What's going to happen to the LGBT community in Crimea once they fall under Russian control?

[Cali_Democrat]

Is there a way to ensure their safety through UN human rights monitors?

It's open season on the LGBT community in Russia. Anti-gay attacks are increasing:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024685142

Central Station was the target of at least three documented attacks in the past six months — one where armed men sprayed the club's unmarked door with bullets in November, another where malefactors released a harmful gas into the club just weeks later, and a third, allegedly organized by the building management, where a group of men dismantled the club's roof in December. In early January, the club's CEO resigned and formally requested asylum in the U.S.

That former owner, Andrei Lichinsky, told news outlets in January that police refused to respond to any of his 30 complaints about attacks on the club and its patrons, and that he had personally been targeted by the local prosecutor's office and had his car lit on fire, according to the U.K. LGBT outlet PinkNews.

[okaawhatever]

1. I'm glad you brought that up. I hadn't thought that far ahead. I hope they will be free to move to

Ukraine or another EU/US country is they so choose.

[shenmue]

2. I hope so too

I wish we would offer asylum to everyone being persecuted for that.

[former9thward]

3. Are you aware of the Ukrainian attitude towards LGBT?

Apparently not.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147385/Horrific-moment-thugs-attack-head-gay-rights-group-Ukraine-forced-cancel-parade-hijacked-neo-Nazi-zealots.html

[Cali_Democrat]

4. Has Ukraine implemented anti-LGBT legislation lately?

Along the lines of Russia?

[Bluenorthwest]

6. No, and there are a few gay oriented businesses in Kiev, but it is a dangerous

environment much like Russia because so much of the mindset is from Orthodox religion and Soviet era ideas. If I lived there, I'd leave.

[LuvNewcastle]

16. I'd leave too.

There's no way I could live with that kind of persecution. Just knowing that a crazy bastard could attack me anytime with impunity or the government might come get me and throw me in jail for who I am would drive me mad. I guess I just don't have the strength to deal with that kind of shit. And let's be clear, gay people who endure that shit and are able to survive are some very strong people.

[dipsydoodle]

9. Mail article is dated May 2012 - so not lately.

Subsequent to that Ukraine introduced an anti propaganda law that October.

Ukraine Parliament deputies approve law against homosexuality with landslide vote in first reading.

The Ukraine Parliament has voted massively in favor of a new law which would ban ‘propaganda’ about homosexuality.

Within the last hour 289 deputies voted for bill 8711, nobody voted against and just one abstained. Another 60 deputies were absent from the chamber.

The vote today (2 October) had only been announced yesterday, giving LGBT rights campaigners little time to organize against it.

Despite that 20 community activists and campaigners representing various organizations and initiatives gathered to protest against the proposed law.

See more at: http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/ukraine-votes-anti-gay-propaganda-law021012#sthash.xqQHrlYh.dpuf

Maybe that was where Russia got the idea to federalise existing laws in most of their federations.

[Junkdrawer]

15. and crickets....

I keep saying: Putin is, by Western standards, homophobic. By Eastern Orthodox standards, right in the middle.

[Xithras]

12. The "implementation" was only briefly derailed by the protests.

The Ukrainian Rada passed a law in 2012 that implemented Russian style anti-LGBT legislation, but it was never signed by Yanukovych and didn't become law. The Rada was going to take it up a second time last year, but the protests and everything that has followed sidelined it.

The interim Ukrainian government hasn't made any statements one way or the other as to the laws future, but most of its supporters are still in power. The new president Turchynov has been an open supporter of anti-gay legislation and has openly called homosexuality a "perversion" (believe it or not, he's an anti-gay Evangelical Baptist preacher). These people are NOT pro-equality.

[Marr]

5. Of course not. Our conservatives are only concerned with the LGBT community when they make a useful

political bat.

[QC]

8. Bingo!

The very same people who think it's the height of wit to refer to a gay man by a woman's name are now overflowing with concern for gay folk. Funny how that works.

[Marr]

11. Yep-- I remember that very well.

And all the spiteful dismissals of anger about Rick Warren, and the urges to put gay marriage aside for now because it would be a political drag, and a whole list of other things.

But man, as soon as gays will make a good lever, there they are! Long time pals.

[QC]

13. Sometimes The Gays are very useful, you know.

Like when one wants to prove that Ed Snowden is a poopie head.

[bobduca]

40. Hey the poster has a "gay friend"

I bet they don't even see gay, just like colbert doesn't see race!

[Aerows]

36. +10000 n/t

[Cha]

7. I'll tell ya one thing.. the Putin Dupes

around here won't give a shite.

[sheshe2]

10. We all have to stay aware of the situation.

If it is happening there it can and will happen anywhere. It is time to stop this madness.

Thank you for linking Williams thread, Cali_D

[davidpdx]

14. +1

Definitely

[LisaL]

17. What makes you think LGBT community would be doing any better under Ukrainian control?

[Puzzledtraveller]

42. they never thought that far

[morningfog]

18. I must have missed your thread calling for UN monitors in Uganda and Malaysia and

Russia and all the very many countries where the LGBT communities are under attack.

[Cali_Democrat]

19. So because I didn't create a thread about UN monitors in those countries

I'm not allowed to ask about the LGBT community in Crimea?

Got it.

I create a alot of threads, but thanks for setting me straight.

I've posted about LGBT issues in Russia before, in fact one of my old friends was a member of the LGBT community in Russia and he left to the UK not to long ago.

With all due respect, you know nothing about me and the notion that I'm not allowed to post about this subject is ridiculous. What I think you're doing is questioning my motives and pretending as if I don't really care about LBGT issues.

Welcome to ignore. The only person on my list in a LONG time.

[morningfog]

20. You're allowed to post what you want. I am allowed to point to your

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blatant dis-ingenuousness and your attempt to use GLBT issues when it is convenient to your argument.

I am questioning your motives. You are posting to rally around more involvement in Ukraine and exploiting the GLBT community to do it. It is transparent and is sad.

[Puglover]

21. Yup.

Being used as a cudgel when it is convenient gets tiresome fast.

[bobduca]

38. this.

[Puzzledtraveller]

43. Nice one!

[joeglow3]

22. Ahh. ANOTHER Russian apologist

[morningfog]

23. Ahhh. Nope. Not by a long shot bub.

But, I don't see a place for US military involvement, whatsoever. And I don't see any way that sanctions would ever undo the annexation of Crimea. I mean, seriously, you don't either, do you?

[joeglow3]

25. Neither my post, nor the one you responded to said that

Thus, that doesn't fit with the tone of your response.

[morningfog]

27. Okay, let me make it clear for you: Fuck Putin and Russia's bigotry and hate.

Fuck their treatment of the GLBT community and their bigoted laws. It is abhorrent and it is regressive and should be exposed.

The point is, and you willfully ignored it to call me an apologist, that the OP is using this plight to support actions in Ukraine. It is transparent and an attempt to exploit the GBLT community for his political agenda.

I haven't seen the OP, or anyone, call for UN monitors to intervene and and protect GLBTs in any of the dozens of countries where their lives are at risk. Only when it is advantageous to promote a political agenda do the likes of the OP suddenly see it as a serious issue.

It is bullshit, offensive and should be called out.

[joeglow3]

28. I read it differently.

All they offered were two sentences:

"Is there a way to ensure their safety through UN human rights monitors?

It's open season on the LGBT community in Russia. Anti-gay attacks are increasing"

I don't see advocating support of certain actions. Using your logic, since I have not discussed every single country in the world and their treatment of the GBLT community, I am precluded from discussing it regarding any. Frankly, that is flawed logic and if all of us followed this, I think we would find a lot of mute people.

[morningfog]

29. A poster's history adds context. I don't know yours.

[joeglow3]

30. I'll concede that

I don't know his posting history. Personally, I have not discussed it for other countries. However, I still think I can admit they are treated like shit in Russia.

[Capt. Obvious]

24. I scrolled through

Glad to see many people see the transparency of your OP.

[William769]

26. The same thing that happens to LGBT Russians.

A long life of misery, beatings, living in fear, losing their kids. Life in mother russia.

[cali]

31. Funny how the only time YOU and those like you, bring up LBGT issues

is when you can use that community to further whatever political agenda you have.

I find it disgraceful to the max.

[William769]

32. That couldn't farther from the truth about Cali_Democrat.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but then again...

[Aerows]

39. My blood pressure

and enjoyment of DU went to fine levels when I started using the ignore button. I have no doubt that I would be pissed if I read what that person posted, but I finally gave in and started using ignore.

[Capt. Obvious]

33. Yup

[Aerows]

35. Jury results

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Cali is exactly right in that assessment.

I was #6.

[Capt. Obvious]

41. Cheers Juror #6

[bobduca]

37. Amen to that

disgrace requires shame, and that poster demonstrates with every post how shameless they are and how stupid they think everyone here is.

[hrmjustin]

34. I would leave Crimea and seek asylum in another country.