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People In Texas Really Don't Want To Leave, While People In Illinois Want To Flee (Original Post) FarCenter May 2014 OP
The desire to remain in Texas sure is not because of our great governor and other Thinkingabout May 2014 #1
I have to admit I don't hate Texas. GOPee May 2014 #9
i moved here from calif. i do not want to live here, but... i admit, lol, it is a good town seabeyond May 2014 #43
I understand completely. GOPee May 2014 #58
lol - I really hate the suburbs here but TBF May 2014 #42
Not a Native Texan MosheFeingold May 2014 #59
I have been around the country, I don't want to live anywhere else hollysmom May 2014 #2
Are you implying the average citizen AnalystInParadise May 2014 #3
The statistical norm in red states is to support candidates and policy that are not compassionate. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #7
I think most of the Texas "compassion" is basically tribal. ananda May 2014 #17
Actually all it means is that the GOP is more successful in getting candidates elected Major Nikon May 2014 #33
that was rude, I know many kind people in red states, I shall edit that. hollysmom May 2014 #10
Thank you hollysmom AnalystInParadise May 2014 #12
OREGON! JaneyVee May 2014 #4
Yep. Bluenorthwest May 2014 #21
Shhhh, we are trying to keep this place a secret. dilby May 2014 #27
the poll was taken June-Dec... Johnyawl May 2014 #5
Yeah, really. I wonder if the 105 degree August heat might change some of the Texas votes... DanTex May 2014 #25
Not a Democrats vs Republicans issue alp227 May 2014 #6
I agree yeoman6987 May 2014 #11
I like Florida too... pipoman May 2014 #44
So true yeoman6987 May 2014 #47
I really can't wait to get the fuck out of Arizona. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #8
Cold in chi town... Low cost of living help Texas uponit7771 May 2014 #13
I'm a tad surprised Florida is average but.... steve2470 May 2014 #14
The last time I drove through Texas, I couldn't get out of there fast enough. B Calm May 2014 #15
Next time you are welcome to just go around snooper2 May 2014 #19
Ahh, hurt feelings! nt Logical May 2014 #41
Next time take I-40. It just goes through the little chimney part on top. Arugula Latte May 2014 #20
wow, fifty percent of Illinois wants to move? hfojvt May 2014 #16
I live in Illinois and I don't want to move. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #31
Well I hope they are happy in their relocation Exposethefrauds May 2014 #18
It's urban versus rural--the big cities in Texas are pretty liberal, and not just Austin. Manifestor_of_Light May 2014 #35
Having been to that state I don't even find the big cities particularly liberal Exposethefrauds May 2014 #37
Obama carried most of the big urban areas in TX. Paladin May 2014 #50
The OP is not about where people want to move to, but where they do or do not want to move away Bluenorthwest May 2014 #53
I'm in Illinois and I'm not looking to leave...although after this last winter I am open... truebrit71 May 2014 #22
Proud Texas Democrat here, past, present and always. Paladin May 2014 #23
According to many here, you're too damn dumb to understand how miserable you are. Throd May 2014 #28
Now, now. Let me revel in my ignorance. Paladin May 2014 #29
To those same many, I find them to be "too damn dumb" kentauros May 2014 #36
I love Texas, but Texas does not return the emotion. Texas is one of the 29 States which allow legal Bluenorthwest May 2014 #54
And despite all that hate, Houston has an out-and-proud lesbian mayor. (nt) Paladin May 2014 #57
The ones I don't understand are Maryland and Connecticut Rocknrule May 2014 #24
Jobs. This isn't a "where's a nice place to live" map; it's a "where are the JOBS" map. nt Romulox May 2014 #26
you'd probably get a different answer in the summer than during the suckiest winter in a long time. unblock May 2014 #30
I'm in Maryland and I don't want to move. nt kelliekat44 May 2014 #39
Jobs and it's expensive to live in CT Lurks Often May 2014 #46
I know of two families and have two other family members who are originally from the Northwest who.. Tikki May 2014 #32
So should we bow down and do what Paul Ryan wants? Kingofalldems May 2014 #34
I relocated from NW OR to NE IL :P MerryBlooms May 2014 #38
I don't know about Texas, but I wonder if Gallup polls the undocumented!? Sancho May 2014 #40
I'm in Montana for the weather sorefeet May 2014 #45
Moved from Tx to Ga, wouldn't go back n2doc May 2014 #48
ABP seabeckind May 2014 #49
The urban left tends to underestimate just how much value people put on Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2014 #51
Nobody spends that much for an apartment where I am from either betterdemsonly May 2014 #56
Excellent News - Stay In TX otohara May 2014 #52
So says a poll that oversamples republicans betterdemsonly May 2014 #55

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
1. The desire to remain in Texas sure is not because of our great governor and other
Thu May 1, 2014, 10:23 PM
May 2014

republican office holders. I love the state.

GOPee

(58 posts)
9. I have to admit I don't hate Texas.
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:07 PM
May 2014

When we were forced to move here, because we were transferred, I thought I wouldn't like it because of all that I heard. But, I really do like the people I've met and the general attitude is considerably happier than the folks in Chicago.

I really miss my friends and family back home but they are happy to come and visit us in the winter.. hahaha I really don't feel the politics here, at least not yet, but it has been 3 years, and we are actually saving for retirement because the prices are a lot better, and the work is steady. Go figure.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
43. i moved here from calif. i do not want to live here, but... i admit, lol, it is a good town
Mon May 5, 2014, 08:27 AM
May 2014

good people. i like how the town was put together. i get a lot of house for the dollar.

it is not a bad place to live.

and i am looking to colorado.

GOPee

(58 posts)
58. I understand completely.
Mon May 5, 2014, 03:04 PM
May 2014

This is crazy, but I almost feel guilty liking Texas, with everything the State stands for in the broader picture, but the overall attitude with the people is great, at least with my personal experience. I think I'll put the politics aside, and I'll take the guilt over the stifling economic conditions, horrible weather, and rapid crime back in Chicago. I'm sorry, but it's true.

TBF

(32,080 posts)
42. lol - I really hate the suburbs here but
Mon May 5, 2014, 08:20 AM
May 2014

we'll likely stay put until the kids graduate. My spouse and I dream of moving back into the city (in this case Houston). Arts, restaurants, sports - I have really grown to like Houston itself. In fact I could probably do well in any coastal city so it really isn't bad. I can do without the politics of course, but I was thrilled when I found out there are a few other rebel communists in this town. I read their blogs regularly and feel less alone



MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
59. Not a Native Texan
Mon May 5, 2014, 03:08 PM
May 2014

But I am here. My cost-of-living is very low and I have a part-time legal job that is very well paid. No income tax.

So great economy, safe, and cheap.

But it is so fricking in-your-face conservative/Republican I want puke.

Even my Rabbi is Republican.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
2. I have been around the country, I don't want to live anywhere else
Thu May 1, 2014, 10:37 PM
May 2014

Last edited Thu May 1, 2014, 11:11 PM - Edit history (1)

the beauty of the cherry blossoms in Newark, the weeping willows in my town park, the calm of the beach in November when I am with my dog. As I age, I can walk to the doctor and dentist. The hospital is a $5 taxi ride away. I have available mass transit for when I stop driving, I have friends of all ages and I am probably going to outlive most of them, but I keep making new ones. I can deal with the politics, I understand and can deal wit our brand of cooks.I know people who have moved away and regret it, but now they can't afford to buy back their houses.

edited to remove poorly worded joke.

I will tell you that some guy in Arizona got mad when I asked him to point his gun away from me when he sat at the next table and put his gun on the table pointing at me. I think accidents can happen. He should have put it in his pants so I would not care if you have an accident there. I didn't say that, but I sure thought it. he yelled at me enough for asking that it not point to me.

Gravitycollapse

(8,155 posts)
7. The statistical norm in red states is to support candidates and policy that are not compassionate.
Thu May 1, 2014, 10:47 PM
May 2014

Last edited Thu May 1, 2014, 11:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Which would lead one to conclude that there is a lower overall level of compassion among the population.

No compassion? Unlikely. Less compassion? Very likely.

ananda

(28,868 posts)
17. I think most of the Texas "compassion" is basically tribal.
Fri May 2, 2014, 06:00 AM
May 2014

That's been my experience anyway. Lots of love, support, and fun for
the tribe; none for the "other."

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
33. Actually all it means is that the GOP is more successful in getting candidates elected
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:43 PM
May 2014

Texas has one of the worst voter turnouts and registration of any state. States with high voter turnout tend to go for Democrats.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
10. that was rude, I know many kind people in red states, I shall edit that.
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:07 PM
May 2014

I think states do have cultures, and even if you like the area, you could come across not fitting in. One person on the east shore of Maryland said it takes about 50 years for someone to be accepted. It is beautiful there, but I don't ave 50 more years.

I guess what I should say is that I am pretty open with what I believe and I think I have only one neighbor has a mutual dislike with me. I think they are selfish pushie people who keep trespassing on my lawn but won't let me on theirs to trim our mutual bush, they want to dig it out, I don't even want to look at them. I have caught them more than once removing my personal property - read large trees and shrubs and plants and putting their fence on my lawn. They think I don't keep a perfect lawn and have too many shrubs. I don't use chemicals and like a natural look. Anyway. I have been told by friends of my friends who live in different states that I would never fit in. Apparently in some places in some red states, they are not very nice if you don't got religion. If I stay in North Jersey, no one cares.

Most states do not have good transportation systems, I think NYC, Chicago and even parts of Atlanta are good, but not a lot of places. Certainly not door to door like my town provides to seniors.
All places have beauty, but not many within walking distance or bus distance, or a very short car ride.

alp227

(32,037 posts)
6. Not a Democrats vs Republicans issue
Thu May 1, 2014, 10:47 PM
May 2014

since "Desire to move" is pretty damn high in a bunch of Southeastern states too, and California has less "desire to move" than Illinois.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
11. I agree
Thu May 1, 2014, 11:54 PM
May 2014

I do love Maryland. However, when I retire....Florida!!!!! For sure. What a great state. So much to do and the weather is great (most of the time).

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
16. wow, fifty percent of Illinois wants to move?
Fri May 2, 2014, 05:32 AM
May 2014

What the heck is keeping them there, then?

But even in Texas, about 1 in 4 wants to leave the state.

Even that seems high to me.

I have lived in
South Carolina
South Dakota
Minnesota
Utah
Wisconsin
Nebraska
Iowa
Missouri
Kansas

In Minnesota the spring weather was awful, the Twin Cities were too big (for my taste) and the people too arrogant (maybe it was just college students). In Iowa the people were sorta provincial. Most of the people had grown up there and were not all that welcoming to outsiders.

But otherwise, they all seemed like decent states. Except South Carolina, where I only lived on a technicality, from the age of 0 to 2.3.

But I love it because it is my home state, even though I understand it is loaded with water moccasins and queen snakes.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
18. Well I hope they are happy in their relocation
Fri May 2, 2014, 06:36 AM
May 2014

Me I have no use for Texas so I could careless if people want to move there or not.

Perhaps enough liberals and progressives will move there and fix the place but I doubt it.

It would be interesting to see all the demographics of the people queried for this poll. I would not be surprised to see that of those that want to go to Texas skew heavily white, fundy, and conservative, Southern Il is very conservative. Typically those who live in a more progressive place do not want to live in a regressive place unless they are unhappy with living in a progressive place because they are a regressive type person.

I have lived in liberal states and regressive states and from my experience those that do not like living in a liberal/progressive place is usually conservative and regressive person. It is only natural to want to live in a place and with people who share your values.




 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
37. Having been to that state I don't even find the big cities particularly liberal
Mon May 5, 2014, 06:59 AM
May 2014

This is based up my personal experience.........Your mileage may very



Paladin

(28,267 posts)
50. Obama carried most of the big urban areas in TX.
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:39 AM
May 2014

Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Austin. Over 3 million votes for Obama in the state in 2012. The national Democratic Party looks like it's going to write off Texas yet again as a lost cause in 2014 (with plenty of support for that stance from the Texas Haters here at DU). That's all right---people moving in from other parts of the country are going to pull the state out of its hyper-red status sooner rather than later.
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
53. The OP is not about where people want to move to, but where they do or do not want to move away
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:58 AM
May 2014

from. There is nothing about 'those who want to go to Texas' just about people who are there and don't care to leave as compared to the number who live in other places and would like to move from them. Where they move to is not part of the question at all.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
22. I'm in Illinois and I'm not looking to leave...although after this last winter I am open...
Fri May 2, 2014, 12:49 PM
May 2014

...to suggestions....

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
36. To those same many, I find them to be "too damn dumb"
Fri May 2, 2014, 05:25 PM
May 2014

to understand this simple concept: It's Home.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
54. I love Texas, but Texas does not return the emotion. Texas is one of the 29 States which allow legal
Mon May 5, 2014, 11:04 AM
May 2014

discrimination in housing and in employment toward LGBT people. Chronic haters? I'd suggest that the folks who maintain laws against others are doing the chronic.

Rocknrule

(5,697 posts)
24. The ones I don't understand are Maryland and Connecticut
Fri May 2, 2014, 01:21 PM
May 2014

Any guesses as to why people there want to move? New England is a nice place.

unblock

(52,276 posts)
30. you'd probably get a different answer in the summer than during the suckiest winter in a long time.
Fri May 2, 2014, 02:11 PM
May 2014

plus connecticut is pretty expensive, particularly fairfield county.

 

Lurks Often

(5,455 posts)
46. Jobs and it's expensive to live in CT
Mon May 5, 2014, 08:51 AM
May 2014

between taxes, gas prices and the price of housing, if you aren't making $40,000 it's hard to live in your own place in a decent neighborhood.

Last time I talked to to a co-worker in TX, housing was about 40% cheaper then CT. For a lot of people in CT or IL moving to TX would be like getting a $5,000-8,000 raise.

Tikki

(14,559 posts)
32. I know of two families and have two other family members who are originally from the Northwest who..
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:27 PM
May 2014

are just biding their time until they can retire from companies that relocated to texas.

Most of these families have kept property in Washington State and will return as soon as they can.

My cousin and his family..one of the families I am mentioning...told me he knows every route between
where he is in texas now and what he calls his home near Seattle. He told me he's driven it enough he could
probably drive it in his sleep.

Tikki

MerryBlooms

(11,770 posts)
38. I relocated from NW OR to NE IL :P
Mon May 5, 2014, 07:18 AM
May 2014

It's nice here and certainly has its own distinct beauty, but I sure miss Oregon. When my husband retires, we'll probably move to a more moderate climate.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
40. I don't know about Texas, but I wonder if Gallup polls the undocumented!?
Mon May 5, 2014, 07:32 AM
May 2014

In 20 years in Florida I've come to realize that the number who immigrated here is likely much greater than I usually see estimated and most are pretty sophisticated in their underground communities.

I work daily with people from Italy, Poland, Brazil, Korea, Argentina, Cuba, and Turkey - and they all came here illegally or on some outdated visa. I think it's a common myth that the undocumented are only boarder crashers from Mexico, but I doubt there's a clear way to know. No one is leaving and they stay in Florida because it's a vast economic system that avoids scrutiny, pays no state income tax, and accepts the fact that no one is leaving. Over the last 10 years, the international population here continues to increase and it's easy to see. Haha..my wife's hairdresser is from Great Britain and openly says she overstayed her visa years ago.

I suspect that in states where undocumented folks are accepted they won't go anywhere, but also don't answer surveys...

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
45. I'm in Montana for the weather
Mon May 5, 2014, 08:50 AM
May 2014

believe it or not. It's the very low humidity. We are slowly turning blue too. I most certainly am not here for the people. Still too many old, set in their way, so called conservative. Or FOX news ignorant. Love their government farm subsidies that their family's have gotten for several generations, so they can continue to pass on the family ranch land that their great great granddaddy homesteaded or bought for 10 cents an acre. But food stamps are a hand out to bums.

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
48. Moved from Tx to Ga, wouldn't go back
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:00 AM
May 2014

But would go to the west coast, or NM, CO or MD in a heartbeat. Guess I'm a contrarian.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
49. ABP
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:25 AM
May 2014

Another bullsh!t poll.

No suggestion as to WHY these people might want to move or stay.

And then to try to draw some conclusion from it? Along lines that aren't even specified?

Extrapolating from an unknown.

 

Sen. Walter Sobchak

(8,692 posts)
51. The urban left tends to underestimate just how much value people put on
Mon May 5, 2014, 10:52 AM
May 2014

not spending most of their income in rent on a 400 square foot apartment.

 

betterdemsonly

(1,967 posts)
55. So says a poll that oversamples republicans
Mon May 5, 2014, 11:09 AM
May 2014

mispredicted the last two elections because of this bias, and was dumped by both USAToday and Cnn as a result of this bias an inaccuracy.

Why make it about Illinois anyway. Illinois is run by right wing CENTRIST dems, so it isn't a model of liberalism.

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