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ashling

(25,771 posts)
Fri May 2, 2014, 04:29 PM May 2014

Alabama’s chief justice: Buddha didn’t create us so First Amendment only protects Christians



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/02/alabamas-chief-justice-buddha-didnt-create-us-so-first-amendment-only-protects-christians/

Speaking at the Pastor for Life Luncheon, which was sponsored by Pro-Life Mississippi, Chief Justice Roy Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court declared that the First Amendment only applies to Christians because “Buddha didn’t create us, Mohammed didn’t create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures” who created us.

“They didn’t bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship,” he continued. “Let’s get real, let’s go back and learn our history. Let’s stop playing games.”

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I seem to be doing that a lot these days
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Alabama’s chief justice: Buddha didn’t create us so First Amendment only protects Christians (Original Post) ashling May 2014 OP
People like him will have life-and-death power over all of us if we let them FiveGoodMen May 2014 #1
He's such an ignorant fool he doesn't even realize the Buddha isn't a God dballance May 2014 #2
Jesus Christ wasn't a "God" either KansDem May 2014 #4
That's an interesting question actually. dballance May 2014 #5
I'm pretty sure he has no idea what's in the First Amendment. TwilightGardener May 2014 #3
FUCK THAT GUY! Rex May 2014 #6
Wow thats so ignorant I don't know where to start. Dozer May 2014 #7
He is a "Con"servative...that's all you need to know...... Swede Atlanta May 2014 #8
 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
2. He's such an ignorant fool he doesn't even realize the Buddha isn't a God
Fri May 2, 2014, 05:20 PM
May 2014

The Buddha is not, never was, a "God" capable of creation. Neither was Mohammad. They were profits.

But I'm sure that line played well in AL where the people there elected him to the justice system from which he was removed. Removed because he refused to follow the US Constitution and SCOTUS decisions. IDIOT, and every person who voted for him is an IDIOT and every person who didn't get off their asses and vote for a different candidate to prevent his becoming a "justice" is just as big an IDIOT too.

 

dballance

(5,756 posts)
5. That's an interesting question actually.
Fri May 2, 2014, 05:55 PM
May 2014

I learned in Southern Baptist Church that Jesus was the Son of God. The whole trinity thing is confusing though. Holy Trinity is "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost (Spirit).

Jesus is portrayed as divine in Christian tradition in a way that neither The Buddha or Mohammed are portrayed in their traditions.

Of course, there is debate about all of this and I do not pretend to be any sort of authority on the subject. My only intention was to point out that Moore is ignorant of the basic facts of other religions.

Muslims believe in the Old Testament stories but, as I understand it, believe errors have crept into them over the centuries. That's a much more rational point of view than the evangelicals'. So they never said Mohammad was our creator and to use that in his argument is fallacious. Rather poor for and attorney and state supreme court justice. However, it's clear to me Moore doesn't really give a flip about facts.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
6. FUCK THAT GUY!
Fri May 2, 2014, 05:59 PM
May 2014

Like he knows anything about history! I guess he knows NOTHING about the Founders. Pathetic that someone in his place, would be so mindbogglingly stupid AND a moran to boot!

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
8. He is a "Con"servative...that's all you need to know......
Fri May 2, 2014, 06:30 PM
May 2014

The majority of the Founding Fathers were not Christians in any tradition Mr. Moore would recognize. They were Deists....

Deism is generally described as "Deism (Listeni/ˈdiː.ɪzəm/[1][2] or /ˈdeɪ.ɪzəm/) is the belief that reason and observation of the natural world are sufficient to determine the existence of a Creator, accompanied with the rejection of revelation and authority as a source of religious knowledge.[3][4][5][6][7] Deism gained prominence in the 17th and 18th centuries during the Age of Enlightenment—especially in Britain, France, Germany, and the United States—among intellectuals raised as Christians who believed in one god, but found fault with organized religion and did not believe in supernatural events such as miracles, the inerrancy of scriptures, or the Trinity.[8]" (taken from Wikipedia which is not an original source but good enough for our purposes)

U.S. Declaration of Independence (excerpts)

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

(end excerpts)

Note the use of Laws of Nature and Nature's God and the word Creator. Nowhere is there any reference to God, Christ, Jesus or anything similar. The Founding Fathers who prevailed in the creation of these momentous documents were not Christians in the mold of Mr. Moore or his ilk.

The Preamble to the Constitution.....
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[note 1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

I see no reference to God, Jesus, the Christ or anything here.

Mr. Moore has created a fantasy world in which the Founding Fathers were fundamentalist Southern Baptists. They weren't. We know that these were learned men, men of the Enlightenment, who were committed to the laws of Nature. They did not reject the notion of a Supreme Being, a Creator, but in no public document did they ever refer to "God", Jesus, the Christ, etc.

So if there is someone who is kidding himself it is Mr. Moore.

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