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The Obamabots moniker was coined by the RW...and used by those who lean that direction. (Original Post) Demonaut Mar 2014 OP
I was thinking the same thing about the "flaming emo-progs" moniker. djean111 Mar 2014 #1
Neither one of them are helpful. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #4
but what they SHOULD do is support Democrats....but somehow some think hatred is support. VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #27
Now, you're stalking me? GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #30
because I replied I am stalking you? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #32
Nope. Not at all. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #114
Thought I was on your ignore list? Guess not VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #120
You are now. GoCubsGo Mar 2014 #127
Good I win! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #128
Public meltdown AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #162
Yes, and I've noticed they're not thinking logically or strategically at all. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #71
NOT at all...they don't get it....that the mushy middle votes for what appears to be the Winner... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #73
Exactly, Vanilla. I'm very much a leftist (probably too much) but if we don't get the Repugs out... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #79
They just got to understand we will NOT win by bashing Democrats.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #124
I'm hoping for the same. The bashing of Democrats should not be tolerated. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #141
the midterms are getting closer and closer... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #142
Yup, and the GOPers are pouring lots of $ into propaganda and lies nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #143
and then those lies somehow manage to spill over into DU....imagine that... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #144
Whatever the GOPers are most against, is what I'm most in favor of, so right now I'm more pro-Obama Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #146
TOTALLY on board with you Sarah...if the ACA is so bad that they try to repeal it 51 times so far... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #147
Yup! This is the first version of the first plan to offer health care to all, and I am excited Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #148
Yes me too....very much so... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #149
Then stop bashing Democrats AgingAmerican Mar 2014 #163
But who made up the "emo-progs" moniker? CJCRANE Mar 2014 #52
I have not even seen that used....and I have been here a while... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #75
Spamdan? Smarty? Cesca? There's a never-ending supply of... WorseBeforeBetter Mar 2014 #131
at least you admit it is intended as a pejorative. KittyWampus Mar 2014 #105
Yes, but who invented it and why? CJCRANE Mar 2014 #161
It doesn't describe supporters. It describes fanatics. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #2
And are you the one who makes that oh-so objective delineation? 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #5
Why, yes. Yes I am. Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #6
Well, at least you pretend to be.. LanternWaste Mar 2014 #11
Thanks for clearing that up for us. (And Bill O'Reilly says "thanks". He was tired ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #15
"Fanatics" is also a slur, which you use to describe anyone who approves of Obama's actions pnwmom Mar 2014 #67
Bullshit. It is a slur, to be sure, but my standard for application is not "approves more than me." Ed Suspicious Mar 2014 #86
YES! Same with "Obama Zombies", a title of a book alp227 Mar 2014 #3
ODS was also coined by the RW when it was known as BDS.. frylock Mar 2014 #7
Claiming a term was invented by the other side is a typical RW maneuver Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #8
As is rationalizing a pejorative... LanternWaste Mar 2014 #12
LOL LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #17
He's claiming it was invented by RWers which is probably true CJCRANE Mar 2014 #54
Linking to Urbandictionary is another well known RW tactic Capt. Obvious Mar 2014 #77
You're just going to call everything RW now aren't you? CJCRANE Mar 2014 #80
One still has to wonder Jamaal510 Mar 2014 #9
When he does Democratic things, sure LondonReign2 Mar 2014 #18
You're supposed to give him the benefit of a doubt when possible. randome Mar 2014 #19
What a way to divide treestar Mar 2014 #43
EXACTLY! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #28
Teddy?....Would you take this one? bvar22 Mar 2014 #33
Irrelevant. treestar Mar 2014 #44
Adding to or changing my sig with that one. cui bono Mar 2014 #51
perfect grasswire Mar 2014 #55
So, I should support cuts to social security, NSA excesses? This is the tsuki Mar 2014 #87
Are any DUers or Obama in favor of cuts to social security and NSA excesses? lumpy Mar 2014 #112
Okay, tsuki Mar 2014 #169
Obamabots vs Moonbats...both RW terms. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #10
Good to see you posting again! Wow, 2003. Rex Mar 2014 #13
I'm here everyday, I read but rarely post..I'm seeing more division than ever now on DU Demonaut Mar 2014 #14
I've pretty well given up. Whisp Mar 2014 #20
I can understand why you are so frustrated. Rex Mar 2014 #21
So how do you feel about the terms ODS, hater, firebagger, emoprog etc...? cui bono Mar 2014 #24
Riiiight, because any expression of frustration that fails to include YOUR pet peeve ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #26
I'm merely finding out if the concern is even handed or not. cui bono Mar 2014 #34
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Kolesar Mar 2014 #40
Shows that people do not understand what being a juror means. cui bono Mar 2014 #50
No. It's clear that *you* don't understand ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2014 #68
How the fuck did this place survive prior to Nov. 2, 2005? 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #104
I think juror #5 pretty neatly skewered your post. nt msanthrope Mar 2014 #170
And what did Juror #6 say?? Number23 Mar 2014 #89
Nuthin' Honey ... eom Kolesar Mar 2014 #165
there's no term that you'd accept as fair treestar Mar 2014 #45
What? So you'd like a deragatory term that the other side would approve of? cui bono Mar 2014 #49
yesterday the terms "Taliban" and "Teabaggers" were added to that list. grasswire Mar 2014 #57
Wow. cui bono Mar 2014 #59
Where's the link? I don't believe that came from a genuine DUer. nt CJCRANE Mar 2014 #60
genuine? grasswire Mar 2014 #65
Except she didn't say anything about Democrats. CJCRANE Mar 2014 #76
wrong grasswire Mar 2014 #78
Wow, your reading comprehension sucks. giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #84
I said nearly the same thing in my response to that poster. Amazing what some around here Number23 Mar 2014 #90
EXACTLY grasswire Mar 2014 #94
Don't expect them to have enough character admit that. Marr Mar 2014 #96
thank you grasswire Mar 2014 #101
Are agreeing and "affirming" the same thing? Number23 Mar 2014 #107
Indentions & quotation marks just kick some people's giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #103
"Indentations and quote marks just kick some people's asses" Indeed! Number23 Mar 2014 #109
who is "she"? grasswire Mar 2014 #93
Number 23, post 101, in post 65 of this thread giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #99
okay, I get it grasswire Mar 2014 #102
"Palsies. BFF, perhaps." Number23 Mar 2014 #111
you are the attacker, remember grasswire Mar 2014 #116
Because I agreed with the statement. Just about every place I've seen the same level of unhinged Number23 Mar 2014 #117
you "agreed with the statement" grasswire Mar 2014 #122
Good. Sounds as though it needs lots of it. Number23 Mar 2014 #123
This message was self-deleted by its author giftedgirl77 Mar 2014 #167
Another point that poster refuses (or is unable) to accept Number23 Mar 2014 #92
But when they own it, I find it similar to Tea Partyers owning the label... WhaTHellsgoingonhere Mar 2014 #16
I don't like the term and don't use it myself Gormy Cuss Mar 2014 #22
Can you please provide me with a link to your OP about ODS? cui bono Mar 2014 #23
start your own.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #29
Didn't you get the memo? All threads MUST address that poster's particular ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #35
DOH! I forgot!!! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #38
K&R Tarheel_Dem Mar 2014 #25
It seems to have come into vogue here at DU, I am just responding to those making threads about it quinnox Mar 2014 #31
Its called "owning" it....perhaps you might have heard of another perjorative going through that.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #39
The people who use the term disparagingly here are likley RWers. nt Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #36
And the term ODS was used on Republicans mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #37
and you DOUBT that hatred of Obama exists on DU? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #41
You're illustrating my point mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #53
Do you deny that hatred exists? VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #56
You're STILL isslustrating my point mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #64
I am proving WHY you are wrong... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #66
And you're proving that you're a robot more with each post mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #72
Oh yada yada yada....the PeeWee Herman Defense! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #74
You can't even acknowledge there is another side to the argument mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #81
There is no hatred of Obama here. If there is it is perhaps one or two people. cui bono Mar 2014 #63
baloney! If that were the case this place would be full of much more praise for him.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #69
The only reason you think that is because you equate any criticism of policy with hating Obama. cui bono Mar 2014 #98
Okay then.....I dare you....say something positive about President Obama... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #121
I'm not your little poodle. I don't bark on command. cui bono Mar 2014 #157
Not surprised I figured you couldn't.... VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #159
Bless your heart. "It's not here." "OK, maybe it's here, but just a little bit." "And anyway ... 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #108
How do you think Obama would feel cui bono Mar 2014 #113
I got two prime examples of full on raging Obama hate right here.. Cha Mar 2014 #95
Well yes, one of those posts does exhibit pure hate; the other post childish name calling and lumpy Mar 2014 #110
Nah, I'm going to go with Two examples of Obama HATE. Cha Mar 2014 #132
How do you suppose it is unquestioning? treestar Mar 2014 #47
"We've had no reason to question our support" mindwalker_i Mar 2014 #58
I just call people who support everything the President says or does unconditionally, cali Mar 2014 #42
Egg-zactly. And its not as if the Obama-bots don't toss out names all the time, like "Putinista, quinnox Mar 2014 #46
the latest I saw (yesterday) grasswire Mar 2014 #61
I see what you mean but I hope you're not insinuatiing Ive called Du'ers a racist for disagreeing Demonaut Mar 2014 #83
And your thread has not helped the infighting, it has only added to it because you selectively cui bono Mar 2014 #106
a side?...I'm a progressive Democrat, I'm not drawing lines in the political sand Demonaut Mar 2014 #115
Check. Your pejorative of choice ... not too bad. Those directed back at you ... shitty . 11 Bravo Mar 2014 #100
How does one determine who adores and worships the Prez unconditionally ? lumpy Mar 2014 #119
The "bot" term really has no place here frazzled Mar 2014 #48
I don't mind it. The folks who use it ... JoePhilly Mar 2014 #62
Yep Andy823 Mar 2014 #88
If rw started it then glenn greenwald picked it up real fast.. calling Obama's SUPPORTERS that.. Cha Mar 2014 #70
False premise. I thought up "Obamabot" all on my own. It wasn't a big stretch after "Bushbot". Marr Mar 2014 #82
I'm referring to context and DU Demonaut Mar 2014 #85
I don't follow you. Marr Mar 2014 #91
true dat grasswire Mar 2014 #97
The Third Wayers is also a shitty way to describe Hillary supporters. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #118
Has Mrs. Clinton come out against the 3rd way? pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #129
I don't plan on reading all that cut and paste stuff. Not interested! Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #133
Is she a third way candidate or not? Third way is a real group, very much like DLC pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #134
I'll make that decision when she announces her candidacy and platform. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #138
I agree with that, however it isn't fair to say 3rd way is derogatory because it pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #139
It's going to cost hundreds of millions to defeat the Rethugs, Koch brothers, Alderson, Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #145
be careful with compromise, wall street doesn't have your back pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #151
I don't want a grand bargain any more than I want a ReThug president Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #152
That's where we part ways, "realism" is the exactly the problem pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #153
You are putting words in my mouth! Are you actually thinking I want all those things. Auntie Bush Mar 2014 #154
This message was self-deleted by its author Marr Mar 2014 #135
It's a reasonable moniker the for the robotic defense to critical analysis pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #125
Bingo. kestrel91316 Mar 2014 #126
And the ones who toss it around the most baldguy Mar 2014 #130
Bullshit. /nt Marr Mar 2014 #137
Yes, the ones who call us "Obamabots" but suck up anything Greenwald throws their way. Cha Mar 2014 #156
Have you been reading anything??? It is not his supporters..... Logical Mar 2014 #136
he knows that Skittles Mar 2014 #160
Really? Y'all are going to start complaining about things because they started with right wingers? JoeyT Mar 2014 #140
Many conservatives find refuge here... they cheer conservative policies pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #155
Yeah, but the problem with people being JoeyT Mar 2014 #158
This is sort of like the "ACA isn't Heritage Care" thread Doctor_J Mar 2014 #150
I really don't care what they call me.. all they have are insults. I just consider the Cha Mar 2014 #164
Thats a good attitude to have Bodhi BloodWave Mar 2014 #166
Exactly Bodhi! Cha Mar 2014 #171
Wouldn't know, never used the term. 99Forever Mar 2014 #168
 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
1. I was thinking the same thing about the "flaming emo-progs" moniker.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:35 AM
Mar 2014

Actually, is it better or worse if a pejorative is coined by those who used to be on the same team......

Also, appending 'bots" onto anything at all is not a GOP invention.

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
4. Neither one of them are helpful.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:49 AM
Mar 2014

I don't understand why supposed Democrats feel the need to use pejoratives on each other, regardless of how vehemently they might disagree. This is all just more "divide and conquer".

GoCubsGo

(32,084 posts)
114. Nope. Not at all.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:33 PM
Mar 2014

No nerves struck. Just don't understand why you keep harping on me when I told you I'm not interested in engaging in a fight over whatever bug you have up your ass.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
120. Thought I was on your ignore list? Guess not
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:52 PM
Mar 2014

And people simply replying to you are neither stalking nor "harping" on you....do you have some kind of complex? This is a FORUM for that sort of thing you know...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
128. Good I win!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:04 PM
Mar 2014

buh bye!

SMDH...why people think THEIR ignore list is such harsh punishment cracks me up...


 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
73. NOT at all...they don't get it....that the mushy middle votes for what appears to be the Winner...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:11 PM
Mar 2014

and if you are constantly bashing democrats thinking this is going to help move the country to the Left....you are sadly mistaken. The circular firing squad doesn't look like winning.....

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
79. Exactly, Vanilla. I'm very much a leftist (probably too much) but if we don't get the Repugs out...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:19 PM
Mar 2014

it won't matter if we're moderate lib, hard-leaning lib, or any sort of lib. It just won't matter if we waste votes, as was done with Nader. It's been tried, and it doesn't work. The only thing that WILL work is to turn the country to sanity again and away from right wing ideology, and to vote out the GOP. From there, we move forward and left.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
124. They just got to understand we will NOT win by bashing Democrats....
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:55 PM
Mar 2014

there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism...but what is allowed to go on on DU is beyond the pale. I hope there is soon going to be a cut off point for this riff raff....it is NOT productive to allow it to continue much longer...

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
144. and then those lies somehow manage to spill over into DU....imagine that...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:37 PM
Mar 2014

but its just "constructive criticism" after all. There is no hate on DU!

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
146. Whatever the GOPers are most against, is what I'm most in favor of, so right now I'm more pro-Obama
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:43 PM
Mar 2014

than ever.

If there were not so much bashing by the Repukes and by the tiny handful of negative so-called libs, I might perhaps look at President Obama more closely. With a magnifying glass, even. But the insane attacks by the GOP and by the tiny handful of libs, is making me love that man.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
147. TOTALLY on board with you Sarah...if the ACA is so bad that they try to repeal it 51 times so far...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:45 PM
Mar 2014

it MUST be great!

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
148. Yup! This is the first version of the first plan to offer health care to all, and I am excited
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:49 PM
Mar 2014

about it. No one else has ever even come close to anything. No one else had ever offered anything that helped insured the uninsurable. No one ever has had this success, and he did it despite the hatred and refusal of Repugs. I'm grateful and very glad.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
149. Yes me too....very much so...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:51 PM
Mar 2014

I am grateful.....even if some jerks are taking their benefit and then running it into the ground like the hypocrites they are...

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
52. But who made up the "emo-progs" moniker?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:35 PM
Mar 2014

Some of these seem to be self-inflicted insults made up by people trying to stir things up.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
75. I have not even seen that used....and I have been here a while...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:13 PM
Mar 2014

it might have been used at one time....but saying someone is "emotional" is hardly the same as calling someone a non-thinking robot.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
131. Spamdan? Smarty? Cesca? There's a never-ending supply of...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:41 PM
Mar 2014

Sensible Centrist crap blogs to chose from, but think it was People's Spew.

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
161. Yes, but who invented it and why?
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:55 AM
Mar 2014

One DUer posted an OP about "Moonbats" which is a term DUers have never used against each other, which is what I mean by self-inflicted.

Sometimes there is an attempt to create a perception by inserting pejoratives and unnecessary namecalling into the debate.

(In fact, IIRC it was the same poster who popularized the term "emo-progs&quot .

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
11. Well, at least you pretend to be..
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:54 PM
Mar 2014

Well, at least you pretend to be... and for many people, the pretense is all that matters.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
15. Thanks for clearing that up for us. (And Bill O'Reilly says "thanks". He was tired ...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:26 PM
Mar 2014

of being universally recognized as the most self-important person on the planet.)

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
67. "Fanatics" is also a slur, which you use to describe anyone who approves of Obama's actions
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:57 PM
Mar 2014

more than you do.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
86. Bullshit. It is a slur, to be sure, but my standard for application is not "approves more than me."
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:00 PM
Mar 2014

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It is more like "demonstrates a lack of capacity to put principles before party" when defending the current president for stuff that would in no way get a pass for the former president that's the base of my standard.


Bottom line is, If you act like the president wears a red S on his shirt just because he has a D after his name, when clearly some aspect of his behavior and policy positions are more in line with people who are proud to pull the lever in the voting booth for the candidate from the party identified by the letter R, then G, I think you might be a hypocritical fanatic.


I support the president on Facebook and in conversation with my less politically oriented friends. I vote for democrats always because I know the republican alternative is insane. I sell President Obama and democrats in general as the better alternative much more than I critique them, but when I'm in the big tent, when I'm surrounded by democrats who are for the patriot act, after they were against it, I need to weigh in and help lend voice to the "extremist liberal left" that said position and others like it are not acceptable to all democrats.

I put myself out there... I put my brand on the line when I spread the word about the Democratic party. I do not want to sell republican lite. I want to sell progressive principles. I want to sell change I can believe in.

alp227

(32,025 posts)
3. YES! Same with "Obama Zombies", a title of a book
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:40 AM
Mar 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obama_Zombies

The official summary of the book begins: "For an entire year, otherwise clear-thinking members of the most affluent, over-educated, information-drenched generation in American history fell prey to the most expensive, hi-tech, laser-focused marketing assault in presidential campaign history." According to publisher Simon and Schuster, Mattera "reveals the jaw-dropping lengths Barack Obama and his allies in Hollywood, Washington, and Academia went to in order to transform a legion of iPod-listening, MTV-watching followers into a winning coalition that threatens to become a long-lasting political realignment." [1]


The book of on a shoddy premise by calling Millennials the "most affluent" during a recession.

The author went on Thom Hartmann to discuss the book:



And David Pakman




CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
54. He's claiming it was invented by RWers which is probably true
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:39 PM
Mar 2014

if you think back to the first times the term was used, and judging by these definitions:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obamabot

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
80. You're just going to call everything RW now aren't you?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:19 PM
Mar 2014

That's a well-known RW tactic!

(Yes I get the joke now!)


Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
9. One still has to wonder
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 01:41 PM
Mar 2014

what place that moniker has on this site, anyway. As posters on DemocraticUnderground, shouldn't we all be supporting the (Democratic) President and wanting him to do well?

LondonReign2

(5,213 posts)
18. When he does Democratic things, sure
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:49 PM
Mar 2014

When he does not-so-Democratic (as in the party) things? Not so much.

Asked and answered a million times on DU...are we supposed to support him because of the D behind his name, or based on his actions and policies?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
19. You're supposed to give him the benefit of a doubt when possible.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:57 PM
Mar 2014

But some want to call Obama a 'piece of shit' or blame him for 'expanding' the NSA instead of reigning it in. That kind of juvenile nonsense does a disservice to everyone.

Call him to account when necessary but don't play games.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]You have to play the game to find out why you're playing the game. -Existenz[/center][/font][hr]

treestar

(82,383 posts)
43. What a way to divide
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:08 PM
Mar 2014

and create schisms. What are "Democratic" things? This is absurd. When he has to compromise because congress is full of Republicans?

He's not all powerful. Now there's a Tea party Congress. And they go unusually out of their way to be oppositional due to their racism.
that calls for support of the first Black President. When they wouldn't agree on the budget, for example. We know why they would not agree and made it as tough as possible and shut down the government.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
33. Teddy?....Would you take this one?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:51 PM
Mar 2014
"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole.

Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right.

Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. [font size=3]To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.[/font]"

T. Roosevelt in the Kansas City Star,
May 7, 1918




treestar

(82,383 posts)
44. Irrelevant.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:10 PM
Mar 2014

Nobody said that. But on a board for Democrats, people who think a Democrat is always wrong are to be wondered at. Never did Teddy say we must do nothing but criticize. And find lame reasons to, because we just have to in order to prove we are too cool to support anybody in an office.

tsuki

(11,994 posts)
87. So, I should support cuts to social security, NSA excesses? This is the
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:07 PM
Mar 2014

Democratic Underground, a site that supports Democratic policies, not Democratic personalities.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
112. Are any DUers or Obama in favor of cuts to social security and NSA excesses?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:25 PM
Mar 2014

Show us, not just your opinion.

tsuki

(11,994 posts)
169. Okay,
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:25 PM
Mar 2014

Thomas Drake
Stephen Jim-Woo Kim
Jeffery Sterling
Chelsea Manning
Liebowitz
Assange
The Third Way
Peter G. Peterson
CPI
Catfood Commission
Chris Hedges
Matt Taibbi



Demonaut

(8,918 posts)
14. I'm here everyday, I read but rarely post..I'm seeing more division than ever now on DU
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:20 PM
Mar 2014

and it makes me frustrated

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
20. I've pretty well given up.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:08 PM
Mar 2014

The more occasions of that vile 'Obama the shit guy' type of post, the more room and opportunity there is for the RWs to come slithering in. And they are coming in great numbers because they have cover from some who have been here for a long while. The bar keeps getting lower and lower and lower.

For gosh sakes There are 'impeach Obama' ads here, there were some awful RW ads against Wendy Davis displayed here. Why shouldn't the fuckers think they belong here when they browser the site before registering, it sounds like it's their kind of place.

The midterms will suffer and there is a possibility of a Repug Pres up next.

THEN the screaming will still be about Obama - he was such an awful man to LET that happen. I can hear the familiar voices/clicky keyboards already.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
24. So how do you feel about the terms ODS, hater, firebagger, emoprog etc...?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:48 PM
Mar 2014

Surely those upset you as well then right? Where is your mention of those? Or do you not think those are divisive?

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
26. Riiiight, because any expression of frustration that fails to include YOUR pet peeve ...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:26 PM
Mar 2014

is invalid, correct?
Shit, I should probably thank you for so quickly offering up such a sterling example of what is beginning to make DU suck. In the meantime, here's a friendly suggestion: If you have a particular concern START YOUR OWN MOTHER-FUCKING THREAD! But for fuck's sake don't expect every poster to address every issue that has your knickers in a twist.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
34. I'm merely finding out if the concern is even handed or not.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:53 PM
Mar 2014

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I made no mention of any pet peeve. Where have I ever stated that that is my pet peeve? Please provide a link to that. Thanks.

Why, exactly, is asking if there is an even handed criticism "such a sterling example of what is beginning to make DU suck."? I don't understand. Please explain.

As to the rest of your post, do you not think that is "a sterling example of what is beginning to make DU suck."? Or is that how you would like all of us to post?

And btw... I purposely do not use "Obamabot" as it is divisive. How do you like them apples?

Kolesar

(31,182 posts)
40. Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:04 PM
Mar 2014

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: alerter needs to leave
Get some fresh air, whatever, just leave
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Can we just work on being a little bit more civil please?
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh. The language is vulgar/coarse, but I don't see the post as over the top.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seems like a pretty level-headed response to an immensely ridiculous question. Seriously, what was the point of CB's post at all? And to answer CB's later question, yes there should be more fucks in threads. If I knew and ogre and a donkey I'd try to find them a Fucks in Threads to hang out with.

lol

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
50. Shows that people do not understand what being a juror means.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:31 PM
Mar 2014

It would be laughable if it weren't so pathetic.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
68. No. It's clear that *you* don't understand
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:02 PM
Mar 2014

Juries exist to weed out patently disingenuous trolling and outright abuse. They don't exist to impose a minority ideology on the Democratic mainstream by baiting DUers into making intemperate remarks.

If you want to deriding those who talk about "ODS" (e.g. "Obama Derangement Syndrome&quot - blaming Obama for everything that has happens that you don't like in the U.S., even (or especially) when it was actually started long before he was President - go ahead. Hell, I'll be more than happy to implicitly kick such a piece by pointing out how much extremists on both ends of the spectrum do this.

But do it in your own thread.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
104. How the fuck did this place survive prior to Nov. 2, 2005?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:45 PM
Mar 2014

We all need to get down on our knees right this very minute and give thanks that we have you here now to explain to us mere mortals how things ought to work!

treestar

(82,383 posts)
45. there's no term that you'd accept as fair
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:11 PM
Mar 2014

or wouldn't be an attempt at labeling yourselves with some reasonable label you do not deserve.



cui bono

(19,926 posts)
49. What? So you'd like a deragatory term that the other side would approve of?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:30 PM
Mar 2014

Haha...

That, of course, was not the point of my post at all. The point was that the OP is only complaining about one derogatory term aimed at a particular group of people. So in the interest of finding out if they were even handed or biased I asked if them about the other terms.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
57. yesterday the terms "Taliban" and "Teabaggers" were added to that list.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:42 PM
Mar 2014

Democrats who voted for Obama were termed "Taliban" for their policy differences with Obama.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
84. Wow, your reading comprehension sucks.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:59 PM
Mar 2014

That DUer was quoting Kos & she said from the quote "Frankly, the only people whose moral assessments of Obama resemble Greenwald's are the Taliban and the Tea Party."

That was just wrong to try & spin it the way you did.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
90. I said nearly the same thing in my response to that poster. Amazing what some around here
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:14 PM
Mar 2014

will try to get away with. No distortion or flat out lie too big.

The whole block of text was a quote from the Kos article. I didn't type anything but the bit at the bottom.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
94. EXACTLY
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:29 PM
Mar 2014

You affirmed the Kos poster's sentiment that people who agree with Greenwald are Taliban/Teaparty. You said it was TRUTH. Many people who are good Democrats are in agreement with Greenwald's criticisms of Obama. Ergo, in your mind and that of the Kos member, Taliban/Teaparty.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
96. Don't expect them to have enough character admit that.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:37 PM
Mar 2014

The comment was sickening enough, and Number 23's quoting it and zestfully clapping for it was even more gross. Denying it means what it very obviously means when called on it is, I think, to expected from such a person.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
107. Are agreeing and "affirming" the same thing?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:12 PM
Mar 2014
Frankly, the only people whose moral assessments of Obama resemble Greenwald's are the Taliban and the Tea Party.

That is the quote. There is no reference to Democrats which you (and the person who just simply had to chime in to this exchange as he is simply compelled to do so EVERY TIME HE SEES MY NAME) are seeing. The comment was in reference to the type of people that share Greenwald's unhinged and paranoid assessment of this president.

The fact that you (and my exceptionally well noted stalker) have ascribed this as a trait belonging to Democrats is unwise. Most Democrats don't share Greenwald's assessment of Obama in any way shape or form as numerous and well documented opinion and policy polling have shown for some time. How very interesting that you believe that and are getting so bent out of shape over it.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
109. "Indentations and quote marks just kick some people's asses" Indeed!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:18 PM
Mar 2014

With poll after poll after poll showing very clearly how the Dem base feels about this president, the fact that anyone here thinks that Greenwald speaks for some large section of Dems blows my mind too.

Almost as much as the ability some have to never pass up an opportunity to display their unhealthy fascination with other posters. That REALLY blows my mind.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
99. Number 23, post 101, in post 65 of this thread
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:38 PM
Mar 2014

in which you have provided a link trying to back up a previous statement that DUers were comparing democrats to the Taliban & the Tea Party.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
111. "Palsies. BFF, perhaps."
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:20 PM
Mar 2014

Is that supposed to mean anything? So someone who calls out your really sad attempts to mischaracterize what I'm saying is somehow my BFF? This new line of attack is even more feeble than your first one, and almost as dishonest.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
116. you are the attacker, remember
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:34 PM
Mar 2014

You are the one who strongly approved of the statement that those who agree with Greenwald (presumably meaning many Democrats here) are Taliban/Teapartiers.

If that is not what you intended by your bolding the statement, calling the statement TRUTH and posting it here on DU, perhaps you could tell us why you did just that.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
117. Because I agreed with the statement. Just about every place I've seen the same level of unhinged
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:45 PM
Mar 2014

spittle flying stupidity that matches Greenwald's really obvious dislike of this President comes from Tea Partiers and other assorted lunatics. Contrary to what you believe, people here have the right to agree or disagree with statements. If that bothers you, take it up with George Washington.

The fact that you have to lie and say that I or the person I quoted are saying that DEMOCRATS are like the Tea Party/Taliban is the real issue which is why three different people have now called you on it and the one who agreed with you has a well documented history of following me around this site so I wouldn't put too much weight into his opinion. Though I notice that you are now adding that comment could have been "presumably" about Democrats so I guess that's you conceding that you are pulling stuff out of nowhere in order to argue about nothing.

Perhaps you might want to do a little self-reflection and figure out why you are taking that comment so personally. Hit too close to home, did it?

Response to grasswire (Reply #102)

 

WhaTHellsgoingonhere

(5,252 posts)
16. But when they own it, I find it similar to Tea Partyers owning the label...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 02:40 PM
Mar 2014

Teabaggers until they discover it's a dirty word.

Why I became an "Obamabot"

http://immasmartypants.blogspot.com/2014/03/why-i-became-obamabot.html

bad idea

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
22. I don't like the term and don't use it myself
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 03:14 PM
Mar 2014

but there are some who will not allow any criticism of the president, his policies, or the ACA.
A lot of us are Obama supporters but we don't think that criticizing the administration is a sign of disloyalty.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
35. Didn't you get the memo? All threads MUST address that poster's particular ...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:55 PM
Mar 2014

concern du jour. Sheesh, get with the program!

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
31. It seems to have come into vogue here at DU, I am just responding to those making threads about it
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 04:35 PM
Mar 2014

Hell, one thread proudly claimed the term, and was saying they were proud to be called an Obamabot!

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
39. Its called "owning" it....perhaps you might have heard of another perjorative going through that....
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:03 PM
Mar 2014

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
37. And the term ODS was used on Republicans
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:00 PM
Mar 2014

who went crazy at anything Obama wanted to do. Also, the term "Obama haters" was used in reference to them. Now, both terms are used regularly against anyone here who disagree with domestic spying, TPP, or other things that some think are really bad ideas. I've seen a push lately to "stop bashing Obama."

This post is saying that the derogatory term "Obamabot" shouldn't be used against people who unquestioningly support Obama no matter what the issue. It's as hypocritical as a kid hitting someone, getting hit back, then complaining to the teacher that they got hit.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
41. and you DOUBT that hatred of Obama exists on DU?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:04 PM
Mar 2014


the term Obamabots...should not be used by fellow supposed Democrats against those who support the twice elected by majority (do you know how rare that is) DEMOCRATIC President on an DEMOCRATIC forum....and there shouldn't be Democrats that reflect the abject hatred for him in the general population....but somehow but somehow they do...and somehow they expect to NOT get flack for it on a DEMOCRATIC forum...


THAT is the difference....

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
53. You're illustrating my point
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:36 PM
Mar 2014

Specifically, by calling people "haters." Are there people here who hate everything Obama does? There might be, but I usually find that people like some things Obama does, but dislike others. However, I see people who criticize some things, like warrentless data collection, called haters and accused of having ODS - I've been accused of that - and that completely undermines the argument of the original post.

It would probably be best if both sides stopped using snide terms like hater or Obamabot. It would also help if people considered both sides of arguments rationally.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
56. Do you deny that hatred exists?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:42 PM
Mar 2014

is that your problem with it? Do you think NO one on DU is guilty of it because you don't believe in it?

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
64. You're STILL isslustrating my point
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:52 PM
Mar 2014

As I said, they are possibly people who disagree with everything Obama does. That's not a good way to go - I much prefer to look at each issue separately and form opinions on them. And then there's you. No matter what the issue, you defend Obama then call anyone who disagrees with him a "hater." So when you get mad at people calling you an Obamabot, I really can't have much sympathy.\

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
66. I am proving WHY you are wrong...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:54 PM
Mar 2014

if you think there is not Obama hatred here....you have not been paying attention....or you are one...THIS is a Democratic forum to support Democrat candidates.....the vitriol should NOT be like this....this is like telling Republicans that the Teabaggers don't exist among them....

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
72. And you're proving that you're a robot more with each post
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:10 PM
Mar 2014

Each time I point out that there are two sides to the argument, you're response is, "but there are haters!" Furthermore, "But I'm proving why you are wrong, because there are haters." You won't even acknowledge that you do the same thing as the "haters," and appear to be incapable to even considering any argument that doesn't support Obama. Are some things that people say against Obama over the top? Definitely. Then there's you, supporting a person no matter what the issue.

When I can replace you with a 2-line BASIC program and get, essentially, the same result, that illustrates how little you contribute to the conversation.

Yeah I know. "But there are haters!"

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
81. You can't even acknowledge there is another side to the argument
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:20 PM
Mar 2014

Think of it like this: when all you ever do is come into a discussion and defend Obama, regardless of the issue, you're just adding noise to the conversation. you're not thinking through an argument, just pushing your opinion which remains completely unchanged. You're like a program that takes no input. Why should anyone listen to you? They shouldn't, until you have something useful to offer.

So now any argument I make is just a peewee herman defense? Yeah, you're a robot.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
63. There is no hatred of Obama here. If there is it is perhaps one or two people.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:48 PM
Mar 2014

Why do you continue to use the term "hater" when you don't like people to use "Obamabot"?

And which do you think is used more on DU?

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
69. baloney! If that were the case this place would be full of much more praise for him....
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:05 PM
Mar 2014

If what you say day after day after day closely resembles what the Right is saying about the President....then YOU might be a hater....If you never ever have a single positive thing to say about President Obama or any other democrat (besides the sainted Elizabeth Warren) on a supposedly Democratic forum...then YOU too might be a hater....If you are here day after day to BASH those that do....you might be a hater...denying you are doesn't necessarily mean you aren't a hater...

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
98. The only reason you think that is because you equate any criticism of policy with hating Obama.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:38 PM
Mar 2014

Why is it okay for you to use "hater" when you don't want anyone to use "Obamabot"?

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
157. I'm not your little poodle. I don't bark on command.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 01:51 AM
Mar 2014

And I'm not in jr. high school where I think I have to do whatever someone dares me to do.

If I thought you were interested in having any sort of meaningful conversation I might indulge you, but I know that you are not interested in any such thing, as evidenced by almost every post of yours on DU.

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
108. Bless your heart. "It's not here." "OK, maybe it's here, but just a little bit." "And anyway ...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:16 PM
Mar 2014

your side does it more!"

My sons are young men now, but thanks for the trip down memory lane ... back to when they were two year olds.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
113. How do you think Obama would feel
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:28 PM
Mar 2014

if he knew his supporters were posting posts such as the ones you keep posting to me today? Do you think he would be proud?

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
110. Well yes, one of those posts does exhibit pure hate; the other post childish name calling and
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:19 PM
Mar 2014

undue blame pointed at the the Prez, sprinkled with some DUers favorite word, Fuck,fucking, fucked etc.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
47. How do you suppose it is unquestioning?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:15 PM
Mar 2014

We've had no reason to question our support.

Someone who never finds him in the right on anything ever, really is likely to be a hater. Issue after issue someone comes up with something to use and if we don't fall for that one, they get more and more frustrated they can't get us to join their bashfest.

And you are concluding that your positions on domestic spying and TPP are correct without argument. If we don't agree about those issues, it is not blind support of Obama. It's that we don't agree Obama is a big poppyhead because of those issues. They are all issues so far used, and there will be new ones, to drum up opposition to the Democrats.

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)
58. "We've had no reason to question our support"
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:44 PM
Mar 2014

So your argument is, "We're right"? That's just as bad as a religious person saying, "You're all going to hell because you don't believe in God" and being unwilling to consider the possibility that they're not. It's faith-based at that point. When things like the TPP or the NSA come up, and you continuously defend Obama no matter what, without, apparently, questioning any of it, then additionally calling other people "haters" or saying they have ODS, then you are behaving like a robot.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
42. I just call people who support everything the President says or does unconditionally,
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:05 PM
Mar 2014

adorers and worshipers- which is is a lot less offensive than being called a racist for opposing him on such issues as the TPP or the chained CPI.

And trying to shut people up by insinuating that the only reason they'd criticize him over such things is racism is a much shittier thing to do then calling someone an "Obamabot".

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
46. Egg-zactly. And its not as if the Obama-bots don't toss out names all the time, like "Putinista,
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:12 PM
Mar 2014

libertarian troll, Ron Paul-ite, Obama hater/basher", and so on constantly.

Demonaut

(8,918 posts)
83. I see what you mean but I hope you're not insinuatiing Ive called Du'ers a racist for disagreeing
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:57 PM
Mar 2014

with some of Obama's actions.

I just see too much infighting and I wonder if we have RW agitators who've found success lately
in creating more dissent and division with some DU'er's who are susceptible to these influences.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
106. And your thread has not helped the infighting, it has only added to it because you selectively
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:51 PM
Mar 2014

chose a "side". Why did you do that? Why did you not mention a term used against anyone who criticizes Obama, such as ODS or hater?

If you're going to earnestly complain about infighting you can't fuel the fire.

Demonaut

(8,918 posts)
115. a side?...I'm a progressive Democrat, I'm not drawing lines in the political sand
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:34 PM
Mar 2014

and I'm not blindly supporting everything the POTUS does.

An earlier response to this post mentioned I should have tossed in a few more distasteful monikers..and maybe I should've

I didn't

11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
100. Check. Your pejorative of choice ... not too bad. Those directed back at you ... shitty .
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:40 PM
Mar 2014

I have to say, that's pretty fucking convenient.

lumpy

(13,704 posts)
119. How does one determine who adores and worships the Prez unconditionally ?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:50 PM
Mar 2014

Doubt that anyone on DU tries to shut up anyone by criticizing them of racism; but if you say so...
If so, I certainly would agree that is a 'shitty thing to do.
Really you should realize that it is insulting to accuse people of merely/only adoring and worshiping Obama without another thought.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
48. The "bot" term really has no place here
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:22 PM
Mar 2014

It's a judgment (often with no basis in reality) that is a shorthand peremptory (syns: brusque, imperious, high-handed, brisk, abrupt, summary, commanding, dictatorial, autocratic, overbearing, dogmatic, arrogant, overweening, lordly, magisterial, authoritarian ) way of simply dismissing a poster out of hand.

People could start appending that insulting suffix to a number of other "types" they perceive to be operational on the board, but would get pretty ugly now, wouldn't it? It might be interesting to start letting the bots fly, to see how people enjoy being labeled in this way.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
62. I don't mind it. The folks who use it ...
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 05:48 PM
Mar 2014

... tend to think that if you don't agree with their hair-on-fire rantings, you must approve and agree with every action the President has taken. Even things he hasn't actually done.

Let them rant.

They also use "authoritarian", "Fascist", "DLCer", "3rdway" and on and on and on.

The perpetually disgruntled can use what ever terms they want.

This is the internet.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
88. Yep
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:08 PM
Mar 2014

I think that when one is on a message board for democrats where we support them and try and get them elected, then to actually do such a thing, supporting the president and democrats, wouldn't be such a bad thing. I would think it would be better than say supporting known "libertarians" and making those libertarians into some kind of hero.







Cha

(297,265 posts)
70. If rw started it then glenn greenwald picked it up real fast.. calling Obama's SUPPORTERS that..
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:08 PM
Mar 2014

but, I'd sure as hell rather be called an "Obamabot" than a greenwaldot-bot whatever.

Besides we own Obamabot now and Obamacare.. just like we own "Dirty Fucking Hippies"



steve http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024717704
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
82. False premise. I thought up "Obamabot" all on my own. It wasn't a big stretch after "Bushbot".
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 06:30 PM
Mar 2014

And "Bushbot" was a pretty widely used term.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
91. I don't follow you.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 07:15 PM
Mar 2014

You said the word "Obamabot" was created by the right-wing. That's not true. I think it popped up spontaneously in lots of places, because it describes a real phenomenon and it isn't exactly a creative leap as names go.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
118. The Third Wayers is also a shitty way to describe Hillary supporters.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 08:46 PM
Mar 2014

If you are called a Third Way Democrat...that is not a compliment. It is not neutral. Neutral would be to refer to them as center right. It's deliberately meant to have a negative connotation. Obamabot is not nice either as it is a nasty right wing slang for an Obama supporter.

"Can't we all get along"? Can't we Democrats be nice and respectful to one another? We don't even know who's running yet. After the primaries is long enough to throw around derogatory comments. Now is when we should be united and build up confidence in Democrats.

 

pragmatic_dem

(410 posts)
129. Has Mrs. Clinton come out against the 3rd way?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:15 PM
Mar 2014

Note that the "Grand Bargain" is a Third Way idea.

http://www.thirdway.org/about_us
Our ideas have been used by the President, members of Congress, governors, mayors and countless political candidates. Based on our record, the media has labeled us “the future of think tanks,” “incorrigible pragmatists,” “radical centrists,” and the “best source for new ideas in public policy.”


What is the Third Way? See if you can detect a common theme here...

Mr. Vogelstein is the Chairman of New Providence Asset Management, LLC and Senior Advisor to Warburg Pincus, LLC.


Mr. Schwartz is Chairman and CEO of BLS Investments, LLC. Mr. Schwartz retired in March 2006 after 34 years as Chairman of the Board and Chief Executive Officer of Loral Space & Communications Inc. (NASDAQ: LORL), and its predecessor, Loral Corporation, headquartered in New York City.

Mr. Heller lives in New York City and was formerly the Global Head of Equity Trading for Goldman Sachs. He sat on the firm’s Securities Division Operating Committee, Firmwide Risk Committee, Business Practices Committee, Finance Committee and Compensation Committee. Mr. Heller joined Goldman in 1989 in New York as an Equity Derivatives Trader. He worked for Goldman in Japan from 1993-1998, initially as an Equity Derivatives Trader and eventually as the co-head of Goldman’s Japanese equity business. Mr. Heller transferred to London in 1999 to become the Global Head of Equity Derivatives Trading and returned to New York in 2002. Mr. Heller loved his overseas experiences, both professional and personal, and continues to travel to Europe and Japan regularly.


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Mr. Budinger has been honored as the SBA Small Business Person of the Year, the Eastern Technology Council’s Legendary CEO, and received the Henry Crown Leadership award. He was co-founder of the project to protect and restore Thomas Edison’s New Jersey laboratories and workshops. He also helped found the National Small Business Technology Council to assist entrepreneurial technology companies working with the federal government. He was an elected delegate and chair of the White House Conference on Small Business, and a panelist for Mikhail Gorbachev’s State of the World Forum.


Mr. Coulter serves as Managing Director and Senior Advisor at Warburg Pincus, focusing on the firm’s financial services practice.

Mr. Cowan, like the other co-founders of Third Way, has over 15 years experience at senior levels of progressive politics and government. Prior to co-founding Third Way, Mr. Cowan founded and ran Americans for Gun Safety, which The Washington Post dubbed the “dominant” group on the gun safety side of that debate. In the spring of 2000, Mr. Cowan was a Visiting Fellow at Harvard University’s Institute of Politics, teaching a course on youth and political advocacy. During the second Clinton administration, Mr. Cowan served as Chief of Staff of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban development, helping to manage a federal agency of 9,000 employees with a $27 billion annual budget. Previously, he was Senior Advisor to the HUD Secretary and was Acting Assistant Secretary for Public Affairs. In 1992, he co-founded Lead…or Leave, which became the nation’s leading Generation X advocacy group. He co-authored Revolution X and has been featured in many media outlets including The New York Times, The Washington P

Mr. Cullman was the Founder and President of Cullman Ventures, Inc., a diversified corporation that included the At-A-Glance group, which manufactures and markets diaries, calendars, and appointment books. He graduated from Yale University in 1941, earned a Master’s degree from New York University in 1942, and served as an officer in the U.S. Navy until the end of the war. Mr. Cullman was also awarded an honorary Doctorate from Purdue University.

William Daley served as President Obama’s Chief of Staff from January 2011 until January 2012. He was involved in all aspects and issues faced by the president and the administration, both domestic and foreign.

Mr. Dyson is Chairman of Millbrook Capital Management, Inc.(MCM), a private investment firm. MCM’s business activities include managing a manufacturing company, a vineyard and wine group and a hedge fund. In addition, MCM manages direct investments and indirect investments for the Dyson Family and MCM’s executives.

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Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
133. I don't plan on reading all that cut and paste stuff. Not interested!
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:02 PM
Mar 2014

I don't care what the third way means till it's necessary. I just KNOW I think it's used as a derogatory comment against Hillary. Just refer to her as center or left of center. Is that so hard to understand? "You people" (I can be derogatory too) don't even know her platform yet...maybe she doesn't either...certainly I don't.

 

pragmatic_dem

(410 posts)
134. Is she a third way candidate or not? Third way is a real group, very much like DLC
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:04 PM
Mar 2014

which she was a member of, so I'll ask again, is she a third way candidate or not?

 

pragmatic_dem

(410 posts)
139. I agree with that, however it isn't fair to say 3rd way is derogatory because it
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:16 PM
Mar 2014

is a real live and VERY rich group with dozens of backers, 90% of whom are ultra-rich Wall Street investment bankers or funds managers, etc.

Citizens United has enabled the 1% to seize control of our government. The 3rd way is economically conservative (Reaganomics on steroids) and socially liberal (they have liberal lifestyles they enjoy).

i.e. they want gay marriage AND tax cuts for the rich.




Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
145. It's going to cost hundreds of millions to defeat the Rethugs, Koch brothers, Alderson,
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:40 PM
Mar 2014

the Heritage Foundation and many others. I want the Democrat to win this election! They just have to! I won't think anything less of anyone else who
accepts money from the rich. If we are going to win we HAVE to. Of course it would be much nicer if our candidates didn't have to accept their money...but come on...It's a necessity if we want to win the election. Consequently lets face it and I hate to say...we may never have a truly Progressive candidate like Bernie. So far we haven't been very successful. I won't bother to mention all our failures as you know who they are. No candidate on either side can win without big money and where is big money? Wall Street! Thanks to SC's Citizen United. It was hard before but now it's impossible. If Bill Clinton hadn't done it we never would have had a Dem in office for those 8 years.

 

pragmatic_dem

(410 posts)
151. be careful with compromise, wall street doesn't have your back
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:56 PM
Mar 2014

seriously, be careful for what you wish. The investment bankers who are running Washington are counting on blind loyalty to one party or the other.

I intend to hold Democrats just as accountable for the stupid and destructive things they do as any Republican.

You have to understand the game has changed. Most of us do not have money, but we do have votes. The Wall Street barons who finance elections are counting on the fact that loyalists will NEVER be critical of anything because after all, what's your other option?

I absolutely cannot vote for a name be it Democrat or Republican. We need real people looking out for the public's best interests. I won't let my vote (the only influence I have) be taken for granted.

Every economic indicator has been horrible for last 40 years. We have to admit that Democratic Party really has not been successful changing that in significant ways. ACA was a small step for the poorest Americans, but left many in middle class out (like me). It isn't just Republican obstruction, it is compromise instead of getting populist support on your side.

So you have to understand people's sensitivity to it.

I expect Democrats to aggressively promote more liberal economic policies to improve quality of life but really what has happened is Democratic economics have gotten more conservative (e.g. "Grand Bargain&quot .

Third-way association is important because it signifies whether things are going to continue to get worse for workers and their families or not. The third way guarantees things will get worse as they double down on trickle-down, much worse.

Third way is surrender of Washington to pay-to-play Government.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
152. I don't want a grand bargain any more than I want a ReThug president
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:09 PM
Mar 2014

Winning the presidency is my ultimate goal. I want all the progressive ideas as much as you...but I'm just being realistic.

 

pragmatic_dem

(410 posts)
153. That's where we part ways, "realism" is the exactly the problem
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:32 PM
Mar 2014

Realism is admitting that we need to send jobs to India and China, because of their good test scores and the fact they work in slave labor conditions for pennies on the dollar.

Realism is admitting the Wall Street felons deserve amnesty for trillions of theft and fraud.

Realism is admitting that NSA spying is quite OK.

Realism is admitting Monsanto needs federal protection to force genetically modified food into our diets.

Satire is people as they are;
romanticism, people as they would like to be;
realism, people as they seem with their insides left out.

Dawn Powell



Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
154. You are putting words in my mouth! Are you actually thinking I want all those things.
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 11:49 PM
Mar 2014

I remember telling you I was a progressive. What progressive would believe in all those ideas and ways. It's getting late...we must both be getting tired and hard to communicate our beliefs.

To sum things up...I still like Obama and Hillary and trust them to do the best they can for us with a ReThug held congress. No matter what...I will vote Democratic no matter who runs. I want to win this election and we'd have it in the bag if we stick together and stop badmouthing our possible candidates.. That's my final word. Good night!

LOL One more thing...a lot of ReThugs and Indies like Clinton and will vote for her.
I think they'd also vote for a Dem senator to help her with her agenda. I guess what I'm trying to say is Hillary will help us hold the Senate and maybe even take the House.

Response to Auntie Bush (Reply #133)

 

pragmatic_dem

(410 posts)
125. It's a reasonable moniker the for the robotic defense to critical analysis
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:00 PM
Mar 2014

It is a reasonable name for the sort of robotic response to some of the most important issues of our generation:

When Obama was against wiretapping...

Finally we have a presidential candidate who will stand up for the 4th amendment and protect against government over reach into citizens lives... good riddance GW Bush


Subsequently, when Obama was for wiretapping...
As commander in chief, Obama needs every tool at his disposal to keep America safe... wonderful chess move, why are you such a hater...?


When candidate Obama was for environmental protection...
"Finally we have a president who is going to fight oil companies and unleash massive new investment in alternative energy...


As fracking spreads like wild fire, poisoning water supplies across the country, and drill baby drill was passed in Gulf of Mexico along with Monsanto Protection Act...
Fracking and deep water drilling just makes pragmatic sense, we can't be dependent on Middle East oil, the president needs every option available and genetically modified foods are 100% safe for the environment and our health. Obama was clear about his stand on this. If you don't like it, why did you vote for him and why are you such a hater...?


Nothing to be gained by more examples. I'm sure the point is made.

So Obamabot is simply a term which is used to describe a robotic, predictable defense to ANY criticism of the President. It is a defensive posture so awkwardly scripted, it might have been generated by a computer program that has only one output, regardless of the input.


 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
130. And the ones who toss it around the most
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 09:21 PM
Mar 2014

Are usually the ones promoting lunatic RW libertarians as "Heroes Of The Revolution".

Then they wonder why Democrats can't seem to get anything done...

Cha

(297,265 posts)
156. Yes, the ones who call us "Obamabots" but suck up anything Greenwald throws their way.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:22 AM
Mar 2014

Greenwald was calling Obama supporters "Obamabots" quite awhile ago.. that wouldn't be a big coincidence would it?

 

Logical

(22,457 posts)
136. Have you been reading anything??? It is not his supporters.....
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:06 PM
Mar 2014

they are talking about. It is the people defending EVERYTHING he does. Like people defended Bush.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
140. Really? Y'all are going to start complaining about things because they started with right wingers?
Wed Mar 26, 2014, 10:22 PM
Mar 2014

How about "Blame America First"? What about the bullshit about liberals hating America? You know, the stuff spewed regularly whenever a bunch of those horrible leftists have the temerity to suggest we aren't #1 or question our foreign policy or dare to bring up any kind of history in our fireworks shootin' flag wavin' threads.

http://election.democraticunderground.com/10024674859

Some of the people hugging themselves and crying in this thread were gleefully screeching right wing propaganda in that one. And for a triple dose of irony, would be the first to rec a thread about how hypocritical Republicans are.

How about ODS, which is just an uncreative theft of the BDS meme? It's largely used for the same purpose. Anyone that criticizes the president doesn't have a point to be argued, they're just mentally ill.

I've never seen a bigger fountain of right wing memes on any progressive site anywhere than some of the president's defenders are here.

 

pragmatic_dem

(410 posts)
155. Many conservatives find refuge here... they cheer conservative policies
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:05 AM
Mar 2014

and defend conservative principals like spying, social security cuts, police state, big oil, fracking, nuclear power, etc etc etc

There is a new shitty kind of 3rd way conservative - they consider themselves "economically conservative" and "socially liberal", you know they enjoy all the civil benefits from traditional Democrats while maintaining their money entitlements without any sacrifice.

What that really means is that they support gay marriage, wall street deregulation and tax cuts for the rich and they can't get all of that with the tea party. Democratic Leadership is willing to compromise on any principal for the right price, so they have bought their way into the party.

JoeyT

(6,785 posts)
158. Yeah, but the problem with people being
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:13 AM
Mar 2014

economically conservative and socially liberal claiming to be some Third Way that bridges the gap is that there's already a name for someone that's economically conservative and socially liberal: Libertarian.

Which makes the libertarian hunters among them even funnier.

You forgot one of the biggies that are being defended, btw. Free trade is the holy grail of libertarianism. They may vary on policy on every other issue, but you will never meet a libertarian that doesn't support free trade with all their heart.

Cha

(297,265 posts)
164. I really don't care what they call me.. all they have are insults. I just consider the
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 04:11 AM
Mar 2014

source and grateful I'm not a greenwaldotbot.

Bodhi BloodWave

(2,346 posts)
166. Thats a good attitude to have
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:02 AM
Mar 2014

I always like to say that people and words only have as much power over me as I let them have.

that line i tend to keep firmly in mind when on forums.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
168. Wouldn't know, never used the term.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 07:28 AM
Mar 2014

Ever.

But I've certainly been called worse by those who get labeled that.

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