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A Russian diplomat was found stabbed following a drunken quarrel in Ottawa, Canada, according to local media.
The 44-year-old man was taken to hospital in stable condition on Friday morning. Another man is in police custody but has not been charged.
A spokesman for Canada's Department of Foreign Affairs told the BBC there was no indication the attack was "politically motivated".
The Russian Embassy in Canada has declined to comment on the incident.
Police and paramedics were called shortly before 09:00 local time (13:00 GMT) on Friday to a residential building in a neighbourhood of Canada's capital with several embassies.
The victim, who paramedics believed was intoxicated, was in the lobby of the building when they arrived and initially refused treatment, the Ottawa Citizen reported.
He had been stabbed in the arm and the back and was transported to hospital for treatment.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26587357
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Who thinks the Hockey Gold Medals were mentioned during this fight?
MADem
(135,425 posts)Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)supposed to determine the ethnicity of a victim before deciding whether to mock the victim or sympathize with the victim?
'Well played' wrt to the victim of a crime seems like an odd reaction to a tragedy. But it might be me, who generally doesn't care much what the ethnicity of a victim is. Should I?
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)Lighten up, Francis.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)But then I'm a Liberal Democrat, maybe that explains it?
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...but you clearly have no sense of humor if you didn't get the joke.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)have never amused me. Especially when the target of the ethnic joke is the victim of a crime.
Odd how selective our 'political correctness' has become, well some of us, anyhow.
Tell me a joke anytime, if it's a good, I will be your best audience.
But you can bet that if you try to make a joke based on ethnicity about the victim of a vicious crime, all bets are off, due to the fact that I really am a Liberal Democrat. Sorry if you don't like it.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)are not, then don't order me to use a feature I don't need, perhaps you should use it yourself. I am willing always, to discuss anything with anyone confident that I can defend my positions, and if I can't, willing to learn from those who earn my respect.
I always find it amusing btw, when someone who is unwilling to discuss their positions on issues, orders other people to use 'ignore'.
I have no one on ignore as there is no one I cannot have a discussion with unless they are too afraid of discussion.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...Joan of Arc much? There's nothing to discuss. I laughed at a joke; you admonished me for it; and I'm still laughing at said joke. Goodnight, skippy.
MADem
(135,425 posts)One drunk was a diplomat and he lied to the paramedics and said he was bitten by a dog. The other drunk, we don't know if he was a fellow diplomat, or what, but he got hurt in the fracas, too.
It's usually a good idea to do a little homework before you get up on a high horse, because it's a long climb down.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)stabbing did he? Yet he was the one you chose to make fun of. I find it sad on a human level which is all I have to go on right now.
snooper2
(30,151 posts)It was just a little stabby stabby,
Closer to something Chuckie's little hands would hold
MADem
(135,425 posts)There will be no light amusement, no wry remarks, there will only be dire and portentous pronouncements from the Buzzkill Crew!!!
When they go over the edge in this huffy fashion, I'm reminded of this scene:
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)They were injuring each OTHER...
And the diplomat said he was bit by a DAWG!
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/Russian+diplomat+found+stabbed+apartment+hallway/9617952/story.html
The man told paramedics the injuries he suffered were from dog bites and initially refused treatment.
The man eventually allowed paramedics to treat him before he was taken to hospital in stable condition.
Tactical paramedics found a second injured man in the apartment building.
Police said a man was put in handcuffs at the scene, but they could not confirm if they were arrested.
A source tells the Citizen the two men got into a fight earlier in the morning.
okaawhatever
(9,462 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)their ethnicity before deciding whether they deserve our normal human empathy for victims of crimes, or just think of their families, loved ones, the way normal human beings generally do?
I personally hope the perp is held accountable and the victim survives.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)label on someone, and viola, it's okay to laugh when they become the victim of a crime.
I feel sick, frankly ... thanks for remaining a human being with compassion regardless of the ethnicity of the victim. I hope he recovers and is able to return to his family safely.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)people's sincerity. Consistency is key to credibility.
Most people will automatically react with sympathy to a victim of a crime regardless of their ethnicity. Most people are pretty decent human beings capable of empathizing with others regardless of their ethnicity.
I worry about people who seem devoid of that natural, human trait to sympathize with those in pain.
MADem
(135,425 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)in subthreads--it's rude and childish.
Were you a tattle tale in school, too? Hmmmmm?
You're certainly a Grade A Scold here at DU!
How DARE anyone make fun of a drunkard who got a couple of flesh wounds in an altercation in the country that tanned his nation's hide in Olympic hockey....
How.....
DARE....
THEY!!!!!!!!
Oh, the Huge Manateeeeeee!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)LBJ signed an "act" that dealt with them. IN the SIXTIES!!!
Radical Lyndon!
How old are you, and did you learn history from that "Obama is a P word" teacher down in FL? Pssst-that's a rhetorical question, I really don't care where you were educated or how old you are, though I do have a good sense of how old you act online.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)It's what all people of color and many caucasian northerners did as a matter of course.
I suppose if you were south of the Mason-Dixon and you enjoyed the segregated waiting rooms, bathrooms, water fountains, and other "perks" of the status quo, you might think it radical, but no one in my set did.
And LBJ certainly didn't either.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)And the race riots in Northern cities.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I didn't live around any racists.
And Boston didn't burn when MLK was murdered.
We thank James Brown for that.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Now you're playing sad little childish games. It's what many people do when they don't have meaningful lives--they nitpick on the internet.
Why don't you go back to crying about the "poor stabbed Russian," who told the EMTs he was bitten by a dog... and raise up your fist in anger about the naked guy from the Canadian Forces--the "perp" yes? -- who was found near the knife, covered in blood, in bed? Yep, they got that perp...only they aren't sure who's who in that zoo....
functioning_cog
(294 posts)was broadcast on TV. Stop making things up about fellow DU posters.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Extraordinary people were.
functioning_cog
(294 posts)which MADem rebutted. Then you retorted that to be for civil rights in the 60's was radical.
I was merely calling that B.S.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)that he was a civil rights advocate in the 60s. Thus a radical.
functioning_cog
(294 posts)sorry, you are wrong. own it.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)11 Bravo
(23,926 posts)one of the most stupendously foolish statements ever made on DU.
Who could have guessed? 10's of millions of radicals, seditiously percolating away in the 60's, and somehow we still elected Richard Fucking Nixon.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)this incident didn't happen amongst "we" lousy old Americans, it happened amongst those Better-Than-Us Canadians! It ain't "WEEEE"..... it's "THEY!"
"We" didn't win the gold in hockey, either...you're really stepping in it good, here!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's just a question of a radical what, really.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)....and there's ANOTHER injured guy in the mix, too. Who was the "perp" in that case? Could it have been........
this VICTIM????
But hey, show us your bleeding heart, now...!
"Stable condition" means just what you'd suspect, ya know...
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)You really are easily agitated. And if you have no sense of humor, stay the hell out of a thread where people are making hockey jokes.
Just for you:
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)amusing.
Feel free to continue laughing at victims of crimes depending on their ethnicity if you wish, just don't expect all of us to see the 'joke' about a human being being stabbed.
MADem
(135,425 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)advice trashing threads?
MADem
(135,425 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)my conduct since I left Catholic Girls' School.
functioning_cog
(294 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Do I know you from anywhere?
MADem
(135,425 posts)And you have been stalking me for the last hour or so--even to a thread that is two weeks old. Why are you doing that? It smells a bit like goading and baiting to me, and that's pretty lousy conduct, as far as I'm concerned.
You probably should be admonished for your conduct more often, particularly when you do things like that.
Now have the last word! I know you want it!
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)Sid
MADem
(135,425 posts)Sounds like a game of Comrade Clue!!!!
Cha
(297,655 posts)applegrove
(118,778 posts)The russian at first didn't want any help from anyone. He was convinced to go to the hospital. Local police are in charge of the case not the rcmp. So it looks like it has no relation to any international intrigue.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He told the EMTs he was bitten by a dog....!!!!
As a diplomat, he has immunity anyway. The worst that could happen to him is a ticket home (and that's probably the worst--I'd rather be in Canada).
MADem
(135,425 posts)There's more here than meets the eye--it looks like he was "fighting" with another guy, and told the paramedics he was "bitten by a dog."
applegrove
(118,778 posts)The police have the other guy.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I can see why he wouldn't want this to get in the paper, what with Pootie's views on equality and all that...sounds like a lover's quarrel! Or maybe an assignation gone wrong...?
Yeah, bit by a dog, that's the ticket....
applegrove
(118,778 posts)on the details. But yeah. I think it was a lover quarrel.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Probably not as badly as the stabbed/it was a dog bite guy.
I'll bet that "diplomat" is going to want asylum in Canada, given Pootie's prejudices!
Cha
(297,655 posts)"bar" from? rhetorical.
Thanks, MADem.. I try not to make stories out of my imagination too often.
"Bitten by dog".. that would make his job as a "diplomat" more secure.
I couldn't find anything about the "dog".. where did you see that? Did get a pic this time of where it happened..
Police were called Friday morning to an apartment building in Sandy Hill close to the Russian Embassy in Ottawa. (Meredith O'Hara/CBC)
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/russian-diplomat-stabbed-near-embassy-in-ottawa-1.2572582?cmp=rss
MADem
(135,425 posts)This is the craziest story--it's like a soap opera! The naked person was Canadian Forces! The cops thought it was an espionage thing but apparently it was more pedestrian than that...
applegrove
(118,778 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)This is starting to read like a SOAP opera!!!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/03/14/russian-diplomat-stabbed-_1_n_4967858.html
Man charged after Russian diplomat stabbed
Naked Forces member found at bloody scene in Ottawa building
BY MEGHAN HURLEY AND SHAAMINI YOGARETNAM, OTTAWA CITIZEN MARCH 15, 2014 1:32 AM
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Russian+diplomat+stabbed+Ottawa+naked+military+found/9617945/story.html
Paramedics responded to the Rio Vista Apartments at 400 Stewart St. the home of many embassy employees just before 9 a.m. Friday to find the 44-year-old diplomat stabbed in the back and slashed on his arms.
Despite the nature of his injuries, the man, who police have not named, told paramedics that he was nothing more than the victim of an angry dog. He refused treatment, and not politely.
Once Ottawa police arrived, they followed the blood from the lobby into the elevator, then into an apartment unit. There they found a bloodied and naked member of the Canadian Forces, and a knife lying close enough for them to start asking the kinds of questions that needed answers......the diplomat and another man were drinking inside an apartment when an argument broke out. The man pulled a knife on the diplomat and started to slash him, forcing him to flee to the lobby.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Wow.. and I had them in a bar fight.
Thanks MADem for this additional info. The Plot Thickens! WTHeck!
MADem
(135,425 posts)then a lover's quarrel/assignation disagreement...
But I think a lot of people would have loved to be a fly on the wall to figure that thing out! One thing we know for sure, we've got two drunk guys, one's stabbed, one naked and injured in an undefined way, one's a Russian diplomat, the other is a member of Canadian Forces! And there may have been handcuffs!
If you wrote a movie with these scenes written in, you'd get pushback from the producer because it would be too "obvious" or "trite" or "formulaic!"
Cha
(297,655 posts)this headline.. I was thinking there were some kind of "Naked Forces" in Canada. I know that sounds silly but that's the way I read it. I kept checking to understand that..
I hear ya.. "obvious" or "trite" or "formulaic!".. Life imitates formulaic art!
One's a nasty drunk.
MADem
(135,425 posts)As in "Bloody hell!" ... ya just gotta shake yer head!!!
I wonder how hard it would be to recruit for the Naked Forces?
I don't think I'd pass the doggone physical....!
Cha
(297,655 posts)applegrove
(118,778 posts)between Sandy Hill and Lowertown where I live is about 3 blocks away.
Cha
(297,655 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Trainwreck.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)there's the start of the trainwreck, right there.
Sid
MADem
(135,425 posts)These things, you see, are VERBOTEN!
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)WTF was that?
Sid
MADem
(135,425 posts)then you're....waaaaaaah....discriminating!!
It's absolute madness. I'm sure the same folks with hair on fire about people being mean to the "poor drunken Russian diplomat who said his knife wounds were dog bites" would have an absolute high-blood-pressure shitfit reading this article on the wonders of their favorite news outlet, too...
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/how-the-truth-is-made-at-russia-today
Theyll hire really young people and you almost feel like youre working in a mini-CNN-type situation, the former reporter said. Youre not covering snowstorms or the puppy parade. Youre doing stories that are a lot bigger and meatier.
I was fresh out of college when I got the job offer, another former RT employee said in an email. The prospect of working in D.C. and not going to some small town to start my career was appealing.
They hire young and mold you into the journalist they want you to be, the former employee wrote. Blinded by ambition, eager to please and quite frankly inexperienced. That or they looked for people who shared RTs agenda (like Abby Martin). Martin, who has been involved in the 9/11 Truth movement and whose show frequently delves into other conspiracy theories, was hired after RT noticed her independent coverage of Occupy Oakland in 2011 and was given her own opinion show....But even when they leave, RT stays with them: Staffers sometimes have trouble finding jobs at legitimate outlets. Thats been a challenge, one former staffer said.
If some of the RT shills here aren't getting paid, they should!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt