565 posts)No doubt the haters will rant and carry on about those elite Europeans for awhile, but they'll eat their 'not a fraction as good as the real things' fake cheeses and adjust.
MO_Moderate
(377 posts)Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I think food should be local, the more local the better. The EU and everywhere else can keep this stuff that's transported here from great distances.
I wish all the foreign producers would do the same thing. As a start, at least they could make their labels clearer to read.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)2006, you can still swim. And there are a ton of producers who got their labels out!
Producers (like Korbel) who used the word Champagne on their labels before 2006 may continue to do so but they must say New York Champagne or Californian Champagne, Heitner said.
Read more at http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-news/530767/obama-menu-champagne-blunder-threatens-entente-cordiale#JK0kvTUsCyrRCdCu.99
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Conceptually their argument makes sense, but after decades of usage . . .
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)maybe forcing the U.S. to import cheeses with European names will actually help local dairy farms and cheese makers instead.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)should benefit from subsequent demand for that product, and should not suffer because of inferior knock-offs.
What a concept! The fact that anyone is opposed to such a proposal - especially in a "liberal" place like DU - is astonishing.
hunter
(38,317 posts)They could hire the same folks who do that for the pharmaceutical companies.
Come up with a slightly different formulation of an old drug, slap a sophisticated sounding name on it, profit!!!
The marks will probably pay more for that than they would actual Parmesan.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Actual Greek yogurt from Greece is strained. The American knockoff uses thickeners to produce a similar consistency.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)a rare treat, as the only options within walking distance of my office are Mickey D's, Denny's, and the gourmet option , the cafeteria in the county building.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)tzatziki, feta, crisp romaine on flatbread with delicately marinated lamb. Yum, Yum Yum. A couple of olives, and it is heaven.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)is worse. I assure you. Hell, the toilet paper got inspected for metal flakes after all of the women got together and determined that we all had "itch", UTI, and chafing. They had to change the toilet paper because the metal flake content was too high. I shit you not. They were trying to save money.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)it's a couple of blocks away, as are the other options.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Way to go, Europe.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and really, this isn't a different fight. It's a fight about disclosure If you do it, prepare to say explicitly that you do.
unblock
(52,253 posts)and cheeseburgers should only be from cheeseburg.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm fine with a cheeseburger no matter where it comes from, provided it is cooked correctly. The fight is more along the lines of using ground up hot dog wieners pressing them into a patty and calling it a hamburger.
Do you think that ground up fish or ground up pork makes a true hamburger? That's what the standards are about. If it is called something, it should have that something in the package. Thank me when you eat a hamburger and aren't concerned whether it contains whale, chicken hearts and turkey guts because that was cheaper than "all beef".
unblock
(52,253 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Vienna makes a damn good wiener. Sauerkraut, onions and mustard on a one of those? Good eating!!!!
Omaha Steve
(99,660 posts)I love the Gorgonzola that is made here. Parmesan too.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Italian beef sandwich
Which is a French Dip with Italian giardiniera peppers
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)Lint Head
(15,064 posts)Flying Squirrel
(3,041 posts)Good reading, this thread
IDemo
(16,926 posts)"I think it's clear. They want to create a brand and they want to call it 'Idaho,'" says Patrick Kole. Kole handles legal affairs for the Idaho Potato Commission.
He says the trademark would mean if Idaho producers sell their potatoes in Turkey, they wouldn't be allowed to put the word Idaho on them. Kole worries the closely guarded phrase "Idaho potatoes" could become generic.
"You can look at a lot of terms that historically were associated with places. Whether it's Brussels sprouts or cheddar -- because there's a village in England called Cheddar. Feta. These terms have become generic so that they're not capable of being protected any longer," says Kole.
http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/turkish-firm-moves-trademark-idahos-state-name
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts).
IDemo
(16,926 posts)STRASBOURG, France, March 12 (UPI) -- Ankara needs to show its commitment to meeting European standards on justice and freedom of expression, the European Parliament said Wednesday.
Turkey aspires to a closer relationship with the European Union. Members of the European Parliament passed a resolution Wednesday saying it had "deep concerns" about the pace of reforms in Turkey.
"Recent developments in the area of fundamental freedoms, independence of the judiciary, freedom of expression and others are however a cause of grave concern for us," Parliament's special envoy on Turkey Ria Oomen-Ruijten said. "We now need a serious, constructive dialogue with Turkey on these subjects and Turkey needs to show true commitment to its European aspirations and to the values upon which the EU is founded."
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2014/03/12/Europe-calls-on-Turkey-to-get-serious-about-association/UPI-20561394642993/
My point wasn't so much to tie the EU to hypocritical behavior as to show that the US is not alone in "borrowing" regional and cultural names for its own uses.
dipsydoodle
(42,239 posts)Turkey has been an associate member since 1963 and joined the customs union 1995 - it remains a candidate only.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union
When it finally comes down to it if one single current EU member state vetoed the application that would be it . Those are the rules and there is also no appeal under those rules.