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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat ought to be the response every time Republicans bring up Benghazi....
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)The towers may be sacred ground, but the Pentagon was wrecked as well, and the GOP reveres the military.
robbob
(3,538 posts)I think is closer to the truth.
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JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)And they allowed 911 to happen to drag us into war and the Patriot Act. It's interesting that the taped conversations between the cockpit and air traffic control were destroyed immediately. As I pilot I know Boeing was flying 747s remotely to do crash tests as early as 1998. Also, it's curious that the hundreds of video cameras that caught the Pentagon being hit were seized and we aren't allowed to see them.
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban émigrés, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662&page=1
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)But the Coincidence Theorists and Disinfo Agents just cover their ears and yell nanananananananana. Fools, lemmings and ostriches are the loudest lately.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,445 posts)Not to even mention Iraq dare I say it.
This whole "conspiracy" seems to rest on whether the Administration wanted to "butter its bread" politically when it comes to the attack or if they were genuinely confused about what just happened (as is usually the case with things like this). Either way, it's impossible for me to see just how this is a topic that merits all of the time and attention that Republicans are giving it. But then of course, Republicans don't really have anything else to do, so.................
aquart
(69,014 posts)Benghazi? YES! We need more hearings! We need a thorough investigation of the deadly failure of privatized security! And not just Benghazi! Snowden! The Navy Yard shootings! All privatized security catastrophes!
Last line usually shouted as rightwinger is fleeing down the block.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)Very Good.
calimary
(81,521 posts)GREAT job, napkinz! I salute you!!
heaven05
(18,124 posts)secondvariety
(1,245 posts)StarryNite
(9,460 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)Their biggest rebuttal is Bush was a long time ago, Obama murdered 4 americans and covered it up (which, yes, I have heard more than a few times).
It has been insane on there but fun tormenting them and letting them know we don't all think like they do. People generally just call me an asshole or libtard.
AngryDem001
(684 posts)and ad hominem attacks when anyone dares call them out on their BS.
Or simply tells the truth.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)I am just rolling and keep tweeting.
I did have a nice long twitter back and forth with one lady on it all. Very civil. But over all people call me names, to which I usually reply:
"Very emotional argument you have. You must be a conservative christian" Which flusters them some
Ah, their sweet sweet tears are so tasty. It is like vodka from the soul.
AngryDem001
(684 posts)Geez. The stupid. It burns so so SO MUCH!!!
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)into a so called war. thousands died on both sides. There are no statute of limitations on murder
allan01
(1,950 posts)wasting monies we dont have to distarcat ,distort and lie . thanks for the post
jmowreader
(50,566 posts)Blue Owl
(50,523 posts)n/t
Moosepoop
(1,922 posts)genxlib
(5,542 posts)It is a shame that a brave American was killed while serving in a war torn country and a lying administration told all kinds of stories about what really happened to cover their ass.
But then again. I am talking about Pat Tillman.
Such selective outrage.
calimary
(81,521 posts)Glad you're here! This thread and the one by DUer napkinz are both worth keeping!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024902613
Gemini Cat
(2,820 posts)Correct about the selective outrage. That's all they have.
Gman
(24,780 posts)jaxind
(1,074 posts)It drives me absolutely crazy that the Democrats don't say this each and every time the Republicans bring up Benghazi. And, for the Rethugs to say "oh, that happened a long time ago," fine....but I just want to hear you say now just once that Bush fell asleep at the wheel! If they can come out and just say that once, then maybe I won't be so riled up every time they bring this up!
calimary
(81,521 posts)the many GOP votes for the sequester that caused 70-some-odd million dollars in embassy security funding to be cut, OR the countless times Hillary Clinton and others appealed to Congress to appropriate more funding for embassy security. NOBODY mentioned that. WTF??? Does our side know that little about going on offense? Or even just about fighting, in general?
nikto
(3,284 posts)To be humiliated and laughed at on a constant, nationwide basis from now on.
Now, go out there and do your duty.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)PeoViejo
(2,178 posts)Pyrzqxgl
(1,356 posts)Pauldg47
(640 posts)... "and how many Americans died in the Pentagon?"
Nuh Uh
(47 posts)Even Fox News reported on it: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/03/29/gitmo-detainees-return-terror/
I'm really disappointed Democrats haven't called them out before about this. If Condoleeza Rice and George Bush released terrorists from Gitmo in 2007, so they could go back to Libya to be terrorists and murder 4 Americans, is the real scandal and we should be screaming from the rooftops about it.
The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)The real issues here are that those wanting to investigate Benghazi don't care about the people killed or what really happened. They don't. Period.
After 9/11/2001 bush and crew thwarted investigations, wouldn't release papers relevant to it, he later said Osama wasn't a priority, told 232 lies in run up to Iraq war (935 overall when you factor in his administration), and witnesses were intimidated.
But fox news and others didn't care. Because they don't care about the truth, just using dead people for politics. They lap up dead americans and parade them around when their leader isn't in power.
Bush sr gave the go ahead for Iraq to invade Kuwait. We know that now. These same people who say they just want to the truth and the "families of those who died deserve it" suddenly don't give a shit about those families.
Because they just care about manipulating their base, who pant like dogs for them and are cowards when it comes to really getting answers. They don't care when people die unless they can use their corpses for ratings and politics.
calimary
(81,521 posts)Good to have you with us! It just boggles the mind. I don't know what bugs me more - the ongoing Benghazi GOP Tourette's Syndrome, or the fact that we haven't heard even one major Dem hit back hard about it, or even hit back - at all.
renate
(13,776 posts)P.S. I love your user name!
handmade34
(22,758 posts)Ryan, Issa and other House Republicans voted for an amendment in 2009 to cut $1.2 billion from State operations, including funds for 300 more diplomatic security positions. Under Ryans budget, non-defense discretionary spending, which includes State Department funding, would be slashed nearly 20 percent in 2014, which would translate to more than $400 million in additional cuts to embassy security.
That's the problem with budget cutting: it sounds great when you're thumping tubs on the campaign trail in front of adoring tea party crowds, but when the actual work of governing comes up, those cuts have to come from actual programs that do actual things. Like protecting our embassies.
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)zinnisking
(405 posts)TBF
(32,106 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)1. Jan. 22, 2002: Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami Attacks Indian U.S. Consulate
Five policemen were killed and 16 injured in the eastern Indian city of Calcutta because of an attack on the U.S. consulate by militant group Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami. American employees including the consul-general in Calcutta, Christopher Sandrolini, were unscathed, and those injured and killed were all Indians.
2. June 14, 2002: Suicide Car-Bomb Outside U.S. Consulate in Karachi
Twelve people died in an attack outside the U.S. consulate in Karachi when militants exploded a car bomb. A Taliban splinter group referred to as Al-Qanoon, or "The Law," claimed responsibility for the attacks that also injured 51 people. Two hired guards, a Marine, and five Pakistani staff members were among the injured in the attack that followed then Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld's visit to the country.
3. Oct. 12, 2002: String Of Bali Bombings Included U.S. Consulate
The U.S. consulate in Indonesia was attacked as part of the 'Bali bombings' on a devastating October night. While there were no fatalities at the consulate, seven Americans were among the 202 dead at the coordinated blasts inside a bar and outside a nightclub.
4. Feb. 28, 2003: Consulate in Karachi, Pakistan, Attacked For the Second Time in One Year
Gunmen rode up on a motorbike to the U.S. consulate's security checkpoints and rained gunfire killing two Pakistani police officers. One gunman arrested by paramilitary officers was found to have several rounds of ammunition prepared for what could have been a far more devastating attack.
5. May 12, 2003: 36 People Including 9 Americans Die After Terrorists Storm U.S. Compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
The State Department had warned of a potential strike against the Saudi days before gunmen infiltrated the Al Hamra Oasis Village and two others killing 36 people and wounding 160. This was the most devastating attack on a State Department employees to occur under Bush. The Saudi government cracked down on terrorists group but that did not prevent another attack to occur a year later in Jeddah.
6. July 30, 2004: Islamist Attacks U.S. Embassy in Tashkent, Uzbekistan
Two Uzbek security guards died in a bombing on the U.S. embassy in Tashkent days. Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan claimed responsibility of the bombing after 15 alleged Islamist militants went on trial.
7. Dec. 6, 2004: Five Staff and Four Security Guards Die in U.S. consulate attack in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia
Gunmen fought their way into the complex, reportedly taking 18 staff and visa applicants hostage for a short time before Saudi security forces stormed the building. The final dead counted four security guards, five staff, and three attackers. No Americans were among the dead.
8. March 2, 2006: Third Attack on Karachi U.S. Consulate Killed U.S. Diplomat
U.S. Diplomat David Foy was specifically targeted in the third attack in as many years on the Karachi consulate compound. He was one of four people killed. The bomb occurred two days before President Bush was to visit Pakistan and also targeted the Marriot hotel in an upscale neighborhood of Karachi.
This was a planned and coordinated attack that nobody covered as more than a news item.
9. Sept. 12, 2006: Four Gunmen Stormed the U.S. compound in Damascus, Syria
Gunmen yelling "Allahu akbar " - "God is great" - fired on Syrian security officers guarding the U.S. embassy. The gunmen used grenades, automatic weapons, car bombs, and a truck bomb and killed four people and wounded 13 others. Condoleezza Rice, then Secretary of State praised the Syrians that defended the U.S. employees: "the Syrians reacted to this attack in a way that helped to secure our people, and we very much appreciate that."
10. Jan. 12, 2007: Greek Terrorists Fired a Rocket-Propelled Grenade at the U.S. Embassy
An antitank grenade was fired into the empty consulate building by leftist terrorist group Revolutionary Struggle angry at American foreign policy. Even though nobody was in the building at the time the attack was a blatant breach of security and showed enormous security loopholes.
11. March 18, 2008: A Mortar is Fired at the U.S. Embassy in Sanaa, Yemen
Similar to the Greek attack, a mortar was fired at the U.S. embassy building killing 19 people and injuring 16. This was the second attempt at a similar mortar attack on the embassy. The first one missed the embassy and hit a girls' school next door.
12. July 9, 2008: Three Turkish Policemen were Killed When Gunman Fired on the U.S. Consulate Istanbul, Turkey
Four attackers drove up to the high-walled compound of the U.S. Consulate and started shooting the security guards. The gun battle took the lives of three of the attackers but the fourth one drove off. No Americans were injured or killed.
13. Sept. 17, 2008: 16 People Including 2 Americans Die in an Orchestrated Attack on the U.S. Embassy Sanaa, Yemen
An arsenal of weapons including rocket-propelled grenades and two car bombs were involved in the second attack on the embassy in seven months. Eighteen-year-old American Susan El-Baneh and her husband of three weeks died holding hands.
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I like #8 because its could be catchy like Benghazi......KARACHI!......KARACHI!...KARACHI! MSNBC should be shouting this word out every day. Even if its just a way to make a point.
Honestly, there isn't even a carcase left of the dead horse they are beating.
eridani
(51,907 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)that those were terrorist attacks no doubt, but Bush and Condi never blamed them on a youtube video that mocked Islam...
That in a nutshell is their key complaint, i.e., that for political reasons that attack happening so close to a U.S. election a coordinated White House/State Dept effort was undertaken to blame a video instead of taking responsibility for a broader failure of U.S. policy in the region.... i.e. Why was Ambassador Stevens even there on 9/11 and shortly after the country had executed its former leader?
I have been going at it with the teaheads at my job regarding this and I was told today to sit down and shut the PLAME up....
LOL...
Politics is a lovely sport.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)As it seemed at the time completely plausible that that video, at least in part, was responsible. If nothing else it was used as a cover for the killers to piggy-back off of the angry crowds.
The OP makes a good point. Terrorist attacks will happen no matter what security steps are taken. What matters is what is the response to it after. The House Republicans cut embassy security by $500,000,000 in the years before. Why isn't THAT an important part of the discussion?
humbled_opinion
(4,423 posts)is extremely important but the right will argue that it is either those cuts or cut WIC, SNAP, WELFARE, Social Security, Medicare and Obamacare. The country must be educated before its too late, there is a 17 Trillion dollar and growing National Debt still large deficits in spending and if the Fed ever stops pumping money the interest rates on that existing debt are going to skyrocket... I fear that when that happens the rich will bail out of America and the rest of us will get stuck with the bill taking a huge cut in our own standard of living....
If you dare talk about cutting the military you will now be accused of supporting Russian world domination.....
lsewpershad
(2,620 posts)Go "Benghazi" yourself.
pnwmom
(109,000 posts)jonjensen
(168 posts)democrats control senate how about some hard hitting hearings on iraq katrina and 9-11? The best defense is a good offense! Drag in republicans to investigate their voter suppression in their states!
Blue Owl
(50,523 posts)n/t
mnhtnbb
(31,407 posts)Lydia Leftcoast
(48,217 posts)241 Marines killed on October 23, 1983.
I never thought it was coincidental that Reagan ordered the invasion of Grenada on October 25, 1983, just as he was under criticism for putting the Marines in harm's way in a civil war that was none of our business.
spanone
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