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snooper2

(30,151 posts)
3. I take it you didn't watch the video
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:05 PM
May 2014

it's okay, the folks at ITER know what they are doing and probably don't need any external "moral support"

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
4. In six years we find out if it's going to work or not.
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:19 PM
May 2014

That's not the same as being six years away from having fusion power.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
9. well the science is pretty strong here, it's not like 34 countries are contributing just for fun
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:38 PM
May 2014

Xipe Totec

(43,890 posts)
13. Science is all about trial and error
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:26 PM
May 2014

This is engineering, of course, not science. So that makes it more likely to succeed.

But the opera ain't over till the fat Tokamak sings.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
2. Sure. And nuclear missiles can be stopped once launched.
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:05 PM
May 2014

We're gonna build a huge big space shield, with laser beams and everything, see, and it'll work every time probably and have the U.S. taxpayers for it for sure.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
12. Not exactly.
Wed May 14, 2014, 02:40 PM
May 2014

They figured out how to do that. What's more, they accounted for every penny spent and shared with the world the results of the investment by the US taxpayer.

Star Wars, not so much.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
7. Then I will wave a flag and say "yay" in six years
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:37 PM
May 2014

If this can overcome the difficulties past attempts have had, great!

But to borrow from Yogi Berra, it ain't successful until it's successful.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
11. ITER is a very expensive but short lived demonstration. There's still a long way to go.
Wed May 14, 2014, 12:59 PM
May 2014

ITER's own designers concede that it won't last long. The reactor works by initiating fusion to create helium and free neutrons. The massively energetic free neutrons escape the magnetic fields and slam into the outer wall, creating heat. We capture the heat and convert it into electricity.

The problem is that the massive neutron bombardment and thermal conversion is hugely destructive to the outer wall. It's so destructive, in fact, that the entire reactor is only designed to produce power for five minutes.

The purpose of ITER is to demonstrate that it is actually possible to generate substantially more power than you put into the machine. That, they hope, will generate enough interest to secure the funding needed to solve the rest of the problems.

The current plant for ITER, btw, is that they'll actually be doing the full fusion runs in 2027. Because the full fusion reaction will destroy the machine, they will be doing various plasma and load experiments on it for many years before they reach that stage.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
14. Don't hold your breath
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:44 PM
May 2014

I agree that the technology should be developed, it is just not clear yet that it is possible.

The theory is sound, but there is no guarantee that a net energy gain can be achieved. Or if it is achieved it may not be enough to make it economically feasible.


Someone new makes these claims every decade or so. Every time it is more promising than the last, and maybe someday we will get there. It is even possible that this demonstration might be the one to show that it is possible. Even so, don't hold your breath.

Solar and wind are proven technologies. This isn't.

dembotoz

(16,805 posts)
16. and it will power my flying car and if the gop wins in 2016 we will switch back to coal
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:52 PM
May 2014

the last part is accurate

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