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Omaha Steve

(99,660 posts)
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:04 PM Mar 2014

Europe wants its Parmesan back, seeks name change (trade talks)


http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140311/DACFOH303.html

By MARY CLARE JALONICK

WASHINGTON (AP) - Would Parmesan by any other name be as tasty atop your pasta? A ripening trade battle might put that to the test.

As part of trade talks, the European Union wants to ban the use of European names like Parmesan, feta and Gorgonzola on cheese made in the United States.



A package of Kraft parmesan cheese is seen in Washington, Tuesday, March 11, 2014. Looking for American-made parmesan cheese on the grocery aisle? If the European Union gets its way, you may not be able to find it. Also missing could be domestic asiago, feta and gorgonzola. The cheeses would still be there, but their names might be different. As part of free trade talks, the European Union is expected to propose to ban the United States from using certain European cheese names if the cheese is made here. (AP Photo/J. David Ake)


The argument is that the American-made cheeses are shadows of the original European varieties and cut into sales and identity of the European cheeses. The Europeans say Parmesan should only come from Parma, Italy, not those familiar green cylinders that American companies sell. Feta should only be from Greece, even though feta isn't a place. The EU argues it "is so closely connected to Greece as to be identified as an inherently Greek product."

So, a little "hard-grated cheese" for your pasta? It doesn't have quite the same ring as Parmesan.

FULL story at link.
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Europe wants its Parmesan back, seeks name change (trade talks) (Original Post) Omaha Steve Mar 2014 OP
I actually agree with this Aerows Mar 2014 #1
Render unto Europe that which is Europe's lupulin Mar 2014 #3
Render unto the taste buds Aerows Mar 2014 #4
Yes. elleng Mar 2014 #101
The we should take back or demand that everything our country originated be renamed bluestate10 Mar 2014 #5
I'd start by closing military bases around the world Aerows Mar 2014 #7
Let's rename fries while we're at it Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #45
Au revoir to Le Weekend, then!!! nt MADem Mar 2014 #53
"Exacting Standards"? No thanks, I don't have a hankering for horse-milk Feta. nt bluestate10 Mar 2014 #8
Feta made in Europe Aerows Mar 2014 #10
Central Asians KamaAina Mar 2014 #61
Yes, but that's a different type of product Aerows Mar 2014 #64
I know of a cheese maker who does not use Jenoch Mar 2014 #89
Please supply their name Aerows Mar 2014 #90
That is hilarious! Where did you ever get the notion that feta is made from horse milk? Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #13
Never mind the fact Aerows Mar 2014 #44
I think he's riffing on this. MADem Mar 2014 #55
LOL! Aerows Mar 2014 #66
It started with those IKEA meatballs!!!! MADem Mar 2014 #68
I'm ho(a)rse Aerows Mar 2014 #69
Heh, heh!! nt MADem Mar 2014 #75
We'll brie waiting for the gouda stuff to be made here pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #34
Hee hee!!!! MADem Mar 2014 #56
Stilton making jokes about cheese, Muenster? Aerows Mar 2014 #70
Please stop. woo me with science Mar 2014 #102
This thread ain't Monterrey Jack Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #112
That was a Colby drawn assessment, Art! Aerows Mar 2014 #114
However, when venturing into some of those threads, Art_from_Ark Mar 2014 #115
That's good advice pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #116
I've had American made feta that is like the original. Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #41
Oooh! Aerows Mar 2014 #47
This is not about standards. this is about regions owning labels. CBGLuthier Mar 2014 #43
I've had a "Philly Cheesesteak" in Tokyo that was flat out delicious. MADem Mar 2014 #71
"tastes just as squirrelly" Aerows Mar 2014 #74
There was a KFC up in northern Tehran.... MADem Mar 2014 #77
That's funny! Aerows Mar 2014 #80
do you have any Popeye's fried chicken places where you live? to me that trumps KFC. dionysus Mar 2014 #99
Same here. MrScorpio Mar 2014 #51
They really can't Aerows Mar 2014 #65
Wouldn't it be easier enlightenment Mar 2014 #57
Or the actual ingredients of the cheese Aerows Mar 2014 #59
Velveeta! GeorgeGist Mar 2014 #2
Is made from the velva milk!! Kilgore Mar 2014 #18
Aren't those the Aerows Mar 2014 #67
Velvas are one of the two the great industrial heard animals... Kilgore Mar 2014 #92
Oh my Aerows Mar 2014 #93
Well played!!! Kilgore Mar 2014 #97
Yes, an American abomination. Tube cheeze, too. Cha Mar 2014 #24
As far as Parmesan and Gorgonzola, I agree Bad Thoughts Mar 2014 #6
Just like "champagne" and "sparkling wine". Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #9
Champagne... pinboy3niner Mar 2014 #12
lol Cha Mar 2014 #25
I can understand why they would want this. fujiyama Mar 2014 #11
I agree with Europe because that crap pictured on the OP Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #14
the US is unfortunately a notorious food "dumping-ground" when it comes to quality MisterP Mar 2014 #19
As little as it actually takes like parmesan, a person would be as well off just putting extra salt Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #20
it looks like Comet ... MisterP Mar 2014 #22
It's also the place where Europeans come and LOVE the food, because there's so much variety. MADem Mar 2014 #54
Hey we all have different tastes Aerows Mar 2014 #72
I haven't had one of those in decades...but I remember I liked them when I had the odd one! MADem Mar 2014 #78
Still my favorite hamburger Aerows Mar 2014 #81
Thank you! shanti Mar 2014 #117
Poppycock... should Cheddar only come from Cheddar? JCMach1 Mar 2014 #15
Yes. Because the flavor is distinctive. Anything else is an Luminous Animal Mar 2014 #26
And cheddar should NOT be dyed orange (take note "cheeseheads") adirondacker Mar 2014 #28
I like Cabot's Extra sharp cheddar Aerows Mar 2014 #48
I have been to Cheddar and bought cave-aged cheese... JCMach1 Mar 2014 #100
Even the lowfat is good. woo me with science Mar 2014 #113
I certainly see your point sibelian Mar 2014 #30
I'm with you. I know full well the difference between prosciutto and proscuitto-style ham. MADem Mar 2014 #58
As revenge we should ban the Italians from making "American Cheese". Including the slices. Nye Bevan Mar 2014 #16
Why Would You Even Think That Anyone In Italy Would Ever Want To Eat American Cheese? left on green only Mar 2014 #32
I believe he/she was using sarcasm. nt 1awake Mar 2014 #42
Only if we make them rename American Cheese by its descriptive name..... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2014 #17
*Snort* Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #23
In return, does this mean... Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #21
Sounds like a deal. sibelian Mar 2014 #31
Hard to fit that on a concert t-shirt Jeff In Milwaukee Mar 2014 #36
Well, you could maybe have a really big concert T-shirt. sibelian Mar 2014 #38
Uh oh...you'll never Get Lucky, then....? MADem Mar 2014 #85
Phew! That was the first time I had ever heard them. left on green only Mar 2014 #104
I dunno about them, but the guy in the car is quite popular with the kids these days. MADem Mar 2014 #105
Thank You! I Had No Idea. left on green only Mar 2014 #106
Silliness. NYC Liberal Mar 2014 #27
Not any more silly than Vidalia Onions. Separation Mar 2014 #40
Near As I Can Tell Kraft Doesn't Even Make Cheese, In Spite Of What They May Call It. n/t left on green only Mar 2014 #29
+1 Javaman Mar 2014 #33
Coming to a store soon - Cheese food product formerly known as Parmesan herding cats Mar 2014 #35
Screw them MO_Moderate Mar 2014 #37
Good, then foreign products will be easier to avoid. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2014 #39
See "Champagne" Iggo Mar 2014 #46
Not entirely true. They cry about it, we still use the word. If you had your toe in the pond before MADem Mar 2014 #73
A little late for this, no? geek tragedy Mar 2014 #49
There is plenty of good cheese makers in the U.S., sufrommich Mar 2014 #50
So, people who work for literally generations to develop a product baldguy Mar 2014 #52
Kraft just has to come up with a commercial name for their stuff. hunter Mar 2014 #60
What's next? Will they come after our Greek yogurt? KamaAina Mar 2014 #62
Which makes tzatziki taste like Aerows Mar 2014 #82
I may actually be having a gyro for lunch tomorrow KamaAina Mar 2014 #91
I adore a good lamb gyro Aerows Mar 2014 #94
The cafeteria in my work place Aerows Mar 2014 #95
The hell of it is, the county building isn't even my workplace KamaAina Mar 2014 #98
They fight harder for parmesan than their privacy LittleBlue Mar 2014 #63
People can fight for two things at the same time Aerows Mar 2014 #83
hamburgers should only be from hamburg. unblock Mar 2014 #76
Well, as long as they contain beef and cheese Aerows Mar 2014 #84
fair enough. and while we're at it, wieners should only come from vienna (wien) ;) unblock Mar 2014 #86
No arguments there, my friend :D Aerows Mar 2014 #87
I don't know what Gorgonzola tastes like there Omaha Steve Mar 2014 #79
I doubt there's any chance they'll get word of Chicago's... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #88
We can have "Parmesan, " and Europe can have "Parmigiana-Reggiano." WinkyDink Mar 2014 #96
How about Fella Cheese an Farmer John Cheese? Lint Head Mar 2014 #103
. Flying Squirrel Mar 2014 #107
2013 - Turkish firm moves to trademark Idaho's state name IDemo Mar 2014 #108
No Turkey is not an EU member state. dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #109
Thanks, I'm finding iffy information about this online IDemo Mar 2014 #110
Saga has been going on for years dipsydoodle Mar 2014 #111
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
1. I actually agree with this
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:07 PM
Mar 2014

Feta made in the US is NOTHING like Feta made in Europe. It would be wonderful to actually have US manufacturers adhere to the exacting standards of the EU to produce cheese. Does it cost more? Maybe, but it will taste a LOT better.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
4. Render unto the taste buds
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:13 PM
Mar 2014

that which is expected by the taste buds (and the packaging describing the contents).

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
5. The we should take back or demand that everything our country originated be renamed
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:14 PM
Mar 2014

when used in Europe. I would start by closing military bases in Europe.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
7. I'd start by closing military bases around the world
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:15 PM
Mar 2014

regardless, frankly. We have too many of the damn things.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
10. Feta made in Europe
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:21 PM
Mar 2014

has to be at least 70% ewe's milk and the other 30% can only be goat's milk. In the US it is all made of cow's milk which is why it doesn't taste as good. Horse (who would raise a horse for milk anyway? They aren't particularly known as great producers ...) nor cow would qualify for the label and the manufacturer would be heavily fined.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
61. Central Asians
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 12:30 PM
Mar 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kumis

Kumis, also spelled kumiss or koumiss in English (or kumys, see other transliterations and cognate words below under terminology and etymology) is a fermented dairy product traditionally made from mare's milk. The drink remains important to the peoples of the Central Asian steppes, of Huno-Bulgar, Turkic and Mongol origin: Bashkirs, Kalmyks, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, Mongols, Uyghurs, and Yakuts.[1]

Kumis is a dairy product similar to kefir, but is produced from a liquid starter culture, in contrast to the solid kefir "grains". Because mare's milk contains more sugars than cow's or goat's milk, when fermented, kumis has a higher, though still mild, alcohol content compared to kefir.
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
64. Yes, but that's a different type of product
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 12:52 PM
Mar 2014

It's fermented horse milk. Regular horse milk (not fermented) is a strong laxative. You can't drink it without it being fermented.

But since you brought it up, there are some cheese made out of unlikely sources:

http://webecoist.momtastic.com/2011/01/11/from-another-udder-nine-nutty-non-cow-cheeses/

 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
89. I know of a cheese maker who does not use
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 08:21 PM
Mar 2014

cow's milk to make feta. Blanket statements are often not accurate.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
90. Please supply their name
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 08:27 PM
Mar 2014

so that I may shop in their cheese store!

I am one hundred percent serious.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
55. I think he's riffing on this.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:50 AM
Mar 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_meat_adulteration_scandal

The scandal went from UK to Eire to France to Belgium to the Netherlands to Lithuania to Latvia to Poland to Italy to Spain to Switzerland and beyond....

Neigh, neigh, they say--not me!
 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
66. LOL!
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:08 PM
Mar 2014

Thanks for connecting that. I couldn't imagine why in the world the poster would have thought they made Feta out of horse milk.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
68. It started with those IKEA meatballs!!!!
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:14 PM
Mar 2014

Q. Would you like some?

A. Oh, neigh, none for me!!!

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
41. I've had American made feta that is like the original.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:40 AM
Mar 2014

It's made by small producers and it does cost more than supermarket feta. It's creamier and less aggressively salty. Same thing with Parmesan cheese: good craft cheese makers in the U.S. make products that are very similar to true Parmesan, and yes they cost more although not as much as imported Parmesan.

CBGLuthier

(12,723 posts)
43. This is not about standards. this is about regions owning labels.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:53 AM
Mar 2014

No american company no matter how well they make it will be allowed to make parmesan or feta just like no american company can make champagne.

This does not matter to me as I do not eat that shit in a can. My Parmesan Reggiano kicks its ass around the block and back again. The feta I prefer is Belgian so I imagine they will have to change the name too.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
71. I've had a "Philly Cheesesteak" in Tokyo that was flat out delicious.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:26 PM
Mar 2014

It doesn't make me think that Tokyo "owns" the product. I've eaten a "California roll" on Cape Cod. I've had "Boston Baked Beans" in Wales. Kentucky Fried Chicken, too--in Wales AND Tehran (FWIW, it tastes just as squirrelly over there, as here).

I think people should lighten up. Food tastes good, or it doesn't. People have discerning palates, or they don't. Smart people will figure it out--stupid people won't have a clue no matter how it's put to them. They won't care, either.

That 'champagne' horse left the barn years ago--never mind "the champagne of bottled beers," and "Georgia Champagne" (Coca-Cola), there's this:



They call it "American Champagne" or "California Champagne" and annotate it as "sparkling wine" but they still trot the word out. The grapes, some of them anyway, often as not, are cuttings from the Champagne region.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
74. "tastes just as squirrelly"
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:32 PM
Mar 2014

KFC does taste "squirelly" and heaven help me, it is my favorite fried chicken restaurant. I have choices without number in the state of MS, but I prefer the KFC. And I will admit to eating fried rabbit, too. I think we had fried tree rabbit (squirrel) once. Mother wouldn't eat any of it, but I thought it was pretty tasty. I've always been adventurous when it comes to food.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
77. There was a KFC up in northern Tehran....
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 05:18 PM
Mar 2014

...that was VERY popular during Ramadan.

They'd cook the chicken, and you could smell it all over the square.

Now, you're supposed to fast during Ramadan, abstaining from food or beverage from dawn till dusk. The owners of the KFC would put huge sheets up in the windows of the place, so you couldn't see in so as not to tempt the devout (normally the diners were on display in front of large plate glass windows). Pretty much everyone, save the obvious westerners, in there during the month long fast, chowing down on chicken and sides, would have at their feet--ostentatiously--a SUITCASE! A very light suitcase, from all appearances, the way they'd carry 'em.

Why? Because TRAVELLERS were exempt from the fasting requirement. Never mind that the KFC was no where near the bus station, the train station or the airport...hey, you COULD be on your way to any one of those! After all, taking a bus, train or plane is heavy work....just like driving a caravan of camels across a cruel desert!

I always had to laugh....!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
80. That's funny!
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 06:22 PM
Mar 2014

I love the drenched in buttermilk style of KFC. The could pretty much drench anything in buttermilk for 12 hours and it would taste good when you fried it

You know that they had patrons sneaking in the back door, though .

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
99. do you have any Popeye's fried chicken places where you live? to me that trumps KFC.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:26 PM
Mar 2014

but KFC extra crispy will do in a pinch

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
51. Same here.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:24 AM
Mar 2014

One thing I miss most about Europe ARE the cheeses…

American versions can't compare.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
65. They really can't
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:04 PM
Mar 2014

Excellent cheeses made to a standard of known ingredients are better than "Well, this kind of seems like X cheese, so let's label it as such!"

No. It either is made from the correct ingredients, or it isn't.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
57. Wouldn't it be easier
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 12:01 PM
Mar 2014

to simply require country of origin labeling?

You like Greek feta, so presumably you would buy the variety that comes from Greece. Someone else might not have your exacting taste buds and would happily buy the American version of the cheese. Someone else might consider you a cheese Philistine and swear that only feta made from sheep raised by virgin shepherd's on the island of Lesbos is real feta . . .

"Feta" is a Greek word with roots in Latin - it's not really an identifier of a particular kind of cheese, except in the strictly legal sense of the EU - the same EU that tried to ban the sale of lumpy carrots and crooked cucumbers . . .

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
59. Or the actual ingredients of the cheese
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 12:24 PM
Mar 2014

It just says milk and salt on Athenos Feta. The entire distinction of Feta cheese is that it is made of ewe's milk 70% and up with only goat's milk allowed to make up the difference. Athenos uses only cow's milk. That's not Feta.

That's just one example. Parmesan cheese in the green can ... :shudder:. I'm not sure I'd WANT to know what is in that.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
67. Aren't those the
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:12 PM
Mar 2014

women in Harry Potter that were seductive and beautiful? Clearly their bodily resources go towards their looks, not their milk production.

Oh wait, I was thinking of Veela. Seductive, easily melted cheese that you don't know has possessed you until it does. Though Fleur did truly love the eldest Weasley

Kilgore

(1,733 posts)
92. Velvas are one of the two the great industrial heard animals...
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:58 PM
Mar 2014

The other are esters whose fur is used for making clothing. They live in colonies called poly-esters!!

Bad Thoughts

(2,524 posts)
6. As far as Parmesan and Gorgonzola, I agree
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:14 PM
Mar 2014

The name designates the place of production as much as the style and taste.

fujiyama

(15,185 posts)
11. I can understand why they would want this.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:23 PM
Mar 2014

It will be like Champagne. And the names of these foods would designate a symbol of authenticity and quality.


Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
14. I agree with Europe because that crap pictured on the OP
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:42 PM
Mar 2014

barely qualifies as edible cheese let alone Parmesan

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
20. As little as it actually takes like parmesan, a person would be as well off just putting extra salt
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 12:54 AM
Mar 2014

on their pasta.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
54. It's also the place where Europeans come and LOVE the food, because there's so much variety.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:42 AM
Mar 2014

Try getting Thai food in a small town in France. It's not happening. Try getting something as basic as CHINESE...not happening, either!

As someone who has lived in many corners of the world, let me tell you--there's "crap food" everywhere. EVERYWHERE. Not everything is fresh and lovely--lots of places, there are sketchy products, crappy sellers, but you won't find that junk in the "tourist" areas of countries that have a 'food' reputation. It's way too easy to focus on the bad, and not recognize that there's plenty that isn't just good, but excellent, for those who are discerning.

Europeans love the variety here, and ask ANY Italian; they will tell you that American calamari beats Italian calamari in taste, flavor, texture and sheer deliciousness by leaps and bounds. I have to agree.

Not everything "American" is "bad." The taste of the individual matters, and there are people all over the world with "low brow" tastes in food.

I used to live across the street from a family in Italy that were familiar with American products. The daughter adored "LUCKY CHARMS." The son was cool with his buds when he could bring "BUDWEISER" to the party. I would recoil in horror, but periodically bring these things to the kids (young adults, mind you--I wasn't giving beer to a grade-schooler) because it pleased them.

The father had a thing for ---this is the oddest thing---Green Giant frozen corn on the cob. His wife would BAKE it for him, and he'd eat the whole package by himself. He thought it was the most wonderful thing in the world (over there, corn is usually fed to animals, not people, and he loved the sweetness of it). The wife liked American ice cream...!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
72. Hey we all have different tastes
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:30 PM
Mar 2014

I'm pretty much a foodie for most things, but try to get me out of a McDonald's without a Big Mac? Not in this lifetime

MADem

(135,425 posts)
78. I haven't had one of those in decades...but I remember I liked them when I had the odd one!
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 05:24 PM
Mar 2014

Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun!

I still remember the ingredients!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
81. Still my favorite hamburger
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 06:23 PM
Mar 2014

though if they make them "Mega Mac" style with two quarter pounder patties, they are even better

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
15. Poppycock... should Cheddar only come from Cheddar?
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:43 PM
Mar 2014

That's where it originate?

Should Americans ban Hamburgers in Hamburg?

this is silliness squared

JCMach1

(27,559 posts)
100. I have been to Cheddar and bought cave-aged cheese...
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 12:09 AM
Mar 2014

very tasty...

But then again so is some of the American cheddar...

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
30. I certainly see your point
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 05:40 AM
Mar 2014

but the fact is that "cheddar" is now used across the UK as a name for any other cheese made in a similar way. So it's already too broken.

Being from the UK I actually don't have a problem with the bog-standard "cheddar" we get in supermarkets being correctly named as "orange plastic gunk". It seems fair to me.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
58. I'm with you. I know full well the difference between prosciutto and proscuitto-style ham.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 12:03 PM
Mar 2014

I think aggressive labeling panders to the lowest common denominator. A stupid person isn't going to care, a smart person is going to read the label and know that the product is ersatz and not the real deal.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
16. As revenge we should ban the Italians from making "American Cheese". Including the slices.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:49 PM
Mar 2014

Ha! That will make them change their tune!

left on green only

(1,484 posts)
32. Why Would You Even Think That Anyone In Italy Would Ever Want To Eat American Cheese?
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 05:45 AM
Mar 2014

American Cheese isn't even cheese, just like McDonalds milk shakes aren't made out of milk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_cheese

Read it and weep.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
17. Only if we make them rename American Cheese by its descriptive name.....
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 11:01 PM
Mar 2014

...."bland squares of orange plastic."

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
23. *Snort*
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 01:00 AM
Mar 2014

Guffaw.

Cause, you know, it comes from the "yellow milk" they collect down at the dairy barn (wink, wink).

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
21. In return, does this mean...
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 12:59 AM
Mar 2014

that we can stop calling whatever Daft Punk is doing "rock and roll?"

Cause we fucking invented that....

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
31. Sounds like a deal.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 05:43 AM
Mar 2014

This European will gladly join you in removing "rock and roll" from the descriptors of Daft Punk in exchange for "bizarrely asexual beeping resembling embarassed pocket calculators at a high school disco unsure which of them is to make the first move".

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
38. Well, you could maybe have a really big concert T-shirt.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:27 AM
Mar 2014

Five people inside it.

Incidentally, I'd just like to remove any possbile ambiguity about my opinions of Daft Punk - THEY SUCK.

We could maybe put "Daft Punk SUCK" on a T-shirt.

left on green only

(1,484 posts)
104. Phew! That was the first time I had ever heard them.
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 02:29 AM
Mar 2014

Do you suppose John Travolta is producing them? And was that guy driving in the car in the video supposed to be the kind of guy they imagine is interested in listening to them?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
105. I dunno about them, but the guy in the car is quite popular with the kids these days.
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 02:47 AM
Mar 2014

He had a song up for the Oscars. He didn't win, another earworm-ish song did.

herding cats

(19,565 posts)
35. Coming to a store soon - Cheese food product formerly known as Parmesan
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 08:58 AM
Mar 2014

No doubt the haters will rant and carry on about those elite Europeans for awhile, but they'll eat their 'not a fraction as good as the real things' fake cheeses and adjust.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
39. Good, then foreign products will be easier to avoid.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:38 AM
Mar 2014

I think food should be local, the more local the better. The EU and everywhere else can keep this stuff that's transported here from great distances.

I wish all the foreign producers would do the same thing. As a start, at least they could make their labels clearer to read.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
73. Not entirely true. They cry about it, we still use the word. If you had your toe in the pond before
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 03:32 PM
Mar 2014

2006, you can still swim. And there are a ton of producers who got their labels out!

The wine agreement signed in 2006 between the EU and the United States banned new US producers using the word ‘Champagne’ on their labels, but the agreement was not retrospective.

‘Producers (like Korbel) who used the word ‘Champagne’ on their labels before 2006 may continue to do so but they must say New York Champagne or Californian Champagne,’ Heitner said.
Read more at http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-news/530767/obama-menu-champagne-blunder-threatens-entente-cordiale#JK0kvTUsCyrRCdCu.99

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
50. There is plenty of good cheese makers in the U.S.,
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:22 AM
Mar 2014

maybe forcing the U.S. to import cheeses with European names will actually help local dairy farms and cheese makers instead.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
52. So, people who work for literally generations to develop a product
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:24 AM
Mar 2014

should benefit from subsequent demand for that product, and should not suffer because of inferior knock-offs.

What a concept! The fact that anyone is opposed to such a proposal - especially in a "liberal" place like DU - is astonishing.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
60. Kraft just has to come up with a commercial name for their stuff.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 12:26 PM
Mar 2014

They could hire the same folks who do that for the pharmaceutical companies.

Come up with a slightly different formulation of an old drug, slap a sophisticated sounding name on it, profit!!!

The marks will probably pay more for that than they would actual Parmesan.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
62. What's next? Will they come after our Greek yogurt?
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 12:32 PM
Mar 2014


Actual Greek yogurt from Greece is strained. The American knockoff uses thickeners to produce a similar consistency.
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
91. I may actually be having a gyro for lunch tomorrow
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:54 PM
Mar 2014

a rare treat, as the only options within walking distance of my office are Mickey D's, Denny's, and the gourmet option , the cafeteria in the county building.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
94. I adore a good lamb gyro
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:38 PM
Mar 2014

tzatziki, feta, crisp romaine on flatbread with delicately marinated lamb. Yum, Yum Yum. A couple of olives, and it is heaven.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
95. The cafeteria in my work place
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:54 PM
Mar 2014

is worse. I assure you. Hell, the toilet paper got inspected for metal flakes after all of the women got together and determined that we all had "itch", UTI, and chafing. They had to change the toilet paper because the metal flake content was too high. I shit you not. They were trying to save money.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
98. The hell of it is, the county building isn't even my workplace
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:25 PM
Mar 2014

it's a couple of blocks away, as are the other options.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
83. People can fight for two things at the same time
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 06:27 PM
Mar 2014

and really, this isn't a different fight. It's a fight about disclosure If you do it, prepare to say explicitly that you do.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
84. Well, as long as they contain beef and cheese
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 06:32 PM
Mar 2014

I'm fine with a cheeseburger no matter where it comes from, provided it is cooked correctly. The fight is more along the lines of using ground up hot dog wieners pressing them into a patty and calling it a hamburger.

Do you think that ground up fish or ground up pork makes a true hamburger? That's what the standards are about. If it is called something, it should have that something in the package. Thank me when you eat a hamburger and aren't concerned whether it contains whale, chicken hearts and turkey guts because that was cheaper than "all beef".

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
87. No arguments there, my friend :D
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 07:58 PM
Mar 2014

Vienna makes a damn good wiener. Sauerkraut, onions and mustard on a one of those? Good eating!!!!

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
88. I doubt there's any chance they'll get word of Chicago's...
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 08:01 PM
Mar 2014

Italian beef sandwich



Which is a French Dip with Italian giardiniera peppers

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
108. 2013 - Turkish firm moves to trademark Idaho's state name
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 06:45 AM
Mar 2014
Not sure if Turkey is a fully qualified EU member yet or not, but just to demonstrate that the US is not the only abuser here:

If you want to get an idea of how serious Idaho is about its potatoes, you don't need to go to a farm. All you need is a busy street. Every standard-issue license plate in Idaho is emblazoned with the words "Famous Potatoes." So, it's no surprise that alarm bells went off in Idaho last month. That's when the state learned a Turkish company was trying to trademark the Idaho name.

"I think it's clear. They want to create a brand and they want to call it 'Idaho,'" says Patrick Kole. Kole handles legal affairs for the Idaho Potato Commission.

He says the trademark would mean if Idaho producers sell their potatoes in Turkey, they wouldn't be allowed to put the word Idaho on them. Kole worries the closely guarded phrase "Idaho potatoes" could become generic.

"You can look at a lot of terms that historically were associated with places. Whether it's Brussels sprouts or cheddar -- because there's a village in England called Cheddar. Feta. These terms have become generic so that they're not capable of being protected any longer," says Kole.

http://www.marketplace.org/topics/business/turkish-firm-moves-trademark-idahos-state-name

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
110. Thanks, I'm finding iffy information about this online
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 07:16 AM
Mar 2014
Europe calls on Turkey to get serious about association

STRASBOURG, France, March 12 (UPI) -- Ankara needs to show its commitment to meeting European standards on justice and freedom of expression, the European Parliament said Wednesday.

Turkey aspires to a closer relationship with the European Union. Members of the European Parliament passed a resolution Wednesday saying it had "deep concerns" about the pace of reforms in Turkey.

"Recent developments in the area of fundamental freedoms, independence of the judiciary, freedom of expression and others are however a cause of grave concern for us," Parliament's special envoy on Turkey Ria Oomen-Ruijten said. "We now need a serious, constructive dialogue with Turkey on these subjects and Turkey needs to show true commitment to its European aspirations and to the values upon which the EU is founded."

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/Special/2014/03/12/Europe-calls-on-Turkey-to-get-serious-about-association/UPI-20561394642993/

My point wasn't so much to tie the EU to hypocritical behavior as to show that the US is not alone in "borrowing" regional and cultural names for its own uses.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
111. Saga has been going on for years
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 07:27 AM
Mar 2014

Turkey has been an associate member since 1963 and joined the customs union 1995 - it remains a candidate only.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accession_of_Turkey_to_the_European_Union

When it finally comes down to it if one single current EU member state vetoed the application that would be it . Those are the rules and there is also no appeal under those rules.

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