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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSuppose Rachael Maddow or Moyers or other left hero had done what Greenwald and Snowden did?
Would they be tossed under the bus for embarrassing the administration? Would they be tarred and feathered and discredited?
Just wondering.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Would everybody carry umbrellas then?
Just wondering.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Or tweeted something rather insane about 200+ kidnapped girls and efforts that might be undertaken to save them?
Which thing that one or both "did" are we talking about?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Spazito
(50,349 posts)remember his "Obama could rape a nun" racist commentary? I do.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Spazito
(50,349 posts)That is the difference in why Ms. Maddow has earned the respect she has and why Greenwald has earned the contempt with which he is treated.
Your OP raises the comparison.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... are you referring to?
If Maddow or Moyers did the same THING as Greenwald and Snowden ... which SPECIFIC THING????
Lacking that, your question is meaningless.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)with the cacophony of a thousand howler monkeys.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I think you need to look up the word cacophony. I'm sure you think it's an impressive word to use but it would be more impressive if you used it correctly.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)it's your reading comprehension that's at issue. I simply remarked that they would be tossed under the bus instantly upon dissing the president, amid the cacophonous din of angry howlers. What that has to do with the position of my post in the thread is a mystery.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)so good at reading the future, could you share the mega millions numbers with me? You used it wrong and much too early.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)not what would happen in this thread. You seem a bit confused...
VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I think both would agree that the US engages in legitimate foreign intelligence gathering and wouldn't put that in the same bucket as domestic data gathering.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)and acted on that?
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)pnwmom
(108,978 posts)Daniel Ellsburg, for example, who has supported Snowden, was much more selective about what he leaked.
randome
(34,845 posts)They would not have stolen everything they could get their hands on then flee the country. They would not have made outrageous claims about PRISM downloading the Internet on a daily basis. They would not have strategically released stories to cause Obama maximum diplomatic trouble on his international travels.
'Embarrassing' the administration? You can't embarrass someone like Obama. He has something that neither Greenwald nor Snowden possess: confidence.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]
JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Moyers maybe.
Anyway, the answer to your question, insofar as you mean how the usual swarm of "D" party-line talking-points dispensers would respond, is an obvious yes.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)we heard a lot about how he was a hack and passed his prime and the mantle had passed to Colbert etc
840high
(17,196 posts)IAMWE
(9 posts)That's why I avoid all discussion with that type.
Know-it-alls, of any stripe, SUCK!
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Party over country has infected the US. It is about loyalty to team blue or team red.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_Greenwald
Sure they would. The authoritarians and the professional bed-wetters wouldn't have it any other way.
uponit7771
(90,345 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)Just to jog everyone's memory, this was her response to the situation involving Laura Poitras, Glenn Greenwald, and Greenwald's partner David Miranda, and the seizure of Miranda's laptop by British authorities.
http://video.msnbc.msn.com/rachel-maddow/52797608#52797608
I definitely recall some voices here implying she was a right-wing tool, didn't know what the fuck she was talking about, etc., in the wake of these comments.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)'cuz if you don't like the TSA and everything it does you're a terrible Dem
UTUSN
(70,700 posts)1) terms of employment.
2) procedures for lodging whistleblowing.
3) methods of "mental reservations" in taking oaths of service. Instead of exhausting the whistleblowing, then quitting the job and going in front of the media and pursuing maximum publicity THAT way.
4) basic levels of self-sacrificing idealism instead of personality-grandstanding.
5) not to mention, giving info to friendly/unfriendly countries. And absconding. And profiteering, both materially and egoistically.
Short answer: MADDOW/MOYERS would NOT have done what SNOWDEN-GREENWALD did, not THAT way.
Haha, when *I* just said, "it's NOT ABOUT..." I sound like the SNOW-WALD-ites who constantly say, "It's NOT ABOUT (them personally)."
And now: Let the lambasting proceed!1
ProSense
(116,464 posts)"Suppose Rachael Maddow or Moyers or other left hero had done what Greenwald and Snowden did?"
...this:
"Snowden ought to be embarrassed for helping to catapult it into the dialogue"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024833461
...would have been embarrassing regardless.