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malaise

(269,172 posts)
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:21 PM May 2014

The real V.A. Scandal

is how Bushco had those troops on so many tours for their illegal war in Iraq and did not do one fugging thing in eight years to prepare for the treatment needed today. Ask Rumsfeld about the low level gear and equipment provided for those troops.

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The real V.A. Scandal (Original Post) malaise May 2014 OP
This is just my opinion! atreides1 May 2014 #1
That's what happens when you fight wars off the budget malaise May 2014 #2
That needs to go viral. It is so true. loudsue May 2014 #3
We are all dispensable to the 1% malaise May 2014 #4
The sorry truth is I don't really care. Savannahmann May 2014 #5
Interesting take but remember malaise May 2014 #6
I don't agree with you completely, but... Blanks May 2014 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #8
I think you are in the wrong place handmade34 May 2014 #9

atreides1

(16,093 posts)
1. This is just my opinion!
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:29 PM
May 2014

My belief is that troops were sent without proper equipment in the hopes that more would have returned in bags. It would have been better economically...one time lump sum payment of SGLI and no worries about providing VA benefits!

malaise

(269,172 posts)
2. That's what happens when you fight wars off the budget
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:37 PM
May 2014

and demonstrate that you don't give a flying fugg about the military personnel.

loudsue

(14,087 posts)
3. That needs to go viral. It is so true.
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:51 PM
May 2014

Republicans all wish that they had all been killed instead of wounded. It might save them a penny or two in their taxes.

 

Savannahmann

(3,891 posts)
5. The sorry truth is I don't really care.
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:57 PM
May 2014

This is the first time I've posted a reply to one of the many VA and damn our vets are awesome threads. The reason is I am not one of those who think that our troops are awesome. I think our troops are psychopaths and bloodthirsty sadists.

Those troops who were already in when 9-11 happened I can offer some sympathy for. However, those who enlisted after that time, not so much. Especially those who enlisted after 2005. They knew the war was illegal, everyone did, and they joined anyway. We can talk about the poor economic opportunities that existed. We can talk about the pathetic job market. We can talk about those who had delusions of a college fund. What we can't do is ignore that by 2005, everyone knew that Bush Co. was a liar and that all the excuses were at best lame. That was nearly a decade ago now.

Anyone who joined since 2005 hasn't joined to protect the nation, we needed no protection from Iraq. They aren't defending the weak and doing the right thing. Talk to them, not family members, the troops you see downtown. They'll talk if you're willing to listen. Listen to the stories of the atrocities, listen to the stories of the lies, and then ask them why they are still in. They never have a good reason, the reason you're left with is simple. They wanted to go out and kill bad people. They forgot that bad people if that's what they are, can kill you too.

I've mentioned the atrocities above. Every single veteran I've talked to, and that is well over two hundred here outside of Fort Stewart, has been willing to talk about at least one atrocity or war crime with minimal prompting. I tell them that a friend who was in felt bad about X, and I can only imagine how they felt. They admit that something like X happens, but you do what you have to.

In case you're wondering, X is planting weapons on people to make sure they look like combatants when the officers show up. Apparently it's easier to lie about the situation than defend yourself against murder charges.

Yes, everyone knows it's going on, and nobody cares, and nobody does a damned thing about it. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/14/1223499/-Prince-Harry-witnessed-a-war-crime-in-Afghanistan#

The investigation of Soldiers and war crimes is even more a paperwork effort than the investigation of police brutality.

So I honestly am not all that concerned that the Veterans are getting benefits similar to the kind of help that the survivors of their rampage got. Nobody cared about the Afghan Civilians, and nobody cared about those wounded and maimed in Iraq. Nobody shows up to give the children who are maimed physical therapy. We lie to pretend that nothing of the sort happened. Well the atrocities happened. They are still happening, and I'm not the least bit upset that those who performed the atrocities are now ignored by the same Government that ignores the atrocities in the first place. Perhaps if all the psychopaths who wanted to join up and do these kinds of things are maimed, the world will be a better place.

malaise

(269,172 posts)
6. Interesting take but remember
Thu May 8, 2014, 03:17 PM
May 2014

more than a few youngsters were 'virtually' forced to sign up and further some folks are very gullible.
One of my nephews signed up before 9/11 and thankfully he got out in 2005.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
7. I don't agree with you completely, but...
Thu May 8, 2014, 04:17 PM
May 2014

I commend you for speaking your mind about it. I think too often (in our society) there are certain things that - somehow - become sacred and only EVIL people will speak against them.

Veterans seem to be among that group. I'm an army veteran (1979-1983) and I didn't do anything 'service-wise' that our country couldn't have benefitted from - if I'd been just a regular old federal government employee (I built shipping crates in a carpenter shop in Furth Germany).

I joined because there were no opportunities in my little logging community - hardly deserving of worship or even special treatment. It seems to me that a lot of the appreciation I see for veterans comes from folks who didn't want to leave home, but want to feel like they're a good 'murcan because they appreciate the sacrifice of the troops.

That's just my cynical opinion. When healthy people my age are thanking the troops for their service - when they did not serve themselves - they just annoy me.

Of course, I can be kind of a dick.

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