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After the most recent updates, it's looking more and more like the MH370 was stolen in a very elaborate, well planned plot that required at least 2 miles of road to be blocked off for landing.
The transponders were systematically shut off.
There is no debris at all.
Look for satellite footage of roads, not oceans.
I hope whoever did this will spare the lives of those on board.
Update: According to Forbes, for this to work,
Interstate highways have a minimum of two 12 foot lanes + outside shoulder of 10 ft + interior shoulder of 4 feet. That gives a runway width of 38 feet. Although I could only find interior cabin dimensions for the 747 and the C-130J, Im pretty sure that hull thickness is not on the order of feet so it looks like the basic minimum specs work for the cabin and by inference the wheel track.
That brings to the question of length. Per Boeings Airport Planning Guide for the 747-800 (http://www.boeing.com/commercial Graphs 3.4.1 and 3.4.2 on pages 41 & 42), it requires a minimum of about about 4750 feet (0.9 miles, 1448 meters) of dry runway at sea level for an with an unloaded aircraft. This goes up to about 11,500 feet (2.2 miles, 3505 meters) on a wet runway with a fully loaded aircraft.
It will need to be a very straight section of interstate. No curves.
It will need to be a very flat section of interstate. No hills or mountains.
It will need to be a comparatively unobstructed section of interstate. No overpasses or interchanges.
The 747 has a wingspan of 200 feet. There shouldnt be anything buildings, billboards, trees, etc. within a bare of minimum of 125 feet of the outside of the outer shoulder.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2012/09/25/could-you-land-a-large-plane-on-an-interstate-highway/
1000words
(7,051 posts)We have a summer blockbuster!
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)was your post really necessary?
1000words
(7,051 posts)Really.
It is far, and I mean far more likely that plane is at the bottom of the ocean ... somewhere. The only lives at stake being those searching for it. The only thing I am being insensitive to is your creative speculation.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)what post by chillfactor caused you to reply "Was yours?"...
You are not making sense.
Tx4obama
(36,974 posts)... I doubt the hijackers would have housing and food for 230+ people.
So, (I hope not), but it seems either way - a crash or hijacking - the majority of the passengers are most likely dead by now.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)passengers would be their collateral. If they were found out, and it were discovered the passengers were dead Malaysia or someone else would have droned their ass. The kink in that theory is that the plane was supposedly going to be used for something else. As in, probably filled with explosives and flown into something. That or just flown into something. We'll see, but I'm with you, I hope they're okay even if they are being used as hostages. At least they would have a chance.
treestar
(82,383 posts)And make their demands.
Or their planned landing could have gone wrong and killed everyone. They'd have to try it in a remote area.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)That's why they took the plane up to 45,000 feet. Decompressed the cabin. Then descended back down. They would have survived minutes at best.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)I'm thinking that the group that could pull off the disappearing act with this plane would have that part of it planned better than this. But the truth is stranger than fiction sometimes. You could be right.
B2G
(9,766 posts)and Malaysian military radar had it at 45K feet before decending. You wouldn't need to keep it at that altitude very long to accomplish this.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)So risky or not, the plane flew for several hours after doing that maneuver.
I too believe the passengers are all dead now.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)High altitude disintegration.
B2G
(9,766 posts)and that was the most efficient way to do it.
What would be risky would be to try to corral 300 people for 7+ hours until they reached their destination.
They're dead.
chillfactor
(7,576 posts)and no debris has been found in the oceans...it is looking more and more like a hijacking.....they should start searching more land masses rather than the oceans...
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)And there may never be debris found.... absence of debris doesn't mean it isn't at the bottom of the ocean. They search area is over 50,000 square miles
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)recorded somewhere on the ocean that might indicate the plane impacted the water.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)which said a seismic shake was detected on the ocean floor some time after the plane was hijacked.
Sam
JimDandy
(7,318 posts)The searchers didn't give any credence to this report, though and have continued to search in the Indian Ocean instead.
30cal
(99 posts)It doesn't make sense for a group to do this.
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(19,768 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Too high profile, too few aircraft, too difficult to maintain without Boeing.
You'd steal an older plane like a 747.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)It were some sort of right-wing group, perhaps they thought they could use the plane to drop a bomb, maybe some nuclear weapon, on a targeted country. What else could the plane be used for except something like an attack by terrorists???
Sam
jeff47
(26,549 posts)First, you'd need a road much wider than the typical road in that part of the world. You're not going to find many 6-lane interstate-like roads there, and the ones you do find are going to have traffic. Which might notice the unscheduled road closure and the giant airplane landing on the road.
Second, 777s are heavy. A landing 777 puts tremendous pressure on the "runway". Airport runways are many times thicker than highways in order to deal with the load. A typical interstate is 8" thick concrete. A typical major airport runway is 24-48* thick concrete. You'd have pretty severe damage to the roadway from the 777 landing.
30cal
(99 posts)It can be done by using a temporary tarmac but now we are talking James Bond super villain kind of stuff.
The money and resources it would take to do this they could buy a used Jumbo jet
JI7
(89,251 posts)not terrorism when i think of things the op is saying.
and of course ALIENS
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LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Your very own source tells you why it's stupid.
30cal
(99 posts)LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Maybe get a cheap new paint job at Earl Scheib if you're feeling ambitious.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Riiiiiigggghhhht!
Lasher
(27,597 posts)Then they could sell it and nobody would suspect a thing.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Iggo
(47,558 posts)WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)rouge pilot
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)kentauros
(29,414 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)to protect its passengers against a far right-wing menace.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)Fuck!
Ghost in the Machine
(14,912 posts)Theory thread....
Peace,
Ghost
Zorra
(27,670 posts)hijack jets and fly them smack dab into the World Trade Center in the middle of fucking New York City!
And then the Pentagon!
Get real!
Things like these just can't happen in real life, in the realworld.
brooklynite
(94,591 posts)This plane was flying in Southeast Asia. They don't HAVE interstate highways, and they don't have deserts in which the roads they do have are long enough and wide enough to land a plane on, THEN hide it, and THEN presumably prepare it for future takeoff. There's a reason plots like this are found in James Bond movies.
If you accept two reasonable points: 1) the plane had a communications failure, and 2) the plane turned around because of the failure, it's not unreasonable to assume the plane crossed Malaysia into the Straits of Malacca and/or the Indian Ocean, and thus it is (or was) in an area nobody was looking in.
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(19,768 posts)geomon666
(7,512 posts)The landing part, not so much the hijacking part, unfortunately.
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(19,768 posts)geomon666
(7,512 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)if preplanned, that could be part of it. The problem would be radar in any country flown over not getting anything. And it would have to be remote, but even so, people on the ground could notice something.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)that yes, somebody would have noticed and reported to local authorities and they'd send it up the line. Unless it's a hostile government (N. Korea? Wrong way) that did this, the word would get out quite soon.
As for landing on a blocked off roadway, there's a difference between a landing and a successful landing and I'm not optimistic that the latter could have been accomplished anywhere but an airport built for it.
undeterred
(34,658 posts)I hear he's good at blocking off traffic.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)and after the wars were finished, the roads were abandoned....
Here's a link to abandoned and forgotten military runways in the North Pacific - certainly still serviceable I presume with some patching.
http://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/2010/04/lost-american-airfields-of-the-north-pacific/
I'm wondering if there's something similar with old military access roads...
FWIW, I don't think this is a silly speculation at all.
penultimate
(1,110 posts)Cheap bastards.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Truth imitating fiction .
Need to restart interest in the book club.
Oprah did it.